My mum wants to fuck a Fascist

[Dogs On Acid]

Seriously...

*picture removed*

His motorcycle gang:

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7061/28443510150367124057067.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/228/28443510150367124057067.jpg/)

[Nuvem]

Wait....Fascists use the Confederate colors outside of America?

OH MY GOD, I'M THROWING THAT IN THE FACE OF EVERY SOUTHERN REBEL I EVER MEET FROM THIS DAY FORWARD.

As for your conundrum; What's the penalty for murder in the first degree in Portugal?

[NoOneIsIllegal]

Title should be "My mum wants to fuck up a fascist"
I would join.

[Sasha]

I removed the identifying picture, motorcycle gang members, especially these kind are not to be messed with.

I would advice you to have an good "i fear for your safety" talk with your mum, don't spend time on the fascist symbolism, its probably not even that important to the gang members themselves. Focus on the horible track record of women abuse, forced prostitution, rape, hard drug dealing etc.

[Dogs On Acid]

You know what's ironic? He works in social services :laugh:

[PhoenixAsh]

http://www.rockersklan.com/home.html
https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=60682826706&v=wall

SF makes no mention of them. I think you should go with what Psycho said.

[Principia Ethica]

Does the 88 stand for what I think it stands for? Why would europeans WANT to be rednecks?

[The Dark Side of the Moon]

If I where you, I'd stay in the shadows. Facists have bad night vision

[khad]

You're not helping. Irrelevant posts trashed.

[Hit The North]

Tell her she should fuck him with this:

http://www.newlawnmower.co.uk/ekmps/shops/nataliecook/images/castel-xc36-chainsaw-187-p.jpg

Yup, a nice red one.

[Dogs On Acid]

Tell her she should fuck him with this:

http://www.newlawnmower.co.uk/ekmps/shops/nataliecook/images/castel-xc36-chainsaw-187-p.jpg

Yup, a nice red one.

:lol:

[khad]

Oh yes, how silly of me to step out of place. :rolleyes: Don't worry I'll go back to cooking and cleaning and shackling my lips of my opinion. ;)

The point I was getting at (that must have been lost in translation) was she should have a right to fuck who ever she wants. I say this as my entire family is trying to tear me apart from the man I love.
Why does this thread end up having to be about you? It's about this kid who may be put in a danger because of his family situation.

You've already been warned before for trying to derail discussions with this drama mongering, so have an infraction.

Any attempt to further derail the thread will earn more infractions.

[Thirsty Crow]

Does the 88 stand for what I think it stands for? Why would europeans WANT to be rednecks?
I don't think that a nazi salute has anything to do with "rednecks", which is incidentally a derogatory term based not only on people's views but also on their class background.

[Dogs On Acid]

put in a secret camera and upload the results to pornhub.

How is that comment funny?

[khad]

A blanket verbal warning to everyone else here to keep it civil and the tasteless jokes out.

[The Douche]

Is this really a fascist group? In looking through their websites briefly it looks more like a nod to the "rocker" subculture, which used biker and southern imagery as part of their culture. I don't see anything obviously racist.

Yes I know, a confederate flag and the deaths head. But knowing bikers, I know better than to assume that these things automatically mean somebody is a racist, much less fascist. (though I am still opposed to people using the imagery, I'm just saying it doesn't always mean what we're assuming here)

[Principia Ethica]

I don't think that a nazi salute has anything to do with "rednecks", which is incidentally a derogatory term based not only on people's views but also on their class background.

I was more referring to the rebel flag. . .isn't that a southern confederate fetishist thing? And the term "redneck" is a class background thing? Funny, here in the south, it's usually a term for southerners who hold certain beliefs regardless of class/income.

[Dr Mindbender]

How is that comment funny?

Sorry im just thinking aloud. Im bad at guaging innapropriate social cues its a personality trait of mine. Tha said though,he might lose his job.

Seriously though, I dont know what sort of person your mother is so if shes so determined to go with this guy I'm not really sure what you could do to stop it (or even if you should?) Its her life after all.

[Dogs On Acid]

I don't think that a nazi salute has anything to do with "rednecks", which is incidentally a derogatory term based not only on people's views but also on their class background.

Well the gang does have the Nazi Skull and Bones used in the SS Totenkopf divisions...

[Dogs On Acid]

Sorry im just thinking aloud. Im bad at guaging innapropriate social cues its a personality trait of mine. Tha said though,he might lose his job.

Seriously though, I dont know what sort of person your mother is so if shes so determined to go with this guy I'm not really sure what you could do to stop it (or even if you should?) Its her life after all.

Well her life is my life because I still live with her and I don't want Biker gang Fascists around.
If she wasn't living with 2 children, one being a 10 year old girl, then I honestly wouldn't give a shit.

[Dr Mindbender]

Well the gang does have the Nazi Skull and Bones used in the SS Totenkopf divisions...

You might be putting 2+2 together and getting 5. In my experience a lot of these fringe underground goth-metal-biker groups use third reich era symbols in their iconographic wankery. Its probably more a nihilistic thing than political.

[Dogs On Acid]

You might be putting 2+2 together and getting 5. In my experience a lot of these fringe underground goth-metal-biker groups use third reich era symbols in their iconographic wankery. Its probably more a nihilistic thing than political.

Well they ain't no commies that's for sure

The confederate flag... :lol:

[Dr Mindbender]

Well they ain't no commies that's for sure

The confederate flag... :lol:

From my limited observation of american sub cultures I understand they probably arent the most progressive but it doesnt necessarilly entail they are fascists.

Unless you've something concrete to go on like knowledge of their attending white power KKK style events or their involvement in racist inspired crimes maybe you shouldnt panic.

Besides for some reason I cant envisage bikers rolling with KKK types. Bikers are all about non conformity i dont think theyd see the appeal in fascism.

I might be wrong but im just saying equally you MIGHT be jumping to conclusions.

[Hivemind]

Does the 88 stand for what I think it stands for?

Yes. Yes it does. No non-fascist would ever use the number 88 if they knew what it meant.

[khad]

I might be wrong but im just saying equally you MIGHT be jumping to conclusions.

As this blog notes, there has been a growing trend of using fascist iconography among biker gangs:
http://gangstersout.blogspot.com/2011/06/bikers-and-nazis.html

And this may in fact be linked to the influx of neo-nazis rising in the ranks of these clubs:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,599507,00.html

I think you're perfectly justified in being suspicious.


Yes. Yes it does. No non-fascist would ever use the number 88 if they knew what it meant.

Yes, the Heil Hitler number is a dead giveaway.

[Tommy4ever]

My grandfather has been a fascist since the 30s (when he was a teenager!). :blink:

He owns Triumph of the Will and has a bunch of Nazi memrobelia (sp?) as well as a deep affection for Oswald Mosley and a hatred for ''the blacks''. And no, I've never told him I'm a commie. :p

[Thirsty Crow]

I was more referring to the rebel flag. . .isn't that a southern confederate fetishist thing? And the term "redneck" is a class background thing? Funny, here in the south, it's usually a term for southerners who hold certain beliefs regardless of class/income.
Well, okay if you were referring to the Confederate flag. In this case, many people from Europe who fly it do not refer to the political positions derived from the American Civil War. It's a cultural thing, as others have pointed out, a matter of rock culture (for reasons not clear to me).Though, there is a possibility of conscious use with regard to racist views.

As far as the term "redneck" is concerned, please take into account that English is not my first language, and I'm not superbly familiar with the use of the term in American public discourse, but I was under the impression that no one would seriously use it when referring to rich people who are bigots (except American leftists?). Maybe I'm confusing it with "white trash".

[Dr Mindbender]

Yes. Yes it does. No non-fascist would ever use the number 88 if they knew what it meant.

Unless they mean it in an ironic or deliberately shock provoking context.

Maybe i am playing devil's advocate but i'm still not convinced that the use of these symbols necessitate that it is meant politically. Even the ones that DO mean it that way are likely in the vast minority.

[OhYesIdid]

Wait, what's her side of the story? She's a grown woman, I don't think she'd be as stupid as to go with the bad boy for the thrill of it. Maybe his gang only uses that imagery innocently? You say he works in social services, have you talked to the guy?
Do what I do: start a political conversation and jump at the first opportunity to advocate the end of capitalism and the state, a sane person will probably disagree with you and move on, an insane asshole will not be able to resist and unleash his fascist fury.

[Dr Mindbender]

Wait, what's her side of the story? She's a grown woman, I don't think she'd be as stupid as to go with the bad boy for the thrill of it. Maybe his gang only uses that imagery innocently? You say he works in social services, have you talked to the guy?
Do what I do: start a political conversation and jump at the first opportunity to advocate the end of capitalism and the state, a sane person will probably disagree with you and move on, an insane asshole will not be able to resist and unleash his fascist fury.

That sounds like a plan.

Unless the fascist fury employs the use of a baseball bat.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Well the gang does have the Nazi Skull and Bones used in the SS Totenkopf divisions...
The image of skulls and bones have been used with many different meanings: Pirates, the indigenous civilizations in whats now Mexico, poisonous substance warnings, etc. I am not saying whether or not it is a racist group, I'm just not going to jump to conclusions.

[Catmatic Leftist]

Wait, what's her side of the story? She's a grown woman, I don't think she'd be as stupid as to go with the bad boy for the thrill of it. Maybe his gang only uses that imagery innocently? You say he works in social services, have you talked to the guy?
Do what I do: start a political conversation and jump at the first opportunity to advocate the end of capitalism and the state, a sane person will probably disagree with you and move on, an insane asshole will not be able to resist and unleash his fascist fury.

Couldn't that put FightTogether in a dangerous position? He espouses communist/anarchist beliefs, and then the fascist informs the neo-nazi agency and they keep tabs on him, and let's say the biker guy breaks up with the mother; then he's kind of fucked. I think he should tread a little more carefully than that.

[Dogs On Acid]

My grandfather has been a fascist since the 30s (when he was a teenager!). :blink:

He owns Triumph of the Will and has a bunch of Nazi memrobelia (sp?) as well as a deep affection for Oswald Mosley and a hatred for ''the blacks''. And no, I've never told him I'm a commie. :p

You should, for the lulz

[khad]

There's a very specific pose that the SS Totenkopf division used for its skull and crossbones emblem, and this biker club copies it down to a T.

https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/71155_60682826706_7869445_n.jpg

http://historywarsweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/image/SS_Totenkopf.JPG


Search "skull and crossbones" and see if you can find any Totenkopf emblems:
http://images.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1273&bih=797&q=skull+and+crossbones&gbv=2&oq=skull+and+cross&aq=0&aqi=g10&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=521l3665l0l4099l17l14l1l4l4l0l200l1143l4.3. 2l9

[OhYesIdid]

I think he should tread a little more carefully than that.

Are there no socialist friends up in Portugal? Get them to defend you, or better yet, go to the authorities, that's going to piss him off.

EDIT: Oh shit, Khad's got a point.

[Dogs On Acid]

Wait, what's her side of the story? She's a grown woman, I don't think she'd be as stupid as to go with the bad boy for the thrill of it. Maybe his gang only uses that imagery innocently? You say he works in social services, have you talked to the guy?
Do what I do: start a political conversation and jump at the first opportunity to advocate the end of capitalism and the state, a sane person will probably disagree with you and move on, an insane asshole will not be able to resist and unleash his fascist fury.

Yes she can be stupid, she likes "bad boys".

He's in Hells Angels as well (I know he was a few years ago), not a good idea to get into an argument with him...


Are there no socialist friends up in Portugal? Get them to defend you, or better yet, go to the authorities, that's going to piss him off.
And tell them what? That would get me beaten.

[khad]

Yes she can be stupid, she likes "bad boys".

He's in Hells Angels as well (I know he was a few years ago), not a good idea to get into an argument with him...
Hell's Angels is the major club that's been linked to the growing influence of Neonazis on the biker community:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,599507,00.html

[OhYesIdid]

Yes she can be stupid, she likes "bad boys".

He's in Hells Angels as well (I know he was a few years ago), not a good idea to get into an argument with him...

Now I'm just pissed off. What kind of person still does that as a mother? has she no consideration for her children? Fuck, must restrain myself...

I recommend you sit down and talk to her. Tell her it's pathetic and enraging how she's riskingit all for the thrill of getting fucked. Can no one else take care of the children? Tell her what they told me: it's not her life, those that love her have invested part of themselves in her, depend on her, she has a duty to live. Maybe she's depressed and thus wants the excitement? maybe she's insecure? is she a single mom? substance abuse problems?

[Dr Mindbender]

I think its time to start a leftist motorcycle club.

[Dogs On Acid]

Now I'm just pissed off. What kind of person still does that as a mother? has she no consideration for her children? Fuck, must restrain myself...

I recommend you sit down and talk to her. Tell her it's pathetic and enraging how she's riskingit all for the thrill of getting fucked. Can no one else take care of the children? Tell her what they told me: it's not her life, those that love her have invested part of themselves in her, depend on her, she has a duty to live. Maybe she's depressed and thus wants the excitement? maybe she's insecure? is she a single mom? substance abuse problems?

Single mum, depression and hormonal issues, on happy pills.

[Dogs On Acid]

I think its time to start a leftist motorcycle club.

I'm all for that, let me go get my 125cc and we'll meet for a beer

[Principia Ethica]

Well, okay if you were referring to the Confederate flag. In this case, many people from Europe who fly it do not refer to the political positions derived from the American Civil War. It's a cultural thing, as others have pointed out, a matter of rock culture (for reasons not clear to me).Though, there is a possibility of conscious use with regard to racist views.

As far as the term "redneck" is concerned, please take into account that English is not my first language, and I'm not superbly familiar with the use of the term in American public discourse, but I was under the impression that no one would seriously use it when referring to rich people who are bigots (except American leftists?). Maybe I'm confusing it with "white trash".

I think different regions in the US use the term "redneck" differently. When I lived in California, the term was used as a derogatory slur against Southerners in general. The connotation was that all (white) people from the south were uneducated/backwards/unprogressive/unenlightened.

In the south, it's more of a quick/abbreviated way to describe someones (usually white) beliefs. Not all poor white people in the south are rednecks and not all poor white people who live in a trailer are rednecks. Rednecks generally have a specific set of beliefs (the south will rise again, speak in terms of the mason-dixon line, fly the confederate flag. . .everywhere, have specific racial views.) So it's a term that isn't used as a slur necessarily, most rednecks self identify as such and are proud of it.

If someone told me a particular area I might be visiting is "redneck". . .that tells me to be careful. . .

[danyboy27]

has psycho said, discuss with your mom of the situation.
If it dosnt work, stay the fuck away from the guy, and if anything fucked up happen leave(if you are old enough) or contact the social service for assistance.

Dont try to argues with the guy, dont try to confront him, dont even try to debate with him.

take care of yourself.

[Dogs On Acid]

has psycho said, discuss with your mom of the situation.
If it dosnt work, stay the fuck away from the guy, and if anything fucked up happen leave(if you are old enough) or contact the social service for assistance.

Dont try to argues with the guy, dont try to confront him, dont even try to debate with him.

take care of yourself.

Thanks dany, I will

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I think its time to start a leftist motorcycle club.
I like the Dykes On Bikes and the Lesbian Avengers.

[La Comédie Noire]

You probably shouldn't engage him in politics and should convince your mom not to date him. As a general rule you should always feel someone out before you discuss politics because like it or not their are some really mean people out there.

[LegendZ]

I removed the identifying picture, motorcycle gang members, especially these kind are not to be messed with.

I would advice you to have an good "i fear for your safety" talk with your mum, don't spend time on the fascist symbolism, its probably not even that important to the gang members themselves. Focus on the horible track record of women abuse, forced prostitution, rape, hard drug dealing etc.This is good but there's always the chance she would go into denial about it and defend him. The infamous "He's different" line. If it were to get to the point where you knew he was abusing her, and you couldn't do anything about it or she was defending him. The best you could do is buy a camera and hide it. Hope it catches something. Maybe hide so his guys don't come to "clean up".

p.s. For the motor cycle club we should name ourselces Castro's Chopper Club.

[Euronymous]

Talk to him. Be like "Sup broseph!?" and just talk to him in a friendly manner. If he's a fascist then I would think it would be apparent if you engage in conversation about world war II movies and rock music. Just because he's in a gang with nazi iconography doesn't mean he has the same distinct views. You never know, he might just be in it for the lulz.



p.s. For the motor cycle club we should name ourselces Castro's Chopper Club.

I like "The Resisty!".

[Susurrus]

I agree with Euronymous. We shouldn't jump to conclusions about this fellow. He might not even know about 88 and the Totenknopf, most people don't.

Oh, and I think the leftist bike club should be, get ready for this, the "Hammer and Cycles"

[praxis1966]

While I disagree with engaging this guy on a political level, I also think that FT ain't gonna make a whole helluva lot of headway trying to convince his mother of anything either. He can try, but it seems to me that it'll probably go either one of two ways: She'll either guilt trip him with the age old, "But don't you care at all about my happiness?" or she'll just dismiss him altogether, "What the fuck do you know, you're a child anyway."

Nope, the best thing you can do, FT, is just stay the fuck out of this guy's way, keep conversations to small talk, and report his ass if he does anything untoward. There's no sense in putting yourself or your mother (yes, she'll get dragged into it as well if I know the type at all) in any danger...

As for the leftist bike gang name, Resisty and Castro's Chopper Club both suck.... I'm going with either The Kronstadt Killers (but maybe that's a little sectarian, lulz) or Black Hammers Red Fists.

[Dogs On Acid]

The Kronstadt Killers

This.

Or perhaps: Black Hammer Union

[danyboy27]

Talk to him. Be like "Sup broseph!?" and just talk to him in a friendly manner. If he's a fascist then I would think it would be apparent if you engage in conversation about world war II movies and rock music. Just because he's in a gang with nazi iconography doesn't mean he has the same distinct views. You never know, he might just be in it for the lulz.




I like "The Resisty!".

no.

[Dr Mindbender]

The brainstorming of names is all nice and cute but i'm guessing back in the land of practicality its never going to happen. I doubt 90% of this forum population have either the finance or physique for a big chopper motorcycle.

[Dogs On Acid]

The brainstorming of names is all nice and cute but i'm guessing back in the land of practicality its never going to happen. I doubt 90% of this forum population have either the finance or physique for a big chopper motorcycle.

Hey we can ride scooters like the Mods, stop hatin'

[Dr Mindbender]

Hey we can ride scooters like the Mods, stop hatin'

Look what happened to the mods.

Nuff said.

[Dogs On Acid]

Look what happened to the mods.

Nuff said.

Good point.

[OhYesIdid]

wait, what did happen to the mods?

In the end, though, I guess it depends on your gauging of the guy.

[Feodor Augustus]

My mum wants to fuck a Fascist

Well a problem shared is a problem halved...

Does you mum have any friends you would feel comfortable discussing this with? Because while you may get some good advice here, if you could tell a friend (or family member, for that matter) about this and have them either talk to your mother for you, or talk to her with you, then that may help to stop this guy from becoming a permanent part of your mothers life.

Good luck, I don't envy you. :(

[Dogs On Acid]

Well a problem shared is a problem halved...

Does you mum have any friends you would feel comfortable discussing this with? Because while you may get some good advice here, if you could tell a friend (or family member, for that matter) about this and have them either talk to your mother for you, or talk to her with you, then that may help to stop this guy from becoming a permanent part of your mothers life.

Good luck, I don't envy you. :(

I don't really want to talk about her sex life with other people (here it's anonymous so I don't mind), but thanks anyway.

We have more of a best-friend relationship than mother-son, so we are open about sex and drugs. Most people find it weird.

[bailey_187]

does your mum know your political views and (judging from ur profile) that ur a member of the Portugese Communist Party?

[Dogs On Acid]

does your mum know your political views and (judging from ur profile) that ur a member of the Portugese Communist Party?

Yes and she's started to sympathise with Communism because of it. She's really open minded.

Awesome mum I have

[Dr Mindbender]

Back on topic:

Why not set your mum up with a lefty guy?

I dare say on this forum alone you could have a veritable stampede of potential suitors.

Problem solved.

[Dr Mindbender]

wait, what did happen to the mods?



The rockers kicked their arses.

They mustve done cause i have vivid childhood memories of the rockers but not of the mods. This was the mid 80's.

[Dogs On Acid]

The rockers kicked their arses.

They mustve done cause i have vivid childhood memories of the rockers but not of the mods. This was the mid 80's.

The mods died and many became skinheads. The rockers became modern-day bikers and metal-heads.

[Dogs On Acid]

Back on topic:

Why not set your mum up with a lefty guy?

I dare say on this forum alone you could have a veritable stampede of potential suitors.

Problem solved.

She's 38 with 2 kids and unemployed with no social benefits from the state. Not many guys would want a permanent-relationship with her, even though she's attractive (was a model).

Anyway it's up to her to choose a partner, as long as it doesn't bring problems.

[OhYesIdid]

There ought to be an interested leftie.
Wait, I read on a thread here that not all Skinheads are bad, so why is that a problem? Why not become a socialist oi biker club?

[Dogs On Acid]

There ought to be an interested leftie.
Wait, I read on a thread here that not all Skinheads are bad, so why is that a problem? Why not become a socialist oi biker club?

Oi! Skinheads tend to be Working Class Populist/Nationalist I think.

[OhYesIdid]

Oi! Skinheads tend to be Nationalist.

oh...neo-oi?

[Robocommie]

She's 38 with 2 kids and unemployed with no social benefits from the state.

Wow, Portugal's social programs suck.

[Robocommie]

Yep but if it means you avoid her dating a potential bonehead then surely its a matter of mutual interest.

Plus you'd be giving a chance to a lovelorn comrade to sew his oats.

Wtf, are you trying to mack on this guy's mom?

[-marx-]

Well the gang does have the Nazi Skull and Bones used in the SS Totenkopf divisions...

So do the Melvins (lead guitarist is Jewish) and Slayer on some of the album art and on their shirts etc but none of them are fascists.

If we (as humans) can't use the Totenkopf insignia or Runes or swastika ever again then the Nazis have won after all because all that symbolism was around long before the SS and NSDAP.

Here's a Melvins shirt, (and remember, Buzz, the guitarist/vocalist, is Jewish) it's an outright rip off of one of the NSDAP's eagles, even uses a Fraktur font.
http://melvins.cinderblock.com/media/catalog/product/cache/40/image/550x300/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/e/mel-0118.jpg

I have this shirt and wear it with no problems. Fuck fascists and what they have done.

More Melvins stuff: (anyone that calls the Melvins or Slayer fascists don't know what the fuck they are on about!)

http://nerdcityonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/melvins.jpg

http://i43.tower.com/images/mm106346229/singles-1-12-melvins-cd-cover-art.jpg

http://tshirtslayer.com/files-tshirt/imagecache/shirtview/DSCF1943_0.JPG


The Melvins blatantly rip off the nazis imagery, so what. It was never the nazis to begin with, it was Europe's and Germany's.The Iron Cross is not a Nazi symbol either, it is still used today by the Bundeswehr and has been used since 1813.
I know many a biker uses these symbols, probably for the same reasons bands do, theatre, props and shock value.

:D

[Susurrus]

Not to mention who used it before the nazis...

http://fotoforum.fr/photos/2009/12/10.70.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Anarkistimatruuseja.jpg

[Dogs On Acid]

Hey if he doeskin want her bunking up with a fash its one way to prevent it!

Im spoken for, I'm not offering or anything! :lol:

Quit it. I've told you once about the disgusting jokes. You risk getting an infraction on your ass.

[PhoenixAsh]

It is a European organisation. "We" tend to see the rebel flag outside its historical connotation...mainly because it looks cool and is associated with rebellion....The Rebels..."we" generally look no further than that. Which is not to say some nationalists and racists do not know exactly what it is about and use it precisely because of that historical reason.

I have asked around and the Rockers Klan originates from Italy and has spread from there to England and then to other parts of Europe. According to some friends they are not entirely fascist but do have fascist sympathies. They are definately racially biassed....but as far as anybody is aware they do not engage much in political activism and generally focuss on the music and expanding their clubs. As I mentioned before...SF does not mention them. Or at least...I could not find anything on there about them.

So on the basis of that I took a closer look at their website.

From their home page:

On rock and roll:


most successful in Nashville, the capital of white music


Therefore, the rockers are born as a response to social degeneration, drugs, unemployment, immigration, problems still existing!


On the symbols:

the second thing was the creation of a symbol to distinguish ourselves from the other, a Tote Kopf, dominated from two flags, to the left the Confederated flag of the States of the South of U.S.A., and on the right the Italian flag; naturally the choice of these symbols is not casual!



They seem, to focus on the 50's and reject modern culture and individualism. They are anti-abortion; pro-life; pro-spirituality; pro-family; anti-homosexual; anti-capitalism; naturalism and natural law and the continuation from old traditions....and to top it off they refer extensively to Tolkien.

At least that is what I comprehend from their little rant. I might be completely off because one...I read very little Italian and google translate sucks at coherency. So either they completely dislike everything above...or they like it a lot. Somebody who speaks Italian should read that site.

The fact remains that they idolise White music...which they mention several times throughout their sites...and they dislike immigration and immigrants.

I also skipped through their facebook account and any non closed off facebook account of members or those tagged in pictures and more than one has a picture which states: "Love your race" somewhere in their facebook sites. I have seen no other specific Nazi symbols...other than the totenkopf and the usual ironcrosses...often with oakleaved totnkopfs in them; as far as I can see nobody makes the Hitler greeting in pictures. But they do wave a lot of Rebel flags. I have seen a lot of tats and though they are usually not clear or extensive I have seen no Swastika's or SS-runes etc.

Their style is 50's rock and roll....think Fonzie...only worse.

[Dogs On Acid]

Great info hindsight.

From what I can tell they are racial separatists/white culture/nationalists and anti-immigration. Maybe not full-blown Fascists but very reactionary...

[Sir Comradical]

put in a secret camera and upload the results to pornhub.

We are talking about a fellow RLer's mother you know. In any case this thread and it's title especially is tactless to say the least.

[Dogs On Acid]

We are talking about a fellow RLer's mother you know. In any case this thread and it's title especially is tactless to say the least.

The title is fine. And the thread has good info.

[heyjoe]

Psycho is right, be careful with this guy. Hells Angels arent in it for the laughs. They are organized crime with a sadistic twist. 1% ers are really big into intimidating people which they get off on and which they take as respect and if they think you arent respecting them there can be big problems. They use other people until there is no more to use up. Reach out to your mother, explain to her your feelings about the pitfalls and the fact about a 10 year old being involved and how it cant end up well in the long run. Thats about all you can do at this point.

[Comrade Crow]

You could always by her a rape-ex product and a 50 cal. S&W.

Past that, I would take Psycho's advice (as funny as that sounds). My sympathies mate, I could only imagine how maddening this must be for you.

[praxis1966]

This post constitutes a verbal warning to Dr Mindbender for this collection (http://www.revleft.com/vb/spammety-spam-t158048/index.html?t=158048) of spam.

[Comrade Crow]

I can't speak for motorcycle gangs in Europe but in America, the majority have historical and real ties to a lot of reactionaries and have been connected with the klan, fascists, white-racist prison gangs, etc. The use of the totenkopf could very well signify that they, at least symbolically, have ties to fascism, racism, etc. It's not something I would just rule out because the Melvins, Anarchists and pirates have used the skull and cross bones too.

[khad]

Actually, since a verbal warning was already given, an infraction is warranted. I'll do it now.

[khad]

They seem, to focus on the 50's and reject modern culture and individualism. They are anti-abortion; pro-life; pro-spirituality; pro-family; anti-homosexual; anti-capitalism; naturalism and natural law and the continuation from old traditions....and to top it off they refer extensively to Tolkien.
Tolkien+Italian? It is confirmed. They are HARDCORE Fash. Tolkien has been OFFICIAL propaganda for the Italian neofascist movement for more than 3 decades.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ideazione.com%2Fsettimanale%2Fn umeri_speciali%2Fspeciale_Tolkien%2Fvivenzio.htm&act=url

There's even a far right band called Compagnia dell'Annello (Fellowship of the Ring)

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.compagniadellanello.net%2Fstori a.htm&act=url

More here. Apparently hobbit camps were springboards for right wing careers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massimo_Morsello


Massimo Morsello (10 November 1958, Rome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome) – 10 March 2001) was an Italian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy) far-right (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right) political activist and singer-songwriter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singer-songwriter). He was the main figure of Italian far-right political music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_and_politics) and, with Roberto Fiore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Fiore), a co-founder of the Italian neofascist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neofascism) movement Forza Nuova (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forza_Nuova).

In 1975, at the age of 16, he joined the Italian post-fascist party Movimento Sociale Italiano (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movimento_Sociale_Italiano). He became a member of the juvenile political association Fronte della Gioventù (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fronte_della_Giovent%C3%B9&action=edit&redlink=1) and, although not attending a university, joined FUAN (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=FUAN&action=edit&redlink=1), an organization of right-wing university students. FUAN was less dependent on parliamentary politics than other organizations, and it was something of a thinktank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinktank) of the Italian far-right youth in the late 1970s. During the so-called "Anni di Piombo" or Lead Years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension) he became involved in various violent episodes and is thought to have possibly been a member of the neofascist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neofascism) terrorist organization Nuclei Armati Rivoluzionari (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclei_Armati_Rivoluzionari). He was sentenced to 9 years and 6 months for crimes related to terrorism.

In these years he also began his career as a musician, with his first performance being at the first Hobbit Camp (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hobbit_Camps&action=edit&redlink=1). He gained the nickname Massimino among the far-right members of Italian society."Tolkien helped design our value system," says Italian fascist minister:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/fascists-take-heart-from-hobbit-revival-663838.html


The release of the blockbuster film The Lord of the Rings has stirred turbulent political sentiments in Italy. For the fortysomethings of Alleanza Nazionale (AN), the right-wing party in government, J R R Tolkien and his cast of elves and hobbits are as much a part of their political property as Che Guevara was for the left-wing. So much so that AN members of parliament and sympathisers held their own private première of the film.

Attending the private screening were the cabinet ministers Giovanni Alemanno and Maurizio Gasparri. Mr Alemanno, the Agriculture Minister, said: "I feel I am a hobbit who has got hold of the ring of power and doesn't know quite what to do with it." Mr Gasparri, the Telecommunications Minister, added: "Tolkien helped design our value system."

Tolkien was adopted by the MSI (Movimento Sociale Italiano), the heirs of Mussolini's Fascist party, in 1977 in an effort to give its young supporters a sense of identity beyond Fascist nostalgia. Celtic crosses aloft, the movement ran the first Hobbit Camp, a cross between boy scout jamboree and a paramilitary camp.

[khad]

http://nerdcityonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/melvins.jpg


The Melvins blatantly rip off the nazis imagery, so what. It was never the nazis to begin with, it was Europe's and Germany's.The Iron Cross is not a Nazi symbol either, it is still used today by the Bundeswehr and has been used since 1813.
I know many a biker uses these symbols, probably for the same reasons bands do, theatre, props and shock value.

:D


Not to mention who used it before the nazis...

http://fotoforum.fr/photos/2009/12/10.70.jpg


What is it with you idiots? Are you blind? Those aren't SS Totenkopf symbols. These are:

https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/71155_60682826706_7869445_n.jpg

http://historywarsweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/image/SS_Totenkopf.JPG

I will consider any more posting of this contrarian garbage trolling, since it stated on their website that they are using the SS Totenkopf divisional emblem.

[praxis1966]

Picture posts (http://www.revleft.com/vb/more-spam-t158049/index.html?t=158049) without any context are considered spam in Non-Poli. This post constitutes a verbal warning to #FF0000 for spam.

[-marx-]

This is the official SS-Totenkopf insignia from 1923-34 And SS Panzer insignia till 1945:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/SS_Totenkopf_1923-34.gif

And this one below is 1934-1945 so no, I am not an idiot! I am correct! I wouldn't even bother replying be it for your unwarranted insult due entirely to your own ignorance.

http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/Ecc_0bSspq8/0.jpg

There are more variations as well. The "totenkopf divisional insignia" was only used by one division, the 3rd SS panzer division. Their insignia is the deaths head in a shield. Other than that the deathshead was used by many other units, only not in a shield.

[khad]

This is the official SS-Totenkopf insignia from 1923-34 And SS Panzer insignia till 1945:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/SS_Totenkopf_1923-34.gif

The Nazis weren't in power until 1933, and even then SS-Totenkopfverbände was not formed until 1934. 3rd SS Totenkopf Division was founded in 1939.


There are more variations as well. The "totenkopf divisional insignia" was only used by one division, the 3rd SS panzer division. Their insignia is the deaths head in a shield. Other than that the deathshead was used by many other units, only not in a shield.

And the Rockers Klan uses insignia specific to the 3rd SS Totenkopf Division (Full skull, 3/4 view left, femurs crossed behind jaw). There is none other like it:

https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/71155_60682826706_7869445_n.jpg

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/2748/ssschtze11vx.jpg

This is your final warning to get this off topic crap out of this thread.

[PhoenixAsh]

@FightTogether

Have you met this guy? Do you know what sort of person he is?

[Susurrus]

Tolkien+Italian? It is confirmed. They are HARDCORE Fash. Tolkien has been OFFICIAL propaganda for the Italian neofascist movement for more than 3 decades.



What. Whaaaaaaaaaat. I am consumed with rage. This is blasphemy. (Although the image of the fellowship riding motorcycles is quite amusing)

[bcbm]

we've got the toten kopf, confederate and italian flags and "klan" right in the name, how was this even an issue?:confused:

[Catmatic Leftist]

I translated the home page of the website:





The movement that revolves around the r'n'r has several facets, which are distinguished from one another for clothing, thinking, musical tastes (always generis) etc. ..

This diversity is accentuated definitely out of the peninsula, in fact, Italy experienced an abnormal situation in the sense that: Jivers, Rockabillies, Teddy Boys and Rockers are all seen as the only thing. This condition distorts the movements in their singularity, namely Teds and Rockers, are linked to 50 years for social reasons. Leaving aside the Rockabilly music, stylized and cleared of r'n'r born in America between 1955 and 1959, riscutendo most successful in Nashville, the capital of white music. The r'n'r for rockers was opposed to the emerging New Age (still in its infancy) that is well disguised behind the psychedelic, no accident that the disagreements with the mods. Therefore, the rockers are born as a response to social degeneration, drugs, unemployment, immigration, problems still existing!

On this basis, was born in 1997 in Trento Rockers Klan, a group of rockers from the idea of ​​living in the city council.

For some time we felt the need to give and do more for the rocker movement, hitherto misunderstood - to make it short we wanted to give a vacant body, a soul!

... So, what to do? - The simplest thing, to follow in the footsteps that led rockers in England to give birth at Club 59, but in the original and purest form, one that made the story of the notorious "Ton-up boys".

The first thing done was the establishment of a Regulation on which stick, the next step was the creation of a symbol that we distinguish the plurality, in this case a skull topped by two flags, the Confederate flag on the left of the Southern states united, the Italian flag on the right.

How we imagined and we wanted to, the initiative would not be limited in our geographical area (Trentino), in fact there has been the accession of rockers from all parts of Italy, which as we felt the need to feel men.

After several years of settlement has been reached to have a hard core, which forms the current "frame" of the Rockers Klan.

The 'activities carried out by us in these years before the eyes of all those who follow the rock'n'roll 50s, was a succession of festivals and concerts, with dozens and dozens of live bands come from all over esibitisi Europe, playing the best rock and roll that can be heard in circulation, reaching its peak with our annual gathering. In over our meetings were marked by raids on a motorcycle and not, throughout Europe in search of good rock'n'roll.

Currently, the Rockers Klan as well as in Italy is in England, Finland, Portugal, Hungary, Spain, Switzerland and France.

In addition, the Klan has created a fanzine titled "REBEL 88", clear the settings Rockers Klan here's a brief introduction:

It 'a widespread belief, it is true, that there are different cultures, and not just one, several, I repeat, and even contradict each other. This means that the educational and journalistic simplifications, which continue at the bottom of the traditional culture tout court identified with fascism and its transformation, does not correspond to historical truth. Because in reality, fortunately, the story does not begin and does not end with the twentieth century, with its wars and its horrors. It should also look to our past, the previous world, the communes and cathedrals, the Corporations of the trades and maritime republics, the Council of Trent and the scientific revolution ... Looking to the deep roots, those which, as Tolkien writes, " never freeze ": this is precisely the characteristic of a certain right, the more attractive, more modern, more real, which does not reject modernity to obtuse traditionalism but even the idolized and sanctifies, in all its aspects. Modernity means it technology, medicine, comfort and positive earnings, but manipulation of life, abuse, consumerism, the dictatorship of the market, globalization ...

This right has its first human vision, a vision that comes from centuries of history. The man to see the company, the world and the man is fascinating, Of glory, as the medieval saying, for his extraordinary ability to understand, to know, intelligible, that is read in ("in- tus bind ") to things. The man has always observed the sky and the stars, the grass and the earthworm, the infinitely great, and the perfection of the immensely small. The man, above all, aspire to happiness and there tends in many ways, even wrong, wrong, catastrophic. If wrong to identify it, then here is killing, stealing, violent nature, or the next, in the name of this happiness. For the man who will define traditional, there is a path, a road, a task, an order that man should strive to meet this happiness, happiness partial, incomplete, but also beautiful, even at times in this life ; Delight only in another, when the misery and human limitations will be removed, filled, filled by a greater goodness, when we are "beyond the walls of this world" (Tolkien). This means that there must be rules, not only the duties and rights: the order that guarantees our happiness, our good life, is called the law, divine law and natural law. The man who becomes the absolute arbiter, creator of the laws from time to time, is a terrible dictator who violates an existing order, independent of him, above him, intangible: the law that says do not kill the innocent is not a convention , that they can change, mutate, depending on the time and place, otherwise the man, the strongest, man becomes a tyrant. This concept is called the right man, with contempt, reactionary, conservative, as if to acknowledge a reality meant simply to keep, stay still, almost to preserve their integrity, their affections, their principles, not the most eventful and difficult, always new, it really is. For this man does not pass, therefore, freedom from libertinism, from doing what you want, how you want, when you want, from creating the right from time to time: it passes from remaining faithful to what it is, its task, the its purpose. One is free when one realizes one's own humanity, and not, when we withdrew, losing in front of the bestiality of their instincts: the modern culture, virtually foreign to the eighteenth century European history, claiming instead, such as freedom, that is, as realization of man, the nihilism, the use of drugs, the killing of babies in the womb, embryo experimentation, the "marriage" homosexual, euthanasia ... claims more extreme selfishness, which justifies the killing of a child by abortion or unplanned, in the name of a hypertrophic and I so foolish as to self-proclaimed god. In fact, for the modern man is only matter in motion, and as such physical and economic needs, only: if the material order, the economic structure is the "right" man is automatically happy. Spiritual needs are not covered, joys and sorrows of the soul, but only the consequences of different economic systems. So the enemy becomes only the external other, the bourgeois, the rich, the wrong social class, the inner life of the individual, his spirit, his will divided between the choice of good and evil, that is the basic struggle for progress staff, simply do not exist. For this reason a man can kill (abortion) or kill (droga. ..): progress is only the masses, the masses, not the individual. The modernist vision also, and utopian: the individual and neglects the family, which, if anything, become synonymous with selfishness and closed in the name of mass, Social Class, State, in the name of a new reality, that there is , to be built by destroying the present and placing in the future, here on earth, the total happiness and complete. The vision of the tradition is instead defined as a realist. It takes account of the initial data of reality, the existence of the individual, unique and unrepeatable, and the family, the first natural society, and basic cell of society as a whole: protecting the individual, since its inception and does not permit abortion ; protect the family as a natural, and does not contemplate the possibility of overthrow or overcome by delivering the children, as children, gay couples, singles or in other experiments against nature. Does not understand the concept of mass, as a union of people united only by economic status, work, from material needs, but enhances the community and country, a concrete link, physical and spiritual, of faith, history, culture, places, emotional ties ... "Our country, for us, - wrote De Charette, the Jacobins - are our villages, our altars, our tombs, all that our fathers loved before us. Our homeland is our faith , our land .. But what is their home for them? Do you understand this you? ... They have it in the brain, we feel under your feet ... ". The tradition is thus antithetical to liberalism, but also to so-called secular right, or capitalist, which differ technically, the economic vision, by liberalism, but will coincide for the common vision of man: both materialistic, both supporters of the only reality homo economicus, crushed in the mass, or more extreme individualism atomized and isolated (right-hand lay. liberal-capitalist). Homo economicus oppose the normal man, according to the definition of Chesterton: "I'm normal in the correct sense of the word: it means accepting an order, a Creator and creation, have a common sense of gratitude towards the creation, consider the life and love as durable goods, marriage and chivalry as laws that control them, and approve the rest of the common traditions of our people and our religion. "
PS

Can anyone make any sense of this? :confused:

[Dogs On Acid]

@FightTogether

Have you met this guy? Do you know what sort of person he is?

I met him once last year but I had no knowledge of his background. He's my mother's ex (a biker and body-builder, but a good guy and social-democrat) best friend.

[praxis1966]

I translated the home page of the website:



Can anyone make any sense of this? :confused:

Yeah, they're total fucking fascists... All that business about "natural beauty", "natural order," looking to the medieval but also making reference to the Scientific Revolution, lamenting man's place in the postmodern world... Textbook stuff, really.

[Lanky Wanker]

LMAO I'm sorry but this is hilarious. A fascist biker gang that has its own little skull flag... this is beyond hilarious.

[RedAnarchist]

As this thread is a few months old, I'm going to close it.