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JustMovement
10th July 2011, 03:40
This is a poem by Pier Paolo Pasolini, an Italian communist, poet, and film director. Pasolini wrote this poem after the 68 movement in Italy. He was very critical of the student movement in general because he thought that its middle class character doomed it to irrelevance, something that I completely agree with.

I took the the liberty to translate it from the original Italian because it is written in very easy language. The original can be found here:
http://www.pasolini.net/poesia_ppp_pciaigiovani.htm From the Pci to the Youth
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Its sad. a critique of
the pci <Italian communist party> should have been done in the first half
of the past decade. You are late, children.
And it doesnt matter that at the time you were not born.
Now the journalists of the entire world (the t.v.
ones included)
kiss your (as they still say, I think, in
university) ass. I dont, friends.
You have the face of daddys boys.
Your clean appearance doesnt lie.
You have that mean look.
You are afraid, uncertain, despairing
(very good) but you also know how to be
spoilt, scheming and arrogant:
petit-bourgeoise values, my friends.
When you were at the Villa Giulia yestday you brawled
with the police,
I sympathised with the policemen!
Because policemen are sons of the poor.
They come from the outskirts, urban and rural.
As for me, I know well,
I know how they were as little kids and young men,
the precious penny, the father who never grew up,
because poverty does not bestow authority.
The mother calloused like a porter, or tender,
because of some disease, like a little bird;
the many children, the hut
among the orchards overgrown with red weeds (on someone elses
land); the slums
over the sewers;or the apartments in the vast
council estates, ecc. ecc.
And, look how they dress them up: like clowns,
with that rough cloth that stinks of
uniform and poverty. Worse of all, naturally,
is the psychological state to which they are reduced
(for a handful of dollars a month):
with no more smile,
without any friends in the world,
apart,
excluded (in an exclusion without equals);
humiliated at the loss of their human values
in exchange for police ones (being hated breeds hatred).
They are twenty, your age, my dear boys and girls.
We are all obviously against the institution of the police.
But try going against the courts, and then youll see!
The boy policemen
that you, out of the sacred violence (of the venerable risorgimento
tradition)
of the daddys boy, have beaten,
They belong to the other class.
At Valle Giulia, yesterday, occurred an instance of
class war: and you, my friends (although on the
right side) you were the rich,
while the policemen (who were on the
wrong side) they were the poor.A nice victory, then,
yours! In these cases ,
to the police you should give flowers, my friends.
[...]
Pier Paolo Pasolini


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sorry its quite poor and I cant translate how nice it sounds in the origianl and ive never done something like that before, hopefully though the messae will come through anyways

JustMovement
10th July 2011, 18:31
oh come on this is a pretty inflamatory poem, it caused a shit storm in italy, i want at least one reply of FUCK YOU YOU PSEUDO FASCIST HACK STUDENTS AND WORKERS UNITE

Os Cangaceiros
11th July 2011, 01:24
The PCI was full of degenerate hacks who had been selling out the Italian working class since time in memoriam. The same political culture that spawned Leninists like Panzieri, Tronti and Negri (and the early autonomist movement in general), who desperately tried to re-evaluate and salvage the vanguardist model that they recognized was so very out-of-touch with the Italian proletariat. Perhaps Pasolini would've been better off addressing this fact rather than railing against petty-bourgeois students.

JustMovement
11th July 2011, 03:47
The PCI was full of degenerate hacks who had been selling out the Italian working class since time in memoriam. The same political culture that spawned Leninists like Panzieri, Tronti and Negri (and the early autonomist movement in general), who desperately tried to re-evaluate and salvage the vanguardist model that they recognized was so very out-of-touch with the Italian proletariat. Perhaps Pasolini would've been better off addressing this fact rather than railing against petty-bourgeois students.

Well to be fair he did say that the pci should be criticised in the poem, in fact that it should have been done a long time before.

Also whatever the many faults of the PCI (and for the record I am against participation in elections) it had the strong support of working class and not just the radical inteligenisa like in other countries.

I am not sure if you are accusing negri and the rest or not, but i think they were quite involved in organising the proleteriat, as they agitated outside of factories, called work slowdowns and absenteism, and helped organise industrial sabotage.

The more abhorent, stupidly violent factions of the extra-parliamentary left were in fact populated by studens and people of bourgois backgrounds. After going to jail for there stupid murders (because that is what they were) they quickly recanted, something negri never did.

I think the broader point that pasolini makes, which is valid, is that a potentially revolutionary situation in 68 in Italy was hijacked by middle class students and that doomed it from the get go.

Os Cangaceiros
11th July 2011, 06:11
I don't think that Negri et al were bad people...I question whether they were correct as far as their "remedy" for the very real problem they saw was concerned, but I think that their hearts were in the right place, and ultimately they wrote a great deal of interesting information regarding the changing Italian landscape, as far as the workforce were concerned. And the moronic actions of Brigatta Rosse and Prima Linea (and all the other factions during the Years of Lead) certainly did not help the revolutionary cause, isolating it in fact, by specializing struggle into the realm of combat, not to mention all the infiltration that occured.

But the fact remains that the PCI played a profoundly conservative role. Togliatti and his descendants did way more harm than good. Say what you want about the students, but they wanted to occupy their universities and continue struggling...the PCI tried on more than one occassion to end these "disruptions".

black magick hustla
11th July 2011, 06:40
fuck the pci, it was built upon the corpses of internationalists and trotskyists.

my understanding is that potere operatio did have an an influence among immigrant, young chemical plant workers