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I'm just wondering how a world without countries would work. While I do very much support the international idea, I have always been greatly interested in countries, people, history, etc. and I don't want countries to
lose their identity. Is this too nationalist?
Tommy4ever
12th July 2011, 10:03
No. Internationalism is really an idea of a brotherhood amongst nations - which clearly insinuates that there are nations themselves (cultural and linguistic blocs really).
So I wouldn't say so. Depends how far you go, some people use the same, rather innocent, language you are using for extreme nationalism and racism ...
Savage
12th July 2011, 10:46
No. Internationalism is really an idea of a brotherhood amongst nations
Internationalism is really an axiomatic communist position that emphasizes the necessity for working class revolution to overcome capital globally, rather than submitting to nationalist principles which are doomed to reaction.
I think you'll have to elaborate on how you don't believe a world without nations would work.
Tommy4ever
12th July 2011, 10:47
Internationalism means between nations.
Savage
12th July 2011, 10:53
You've already said that, I replied, you need to refute the point that I made rather than repeating yourself.
Jimmie Higgins
12th July 2011, 11:18
Ironically it was the rise of capitalist nation-states that saw a reduction of cultural differences in regions. Most of the European nation-states modernized by getting rid of various patois and instituting a standardized national language and national eduction programs designed to promote the idea that there is a shared national culture corresponding the the state-borders rather than regional and cultural traditions.
I think there would still be regional and cultural diversity under worker's power in a stateless society... in fact these traditions would develop more "naturally" and according to their own logic rather than being pushed ruling classes that need a certain level of conformity and "shared (bourgeois) values".
Also workers wouldn't need the other thing capitalism uses nationalism for: demonizing other groups of workers and other poor people in war-time.
To clarify, when I said "how would a world w/o countries work," I really meant will the current countries lose their identities
Comrade Crow
12th July 2011, 19:53
I'm just wondering how a world without countries would work. While I do very much support the international idea, I have always been greatly interested in countries, people, history, etc. and I don't want countries to
lose their identity. Is this too nationalist?
How would it work? I would see it as being a democratic federation of either collectives or worker's states. Why would it matter so much if they lost their "national identity"? No, I don't think the revolution would do away with national languages like French, German, whatever, etc. and other such things that could and probably would be rehabilitated into the new worker's state or Anarchist federations but vestiges of imperialism, capitalism, nationalism, and other such reactionary things, I don't see why these should be kept around, tolerated or even wanted, for that matter.
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