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Sasha
3rd July 2011, 23:58
in the dutch news a italian copper was complaining about the "para-military behavior" of the demonstrators :rolleyes:


200 injured at rally against Italian high-speed rail link
(AFP) – 2 hours ago
CHIOMONTE, Italy — Around two hundred people, mainly police officers, were injured as officers clashed with masked protesters at a rally against a high-speed rail link in northern Italy Sunday, police said.
Clashes between protesters and police left at least 188 officers and about a dozen demonstrators hurt, said officials, after a small group stormed a tunnel which was part of the work site at Chiomonte, west of Turin.
Scuffles between protesters and a heavy police presence continued throughout the day, with a steady exchange of tear gas, stones and molotov cocktails.
Police arrested at least five people and Italy's President Giorgio Napolitano condemned the violence.
Police blamed the trouble on hundreds of masked leftist "black block" extremists from Italy and neighbouring countries.
Protest organisers said tens of thousands of demonstrators had gathered peacefully from surrounding regions to stop the construction of the planned tunnel in the Susa valley.
But a small band broke away from the main group of protestors to enter the gated work site guarded by hundreds of police, who put the number of demonstrators at about 6,000.
The project, agreed by Italy and France in 2001, would slice three hours off the current seven-hour train journey between Paris and Milan.
But the development has provoked fierce opposition, not least among 23 local mayors.
In a statement, President Napolitano condemned what he said was the work of groups "trained in illegal violence."
He was joined by Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi and figures across the political spectrum.
Police were out in force on Sunday as authorities had expected more trouble from radical groups within the protest movement after similar clashes last week.
Twenty-five policemen and four protestors were slightly injured on June 27 when a demonstration at the same spot turned violent and police responded with tear gas.
Before Sunday's events, the leader of the "No Tav" (No to the high-speed train) movement, Alberto Perino, said demonstrators would have "bare hands and clean hands, against those whose hands are neither bare nor clean".
Work on the main 58-kilometre (36-mile) tunnel, of which 12 kilometres are in Italy, is scheduled to begin in 2013 and due to go into service around 2023.


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twenty percent tip
4th July 2011, 00:15
fuck em:laugh:

S.Artesian
4th July 2011, 02:32
What's the reason for the protest?

Sasha
4th July 2011, 11:05
the enviromentalists are pissed because it goes through an important nature area
the locals are pissed because of noise pollution
everybody else is pissed because its an billions costing prestige project with lots of corruption and mob involvement

Sinister Cultural Marxist
4th July 2011, 13:07
the enviromentalists are pissed because it goes through an important nature area
the locals are pissed because of noise pollution
everybody else is pissed because its an billions costing prestige project with lots of corruption and mob involvement

The first and third sound legit, but the second sounds like the NIMBY attitude of blocking helpful public infrastructure like trains because of noise, etc. The train has to go somewhere, and that kind of attitude often causes trains to end up going through poorer neighborhoods, fertile ag land or the wilderness instead. Trains also > automobiles or planes and a little noise pollution is preferable to a lot of CO2 pollution. If its really that big of a problem they can build a sound wall, though it also seems that the area that the train is going through does seem quite pristine, so perhaps that is not a fair characterization of the local's views.

How bad are the mob ties in this situation? Is there an alternative route offered, or is the problem with the train itself?

Sasha
4th July 2011, 14:28
dont know precisely but i believe you cant do any building work in italy without dealing with the mob to an certain extent but in big infrastructure projects like this one, especialy those overseen by the berlusconi administration huge sums end up in maffia pockets.
also, like most highspeedrail projects, this is not an mass transit project but an exclusive luxurious affair.
the locals protesting are indeed very small vilages and town in the midle of an nature area that will never get an station, so yeah, lots of negatives for them and 0 positives, i dont think that counts as NIMBY attitude.

this are some of their websites but its all in italian:
http://www.notavtorino.org/
http://www.notav.info/


edit:
here is an reflective piece in english: http://www.generation-online.org/t/notav.htm

JustMovement
4th July 2011, 16:02
The problem is not just the mob, but that friends and colleagues of politicians (both on the "left" and right) will benefit from this. Like everything in Italy, you have to see who benefits, from the mob boss to the son of the local politician that works in the track laying company.

Also, enormous sums of money are being spent on something that no one really wants or cares about. At the moment there is rubbish piled above the waste level in Naples and its provinces, youth unemployment is stratospheric and they are wasting money on this shite? Im not againt TAV but there is a time and a place.

W1N5T0N
4th July 2011, 16:36
I'm sorry but...this is Italy?
With the current semi-fash government, the Mafia has ties everywhere.
They control the whole illegal building and garbage industry...

Ocean Seal
4th July 2011, 16:53
in the dutch news a italian copper was complaining about the "para-military behavior" of the demonstrators :rolleyes:
Surprising how they never complain about their own paramilitary behavior.

Also somewhat strange is that my computer freezes immediately when I try to view a youtube or any online video. So I can't view it. If anyone has any advice or has experienced a similar problem could they PM me some info. It was working fine till recently. Sorry about this, its just that I was somewhat disappointed when I couldn't view the video.

Geiseric
4th July 2011, 16:56
Wow, southern and eastern europe are going to shit. (or more shit than before)

W1N5T0N
4th July 2011, 20:46
haha and western europe isn't? :p