Child Labor Question

[Ensectide]

Hi, I know that companies such as Nike, Gap,Old Navy, etc.. use child labor from overseas to make there products.

The kids that work in these factories obviously do it to support themselves and their families, and in most of these poor countries that the kids live in don't have schooling... so a good education is out of the question for them. but what if one day these comapnies decide to shutdown the factories, what will these kids do then? I mean then they'll be jobless and at the same time denied to get an education.

look i don't agree with child labor, i would never want my child or any other child to work at such a young age but what other options are there for them?
please let me know.

[RED CHARO]

------A LEFT WING REVOLUTION-------

[Rastafari]

these companies have made it the only solution. No schooling, so the kids stay ignorant.

[Loknar]

I think a little bit of hard work is good for them. Say 2 hours a day after school of something. In fact in America I am convinced more than ever hard work is what they need.

[synthesis]

Leninist revolution seems to have been the route taken in history. Even though all Leninist nations either have fallen or will fall sometime soon (with the possible exception of North Korea, and if we're really lucky Cuba) they always come out significantly better in a material sense than they were before the revolution, due to the rapid industrialization that Leninism brings.

Of course, socialist revolutionaries in general are renowned for their emphasis on providing free education. Cuba is said to have a better overall school system than America, and even the most staunch conservatives can admit (although hesitantly) that Stalin made a great accomplishment in terms of Russian education.

[Invader Zim]

Western industrialization has forced these countries (quite literally) into a economic and technological age which they are not capable of supporting with out western support. This means that their economies are dependant on western income, due to the world wide competition to have the cheapest labour, in order to get western investment, the governments of these third world nations forcibly keep the wages down. Why you may ask, well the reason is simple, if the wages increase the multinational will just leave and find cheaper elsewhere.

So basically the competition globalisation causes, quite literally keeps third world wages low. Which is massively exploited and supported by the west.

Capitalism causes world poverty.

[sledovatel]

i've got a question. have any of you actually even set foot in a third world country and seen any of this with your own eyes? or is this all recycled propaganda from the left? are companies and capitalism really the great causes of poordom? you'd think if they were, then the people of the poor countries would welcome your socialist views. but good luck trying to talk people like the peruvians into supporting groups like the sendero luminoso or the MRAU, which, for those of you who are ignorant, are some of your great "left revolutions." yeah, most of the members of those groups are either lying in graves or hiding in the jungle. oh but what about the FARC and the ELN of colombia? hate to break it to you, but the people don't support them either. in fact, the AUC grows bigger every day. go ahead and be critical of capitalism from your cozy chairs, but please don't try to spew out what you think would be best for the poor countries until you actually go there and see for yourselves. the people don't want socialism and they don't want communism. you'd think you'd understand that after bolivia killed che. hey, that's pretty interesting. if che was such a great and intelligent leader, why'd he die at the hands of the worst army in south america? probably because in their words he was "uj ñak'arichix suwari ."

-s

[Y2A]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 01:29 AM
i've got a question. have any of you actually even set foot in a third world country and seen any of this with your own eyes? or is this all recycled propaganda from the left? are companies and capitalism really the great causes of poordom? you'd think if they were, then the people of the poor countries would welcome your socialist views. but good luck trying to talk people like the peruvians into supporting groups like the sendero luminoso or the MRAU, which, for those of you who are ignorant, are some of your great "left revolutions." yeah, most of the members of those groups are either lying in graves or hiding in the jungle. oh but what about the FARC and the ELN of colombia? hate to break it to you, but the people don't support them either. in fact, the AUC grows bigger every day. go ahead and be critical of capitalism from your cozy chairs, but please don't try to spew out what you think would be best for the poor countries until you actually go there and see for yourselves. the people don't want socialism and they don't want communism. you'd think you'd understand that after bolivia killed che. hey, that's pretty interesting. if che was such a great and intelligent leader, why'd he die at the hands of the worst army in south america? probably because in their words he was "uj ñak'arichix suwari ."

-s
True, I'm peruvian-american I've been in Peru tons of times and well yes it is true that corporations do exploit worker but any far-leftist that thinks they support the MTRA or Shining Path is a fool. The only people who support them are the sierranos from the eastern mountians i.e the indians. While I think there should be change in Latin America and the U.S should not support Latin American paramilitaries I still belive that Communism is the wrong way to go with Latin America. I could understand how in the Union's time it would have worked but if Communism ever made a return in Columbia for example they would be cut off from the global economy and in the long term lose. Change must be made but not through communism. That is why I advocate "fair trade" not the type of bias trading economy we have today but the communist want everything to be nationalized but are then surprised when other nations embargo them, you can not have it both ways. Che died to Bolivian paramilitaries because they were CIA supported paramilitaries trained and funded by U.S forces. Che is a good man though, I as a latin american respect his cause and understand the struggle but there is a better way. Reform not Revolution. Once you put up a gun you become as bad as the people you hate.

[apathy maybe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 11:29 AM
i've got a question. have any of you actually even set foot in a third world country and seen any of this with your own eyes? or is this all recycled propaganda from the left? are companies and capitalism really the great causes of poordom? ... go ahead and be critical of capitalism from your cozy chairs, but please don't try to spew out what you think would be best for the poor countries until you actually go there and see for yourselves. the people don't want socialism and they don't want communism. you'd think you'd understand that after bolivia killed che. [just crap]

i've got a question. have any of you actually even set foot in a third world country and seen any of this with your own eyes? or is this all recycled propaganda from the left? are companies and capitalism really the great causes of poordom?
Yo retard I don't need to go to a third would country to see that `companies and capitalism really the great causes of poordom'. I can see it right where I live (Australia).


go ahead and be critical of capitalism from your cozy chairs, but please don't try to spew out what you think would be best for the poor countries until you actually go there and see for yourselves.
Yo retard I don't have a cozy chair. I'm a poor fucker. I know whats best for the rich countries 'cause I live in one.


the people don't want socialism and they don't want communism.
I'll admit that they don't want the communism, but thats only 'cause they think that communisms what they have in China and North Korea. It's not.
And yes they do want socialism, you know what welfare is? It's a socialistic idea. Any form of 'freebies' from the govt is a form of socialism.


you'd think you'd understand that after bolivia killed che.
Yo retard guess what? Your wrong again. The CIA and the Bolivian army killed Che. Not the people. The people were all for getting rid of the corupt people in power.

[sledovatel]

wow apathy, personal attacks. i never would have guessed. i'm sure you can really tell what's good for the world sitting out there in that big island out in the middle of no-where. and i don't think you know the meaning of poor. do you have electricity? running water? obviously you have enough goods to use a computer. i don't care what communists say, they're just as greedy as capitalists. all they talk about is money and how poor they are. the only difference is they want it for free, without working for it. and why is it people keep saying "oh china says it's communist but it isn't. neither was ussr. neither is north korea... etc."? has there never been communism?? i guess it's never worked out, eh? maybe that's why people don't want it. cause it doesn't work. of course you can't say anything bad about communism or bring up facts here because it's just more "capitalist lies and propaganda." what a joke. this is just like all those neo-nazis who just couldn't face it that fascism is a failure.

as for your remarks, y2a, i agree that the us should get out of s. american affairs as soon as possible. communism would completely destroy the structures of every government down there and destabilize everything. there would be more violence then has ever been seen down there if communism took hold.

-s