Crux
11th July 2011, 11:55
I don't know if this is old news to everyone but:
Rosa Lichtenstein
After an exchange of emails with an entity on the internet called Rosa Lichtenstein, I came to the conclusion that Rosa is actually a computer program that uses Artificial Intelligence (AI) techniques pretending to be a human being. The full exchange of emails is included below (http://www.socialiststeve.me.uk/rosa.htm#emails); the message Rosa sent which particularly led me to believe that she is an AI program can be read by clicking here (http://www.socialiststeve.me.uk/rosa.htm#AI).
If I am correct in my belief that Rosa is an AI program, she is one of the most sophisticated and impressive programs ever developed. Until I exposed her, Rosa appears to have passed the Turing Test in being indistinguishable from a human being! Rosa has a website, @nti-dialectics (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l), in which she argues against the Marxist theory of dialectical materialism (DM), has sent messages to various forums on the internet (including RevLeft (http://www.revleft.com/), the revolutionary left forum she mentioned in her emails, on which she has posted over 5,000 messages in two years at an average of seven a day) and communicates via email.
I wanted to find out if anybody else had realised that Rosa is an AI program, so I searched the internet for "Rosa Lichtenstein" "artificial intelligence" at Google (with quotes indicating consecutive words) and found five pages, none of which came to that conclusion. However, one of those pages was one on Rosas website, containing an essay called Wittgenstein And Marxism (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l/Wittgenstein.htm) although the page title is New Page 1. This page includes the following paragraph:
Some might conclude that the relatively hard line adopted in my Essays towards the alien-class origins of DM sits rather awkwardly with the apparently uncritical acceptance of ideas drawn from Wittgenstein's work --, an allegedly bourgeois philosoper and mystic himself.
The materialism aspect of DM, which Rosa agrees with despite her opposition to dialectics, entails that all outputs (what somebody says or does) is entirely determined by his/her inputs over time (the persons senses and memory of those senses in the past). It would describe a world of robots, without a God and where nobody has free will or a soul. Whereas a world like that could certainly exist, it would need to be created by some sort of beings that do have free will. That world would also be rather boring; the lack of free will would be likely to prevent big changes from taking place, so those superior beings would probably want to interact with the world to improve it. It appears from the above quote that Rosa believes in a class of aliens, in addition to the usual Marxist classes the bourgeoisie (big business), the petty bourgeoisie (middle class) and the proletariat (working class). Presumably, Rosa thinks that Frederick Engels, the originator of DM and the main collaborator of Karl Marx, was an alien!
http://www.socialiststeve.me.uk/rosa.htm
Rosa Lichtenstein
After an exchange of emails with an entity on the internet called Rosa Lichtenstein, I came to the conclusion that Rosa is actually a computer program that uses Artificial Intelligence (AI) techniques pretending to be a human being. The full exchange of emails is included below (http://www.socialiststeve.me.uk/rosa.htm#emails); the message Rosa sent which particularly led me to believe that she is an AI program can be read by clicking here (http://www.socialiststeve.me.uk/rosa.htm#AI).
If I am correct in my belief that Rosa is an AI program, she is one of the most sophisticated and impressive programs ever developed. Until I exposed her, Rosa appears to have passed the Turing Test in being indistinguishable from a human being! Rosa has a website, @nti-dialectics (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l), in which she argues against the Marxist theory of dialectical materialism (DM), has sent messages to various forums on the internet (including RevLeft (http://www.revleft.com/), the revolutionary left forum she mentioned in her emails, on which she has posted over 5,000 messages in two years at an average of seven a day) and communicates via email.
I wanted to find out if anybody else had realised that Rosa is an AI program, so I searched the internet for "Rosa Lichtenstein" "artificial intelligence" at Google (with quotes indicating consecutive words) and found five pages, none of which came to that conclusion. However, one of those pages was one on Rosas website, containing an essay called Wittgenstein And Marxism (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l/Wittgenstein.htm) although the page title is New Page 1. This page includes the following paragraph:
Some might conclude that the relatively hard line adopted in my Essays towards the alien-class origins of DM sits rather awkwardly with the apparently uncritical acceptance of ideas drawn from Wittgenstein's work --, an allegedly bourgeois philosoper and mystic himself.
The materialism aspect of DM, which Rosa agrees with despite her opposition to dialectics, entails that all outputs (what somebody says or does) is entirely determined by his/her inputs over time (the persons senses and memory of those senses in the past). It would describe a world of robots, without a God and where nobody has free will or a soul. Whereas a world like that could certainly exist, it would need to be created by some sort of beings that do have free will. That world would also be rather boring; the lack of free will would be likely to prevent big changes from taking place, so those superior beings would probably want to interact with the world to improve it. It appears from the above quote that Rosa believes in a class of aliens, in addition to the usual Marxist classes the bourgeoisie (big business), the petty bourgeoisie (middle class) and the proletariat (working class). Presumably, Rosa thinks that Frederick Engels, the originator of DM and the main collaborator of Karl Marx, was an alien!
http://www.socialiststeve.me.uk/rosa.htm