Citizen Arrested for Exposing Town Corruption

[Principia Ethica]

Insane (http://thedailyattack.com/2011/07/06/jennifer-jones-arrested-for-exposing-local-corruption-at-quartzsite-arizona-city-council/)

I'm really at a loss as to what to say. Maybe I can think about this for awhile and say . . .something. Just wow.

[Obs]

It's not insane, though, it's a very reasonable and well-thought out move on the government's part. It may seem insane to us, but that's only because we're on the other side of the fence.

[minimali]

Regardless of who is right - we need more people like here..

[A Revolutionary Tool]

It's funny how we think we have so much freedom.

[Lynx]

The police chief ordered the officers to proceed, in violation of the law. He should be sacked.

[Psy]

It's not insane, though, it's a very reasonable and well-thought out move on the government's part. It may seem insane to us, but that's only because we're on the other side of the fence.

Not really it could have backfired for example the citizens in the hearing could have fought the police or the mayor could have legally taken the police into custody with a security force loyal to the mayor.

[Obs]

Not really it could have backfired for example the citizens in the hearing could have fought the police or the mayor could have legally taken the police into custody with a security force loyal to the mayor.
what

[Psy]

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The police had no legal framework for what they did as the bourgeois state never thought a mayor would be working against the bourgeois state bureaucracy. Thus the mayor could have legally ordered the citizenry to place the police under citizens arrest or ordered men loyal to him to do so as legally the police are out of order and the mayor would have every legal right to take them into custody.

This is because the system is setup with the mayor being the local representative of the bourgeoisie.

[The Dark Side of the Moon]

STALINS RUSSIA IN US? I don't believe it

[Obs]

The police had no legal framework for what they did as the bourgeois state never thought a mayor would be working against the bourgeois state bureaucracy. Thus the mayor could have legally ordered the citizenry to place the police under citizens arrest or ordered men loyal to him to do so as legally the police are out of order and the mayor would have every legal right to take them into custody.

This is because the system is setup with the mayor being the local representative of the bourgeoisie.
what

[Le Socialiste]

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What aren't you understanding? :confused:

[Obs]

What aren't you understanding? :confused:
I'm not understanding the simplistic, legalistic view Psy is taking, mostly because it makes no goddamn sense

[Psy]

what

The mayor was the one telling the police to stay in the back and let the speaker speak, it was his meeting and by law the mayor acts as chairmen in such meetings, thus if the mayor says the police are out of order in the meeting by law they are out of order.

Basically what we have here is a power struggle between two bourgeois power centers, the police (allied with city council) and the mayor, where the mayor could have really played hard ball against the police.

[Obs]

The mayor was the one telling the police to stay in the back and let the speaker speak, it was his meeting and by law the mayor acts as chairmen in such meetings, thus if the mayor says the police are out of order in the meeting by law they are out of order.

Basically what we have here is a power struggle between two bourgeois power centers, the police (allied with city council) and the mayor, where the mayor could have really played hard ball against the police.
Since I have neither the patience nor the energy to reiterate, I'm simply going to direct your attention to the second post I made in this thread.

[Psy]

Since I have neither the patience nor the energy to reiterate, I'm simply going to direct your attention to the second post I made in this thread.
Again it could have back fired if the mayor exercised his executive power over the police in the meeting. Thus it is not well thought out it is just the police thought the mayor would roll over to their authority and the mayor never used his power to push back.

[Obs]

Again it could have back fired if the mayor exercised his executive power over the police in the meeting. Thus it is not well thought out it is just the police thought the mayor would roll over to their authority and the mayor never used his power to push back.
Thing is you seem to be forgetting that the police don't give a shit about the law

[Psy]

Thing is you seem to be forgetting that the police don't give a shit about the law

Right yet I said men loyal to him (be that the citizenry or hired goons) and a chunk of the police union was against the police chief before the incident so the mayor could have really played hardball and try and get a split in the police (with police divided over which bourgeoisie institution to take orders from).

[Principia Ethica]

UPDATE:

The town council ousted the mayor then declared a state of emergency.

How the fuck can they do that?!?!?!

CRAZINESS (http://news.yahoo.com/emergency-declared-az-town-over-allegations-211928629.html)

[A Revolutionary Tool]

It looks like there is some major corruption happening in that council/police force and they're scrambling to cover it up but are just making things worse for themselves. I mean really is it just me or are they so brazen about what they're doing that it's laughable?

[Le Socialiste]

This whole thing is bordering on insanity...hell, it's already there!


I mean really is it just me or are they so brazen about what they're doing that it's laughable?

It's not just you.

[Psy]

It looks like there is some major corruption happening in that council/police force and they're scrambling to cover it up but are just making things worse for themselves. I mean really is it just me or are they so brazen about what they're doing that it's laughable?
Exactly it is like the council/police force expects the bourgeoisie state to ignore them, when odds are the FBI already is trying to infiltrate all sides as lets face it the ruling class doesn't need this kind of PR and would like Quartzsite to be far more subtle about its power struggles. This is why I don't see this a well-thought out move as this could end with the FBI going COINTELPRO on all sides and installing a puppet government in Quartzsite to restore bourgeois order and the facade of the rule of law.

[Psy]

The Police Chief has recently purged half the police force. To me this proves this is a weak local ruling class of petit-bourgeoisie that wants to defend its power regardless of what happens to the image of the larger ruling class and that the large ruling class is happy to leave the town to its corruption if not for the bad PR.

[Zav]

It's funny how we think we have so much freedom.
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

[Ocean Seal]

Not really it could have backfired for example the citizens in the hearing could have fought the police or the mayor could have legally taken the police into custody with a security force loyal to the mayor.
The thing is: How likely do you think that would be? This is America. People, especially those at town hall meetings don't fight the police.

[Psy]

The thing is: How likely do you think that would be? This is America. People, especially those at town hall meetings don't fight the police.

You forget Detroit 1967, the people fought the police and the Michigan National Guard it is just the US Army steam rolled over the uprising like they have always done in the US history of armed uprisings and the US Army idon't go down as easily the National Guard yet the police sure do down like a ton brick in the face of a armed uprising.

[Libertador]

What arrogance! And with such disregard for democratic rights! These councilmen and women should be arrested for treason and for violating this woman's rights. I would honestly like to see how long they would last in a federal prison.