Do you expect to see an end to capitalism in your lifetime?

[RNL]

Think of this as a barometer of optimism.

I guess we should specify our ages to put it in context.

I'm 26, and I really doubt I'll see capitalism out.

[LevDavidovichBronstein]

Want, yes.
Expect? No.

But things normally don't go the way you expect ;)

[NoOneIsIllegal]

Revolution isn't planned, it breaks out.
I don't see it happening soon, but that doesn't mean jackshit, people in a certain area can rise any day (new laws and problems arise all the time). Revolution is when the uprisings are taken in a new direction (sup vanguard?) and pursued to the fullest extent. I think the problem as of lately is that serious issues are sometimes not pursued, they're allowed to cool down or hijacked.

[RNL]

It's true a lot can happen in 50 years. On the days I'm feeling optimistic I'd bump my vote up to "probably not".

[Sun at Eight]

I think I'll see revolutions led by anti-capitalists that at least succeed for a time in attempting to establish new relations of production, but I don't think an end to capitalism will come in my lifetime (I'm also 26 and basing this on my family likelihood of living another 60 years, give or take). Then again, given the ecological crisis, will we have time for twice that or even centuries of struggle, as some have suggested?

My main optimism is built around the fact that material conditions will always give rise to the dream of communism, or more generally, levelling and turning the world upside down, even with the defeat of anti-capitalists and the massive suppression or loss of anti-capitalist thought and history. Again, though, what sort of world will we be fighting for?

[Dr Mindbender]

I voted almost certainly not. On days that i'm feeling extra pessimistic, i'd probably say we're heading towards fascism.

[Red And Black Sabot]

I want to vote yes but I voted "probably." I don't think Capitalism can manage the constant crisis it creates and compared to just a few years ago, the momentum of resistance seems to have been picking up as of late. Also, if something in the way we relate to this planet doesn't change radically and soon, not only will there not be any more capitalism, there might not be any more people. This sense of desperate urgency is unique to our generation's revolutionaries.
Then again... we could end up under some tightly controlled, policed, and rationed green fascism.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Almost certainly not.

More because of the wording. We may win victories against Capitalism and I have a feeling that revolution will infiltrate Europe some time in the next 2-3 decades, in places like Italy, Spain, Portugal. But I don't think Capitalism will 'end' in its entirety just yet.

[bcbm]

nah, or if i do it will only be because society collapses and we return to some sort of neo-feudal arrangement.

but then again shit happens quick, who knows

[Delenda Carthago]

I am looking forward more for the end of Young&Restless. Seriously, what the fuck's up with this shit?

[Psy]

I think so as 3% compounded growth is improbable looking 50 years into the future (capitalists currently are struggling just to prevent GDP from shrinking) thus odds are capitalism is heading for a dark age that would make the Great Depression look like a minor market correction. Not that capitalism will just go away, I just see a point were the working class tells the capitalists they refuse any further roll back in living standards that will cause class war.

[RedSonRising]

Not as a whole, but to see it's structures reduced and opposed successfully in significant territories.

[Nikolay]

I am looking forward more for the end of Young&Restless. Seriously, what the fuck's up with this shit?

I actually like that show. :P


Answer to OP/Poll:

No, I don't see capitalism collapsing in my lifetime, but possibly in my children's lifetime.

[a rebel]

I dunno its a tough question. I just hope if there ever is a revolution it comes when I'm still able bodied.

[Dr Mindbender]

I dunno its a tough question. I just hope if there ever is a revolution it comes when I'm still able bodied.

able bodied? I think you should be thankful if you're still above ground.

[agnixie]

Between the capitalists and the liquidators, it would be a surprise if it even gets so much as a 70 years "socialist" interregnum.

[Dr Mindbender]

Threads like this are silly. We might be extinct in 50 years or we might be round up into cattle wagons and brought to gas chambers.

Stop worrying about the future and concentrate on the present. Identify and act on opportunities to make the world a better place.

[RadioRaheem84]

capitalism ended in the late 70s when the Western capitalist engines went bust, the rest of the decades have been representative of vultures eating away at a carcass.

what we are seeing now is naked imperialism, a rapid transfer of wealth from bottom to top, and the full devouring of the welfare state.

the difference between capitalism in the global center and the periphary will end in my lifetime.

[RichardAWilson]

Global Warming, Wars, Malnutrition, Resource Depletion and Macroeconomic Instabilities and Financial Crises will culminate in the reemergence of so-called radical politics.

[Dr Mindbender]

Global Warming, Wars, Malnutrition, Resource Depletion and Macroeconomic Instabilities and Financial Crises will culminate in the reemergence of so-called radical politics.

The worry is what side of the political spectrum this re-emergence occurs on.

[RNL]

Global Warming, Wars, Malnutrition, Resource Depletion and Macroeconomic Instabilities and Financial Crises will culminate in the reemergence of so-called radical politics.
Yeah, that's a certainty, but I'm inclined to expect fascism before socialism.

[Rainsborough]

Yeah, that's a certainty, but I'm inclined to expect fascism before socialism.

I'd shoot myself if I were you, save the fascist bogey-men a job.:bored:

[RNL]

Er, thanks for that...

Pardon my pessimism.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I put yes almost certainly. Not really based on any facts just purely optimistic. I'm young, I've got a lot of time left hopefully, and I like to think we could accomplish great things in my lifetime. It's what keeps me getting out of bed everyday.

[tbasherizer]

I put no, almost certainly not. There are just so many complicating factors in the world today that would get in the way of world socialism, and only further development of the means of production can iron them out. Nuclear Fusion and quantum computing will probably push the cyber-revolution (to use trendy market-speak) into overdrive and universalize its benefits.

I like the optimism of some those who voted yes, though. We need to empower the working class and smash the fascists when they stick their slimy heads out. Even though capitalism as a whole may not get destroyed in my lifetime, I'd love to help push it on its merry way with our optimistic comrades' help, and who knows; I could be wrong in my cynicism.

[Summerspeaker]

Assuming the rather unlikely scenario that I live the typical eighty or so years, I expect significant economic transformation because of technological change but probably not the complete collapse of capitalism. It should be exciting and perhaps horrifying to watch how the bosses incorporate improving methods of small-scale production. I have a feeling I'll either die young as so many revolutionaries and queers do or stumble into rejuvenation therapy.

[jake williams]

Partial? Almost certainly.

Total? Almost certainly not.

We see major disruptions in capitalist relations every decade or so, at least. With capitalism expanding and class struggle sharpening, this will only continue. But the world is big and complex, and capitalism is very durable. The total abolition of capitalism will take some time.

[piet11111]

I am 26 and voted probably but that is based on my assumption that capitalism will make life so unbearable that the system will have to change to such an extent that it can no longer be considered capitalism.
This could be for the better but i would expect things to get worse.

[Ocean Seal]

I think that I'll at least be able to make it to the heat of the battle between capital and labor in my lifetime.

[Psy]

Partial? Almost certainly.

Total? Almost certainly not.

We see major disruptions in capitalist relations every decade or so, at least. With capitalism expanding and class struggle sharpening, this will only continue. But the world is big and complex, and capitalism is very durable. The total abolition of capitalism will take some time.
Not really once it become a world wide revolutionary war capitalism will be snuffed out as faster then feudalism was snuffed. Basically the world revolution would reach a point of critical mass the momentum of the revolution would result in capitalist institutions dropping like flies, so at the peak of a world revolution you could easily have whole major imperialist powers snuffed out as you were asleep as it only took hours for revolutionary armies to crush them with their billions of troops.

[Imposter Marxist]

Fuck yes.

[RadioRaheem84]

For some reason, I see it falling too but that doesn't mean that we will see socialism which is the far more important question here. I could see fascism (capitalism's last resort) over socialism in the near future first.

[Psy]

For some reason, I see it falling too but that doesn't mean that we will see socialism which is the far more important question here. I could see fascism (capitalism's last resort) over socialism in the near future first.
It is too early to tell as fascism is a result of the failure of a workers revolution.

[Summerspeaker]

Automation could conceivably make the proletariat obsolete within a few decades. I can imagine a society of elites who retain social and political domination while they keep the rest of us mollified and docile by distributing in welfare-state fashion a fraction of the wealth their machines produce. It's a bleak future but perhaps superior to what we currently live under.

[RadioRaheem84]

It is too early to tell as fascism is a result of the failure of a workers revolution.


You're right and I was going to add; "that's if the workers do not stop the insane decline first".

Would've saved you the post, comrade. :D

[RNL]

Fascism wouldn't be an end to capitalism though, it'd just be an end to liberal-democratic governments in the interests of capitalism.

[RadioRaheem84]

Fascism would just be an end to the liberal pretenses about the capitalist social order.

[Octavian]

15,482-Days to the end of oil
42 Years
Yeah, more than likely I will see the end.
Source: http://www.worldometers.info/

[RNL]

Cool website, I hadn't seen that before.

What's the annual rate of increase in our oil consumption, do you know? Cause that 42 years figure assumes no increase on current rates of consumption.

[Stand Your Ground]

I'm 21, and I would hope so but probly not.

[Psy]

Fascism would just be an end to the liberal pretenses about the capitalist social order.

More then that, you can't have a consumerist model under fascism as trade itself is hampered by a such a brutal police state. People don't like to window shop when the police are free to give a brutal beating just for looking at them funny and it not like worker will have the disposable income to consume if the capitalists use the might of the police to beat the working class into accepting slave wages. Lets not forget that Nazi Germany's economy continued to slump prior to WWII and it was only WWII that fueled growth in Nazi Germany.

[Martin Blank]

In January 1917, Lenin attended a meeting of Swiss Social-Democrats, where he said that he didn't expect to see the revolution in his lifetime. Guess what he was doing a year later?

The moral to the story: Revolutions can happen when you least expect them, so it's best to organize and work to put yourself in the best possible position for when it does come.

[The Dark Side of the Moon]

yes, because i will also see the end of civilization:rolleyes:

[Tim Finnegan]

Beyond assuming that it will survive for at least the next couple of decades, I honestly have no idea. History lurches about like it's coming off a long night at the pub, so I really don't feel like it's possible to make meaningful predictions.


capitalism ended in the late 70s
:blink:

[Os Cangaceiros]

I hope to live long enough to witness the coming post-apocalyptic hellscape.

[Geiseric]

I hope I live long enough to become the warlord of post apocalyptic San Fransisco. Anyways, the political repurcussions of the protests going in arabia, south europes economic collapses, the 40,000 strikes a year in china, the coming depression in the U.S. and the rise of nazis in eastern europe is goinkg to definately take us for a ride.

[HarperHater]

With the way things are headed in my country (Canada), almost certainly not. In terms of the world, probably not.

I think one of two possibilities will happen, a reformation of capitalism or the capitalist system collapsing into itself.

[Rocky Rococo]

No, at 55 it's pretty safe to say not in my lifetime. But I remember a quote I heard somewhere once. Went something like, "The triumph of the human spirit is to plant an orchard that you'll never taste the fruit from." So even as I'm getting older, it's important for me to keep sustaining the ideas, the passion, the continuity of struggle, and ensuring the social memory that legitimizes future struggles and phases.

Edited to add: And who knows, if we keep grubbing away like old moles do, maybe...

[The Man]

I cannot predict the future.. But the way things are, It seems like it will come to an end soon. Sure, We Communists have said this in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s. But isn't a century such a small minute compared to the rest of human history?

[Le Socialiste]

I put 'Probably'. I'm 21.

I don't know, I have a hard time believing Capitalism will endure the next hundred years. It's too unstable, and with the way the earth and its resources are headed people are going to start wondering how all the wealth from said resources ended up in the hands of a tiny minority. At least, I hope that's what happens.

[9]

No.

[Tommy4ever]

Lots of people are overly optimistic. :p

Even at my most optimistic I only hope for an opposition to capitalism to develop by the time I die. Perhaps there will be a socialist revolution during that period, perhaps not (certainly the more likely outcome), but you are living in a dream world if you think capitalism shall be entirely swept away within 4 or 5 decades.

[Optiow]

I would love to say yes, but I really don't think socialism will emerge victorious in my lifetime.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Who knows and no one can predict the future with certainty. I think what I can say with some degree of certainty is that if I live an average lifespan (I'm in my 30s) I will see some significant movements and major challenges to the system and at least several revolutions in my life.

Right now the crisis is shaking all of capitalism at its core and I think we are in an era when new revolutionary waves are more than possible in the short-term. If they win or not and then if they push forward more is up in the air though.

[Delenda Carthago]

Sooo, you people think there is not going to be a change in the next 20 years? You dont see a tendecy to automate every aspect of production, including providing services? You dont understand that this is going to change economy itself in the most drastic ways, since the working class will be needed less and less for the production of wealth(as it already is but in faster and more major ways)?
You dont see that a huge part of the crisis is because of that fact? You cant see that one of the aspects of crisis is that unemployment is a huge part due to the need for less hands on the production and this thing started way back?

You guys, pardon me, but you suck in making conclusions.Stop using your heart and start using your brains. "Revolution" is a much much much broader thing that the shape that most people in here have, which pretty much is two armies fighting against each other- one of them being "the good ones" and the other "the bad ones".

[Delenda Carthago]

I mean, right now I m in the bathroom taking a crap(Ok, I m not, but you get the picture) and I download music while I m talking to some other losers(yeah,you) on the internet about Marx while I m on Valium. You dont see a social reform in this situation?
I tend to even think that revolution is not a matter of the "revolutionaries" anymore. I think society will find its way on its own and that its only litle things the revolutionaries can do about it. But I might be wrong about that...

[Jimmie Higgins]

But I might be wrong about that...:lol: I think you might be right. The whole history of mature capitalism is it's own advancements actually undercutting the basis of the system itself. In the US, people still need homes, construction workers need jobs - but the system creates its own problems and fetters and the housing market "bust" was because there were too many homes being speculated on and now it is no longer profitable for banks as a place for investment.

And decreases in the number of workers due to technological advances or other things actually increases the rate of exploitation for the remaining workers. Where it took thousands of striking dockworkers to shut down a port, now a few dozen, if organized and self-motivated, could shut down that same port.

This is why capitalism is inherently unstable - it is illogical in the abstract and creates problems and crises for its own system (which we as workers bear the brunt of). However, due to the class nature of society, the system will remain in place if left on its own even at the risk of fascism or nuclear war. The Feudal system was also archaic but it didn't stop the Spanish Monarchy from fighting tooth and nail to keep that system in place and unleashing massive reaction to terrorize people into submission. Because the economic system is connected to the class system, it will take a revolution the overthrow of the capitalists for the system to change in a fundamental way.

[Threetune]

The fact that the idea is being debated, even in this casual off hand (and nervous) kind of way is a mini revolution, being determines consciousness, not the other way round.

[Psy]

Lots of people are overly optimistic. :p

Even at my most optimistic I only hope for an opposition to capitalism to develop by the time I die. Perhaps there will be a socialist revolution during that period, perhaps not (certainly the more likely outcome), but you are living in a dream world if you think capitalism shall be entirely swept away within 4 or 5 decades.

Once you have a world revolution with critical mass then you'd see more changes on a daily then in a decade now as the revolution itself becomes the catalyst for more revolutions that become the catalyst for even more revolutions till the entire world is engulfed in revolution. Do you honestly think it was take more then a few years after we have a world class war for capitalism to be swept away?

[DarkPast]

I voted "probably" because we seem to be headed for neo-feudalism.

[Hoipolloi Cassidy]

Even the New York Times says so! (http://theorangepress.com/woid/woid18/woidxviii22.html)

[Tommy4ever]

Once you have a world revolution with critical mass then you'd see more changes on a daily then in a decade now as the revolution itself becomes the catalyst for more revolutions that become the catalyst for even more revolutions till the entire world is engulfed in revolution. Do you honestly think it was take more then a few years after we have a world class war for capitalism to be swept away?

*Looks back to 1917*

Yes, yes I do.

Its also nice to see how certain you are than we will be seeing an open and worldwide class war in the forseeable future. :rolleyes:

[Psy]

*Looks back to 1917*

Yes, yes I do.

Its also nice to see how certain you are than we will be seeing an open and worldwide class war in the forseeable future. :rolleyes:

1917 was not a world revolution, it didn't reach critical mass. Imagine if France in May 1968 became a workers state that sparked uprisings in Eastern Europe to overthrow their Stalinist states to join in the international workers state. Now do you think by that point it would have taken years to crush what is left of capitalism? So why would it take years if all of Europe became on big workers state in the near future?

[S.Artesian]

Think of this as a barometer of optimism.

I guess we should specify our ages to put it in context.

I'm 26, and I really doubt I'll see capitalism out.

I intend to live forever, so the answer is definitely "yes."

[MarxSchmarx]

1917 was not a world revolution, it didn't reach critical mass. Imagine if France in May 1968 became a workers state that sparked uprisings in Eastern Europe to overthrow their Stalinist states to join in the international workers state. Now do you think by that point it would have taken years to crush what is left of capitalism? So why would it take years if all of Europe became on big workers state in the near future?

That's a good point for 1968, but if capitalism collapses in America, it will not last very much longer. Capitalism will survive irrespective of what happens in smaller economies or even entire regions, and could probably survive if it is dealt a blow in say Japan or the EU, along with China or Russia.

But if capitalism ends in America, it will likely sputter along in places like Britain but these will resemble state socialism sputtering on in Cuba or Belarus.

It is an amazingly tall order, but it is the singular dependency of capitalism on the America that gives me cause for hope. There is a generation of people coming of age in America who are deeply ambivalent about capitalism and are quite a bit more pragmatic than their hippie parents. They are largely immune to the appeals of patriotism and xenophobia, deeply secular, intellectually nimble, and are quite passionate about social change. Many of the structural entities that "bought off" earlier generations are not there anymore - youth unemployment is above 33% and higher still among traditionally marginalized groups that are becoming the new majority, not to mention the ubiquity of underemployment. Moreover, outside of mining and agricultural products, America produces nothing the world wants that could employ a large number of people. There is almost no prospect of upward mobility except among the amazingly dedicated and talented. They also differ from their counterparts in many EU states and Canada for example by not expecting the cushion provided by the welfare state. And things are not likely to change, ensuring a continuous flow of progressively more leftist (and economically precarious) young people.

A similar dynamic I think exists in southwestern Europe, to some extent in Britain, and Japan, whose export based economy is being decimated by competition from China. The youth of America have not found their voice yet, but it is a sleeping dragon.

Indeed, there is a generation that has become accustomed to a first world life style that faces third world prospects that is now entering the American labor force or has been struggling in it for some time. It will take time, especially for the babyboomers who dodged the bullet of downward mobility to start dying off. But the American ruling class is so entrenched and has gone far too down the road of establishing their oligarchy that they cannot realistically backtrack. With the failures of Obama the leftist youths are starting to appreciate this.

[Jimmie Higgins]

That's a good point for 1968, but if capitalism collapses in America, it will not last very much longer. Capitalism will survive irrespective of what happens in smaller economies or even entire regions, and could probably survive if it is dealt a blow in say Japan or the EU, along with China or Russia.

But if capitalism ends in America, it will likely sputter along in places like Britain but these will resemble state socialism sputtering on in Cuba or Belarus.

It is an amazingly tall order, but it is the singular dependency of capitalism on the America that gives me cause for hope. There is a generation of people coming of age in America who are deeply ambivalent about capitalism and are quite a bit more pragmatic than their hippie parents. They are largely immune to the appeals of patriotism and xenophobia, deeply secular, intellectually nimble, and are quite passionate about social change. Many of the structural entities that "bought off" earlier generations are not there anymore - youth unemployment is above 33% and higher still among traditionally marginalized groups that are becoming the new majority, not to mention the ubiquity of underemployment. Moreover, outside of mining and agricultural products, America produces nothing the world wants that could employ a large number of people. There is almost no prospect of upward mobility except among the amazingly dedicated and talented. They also differ from their counterparts in many EU states and Canada for example by not expecting the cushion provided by the welfare state. And things are not likely to change, ensuring a continuous flow of progressively more leftist (and economically precarious) young people.

A similar dynamic I think exists in southwestern Europe, to some extent in Britain, and Japan, whose export based economy is being decimated by competition from China. The youth of America have not found their voice yet, but it is a sleeping dragon.

Indeed, there is a generation that has become accustomed to a first world life style that faces third world prospects that is now entering the American labor force or has been struggling in it for some time. It will take time, especially for the babyboomers who dodged the bullet of downward mobility to start dying off. But the American ruling class is so entrenched and has gone far too down the road of establishing their oligarchy that they cannot realistically backtrack. With the failures of Obama the leftist youths are starting to appreciate this.One of the big sort of hurdles to consiousness in the US is the myth of class not being an issue - it's not unique to the US, but since WWII is has been more or less accepted that the US working class has no interest in radical change... often this idea promoted by radicals themselves. The people today are becoming much more class conscious on a basic and experiential level - they may hold conflicting ideas and many will still say "middle class" when they mean "working class" but there is less of the artificial divide that only day laborers and blue collar workers are "workers".

I don't expect, however, for revolution to happen in the US first - probably one of the later and more decisive victories for workers though. I think it's more likely that a revolution somewhere else will massively radicalize people in the US and lead to a real potential for revolutionary movements in the States. And US radicalization could happen really quickly because we don't have a lot of established social democratic parties here and, frankly, our ruling class is rusty at buying people off because they haven't had to domestically do this in a generation. Anti-communist proaganda during the cold war was more effective because the line was basically: you can have Hollywood and cars or the USSR, take your pick. Now the anti-communist line is: radicals are trying to force you to have free health services, an education, and humane jobs and that's unamaerican!

[synthesis]

I hope to live long enough to witness the coming post-apocalyptic hellscape.
http://www.filmofilia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/The-Book-of-Eli-Photo-1.jpg

^ fuck yeah

[Jimmie Higgins]

*Looks back to 1917*

Yes, yes I do.

Its also nice to see how certain you are than we will be seeing an open and worldwide class war in the forseeable future. :rolleyes:

There was a whole series of revolutions and uprisings throughout Europe after the Russian Revolution. And these were often semi-spontaneous because the worker's movement had been in retreat and disoriented by WWI!

It's is also not historically accurate to say that because these revolutions were confined to Europe it was just a regional revolution - capitalism was only just reaching into Japan and even Eastern Europe at that time whereas now a revolution in one place would send shock-waves throughout the world-wide capitalist system. Even hints that Greece or Ireland might have popular referendums against austerity sends quakes through the stock markets, so think what a working class revolution could do.

People were shocked (including socialists) that the Revolution happened in Russia. The non-working class led revolutions after WWII were often in places that didn't have much developed capitalism, but now I doubt any of us would say that Brazil, China, India etc, aren't ripe for a revolution objectively (subjectively, they may not have a crisis or militant worker's movements, but that's beside the point).

[Coggeh]

Yes. Almost certainly. There is huge movements sweeping Europe at the current time, In Ireland massive anger is slowly turning to action. With the introduction of water taxes and a house tax down the line and surveys saying that 40% of families have only 70euro disposiable income a month! after bills will surely rock people out of their slumber. The left is well positioned here in ireland to organise and take the up struggle and we should be very very optimistic for the future in terms of revolts against capitalism itself within the next few years.

Put it this way. America is on the brink of economic collapse with spiralling debt set to reach upwards of over 100% GDP. The euro is on its way out after reports suggesting Greece and Ireland will definetly need second bailouts and also Italy and Spain will need them soon too. We haven't even seen the beginnings of the real collapse economically of capitalism.

I think users pessimism lies not with analysis but pure frustration at the lack of massive action during the current recession. But comrades don't despair the day will soon come and on that day you better not be fucking posting reports on this website but out in the streets and encouraging friends and family to do also. lol

[Crux]

Yes. To be a revolutionary you better have enough optimism to believe you will se it become real.

[Lyev]

It's quite an open-ended question. The OP simply asks: "Will capitalism end?", not what mode of production will follow it. We need to remember the old adage, 'socialism or barbarism' here because people are saying that we should be "optimistic" and "hope for the best" as regards capitalism's collapse but they do not specify whether the next society will be a classless and "truly human" society, or a social form worse than the current one. I also think that capitalism has shown itself, and continues to be very resilient; it is very good at recuperating radicalism, and good at coming back from the brink.

[RNL]

For what it's worth, "an end to capitalism" was intended to mean socialism. I just wanted to avoid the semantics of whether Cuba, or wherever, is socialist or not. But I appreciate the question can be read in two ways now.

[Crux]

It's quite an open-ended question. The OP simply asks: "Will capitalism end?", not what mode of production will follow it. We need to remember the old adage, 'socialism or barbarism' here because people are saying that we should be "optimistic" and "hope for the best" as regards capitalism's collapse but they do not specify whether the next society will be a classless and "truly human" society, or a social form worse than the current one. I also think that capitalism has shown itself, and continues to be very resilient; it is very good at recuperating radicalism, and good at coming back from the brink.
I am a level 35 barbarian so I think I will be alright.