Coke and KFC to be introduced in DPRK

[KurtFF8]

Original title "Coke and KFC at the world's most closed socialist state"

Source (http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Asia/Story/A1Story20110714-289099.html)



PYONGYANG - Coca-Cola and Kentucky Fried Chicken are to be supplied to Pyongyang by end of this year, according to YTN.
Representatives from the two companies paid a visit to North Korea last week, invited by a domestic government-owned company that specializes in hosting foreign investments.
Although Pyongyang has introduced foreign food like pasta or hamburgers to its citizens, this would be the first international chain to open a branch.
The first chain is to be opened by this autumn, along with official supply of Coke.
North Korea is hastening the relaxing of its relationship with the western countries, allowing foreign news agencies like the Associated Press and Reuters to open branches in the capital.
As Coca-Cola and KFC are often referred to as symbols of global capitalism, not to mention American culture, the North's intention brings about controversies concerning acceptance of the market system.


Not exactly the most devastating case of imperialism, but not really a good thing either.

[LevDavidovichBronstein]

Lol, the west shits all over the DPRK but as soon as they have an oppurtunity to get some business in there they pretend to be nice :rolleyes:

[Kenco Smooth]

I think the most interesting thing from this is that both companies must have had the DPRK eyed out as a potential market some time before this. I would've presumed the suggestion of extending supply to the nation would not have been taken seriously within the companies due to the strictness of the state and the international image it has.

[Pretty Flaco]

North Koreans will become fat.

[Sasha]

I assume it will be just for the elite and sorry but the nprk elite is already fat...

[bcbm]

cool when will i be able to book a holiday package?

[Susurrus]

So I see American business has taken a lethal offensive in the war against North Korea. I estimate high casualties.

[khad]

KFC is already fucking expensive in the US. How is it going to be viable in the DPRK?

[Reznov]

Original title "Coke and KFC at the world's most closed socialist state"

Source (http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Asia/Story/A1Story20110714-289099.html)




Not exactly the most devastating case of imperialism, but not really a good thing either.

And just like that, the "war" is over. America wins, not by force but constant economic pressure.

Not that I will be sad to see North Korea go, but this just proves that any Leftist that advocates anything similar to North Korea is ultimately a failure to the working class and revolution.

[Fopeos]

How are N.Koreans going to be able to afford KFC or Coke products? Does this mean more chickens will be raised only to be diverted into the fastfood market?
And i suppose grain that could be consumed by a hungry populace will be used to feed the chickens that the populace won't be able to afford.
I wonder how the DPRK rulers are going to justify this retreat. Or do they not even try to justify their actions to their people anymore?

[Susurrus]

How are N.Koreans going to be able to afford KFC or Coke products? Does this mean more chickens will be raised only to be diverted into the fastfood market?
And i suppose grain that could be consumed by a hungry populace will be used to feed the chickens that the populace won't be able to afford.
I wonder how the DPRK rulers are going to justify this retreat. Or do they not even try to justify their actions to their people anymore?

I would assume it would be imported...

[danyboy27]

I guess if they import the stuff from China, it could be viable, i guess.

[scarletghoul]

i now have no reason not to move to north korea.

[danyboy27]

i now have no reason not to move to north korea.


KFC is fucking disgusting, worst food ever.

[Comrade Crow]

Ok, we will allow coke and chiken, but noting else.

[Susurrus]

My bet is that the next industry to foray into the DPRK will be a clothing chain.

[Metacomet]

Maybe they can put one in that big giant empty concrete hotel.

[Comrade Crow]

My bet is that the next industry to foray into the DPRK will be a clothing chain.

I highly doubt it, look how fly Kim Jong-Ill is.

[The Man]

This is how all of the Socialist States fall... (Not saying that DPRK is one)

Pssh.. "Juche" my ass...

[Metacomet]

I highly doubt it, look how fly Kim Jong-Ill is.


They can have a store that just sells his clothing line

[Rooster]

So this means that North Korea is capitalist?

[danyboy27]

So this means that North Korea is capitalist?


its a worker state plus chicken.

[Tablo]

Will they be placing them anywhere outside of Pyongyang? Not surprised to see the DPRK loosening up. They have been in a bad economic position for quite awhile and China's help hasn't been enough. LOL at people calling North Korea socialist.

[Rooster]

its a worker state plus chicken.

So chicken is revisionism?

[scarletghoul]

its a worker state plus chicken.
It was previously thought that communist society was the highest possible stage of human development, but now thanks to kim we have discovered an even higher stage

[Susurrus]

"Socialism with poultry characteristics"

[danyboy27]

cant wait until a MarxDonald open in pyongyang.

[Comrade Crow]

So chicken is revisionism?

No, cola is revisionism.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Can't wait until someone tries to justify this.

This is just undeniable confirmation of what we already knew. North Korea is - like the Capitalists who it is now in league with - undemocratic, run by the un-accountable, powerful military with Kim as the quasi-puppet head of state.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

Is this when the 'degenerated worker's state' finally turns into a bourgeois state? Basically, the country is opening up for free markets, not rocket science and sensible leftists knew it was happening. It just happens to be that these are some big, recognizable corporations. Coca-cola being there is pretty symbolic - where you have coca-cola, you have capitalism.

[Susurrus]

An old Russian joke adapted for the situation: In the KFC, a customer is talking with the manager. "Why is this chicken cube-shaped?" "Perestroika!(restructuring)" "Why is it undercooked?" "Uskoreniye!(acceleration)" "Why are they bitten?" "Gospriyomka!(state-approval)" "Why are you telling me this so brazenly?" "Glasnost!(openess)"

[Comrade Crow]

Am I the only one who read this and thought it was the DPRK's take on chicken and beer?

Luda Kim came to mind.

[Sixiang]

Here's a related photo of the coke empire:

http://media.cnbc.com/i/CNBC/Sections/CNBC_TV/CNBC_US/Shows/_Documentaries_Specials/Coca_Cola/Slideshow/Coke_Slide_Slide13.jpg

Take off North Korea now. And now there will be North Korean workers in those restaurants, working for the capitalist owners. Welcome capitalism to North Korea. No surprise.

[Susurrus]

Here's a related photo of the coke empire:

http://media.cnbc.com/i/CNBC/Sections/CNBC_TV/CNBC_US/Shows/_Documentaries_Specials/Coca_Cola/Slideshow/Coke_Slide_Slide13.jpg

Take off North Korea now. And now there will be North Korean workers in those restaurants, working for the capitalist owners. Welcome capitalism to North Korea. No surprise.

That map is crap, it is in Cuba too.

[Lumpen Bourgeois]

So once again in a new anti-Kim thread, the ultraleftists with their pathological hatred of the anti-imperialist struggle flock by the droves to "contribute" their own hurpdurp criticisms of the DPRK.:rolleyes:

Nothing the DPRK does can satisfy their trotarchist bloodlust. If the DPRK hadn't let these corporations in, they'd be waxing hysterical about how the evil Kims were depriving the north korean people of the savory goodness that is KFC.

And, they'd actually be right if the DPRK didn't do this. As socialists, we should realize that people deserve many things: respect, dignity, freedom from want, Double Downs (http://www.kfc.com/doubledown/) and Popcorn Chicken. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkxvxV-S4wM)

It would be a crime against the working class and oppressed peoples everywhere to not let them experience KFC. So the DPRK, once again, is doing the right thing, the revolutionary thing.

[bailey_187]

lol, i dont see why koreans shouldnt be able to enjoy fried chicken, but did u just call it "revolutionary"?:lol:

[NoOneIsIllegal]

So the DPRK, once again, is doing the right thing, the revolutionary thing.
Either you're a troll or a joke.


Yes, I am fully aware this post can result in a warning. Hallelujah if it doesn't.

[RadioRaheem84]

Lol, the west shits all over the DPRK but as soon as they have an oppurtunity to get some business in there they pretend to be nice

Look at how nice they are to China now. They still rag on their human rights record a bit but that comes with the neo-liberal territory, possibly to get them to stop badgering full fledged neo-liberal advocates or religious organizations.

[RadioRaheem84]

That map is crap, it is in Cuba too.


Really? No...

[Rafiq]

It's in Cuba, Sudan, and Iran.

[RadioRaheem84]

Is it just hard to find? I mean I've never seen ads for it there.

[Susurrus]

No, they sell it in shops.

[Sasha]

how much are we willing to bet that the heir apparent missed his swiss highschool junkfood

http://o.onionstatic.com/images/articles/article/18374/Kim-Jong-R_jpg_250x1000_q85.jpg

blast the glorious trumpet of juche! the final progression of marxism! where the elite gets KFC and the masses starve! juche! juche! juche!

[Susurrus]

It's better than the other heir, caught trying to sneak into Japan's disneyland.

[Johnny Kerosene]

cool when will i be able to book a holiday package?

I looked it up and you can actually take trips to North Korea. You have to go on a specific date though and they only have so many a year. I'm pretty sure it's a ten day tour where you're taken to see all the wonderful artwork and architecture and the cities where people aren't starving to death. You also have like no freedom in regards to where you want to go and when you want to go there.

[Susurrus]

I looked it up and you can actually take trips to North Korea. You have to go on a specific date though and they only have so many a year. I'm pretty sure it's a ten day tour where you're taken to see all the wonderful artwork and architecture and the cities where people aren't starving to death. You also have like no freedom in regards to where you want to go and when you want to go there.

I believe you are literally assigned a handler.

[Tablo]

Yeah, you get a tour guide that you must stay with at all times and at night you are stuck in a hotel and not allowed to leave. Still pretty cool though.

[Susurrus]

Didn't a tourist get shot recently?

[Comrade Crow]

how much are we willing to bet that the heir apparent missed his swiss highschool junkfood

http://o.onionstatic.com/images/articles/article/18374/Kim-Jong-R_jpg_250x1000_q85.jpg

blast the glorious trumpet of juche! the final progression of marxism! where the elite gets KFC and the masses starve! juche! juche! juche!

So he has a revolutionary gland problem, big whoops.


It's better than the other heir, caught trying to sneak into Japan's disneyland.

This isn't surprising as Disneyland is the shit. Have you ever been to one? The have booze (legit booze, like liquor) everywhere and decent food (atleast at Epcot's Morocco and France). I don't blame him, plus, you can fucking swim with sharks at their water park, who the fuck doesn't want to sneak into Disney?

[Salyut]

cool when will i be able to book a holiday package?

party it up in the DRPK (http://rebelyouth-magazine.blogspot.com/2010/07/this-summer-party-it-up-in-dprk.html)

[Susurrus]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/11/korea

[Dr Mindbender]

Here's a related photo of the coke empire:

http://media.cnbc.com/i/CNBC/Sections/CNBC_TV/CNBC_US/Shows/_Documentaries_Specials/Coca_Cola/Slideshow/Coke_Slide_Slide13.jpg

Take off North Korea now. And now there will be North Korean workers in those restaurants, working for the capitalist owners. Welcome capitalism to North Korea. No surprise.

I wonder why Japan has been erased from that map? :confused:

[Sasha]

I wonder why Japan has been erased from that map? :confused:

japanese only drink pepsi

[Leonid Brozhnev]

Coca Cola sponsors Godzilla.

[Ismail]

I believe you are literally assigned a handler.The DPRK is quite strict but it isn't like you could freely roam around as a tourist in the Eastern Bloc states or the USSR either.

Also I don't see why people are calling this a violation of Juche or whatever. It's lame but it isn't like the introduction of a KFC place in the capital or whatever means that the sole dietary staple of the North Korean is foreign fried chicken. And it isn't like Juche literally means "self-reliance" in that there is absolutely no trade or anything with the outside world. It's like people who take Hoxha's stress on economic self-reliance to mean "and so Hoxha called for Albania to literally have no interaction at all with any other country."

One difference, though, is that the 1976 Albanian constitution banned foreign investments, whereas the DPRK is encouraging them.

[KC]

So once again in a new anti-Kim thread, the ultraleftists with their pathological hatred of the anti-imperialist struggle flock by the droves to "contribute" their own hurpdurp criticisms of the DPRK.:rolleyes:

Nothing the DPRK does can satisfy their trotarchist bloodlust. If the DPRK hadn't let these corporations in, they'd be waxing hysterical about how the evil Kims were depriving the north korean people of the savory goodness that is KFC.

And, they'd actually be right if the DPRK didn't do this. As socialists, we should realize that people deserve many things: respect, dignity, freedom from want, Double Downs (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.kfc.com/doubledown/) and Popcorn Chicken. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkxvxV-S4wM)

It would be a crime against the working class and oppressed peoples everywhere to not let them experience KFC. So the DPRK, once again, is doing the right thing, the revolutionary thing.

I'm blown away. This is hands down the best post I've ever seen on RevLeft.

[Sasha]

So once again in a new anti-Kim thread, the ultraleftists with their pathological hatred of the anti-imperialist struggle flock by the droves to "contribute" their own hurpdurp criticisms of the DPRK.:rolleyes:

Nothing the DPRK does can satisfy their trotarchist bloodlust. If the DPRK hadn't let these corporations in, they'd be waxing hysterical about how the evil Kims were depriving the north korean people of the savory goodness that is KFC.

And, they'd actually be right if the DPRK didn't do this. As socialists, we should realize that people deserve many things: respect, dignity, freedom from want, Double Downs (http://www.kfc.com/doubledown/) and Popcorn Chicken. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkxvxV-S4wM)

It would be a crime against the working class and oppressed peoples everywhere to not let them experience KFC. So the DPRK, once again, is doing the right thing, the revolutionary thing.


ISWYDT :lol:

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

cool when will i be able to book a holiday package?

You've been able to do that for quite some time:

http://www.koryogroup.com/

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

And this is only a small part of what's going on...

http://espressostalinist.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/2011060800964_0.jpg

New China-DPRK Free Trade Zone in 황금평 (Hwanggumpyong).

And...

"Kaesŏng Industrial Region is a special administrative industrial region of North Korea. It was formed in 2002 from part of Kaesŏng Directly Governed City.... Kaesŏng Industrial Park is being operated in the region, as a collaborative economic development with South Korea.... The industrial park is seen as a way for South Korean companies to employ cheap labour that is educated, skilled and speaks Korean which would make communication considerably easier." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaesong_Industrial_Region
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaesong_Industrial_Region)
And...

"The DPR of Korea (North Korea) will become in the next years the most important hub for trading in North-East Asia.... Lowest labour cost in Asia.... Highly qualified, loyal and motivated personnel. Education, housing and health service is provided free to all citizens. As opposed to other Asian countries, worker's will not abandon their positions for higher salaries once they are trained." - Business in DPRK (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.korea-dpr.com/business.htm)(Official Website of DPRK)

There are also factories owned by South Korean businesses in the DPRK, a resort for South Koreans, etc.

"GAESEONG, North Korea — When a South Korean businessman explained to a group of foreign diplomats and journalists visiting his garment factory here last week how he overcame political differences with North Korean workers with the "help of God," his Communist interpreter blushed and declined to translate the comment." - South Korean factories across border keep lines open to North (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/28/business/worldbusiness/28iht-gaeseong.1.5894946.html) (New York Times)

[Savage]

http://o.onionstatic.com/images/articles/article/18374/Kim-Jong-R_jpg_250x1000_q85.jpg

This guy only eats Kentucky Fried Capitalists

[Os Cangaceiros]

They should have allowed Popeye's instead. Popeye's is better than KFC.

Or Church's. Church's is good too.

Fuck it...fry up anything that even remotely resembles a chicken and I'm all over it.

[RED DAVE]

Stalinism/Maoism one more time shows its true colors: setting the stage for capitalism.

RED DAVE

[Tablo]

And this is only a small part of what's going on...

http://espressostalinist.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/2011060800964_0.jpg

New China-DPRK Free Trade Zone in 황금평 (Hwanggumpyong).

And...

"Kaesŏng Industrial Region is a special administrative industrial region of North Korea. It was formed in 2002 from part of Kaesŏng Directly Governed City.... Kaesŏng Industrial Park is being operated in the region, as a collaborative economic development with South Korea.... The industrial park is seen as a way for South Korean companies to employ cheap labour that is educated, skilled and speaks Korean which would make communication considerably easier." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaesong_Industrial_Region
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaesong_Industrial_Region)
And...

"The DPR of Korea (North Korea) will become in the next years the most important hub for trading in North-East Asia.... Lowest labour cost in Asia.... Highly qualified, loyal and motivated personnel. Education, housing and health service is provided free to all citizens. As opposed to other Asian countries, worker's will not abandon their positions for higher salaries once they are trained." - Business in DPRK (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.korea-dpr.com/business.htm)(Official Website of DPRK)

There are also factories owned by South Korean businesses in the DPRK, a resort for South Koreans, etc.

"GAESEONG, North Korea — When a South Korean businessman explained to a group of foreign diplomats and journalists visiting his garment factory here last week how he overcame political differences with North Korean workers with the "help of God," his Communist interpreter blushed and declined to translate the comment." - South Korean factories across border keep lines open to North (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/28/business/worldbusiness/28iht-gaeseong.1.5894946.html) (New York Times)
I fucking KNEW this would happen.

[Chambered Word]

This belongs in RevLeft's greatest hits. :D

Still waiting for manic expression's diatribe in defence of the North Korean worker's state (with poultry characteristics etc).

[tachosomoza]

i now have no reason not to move to north korea.

I don't think they're very fond of Westerners, especially those that...um...turn red in the sun. :lol:

[agnixie]

I don't think they're very fond of Westerners, especially those that...um...turn red in the sun. :lol:

Er, this is north korea; mountains and a northern climate.

[tachosomoza]

Er, this is north korea; mountains and a northern climate.

Occupied by people who remember what the Western people who turn red in the sun did to their neighbors and tried to do to them...

And I like the mountains too...and I'm Afro-American.

[agnixie]

Occupied by people who remember what the Western people who turn red in the sun did to their neighbors and tried to do to them...

And I like the mountains too...and I'm Afro-American.

Koreans also turn red in the sun. That was my point. It comes with the climate. And afro-americans and middle easterners, and mediterraneans, none of whom tend to go red in the sun while being often considered westerners (especially Turks), fought in Korea. This facile bullshit is really trite and simplifies race issues to racialist bullshit when they are essentially cultural.

[Rooster]

The DPRK is quite strict but it isn't like you could freely roam around as a tourist in the Eastern Bloc states or the USSR either.

I don't think that's strictly true. You weren't often issued a handler in the USSR or in the Eastern Bloc unless you were with something like a TV company or you were a journalist. You were barred from entering certain areas, true, but the worst thing that would happen is that you'd get stopped at a police road block and they'd search your car/person and check your papers.


Also I don't see why people are calling this a violation of Juche or whatever. It's lame but it isn't like the introduction of a KFC place in the capital or whatever means that the sole dietary staple of the North Korean is foreign fried chicken. And it isn't like Juche literally means "self-reliance" in that there is absolutely no trade or anything with the outside world. It's like people who take Hoxha's stress on economic self-reliance to mean "and so Hoxha called for Albania to literally have no interaction at all with any other country."It's lame because it means a company can operate a capitalist enterprise in a so called socialist state. That's a bit of a contradiction.

[agnixie]

I don't think that's strictly true. You weren't often issued a handler in the USSR or in the Eastern Bloc unless you were with something like a TV company or you were a journalist. You were barred from entering certain areas, true, but the worst thing that would happen is that you'd get stopped at a police road block and they'd search your car/person and check your papers.

It's lame because it means a company can operate a capitalist enterprise in a so called socialist state. That's a bit of a contradiction.

After the racism, the militarism, the hereditary dictatorship, the ultra-nationalism, KFC is basically the jaywalking part of not being a workers' state.

[Martin Blank]

Still waiting for manic expression's diatribe in defence of the North Korean worker's state (with poultry characteristics etc).

He's probably preparing his polemic on the nutritional advantages of the People's Double Down as we speak.

[bricolage]

I was under the impression permanent revolution meant you could jump straight to Morleys without going through KFC, this is just crude stagism.

[Thirsty Crow]

This belongs in RevLeft's greatest hits. :D

Still waiting for manic expression's diatribe in defence of the North Korean worker's state (with poultry characteristics etc).
Nah, he'll probably waltz in defending a new assessment of the NK state: a modified deformed workers' state, somewhat like Belarus, but with a stronger tendency towards socialism (since their ruling party is a workers' party, y'know).

[KC]

Stalinism/Maoism one more time shows its true colors: setting the stage for capitalism.

Trotskyists love being "consistent materialists"


...except when it comes to "Stalinism/Maoism".

[agnixie]

Trotskyists love being "consistent materialists"


...except when it comes to "Stalinism/Maoism".

How many Stalinist/Maoist states did not become capitalist internally?

[Dr Mindbender]

Its worth noting that McDonalds set up in the Soviet union in the years before it fell.

Maybe thats an omen.

amx-JHhtsHw

[Forward Union]

Not exactly the most devastating case of imperialism, but not really a good thing either.

I dunno, have you seen the new KFC Crushers? You can get kit kat flavour

[KC]

How many Stalinist/Maoist states did not become capitalist internally?

You're just as idealist as them.

[agnixie]

You're just as idealist as them.

Yeah, fucking anarchists; how dare we not side with the liquidators of revolutions. We should ally with the glorious national bourgeoisie and seek to create a new imperialist order with a veneer of pretence to care about workers' democracy. Glorious dictatorship of the politburo.

In the meantime, you evaded my question.

[RadioRaheem84]

KFC sucks, the world is missing out on Popeye's! The best chicken place out of the big chains.

[KC]

Yeah, fucking anarchists; how dare we not side with the liquidators of revolutions.

You know I'm not a Stalinist, right?


We should ally with the glorious national bourgeoisie and seek to create a new imperialist order with a veneer of pretence to care about workers' democracy. Glorious dictatorship of the politburo.This is absolutely hilarious. Have you ever read any of my posts?

[Devrim]

KFC is already fucking expensive in the US. How is it going to be viable in the DPRK?

I can't imagine that KFC is that expensive in the US. I would imagine that the working class can still afford to eat there. Here in Turkey and most of the rest of the Middle East, the people who eat in American fast food joints are not the sort of people who eat in them in Western Europe, and I imagine the US. They are full of middle class and rich kids who genuinely thing that eating in McDonalds is something cool and even sophisticated.

I imagine it will be something similar in North Korea, and probably even more exclusive.

Actually I have never eaten there. Is it any good?


I believe you are literally assigned a handler [on a visit to North Korea.

It is the same in Cuba, or at least it used to be.

Devrim

[Susurrus]

It is the same in Cuba, or at least it used to be.



Wasn't when I went there(last year).

[Devrim]

Wasn't when I went there(last year).

I had a girlfriend who went there back in the 1980s. In those days you could only go on an official trip. She went with the CPGB run progress tours. There was guides/handlers for the group. My girlfriend was Spanish, and the handlers were quite freaked out that there was a Spanish speaker in their English tour group who could talk directly to people.

Devrim

[Susurrus]

I had a girlfriend who went there back in the 1980s. In those days you could only go on an official trip. She went with the CPGB run progress tours. There was guides/handlers for the group. My girlfriend was Spanish, and the handlers were quite freaked out that there was a Spanish speaker in their English tour group who could talk directly to people.


The change probably has to do with the fall of the Soviet Union. I went with an American Episcopal Church-run aid trip last summer, and we didn't have any sort of handler, no government interference apart from airport screenings.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

I had a girlfriend who went there back in the 1980s. In those days you could only go on an official trip. She went with the CPGB run progress tours. There was guides/handlers for the group. My girlfriend was Spanish, and the handlers were quite freaked out that there was a Spanish speaker in their English tour group who could talk directly to people.

Devrim

Cuba is completely free to travel around these days. I had a 30day travel visa and it allowed me complete freedom to go anywhere, basically.

There are, in theory, places where gringos can't go, and places where locals can't go, but in reality (in Havana anyway) the police and the people are on good terms and the rules in that respect are lax. The Cubans are extremely relaxed about making friends with gringos, which is of course a good thing for someone like me travelling there.:D

[Catmatic Leftist]

Now the capitalists have one more thing to flaunt their ignorance in our faces with. :(

"HAHAHA, LOOK, EVEN NORTH KOREA IS GOING CAPPIE, TAKE THAT YOU PINKO COMMUNIST SCUM."

Fuck.

[RadioRaheem84]

Actually, when people start protesting the neo-liberal reforms, which are really going to hurt the NK people far worse than they are hurting now, you will see the Jong-il regime clamp down on dissent. That is when the capitalist press will chime in and say, "see, this why Communism is oppressive".

When they continue to liberalize, the press will commend them and say "freedom is coming to NK", but when the NK government puts a jackboot on some rural citizen's neck when he protests being thrown out of his house for the development of some free trade zone, or when they stop providing free services to citizens and they march in the streets only to be tear gassed, then does the press remember that they're "communist".

[bricolage]

The Cubans are extremely relaxed about making friends with gringos, which is of course a good thing for someone like me travelling there.:D
On the other hand the police, in my experience, are very apprehensive about foreigners mingling with Cubans too much. When I went to Cuba someone I went with knew someone in Havana who had been living there for a year or so and was friends with some musicians who lived above an art gallery. The guy who knew them went off to Santiago but we still used to hang out with the musicians on the Malecon most nights, the police would constantly be moving us on and convinced they were about to rob us. I think the blockade has meant the Cuban economy has become very dependent on money from tourism so they are very quick to stop anything that is perceived to disrupt this flow. Added to this some sort of distrust in ordinary Cubans.

[bricolage]

Actually I have never eaten there. Is it any good?
Some people go nuts over the chicken but I think you can get it better other places. Additionally KFC chips are shit.

[Martin Blank]

Actually I have never eaten there. Is it any good?

If you like the taste of vegetable oil, then KFC is the place for you. You get a free quart with every order.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

On the other hand the police, in my experience, are very apprehensive about foreigners mingling with Cubans too much. When I went to Cuba someone I went with knew someone in Havana who had been living there for a year or so and was friends with some musicians who lived above an art gallery. The guy who knew them went off to Santiago but we still used to hang out with the musicians on the Malecon most nights, the police would constantly be moving us on and convinced they were about to rob us. I think the blockade has meant the Cuban economy has become very dependent on money from tourism so they are very quick to stop anything that is perceived to disrupt this flow. Added to this some sort of distrust in ordinary Cubans.

I think the problem is that when they see a cuban with a gringo, they don't know whether the cuban is a jinetero or is just making friends.

My first day in Havana I was slightly overwhelmed and needed to buy a plug (which turned into a 2 hour unsuccessful trip!) and got hustled, which was slightly frustrating.

The next time I went back and was making friends with soem of the locals, they'd get a bit cagey around police, but elsewhere they'd be happy to hang out. Meh.

[Os Cangaceiros]

If you like the taste of vegetable oil, then KFC is the place for you. You get a free quart with every order.

When I go to a fast food chicken outlet, I'm looking for enough grease to lubricate my car's engine.

It sucks that they switched to synthetic soybean oil or whatever the hell they use now. If someone doesn't want to wage war on their body then they shouldn't be eating at KFC, it's a simple as that. Give me trans fat or give me death.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

When I go to a fast food chicken outlet, I'm looking for enough grease to lubricate my car's engine.

It sucks that they switched to synthetic soybean oil or whatever the hell they use now. If someone doesn't want to wage war on their body then they shouldn't be eating at KFC, it's a simple as that. Give me trans fat or give me death.

Tis all psychological.

I coated some chicken in egg and flour the other day, put some spices on and shallow fried it in olive oil at home, it tasted just as good as deep fried heart attack chicken.

KFC is good, though.

[ComradePonov]

Now only if the people had money to spend...


In terms of KFC and Coke... I can assure you that the ruling class had far better supplies of food before this. The difference between the rich and the poor is far greater in North Korea than it ever was in America.


How the North Korean elite dare to call themselves socialist is beyond me.

[Revy]

The "workers' state" marches on.

The DRPK was never socialist. It's always been state capitalist, and was founded as a Stalinist puppet state. Kim Il-sung was chosen by the Soviet authorities to rule over Soviet occupied North Korea. After Stalin died, and "Juche" was invented, the DPRK denied any connection to Stalin or the Soviet Union, promoting the lie that the DPRK came into existence as a result of some kind of workers' revolution - when the rise of the DPRK regime came directly after these Soviet puppets had repressed and crushed the genuine revolutionary activity that was occurring in 1940s Korea.

http://www.isj.org.uk/?id=205

[Rafiq]

Actually I have never eaten there. Is it any good?



KFC? To me, it's quite good. McDonald's is great as well.

However, I don't know the taste bud standards in Turkey, so maybe they may not taste good to you. On the other hand, I was raised eating foreign food, which I don't think is that different from Turkish dish.

It's pretty good, you should give it a try sometimes.

[Pretty Flaco]

Fuck KFC, North Korea needs a Popeyes...

[Nox]

Juche, Coke and KFC...

Livin' the dream