Texas executes Mexican immigrant, denies him legal counsel...

[RadioRaheem84]

http://news.yahoo.com/texas-executes-mexican-court-stay-rejected-233305430.html?ugccmt_success=NONJS_POST_SUCCESS#u gccmt-post-frm-container

A Mexican national was convicted of rape and murder of a sixteen year old girl.

He was denied foreign legal counsel which was his right under a US/MX international treaty granting Mexican nationals a right to foreign legal counsel.

Now, if the man was guilty, then so be it, he is guilty, but the ramifications of Texas denying this man foreign legal counsel could send a message out to other nations holding Americans in their jails about their requests for legal counsel from their embassies.

This is why the White House intervened and requested an appeal.

Texas said no, and killed the man.

Read the comments and just fucking gasp at the insane crypto fascist nonsense praising the corrupt and thirdworld-ish Texas Legal System. It's disgusting. No one even cares that this man was denied a right. All they want is blood.

[HEAD ICE]

wait aint obama the president? he could have commuted this guy's sentence...

[RadioRaheem84]

Obama was really just trying to curb the situation from becoming an international incident that could effect Americans being held in other prisons. I do not really think he was trying to save him.

Point is, I am more disturbed, deeply disturbed by the overly emotional outbursts of jingoism and mob mentality displayed by the comments on the forum.

It's disgusting and shows just Americans still love the faulty legal process and call it justice.

[Ocean Seal]

http://news.yahoo.com/texas-executes-mexican-court-stay-rejected-233305430.html?ugccmt_success=NONJS_POST_SUCCESS#u gccmt-post-frm-container

A Mexican national was convicted of rape and murder of a sixteen year old girl.

He was denied foreign legal counsel which was his right under a US/MX international treaty granting Mexican nationals a right to foreign legal counsel.

Now, if the man was guilty, then so be it, he is guilty, but the ramifications of Texas denying this man foreign legal counsel could send a message out to other nations holding Americans in their jails about their requests for legal counsel from their embassies.

This is why the White House intervened and requested an appeal.

Texas said no, and killed the man.

Read the comments and just fucking gasp at the insane crypto fascist nonsense praising the corrupt and thirdworld-ish Texas Legal System. It's disgusting. No one even cares that this man was denied a right. All they want is blood.

What I don't understand is even after he was illegally convicted and they had 17 years to overturn his sentence why nothing happened? 17 years? And no one chose to do anything until after this man had a needle in his arm. States rights activists stopped an appeal to hear an illegally convicted man's case? And how exactly did they do this?

And I saw the comment. Some suggesting that all Mexicans were guilty of violent crimes and another suggesting that all illegals should be put to death. It makes you wonder, with all of their bullshit about being a civilized first world nation, why the hell are they so fucked up.

[RadioRaheem84]

The fact that I contributed to the comments and made my case but was swarmed with bordering neo-Nazi filth leads me to have little faith in this country.

It's descent into Fascism is almost complete.

People do not even care that they guy was denied a right. If didn't matter if he was found guilty or not, they do not even care how this will look to other nations who have Americans in their jails. Why give them the right that Americans so confidently deny to other people?

That is why the White House intervened, yet Ricky Perry is the nation's new hero.

[Le Socialiste]

I shouldn't be surprised anymore when it comes to the American public. They may make up a part of the global proletariat, but that doesn't negate the fact that they are one of the most backwards, reactionary people around. :(

I just posted the following on that board:



The comments on this article are disgusting. What racist filth; almost every one of you do nothing on here but spew your jingoistic hatred for an entire group of people based on the actions of one man. What he did was wrong (that's an understatement), but under the shared international treaty between the U.S. and Mexico he deserved foreign legal counsel - which was denied to him. By doing so, we open the door to those nations holding Americans overseas to do the same. What's more, the response to this matter is yet another signal that America has succumbed to rampant nationalistic impulses. Your idea of "justice" will not - cannot - ever work, because it has been blinded by its peoples' hatreds.


Now, sit back and wait for the TDs and hate-filled responses...

[RadioRaheem84]

The sad thing is the level of political power they have as a voting bloc when manipulated into a political frenzy. The maddening levels of patriotic fervor served the powers at the time to instill an insanely fascistic like system of rights denial to people suspected of terrorism.

Rick Perry is using this as a campaign strategy to look like he is standing up to the President and American/TX justice.

I know that people in here are very touchy about defaming the proletariat because of their victim status due to propaganda, but there is a point to where it's not even a matter of the mind anymore but of the heart, and people WANTING to be reactionary despite all the evidence to the contrary.

[¿Que?]

Yeah, I mean, shit, I read some of those comments. Real Talk: Re-education camps and gulags don't sound too bad to me at the moment, if they're intended for those people, and not just your everyday, run of the mill dissenter. I mean, it's sounds kind of harsh, but I really have no sympathy for people like that, and it engenders a reaction from me similar to theirs but against them.

[Le Socialiste]

I just had to add these responses to my post on the article's page:



I do agree with *most* of whta you say about the international treaty part but stop trying to make yourself look smart and better than everyone else by using bigger words. It makes you look like an ass and makes it seem like YOU have a hatred for anyone disagreeing with you.


When all else fails liberals start playing the race card. Sorry, but it's obvious that America is waking up to this game and things are changing. If you are so against it why don't you go to Mexico, find his family let them move in with you.

Oh dear...:laugh:

[RadioRaheem84]

Yes, it's that bad. The US is seriously this uninformed, misinformed and uneducated.

[¿Que?]

I just had to add these responses to my post on the article's page:

I thought the guy *****ing at you for using big words was pretty hilarious.:lol:

[Le Socialiste]

You know it's bad when "big words" are considered elitist and wrong. I don't know whether I should be worried that people want me to dumb down and "humble" myself, or be amused.

[Os Cangaceiros]

hey guys i'm not sure that the comments page on a news story is representative of the American population.

[Le Socialiste]

Except it's not just this news story. Every single article I've read on Yahoo that is remotely political gets swarmed by the most reactionary people I've ever seen (and I don't think that's an exaggeration).

[Os Cangaceiros]

Yeah, but I think it's a little off to look at a comments page and then draw conclusions about "America's" attitudes towards this or that. Many Americans have a punitive and harsh view towards criminal punishment, this is true; but America is not equivalent to the knuckle-dragging cretins who choose to vent their spleens on Yahoo. Support for capital punishment has by-and-large been declining over the decades.

[RadioRaheem84]

By far this is not representative of the American working class, but we cannot blind to the fact that there is a significant portion of the population that is reactionary.

[Ocean Seal]

hey guys i'm not sure that the comments page on a news story is representative of the American population.
That's true. The crowds that you tend to find on the yahoo and aol boards tend to be filled with an-caps and neo-fascists. It's actually kind of strange, one would expect the internet to be dominated by liberals (especially on American boards), but yet its changed over the years to be the place for hate filled right wingers. I'm curious as to why that happened. Its typically the youth who are on the internet, and it seems that the youth have the greatest amount of rage, directed towards the wrong people.

[KurtFF8]

By far this is not representative of the American working class, but we cannot blind to the fact that there is a significant portion of the population that is reactionary.

While this is true, that could be said of just about any society that has a reactionary segment of the population.

[the last donut of the night]

while it's true that this sort of thinking is not hard to find in america (in fact, not hard at all), this is yahoo news lol

[ReVoLuTiOnArYbUtGaNgStEr]

This thread is ridiculous, stop fetishing anti Americanism, American workers are the salt of the earth, sure they have been loaded with false consciousness, but so have European, African, Asian workers etc etc.

As for the people calling for Gulags and forced labour, go sort yourself out rather than being an embarassment to the workers movement and its representative sects.

Regards

[¿Que?]

This thread is ridiculous, stop fetishing anti Americanism, American workers are the salt of the earth, sure they have been loaded with false consciousness, but so have European, African, Asian workers etc etc.

As for the people calling for Gulags and forced labour, go sort yourself out rather than being an embarassment to the workers movement and its representative sects.

Regards
OK, maybe calling for gulags and whatnot may have been a little much, but I live in the US south and come across this all the time, in person, face to face. Alot of them probably aren't even workers, they're white petit bourgeoisie (or their offspring) who are feeling the pressures of capitalism pushing them down to the working class. They feel threatened by this but can find no rational explanation given their blind patriotism and faith in the capitalist system. They thus develop a deep seated hatred for minorities, particularly Mexican and other [email protected] immigrants. These people are an obstacle to progress, and no revolution will ever be successful unless someone can answer the question implied in this thread, which is, what exactly do you do about people like this. Yes, there are workers with false consciousness all over the world, but the US is one of the most violent nations on the planet. We execute more people than any other country in the Industrialized world, and carry out imperialistic wars all over the planet, the US has assassinated leaders, plotted coups and government overthrows, meanwhile an overwhelming majority of people in jail are black and brown. This creates a unique condition for workers, a unique type of false consciousness that in all likelihood is more extreme and more violent than other parts of the world. You can't live in the belly of the beast and have it not affect you in some way.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

This thread is ridiculous, stop fetishing anti-Americanism

There's no such thing as anti-americanism, not to mention, most of the people here complaining ARE from the United States.

And damn right we SHOULD be "anti-american" in the sense that we should loathe the political system of the country; and this, in the eyes of those who cry anti-american, is the greatest offence of all.

[ReVoLuTiOnArYbUtGaNgStEr]

There's no such thing as anti-americanism, not to mention, most of the people here complaining ARE from the United States.

And damn right we SHOULD be "anti-american" in the sense that we should loathe the political system of the country; and this, in the eyes of those who cry anti-american, is the greatest offence of all.

They are just hating on American WORKERS, this is where the difference lies.

You have a majority reactionary population in every country that is capitalist, they turn us into the instruments of our own opression, to single out American workers is pathetic and just the cool counterculture thing ATM.

[Red Commissar]

What a lot of these wingnuts don't know though is that even Dubya warned Perry about the ramifications of this action and to stay the execution. When Obama rose the warning it wasn't because he was a "liberal" but following what the foreign policy in the White House has been for some time.

Of course, this also just points out how little power Mexico has compared to the US. If this was an American national in Mexico facing the same or similar issue regarding the way their trial was carried out, you could bet on it that the Mexican government would make sure their execution was stayed. In fact that goes for an American national anywhere.

Unfortunately, considering that Governor Perry is an opportunist and careerist shitbag who has political ambitions running all the way up to the White House, he was going to do this to score points. I mean shit, he got three things in at once- 1. He "stood up" to Washington 2. He "stood up" to Obama 3. He was "tough" on Crime

And this joins a long line of actions Governor Perry has done since he threatened to have Texas secede from the US shortly after Obama took office. Scoring points with the Teabaggers (well, actually the guys astroturfing them but you know what I mean).

Unfortunately people won't see much in this action beyond the whole bit about raping and killing a 16 year old girl so they thing everything worked out in the end.

[Commie73]

while it's true that this sort of thinking is not hard to find in america (in fact, not hard at all), this is yahoo news lol


I think a lot of people need to remember that "the ruling ideas of each age have always been the ideas of the ruling class." Yeah working class people can be reactionary, but its up to revolutionaries to engage with the rest of the class and present a communist alternative.

although I will agree and say its Yahoo news, I dont know what it is about yahoo news but it does seem to attract the worst kind of reactionary. Slightly more than a lot of other news sources. Although I tend to ignore the comments sections on most news sites.

[GPDP]

I think a lot of people need to remember that "the ruling ideas of each age have always been the ideas of the ruling class." Yeah working class people can be reactionary, but its up to revolutionaries to engage with the rest of the class and present a communist alternative.

although I will agree and say its Yahoo news, I dont know what it is about yahoo news but it does seem to attract the worst kind of reactionary. Slightly more than a lot of other news sources. Although I tend to ignore the comments sections on most news sites.

It's simple. Being an internet news site, it provides anonymity to its users, and seeing as it's a big internet site, it has tons of users and thus a big audience. And as we all know, anonymity + audience = total shitbag.

It's only natural the worst of reactionary scumbags find it a good place to spread their filth without consequence.

[~Spectre]

Since 1976, Texas has carried out 470 executions (well more than a third of the national total of 1,257). You can count on one hand the number of those executions that involved a white murderer and a black victim and you do not need to use your thumb, ring finger, index finger or pinkie.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/09/opinion/09dow.html?_r=2&hp