Wali Karzai Killed (Good News for the Left)

[khad]

Every now and then, a bit of good news comes our way. I'll be very interested to see how the Karzai clan fares now. Even with all of the Karzais' vote rigging, a respected former Parchami general came in second in the previous Kandahar election.

Next step is for the UNF to depose Hamid and then itself split among Islamists and social-dem types. The left has been in hiding so long that this is probably the only chance to foster the conditions for their reactivation.

Aah, one can dream.

Meanwhile, you can enjoy the death of this bastard drug lord:

http://news.antiwar.com/2011/07/12/wali-karzai-half-brother-of-afghan-president-slain-in-kandahar/


In an incident likely to have huge reverberations far beyond the region, Kandahar Provincial Council Chairman and half-brother of President Hamid Karzai, Ahmed Wali Karzai has been assassinated today.

Wali Karzai’s death will likely prove a massive shift in political power in the nation’s restive southwest, as his family’s enormous influence made him the de facto governor of the province, as well as reportedly a major player in drug trafficking in the region.

His death came early in the morning and he was slain by Mohammed Sardar, a commander in the Afghan National Police and reportedly a long-time family friend. Officials said the killing was related to a personal dispute.

[danyboy27]

was he really that important? i mean, he didnt had any parents or relative that will take back control of his drug buisness?

geniune question btw.

[Jose Gracchus]

If there is anything I am sure of, it is that we can count on the outcome of some bar fight or duel to precipitate better conditions for the working class. What a noble role for the left to take upon itself, cheerleading such events. Why, a military officer (who won't call himself a communist anymore) has some popularity, why not tail him and hope he wins a bourgeois election by default now.

[Sir Comradical]

Do you think it was a Taliban ordered political assassination or just the end of a petty dispute?

[Sir Comradical]

If there is anything I am sure of, it is that we can count on the outcome of some bar fight or duel to precipitate better conditions for the working class. What a noble role for the left to take upon itself, cheerleading such events. Why, a military officer (who won't call himself a communist anymore) has some popularity, why not tail him and hope he wins a bourgeois election by default now.

Assassinations like this have the potential to trigger mass uprisings against occupying forces, that's why they're important.

[khad]

Absolutely, we should support this. Also, the whining of western ultraleft posers is like music to my ears.

So long as the Karzais remain, the entire Afghan political opposition is united front against them. Only when they are gone will true political differences be articulated and confronted.

All this shows is how clueless people here are to how politics actually work. Any potential rupture in the solidarity of the ruling class can only be a good thing.

[Jose Gracchus]

Neg-rep from you and your ilk is like rep from decent human beings. I also like the opportunistic "Western" remark, like you are surely posting from the jungles of Indonesia or the deserts outside Tripoli :rolleyes:

How is this bar fight likely to cause the "downfall" of the Karzai clan? Sounds like you're substituting wishful thinking for analysis. And of course this is just another excuse to put off things to some indeterminate future in favor of the Popular Front.

EDIT: Now the outcome of the bar fight is a potential "rupture in the solidarity of the ruling class"? LOL okay

[black magick hustla]

Also, the whining of western ultraleft posers is like music to my ears.

dawgggggg, not much different than western stalinists living vicariously through third world violence and internet secret police roleplaying

[KC]

Absolutely, we should support this.

And your support amounts to, what, posting it on revleft? Going and holding a "hands off Afghanistan" rally? Who cares?

[Jose Gracchus]

When Cheney shot that rich old guy in the face, was that a "potential rupture in the solidarity of the ruling class"?

[Revy]

No political party [in Afghanistan] is permitted to exist that advocates anything that is deemed to go against Islamic morality.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Afghanistan

Can you smell the freedom?:rolleyes:

[khad]

When Cheney shot that rich old guy in the face, was that a "potential rupture in the solidarity of the ruling class"?
If Bush and/or his power broker Cheyney had been mysteriously eliminated from the equation, maybe all the so-called progressive left wouldn't have just jumped aboard the Kerry bandwagon without looking. Look where fixating on Bush hate brought the US.

The Karzais hold such a grip over the Afghan political scene that everyone from islamists to former parchamis are united against them, along with their respective constituencies.

The rupture in the ruling class I'm talking about is the rupture of the opposition front UNF, which is just about everyone who hates Hamid Karzai. And if Hamid gets deposed, then people can start caring about political questions that actually matter.

[danyboy27]

When Cheney shot that rich old guy in the face, was that a "potential rupture in the solidarity of the ruling class"?

With all due respect, your exemple isnt really appropriate.

The guy was a druglord and a warlord, he had a lot of influence over a lot of thing, his death could potentially mean a power struggle.

We will see on the long term the effect such action will have on the country.

[Jose Gracchus]

If Bush and/or his power broker Cheyney had been mysteriously eliminated from the equation, maybe all the so-called progressive left wouldn't have just jumped aboard the Kerry bandwagon without looking. Look where fixating on Bush hate brought the US.

The Karzais hold such a grip over the Afghan political scene that everyone from islamists to former parchamis are united against them, along with their respective constituencies.

The rupture in the ruling class I'm talking about is the rupture of the opposition front UNF, which is just about everyone who hates Hamid Karzai. And if Hamid gets deposed, then people can start caring about political questions that actually matter.

This excursion into Diplomacy by Henry Kissinger is really interesting and totally kool bro, but I'm wondering if you could locate the "progressive bourgeoisie" you're essentially banking on in class terms, that would be the base of any progressive change from the (presumably) comprador-neo-colonial Karzai regime.

I don't see any intrinsic reasons to suspect that the Karzais' death from accident, assassination, bar fight, or the like necessarily would be reflected in the recomposition of a more progressive regime. It could easily be just as bad, or worse. What reason do we have to bank on that?

[Os Cangaceiros]

If Bush and/or his power broker Cheyney had been mysteriously eliminated from the equation, maybe all the so-called progressive left wouldn't have just jumped aboard the Kerry bandwagon without looking. Look where fixating on Bush hate brought the US.

I doubt it, though...Bush and/or Cheney dying wouldn't lead to the shifting of the USA's political paradigms.

(And of course there's the question of whether having the "progressive left" on "our" side is really beneficial.)

[~Spectre]

My favorite parts of this exchange so far:

-Citing someone's polling in a rigged election.

-Claiming all the Bush centrism was bad, and then saying things would've been better had Bush and Cheney been assassinated.

Sometimes people go through the silliest of gymnastics to justify some inherent psychological thrill that they get from an event like this.

[CynicalIdealist]

It's one thing to say you're supportive of an assassination of a capitalist or a political leader, a tactic that isn't that effective itself. It's a whole different ballgame if you say that ON BEHALF OF THE WORKING CLASS WE SHOULD SUPPORT KARZAI'S BROTHER GETTING KILLED IN A BAR FIGHT. :laugh:

I think khad would feel differently about this had the U.S./NATO killed him.