White Supremacist Sexism

[Agnapostate]

If you peruse Scumfront, you'll find that many female posters there are angry about disrespect and sexist sentiments expressed by their male counterparts.

The forum name has been word-filtered again, but just search for these quotes in Google or something.

[Note first that even the description of the womens' forum ("Sugar and spice, and everything nice") is condescending and patronizing.0

"I'm going to say what I always say. The general attitude toward, and about women, is going to have to change."

"I do believe that the disrespect for women in some of these forums is appalling. Discouraging those misogynist views would go a long way in attracting more women to Stormfront. I cannot believe some of the gross generalizations and blatant lies men post on some of these threads (I'm sure you all know what I mean). I have never had one directed at me personally, but just reading those types of posts has made me seriously contemplate leaving SF. People who post really insulting comments towards women should be reprimanded by the moderators and administrators. There should be zero tolerance for that kind of behaviour."

"Also agree that the negative attitude toward and about women has to change. While I know that there are many men in the movement who have positive views towards women, there are also many men who are quite vocal in their holier-than-thou attitude when it comes to male-female relations in WN and even outside of the movement."

"I agree... it's not universal and not even that common, but I've still seen much too much negative sentiment around... I don't know if the thread posters realize what they're doing when they make sweeping general statements about 'female control and domination conspiracies' and all that..."

It's kind of funny that these women would be so surprised and find it so puzzling that white men who seek out a movement based on preserving their institutional power and privilege should be hostile to women. Do they really not see a relationship between racism and sexism, and the psychological traits of the white men who might want to be involved in white supremacist movements?

[Sasha]

dutch afa magazine Alert published an worthwhile article about women in the extreme right: http://afa.home.xs4all.nl/alert/3_12/vrouwen.html maybe you can read it with google translate

[Red Future]

I always thought that it was Odd that Fascist groups could attract Women anyway ..considering Rampant Sexism has been one of their main characteristics since their inital formation in the 1920s.

[Stand Your Ground]

I always thought that it was Odd that Fascist groups could attract Women anyway ..considering Rampant Sexism has been one of their main characteristics since their inital formation in the 1920s.
I always wondered that myself. Well hopefully the ones who disagree with it will turn from that idiotic ideology in all it's bigoted shitness.

[SocialistAction]

I always thought that it was Odd that Fascist groups could attract Women anyway ..considering Rampant Sexism has been one of their main characteristics since their inital formation in the 1920s.

I suppose it depends on the context in question. In Italy, for example, the case was somewhat more subtle, as Mussolini was inclined to utilize pro-female suffrage rhetoric from time to time. Of course (as is the case with all fascistic emphasis on social policy), the state pursued nothing to those particular ends and traditional sexual relations were preserved. (That should not be particularly surprising though, given the time period in which fascism emerged. Acute sexism was an integral aspect to all bourgeois systems at that point.)

The neo-fascist position on this subject merely underscores their overall anachronistic character. Apart from the name, very little about 'neo-fascism' is new. The only distinguishing features I can see are more of an inclination to humor libertarian-capitalist theories and somewhat less emphasis on traditional nationalism. (A more pan-European-style racism tends to be more popular because of the heterogeneous character of many contemporary Western countries).

Insofar as female neo-fascists are concerned, I think there is a pretty significant paradox at play. (This may be why so many of them appear discontent with the fascistic rhetoric they encounter on the question.) Many of them do not appear to conform to the image of the passive kitchen-dweller, aloof from political questions. Many seem to engage in reactionary activism alongside their male counterparts, etc. (Certainly, I see a general difference between most female fascists and Evangelical women.)

[a rebel]

Regardless of how much these women contribute to their "movement", reactionary assholes don't care, there still just kitchen slaves to them. I don't know why those women are so ignorant to the sexism that those men obviously carry.

[Luc]

I've always wondered about female Racists and fascists.

Why do they support these groups, are they really into hate and female oppression?:huh:

Are they just there because of their boyfriend/husband/lover?

If the above is true them clearly they aren't as bad as the real fascists:unsure: and what do we do with them? We can just beat them half dead like the real fascists.

How do we tell between the real racists and thoose who are pressured into joining such groups (i.e. by family, spouse, etc.)?:confused:

But more on topic...

Perhaps we should try to "convert" women to feminism and the left by cleary laying out why Nazism/Fascism will always oppress them. I assume most right-wingers are selfish so if we lay out why the right oppresses women (which would be them) then maybe they will leave.

Note: Hope I didn't offend anyone. I may of come across as sexist but I will explain in better detail in a thread I might make about Fascist/Nazi women.

[Meridian]

I've always wondered about female Racists and fascists.

Why do they support these groups, are they really into hate and female oppression?:huh:

Are they just there because of their boyfriend/husband/lover?

If the above is true them clearly they aren't as bad as the real fascists:unsure: and what do we do with them? We can just beat them half dead like the real fascists.

How do we tell between the real racists and thoose who are pressured into joining such groups (i.e. by family, spouse, etc.)?:confused:

I am not a woman but if I were I think I'd find the above offensive. Though I realize you didn't mean that.

What drives men to become racists and fascists may as well drive women, don't you think? It's not simply that opinions are formed rationally, they are formed through the social and economical condition of the person and the experiences they go through.

An ideology has many aspects, and parts of it may resonate extremely strongly with an individual or a group, while others may not. However, a forum for the ideology itself will discuss all aspects. Which is where there can be expressions of internal conflict. Just like there is a non-expressed internal conflict in the individual who disagrees with a certain aspect but not the rest.

[Luc]

I am not a woman but if I were I think I'd find the above offensive. Though I realize you didn't mean that.

What drives men to become racists and fascists may as well drive women, don't you think? It's not simply that opinions are formed rationally, they are formed through the social and economical condition of the person and the experiences they go through.

An ideology has many aspects, and parts of it may resonate extremely strongly with an individual or a group, while others may not. However, a forum for the ideology itself will discuss all aspects. Which is where there can be expressions of internal conflict. Just like there is a non-expressed internal conflict in the individual who disagrees with a certain aspect but not the rest.

You are correct. I'm putting too much emphasis on the small aspect of these ideaologies.

Thank you very much for understanding I meant no offence. I once again would like to apologize to anyone who would take offence; I still have the sexist birth marks of the old society like women are good etc. and men are bad:blushing:

also, I should probably not create that thread

note: I don't mean to rip off Marx's words; just using the words to make a reference

[Commissar Rykov]

Anyone else find it hilarious how they complain about Women controlling Men conspiracy theories while they are propagating Jews control Everyone conspiracy theories? Maybe it was just me.:tt2:

[tachosomoza]

More evidence that nationalism and the like are mental illnesses.

[Fawkes]

I'm actually not surprised at all. Out of all the people I know that are virulently anti-feminist, a large number, if not a majority, are women. Stratification and subjugation often leads to a shift in how one perceives themselves, and that perception becomes internalized. That's not to say that all women are perfectly happy with their lives, it's just that the causes of their discontent aren't necessarily recognized as such due to the fact that sexism exists in so many forms from the blatantly overt to the incredibly subtle and permeates through every aspect of our lives from the moment we're born. Just because you know there's a problem doesn't mean you identify the cause.

[Nox]

Why the hell are those women fascists if by supporting that ideology they are supporting the discrimination of themself...

It's like a Jew supporting the Nazi party of Germany back in the early 1900's...

[Fawkes]

Why the hell are those women fascists if by supporting that ideology they are supporting the discrimination of themself...

It's like a Jew supporting the Nazi party of Germany back in the early 1900's...

Why is every worker not a socialist?

[Nox]

Why is every worker not a socialist?

I don't know what you mean by that...

[Lynx]

The women of Stormfront have their own sub-forum, where males are not supposed to post. Some are also feminists and/or have a positive view of feminism.

[Fawkes]

I don't know what you mean by that...

By supporting capitalism, workers are only furthering their own subjugation. What I meant by that was if you switch "women" and "fascist" with "workers" and "capitalism", it seems a lot less absurd. Capitalism is so entrenched and omnipresent that nobody would think it remotely unusual for a worker to support it or even work to further it, in spite of the fact that they're the ones most harmed by it. Sexism's the same.


Sorry, that first post came off a little pretentious and convoluted.

[Weezer]

More evidence that nationalism and the like are mental illnesses.

The people on Stormfront and other nationalists say the same thing for our ideologies.

While this is a powerful statement, it's partially untrue. Remember that people are products of their environments.

It's sad, I bet a lot of these people on Stormfront are only there because they see no other solution to the fault of their respective governments other than purging minorities and the supremacy of their culture and they have fallen to propaganda because there is no revolutionary movement or thought in their area. Or maybe they grew up with racist parents and nationalism and other prejudices are an inherent part of their thought because of how they have been raised.

It's not just a case of saying "they're all insane/ignorant/retarded/stupid", though I don't think everyone on Stormfront or all those who subscribe to some fascist/nationalist ideology may be the sharpest knives in the drawer, smart and sane fascists exist. But they are just confused products of their material conditions.

Don't be irrational like they are.

[Nox]

By supporting capitalism, workers are only furthering their own subjugation. What I meant by that was if you switch "women" and "fascist" with "workers" and "capitalism", it seems a lot less absurd. Capitalism is so entrenched and omnipresent that nobody would think it remotely unusual for a worker to support it or even work to further it, in spite of the fact that they're the ones most harmed by it. Sexism's the same.


Sorry, that first post came off a little pretentious and convoluted.


The difference is that the workers who support Capitalism are brainwashed.

Those women know exactly what they're supporting.

[Weezer]

The difference is that the workers who support Capitalism are brainwashed.

Those women know exactly what they're supporting.

Do they really?

[Nox]

Do they really?

Many of them spew out the same shit as their male counterparts.

They all, male and female, have fascist/white nationalist beliefs and the majority of them know what they believe in, what puzzles me is why the women support that if they know that it is an ideology that discriminates against women.

[Fawkes]

The difference is that the workers who support Capitalism are brainwashed.

Those women know exactly what they're supporting.

Those women are supporting division between the sexes with specific roles and behaviors assigned to either one. These roles are assigned based off of biological traits, i.e. they're perceived as natural and adhering to them will result in the betterment of humanity. This division and stratification exists everywhere -- even before a baby is born the parents can often be found purchasing either blue or pink items depending on its sex.

I don't know how you define "brainwashing", but being endlessly bombarded everywhere you go from the day of your birth with words, actions, images, movements, and structures that solidify and validate gender division and oppression seems to qualify.


What I'm trying to get at is that sexism is such an ingrained part of our society that even women passively or actively supporting it are no more surprising than workers supporting capitalism. The fact that every woman and non-hetero man is not doing everything in their power to eradicate sexism and heteronormativity is evidence of just how pervasive and widespread gender discrimination is.


what puzzles me is why the women support that if they know that it is an ideology that discriminates against women.
Because that discrimination has become so internalized that it seems normal.

[Commissar Rykov]

The people on Stormfront and other nationalists say the same thing for our ideologies.

While this is a powerful statement, it's partially untrue. Remember that people are products of their environments.

It's sad, I bet a lot of these people on Stormfront are only there because they see no other solution to the fault of their respective governments other than purging minorities and the supremacy of their culture and they have fallen to propaganda because there is no revolutionary movement or thought in their area. Or maybe they grew up with racist parents and nationalism and other prejudices are an inherent part of their thought because of how they have been raised.

It's not just a case of saying "they're all insane/ignorant/retarded/stupid", though I don't think everyone on Stormfront or all those who subscribe to some fascist/nationalist ideology may be the sharpest knives in the drawer, smart and sane fascists exist. But they are just confused products of their material conditions.

Don't be irrational like they are.

Agreed, in fact I wouldn't have come back to the Left myself from the Neo-Fascist movement if it hadn't been for a Left-Communist Friend of mine and a Intro Philosophy class. I was just put out specifically with my experiences in the CPUSA who seemed more interested in pumping me for dues then they did in regards to me getting people involved. The reality is there are plenty of people in these movements that can still be saved especially the Youth. They just need a guiding hand and friendship to show them how deep down the rabbit hole they have gone. Most like myself don't realize how much you have gotten yourself into until it is almost too late.

[Rusty Shackleford]

how they do it, i do not know. Really though, women are no different than men. women, like men, are capable of ideological development(which is obvious and shouldnt really need to be said)


That being said. there are instances of workers who are conscious of their position in society willfully allying with those who will only use them and abuse them.

The American Front which is in my area has a "Valkyrie Corps" but i have yet to see a single AF member unless one was a guy that came into my work who was basically in his 40s, fucked up teeth(he seriously looked like he had a meth problem) with fash tats. maybe hes both the valkyrie corps and the general membership in the area :lol:
http://www.adl.org/learn/images/valkyrie.gif