Revolution in the First World.

[Ballyfornia]

If there was a successful Revolution in a first world country. Would there be mass factories opening/reopening and alot more emphasis on agriculture. Would the country have to go into complete Autarky, If not what other alternatives are there

[OhYesIdid]

just a heads up: questions end in a "?"

There are many differing views on this, but the common conception is that workers will take control of the means of production and work from there: forming a palace economy of heart-like distribution, selling it to other communes, etc.
You question seems to imply that the third world would remain reactionary, which is a funny idea. I think that a successful revolution in somewhere like England, France, Germany, or even the States would unleash a domino effect of popular uprising that would change most of the world, certainly including more than a few food sources.

[j-mak]

Something that just came to mind (and formed a similar question thread I just started): Say Britain declared itself a Communist state tomorrow, what would happen to British television, I'm sure large Capitalist networks such as Fox would be banned/refuse to broadcast to a nation that rejects private ownership. Would it become a government-run propaganda machine? Nike, Apple and any other brand would also be abolished in Britain. Forcing it to produce its own shoes, phones, cars, ect.

Could the first world nation afford/have the resources to develop new government-run businesses in countless industries?

[Sensible Socialist]

Something that just came to mind (and formed a similar question thread I just started): Say Britain declared itself a Communist state tomorrow, what would happen to British television, I'm sure large Capitalist networks such as Fox would be banned/refuse to broadcast to a nation that rejects private ownership. Would it become a government-run propaganda machine? Nike, Apple and any other brand would also be abolished in Britain. Forcing it to produce its own shoes, phones, cars, ect.

Could the first world nation afford/have the resources to develop new government-run businesses in countless industries?
First of all, there is no such thing as a communist state, as communism is a classless and stateless society. As such, it would be incredibly foolish for any group to declare communism in a country immediately. Secondly, who is declaring Britain communist? The government? If they kept any remains of their outdated and hierarchial system of power, it would not be communist.

For communism to be achieved, all means of production must come under common control of society and be used not for profit but for the good of the community.

It isn't possible for a government to declare itself a communist country overnight.

[RedMarxist]

exactly. Ever heard of 'state capitalism' in relation to the USSR and China? In those countries or former countries, the industry was/is owned by the state, not the workers(which in an ideal socialist society the industry would be under worker control)

IMHO, Greece has a potential to be socialist or at least socialist leaning. The protesters(might as well call 'em revolutionaries now!) have demanded nationalizing of the banks as well as putting production under worker control, which would basically destroy the profit motive for any would be capitalist(which if the workers took over the Greek industry would not exist as the workers would replace his authority with their own authority)

obviously the EU does not want this to happen so is/has fought tooth and nail to preserve the Greek Parliament/government, which increasingly is losing control and I suspect within this year, maybe when winter rolls around(september) it will completely collapse.

as for emphasis on agriculture I believe your mistaking agrarian revolutions with a first world revolution. China, Vietman, etc. were not first world, and so focused on agriculture, plus a large percentile of their pop were peasants.

If America became socialist, the urban proletariat would be the main focus and thus factories would be the main focus as well.

Oh, and as for your question on propaganda. Who knows? depends on whether or not you have a part dictatorship or not. I doubt it would be to the extent of 1930's Russia but we'll see.

[Reznov]

IMHO, Greece has a potential to be socialist or at least socialist leaning. The protesters(might as well call 'em revolutionaries now!) have demanded nationalizing of the banks as well as putting production under worker control, which would basically destroy the profit motive for any would be capitalist(which if the workers took over the Greek industry would not exist as the workers would replace his authority with their own authority)

obviously the EU does not want this to happen so is/has fought tooth and nail to preserve the Greek Parliament/government, which increasingly is losing control and I suspect within this year, maybe when winter rolls around(september) it will completely collapse.



I have to disagree about the Greece situation and your prediction, I do not believe the Greek Parliament/Government will collapse.

They might be forced to give a few of the requests demanded by the Greek working class, but ultimately I believe nothing will change besides a few gains.

I predict the same thing to happen that happened in Wisconsin.

[thesadmafioso]

Mass economic restructuring would not be a likely result of a revolutionary transference of power into the hands of the proletariat. Presuming that the revolution is isolated to one developed nation, there would simply be no possible way for such to happen in the context of the globalized market structure which dominates modern economics. There would be no possible opening for an expansion in manufacturing unless protectionist policies were applied in order to protect such undertakings.

In brief, such a movement would need international support in order for such drastic measures to be considered as being plausible. Without the aforementioned occurrence, only alterations to the operational functions of already existing institutions of production would be sustainable.

[RedMarxist]

why do you think the government will survive? the people of Greece will not tolerate it's survival, and will most certainty try and destroy the state. Hell, they've already repeatedly stated int the PA's(People Assemblies) that they want it to go(we won't leave till the government leaves...sound familiar, as it should if you've followed the revolution)

Furthermore, a revolution in Greece would most certainty spread Europe wide. It would not be isolated. And the only way to keep it from spreading is repeating 1848(which would make the ruling classes of Europe look like hypocritical dicks, know what I mean?) the ruling class of Greece has been 'soft' compared to 1848 and will most likely fall.


furthermore the PA's have already began drafting, or making prep to do so, a NEW CONSTITUTION! what does that tell me? It tells me they will not tolerate a government compromise.