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Catmatic Leftist
1st July 2011, 22:40
AP – ADVANCE FOR MONDAY, JUNE 27 Children play in the garden of 'Egalia', a Swedish preschool aiming at gender …

By JENNY SOFFEL, Associated Press – Sun Jun 26, 11:40 am ET

STOCKHOLM – At the "Egalia" preschool, staff avoid using words like "him" or "her" and address the 33 kids as "friends" rather than girls and boys.

From the color and placement of toys to the choice of books, every detail has been carefully planned to make sure the children don't fall into gender stereotypes.

"Society expects girls to be girlie, nice and pretty and boys to be manly, rough and outgoing," says Jenny Johnsson, a 31-year-old teacher. "Egalia gives them a fantastic opportunity to be whoever they want to be."

The taxpayer-funded preschool which opened last year in the liberal Sodermalm district of Stockholm for kids aged 1 to 6 is among the most radical examples of Sweden's efforts to engineer equality between the sexes from childhood onward.

Breaking down gender roles is a core mission in the national curriculum for preschools, underpinned by the theory that even in highly egalitarian-minded Sweden, society gives boys an unfair edge.
To even things out, many preschools have hired "gender pedagogues" to help staff identify language and behavior that risk reinforcing stereotypes.

Some parents worry things have gone too far. An obsession with obliterating gender roles, they say, could make the children confused and ill-prepared to face the world outside kindergarten.

"Different gender roles aren't problematic as long as they are equally valued," says Tanja Bergkvist, a 37-year-old blogger and a leading voice against what she calls "gender madness" in Sweden.

Those bent on shattering gender roles "say there's a hierarchy where everything that boys do is given higher value, but I wonder who decides that it has higher value," she says. "Why is there higher value in playing with cars?"

At Egalia — the title connotes "equality" — boys and girls play together with a toy kitchen, waving plastic utensils and pretending to cook. One boy hides inside the toy stove, his head popping out through a hole.

Lego bricks and other building blocks are intentionally placed next to the kitchen, to make sure the children draw no mental barriers between cooking and construction.

Director Lotta Rajalin notes that Egalia places a special emphasis on fostering an environment tolerant of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people. From a bookcase, she pulls out a story about two male giraffes who are sad to be childless — until they come across an abandoned crocodile egg.
Nearly all the children's books deal with homosexual couples, single parents or adopted children. There are no "Snow White," "Cinderella" or other classic fairy tales seen as cementing stereotypes.

Rajalin, 52, says the staff also try to help the children discover new ideas when they play.

"A concrete example could be when they're playing 'house' and the role of the mom already is taken and they start to squabble," she says. "Then we suggest two moms or three moms and so on."

Egalia's methods are controversial; some say they amount to mind control. Rajalin says the staff have received threats from racists apparently upset about the preschool's use of black dolls.

But she says that there's a long waiting list for admission to Egalia, and that only one couple has pulled a child out of the school.

Jukka Korpi, 44, says he and his wife chose Egalia "to give our children all the possibilities based on who they are and not on their gender."

Sweden has promoted women's rights for decades, and more recently was a pioneer among European countries in allowing gay and lesbian couples to legalize their partnerships and adopt children.

Gender studies permeate academic life in Sweden. Bergkvist noted on her blog that the state-funded Swedish Science Council had granted $80,000 for a postdoctoral fellowship aimed at analyzing "the trumpet as a symbol of gender."

Jay Belsky, a child psychologist at the University of California, Davis, said he's not aware of any other school like Egalia, and he questioned whether it was the right way to go.

"The kind of things that boys like to do — run around and turn sticks into swords — will soon be disapproved of," he said. "So gender neutrality at its worst is emasculating maleness."

Egalia is unusual even for Sweden. Staff try to shed masculine and feminine references from their speech, including the pronouns him or her — "han" or "hon" in Swedish. Instead, they've have adopted the genderless "hen," a word that doesn't exist in Swedish but is used in some feminist and gay circles.

"We use the word "Hen" for example when a doctor, police, electrician or plumber or such is coming to the kindergarten," Rajalin says. "We don't know if it's a he or a she so we just say 'Hen is coming around 2 p.m.' Then the children can imagine both a man or a woman. This widens their view."

Egalia doesn't deny the biological differences between boys and girls — the dolls the children play with are anatomically correct.

What matters is that children understand that their biological differences "don't mean boys and girls have different interests and abilities," Rajalin says. "This is about democracy. About human equality."

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Stand Your Ground
1st July 2011, 22:52
Sounds great, let's hope this idea spreads.

Crux
1st July 2011, 22:54
"Different gender roles aren't problematic as long as they are equally valued," says Tanja Bergkvist, a 37-year-old blogger and a leading voice against what she calls "gender madness" in Sweden.

Those bent on shattering gender roles "say there's a hierarchy where everything that boys do is given higher value, but I wonder who decides that it has higher value," she says. "Why is there higher value in playing with cars?"
:laugh: Never heard of her. Which isn't really suprising, just another right-wing internet crusader.

And Jay Belsky's comment comes off as pretty ignorant and obviously not based on any knowledge of the kindergarten in question but just his own prejudice.

But hey I guess I am preaching to the choir here.

Queercommie Girl
4th July 2011, 02:44
But hey I guess I am preaching to the choir here.

I wouldn't just assume everyone here has a relatively progressive view on gender actually.

PhoenixAsh
4th July 2011, 03:07
Right...

Lets see how this works out. Because I can't judge from one article.

Two side notes:

What is an item of worry is that this is a stand alone project. These kids will leave this pre-school and go on to a school with aq vast majority of kids who weren't educated in the same way. Thats going to be harsh on the kids. From that perspective...I wonder how effective this will be for the kids if this doesn't get a follow up.

Second thing. Since the emphasize is on books dealing with everything except traditional family structure...one could ask oneself how gender neutral the school really is.

But right now...those things are merely based on this one article. Too soon to tell....I think this requires time and some study into the matter how it affects the kid and if it works. If it does...great. If it doesn't we could learn how to adust so that it will.

Queercommie Girl
4th July 2011, 03:12
My main concern isn't so much with "imposing" a gender-neutral education from above on all the children, it's actually more about the fact that those people who simply do not fit well into the rigid binary gender mode of contemporary society in general should be respected by society.

IMO to impose a gender binary on society and to impose a genderless mode on society are just as bad as each other. The key is cultural democracy. There should be a diversity of gender expressions, the more diverse, the better.

Tenka
4th July 2011, 19:50
IMO to impose a gender binary on society and to impose a genderless mode on society are just as bad as each other. The key is cultural democracy. There should be a diversity of gender expressions, the more diverse, the better.
There is more room for diversity in a "genderless mode" which disregards binary genders which are in themselves stereotypes. The strict attitude the school has towards books might be just a little bit troubling to some though. I wonder how large their library could be...

Le Socialiste
5th July 2011, 04:34
That's pretty cool, definitely a step forward.

Das war einmal
5th July 2011, 07:36
staff avoid using words like "him" or "her" and address the 33 kids as "friends" rather than girls and boys.I don't think thats necessary or useful. Speaking of 'friends' instead of 'him' or 'her' sounds a bit like the meaningless 'comrade' used for both men and women in "1984".



Some parents worry things have gone too far. An obsession with obliterating gender roles, they say, could make the children confused and ill-prepared to face the world outside kindergarten.This is something that indeed should be considered.

It does not sound like an effective way to combat gender inequality to be honest.

Crux
5th July 2011, 11:06
"Some parents" is obviously a weasel-word.

And also I don't really see the argument against breaking gender-steretypes here, to say that it would not prepare them for the "real world" sounds dangerously reactionary, rather I think it gives a support and confidence, especially for LGBT-people and girls, that would not necessarily be delivered in a normal pre-school.

jake williams
5th July 2011, 11:24
IMO to impose a gender binary on society and to impose a genderless mode on society are just as bad as each other. The key is cultural democracy. There should be a diversity of gender expressions, the more diverse, the better.
I totally and categorically disagree.

There is nothing oppressive about legitimately genderless education. There are lots of "gender expressions" which should be repressed: misogyny, homophobia, and violence are central to many "gender expressions", as are deference and subordination. These aren't positive things.

All children should be encouraged to be creative, caring, curious, assertive, physically active, capable and self-confident.

This isn't to say that "genderless education" should be a vehicle for enforcing heteronormativity, but while in principle I can imagine the use of ostensibly progressive de-gendered education as a way of repressing "femininity" in boys and "masculinity" in girls, I don't think it's generally very likely and I don't think it's going on in this particular case.

Queercommie Girl
5th July 2011, 11:38
I totally and categorically disagree.

There is nothing oppressive about legitimately genderless education. There are lots of "gender expressions" which should be repressed: misogyny, homophobia, and violence are central to many "gender expressions", as are deference and subordination. These aren't positive things.

All children should be encouraged to be creative, caring, curious, assertive, physically active, capable and self-confident.


I'm a cultural anarchist and I don't believe culture should be something that is dictated by the "state", including a worker's state.

The job of the state is simply to ensure that discriminatory attitudes, such as homophobia, transphobia and sexism, are not tolerated. Other than that, people should have the freedom to be either "macho" or "femme" in whatever way they wish.

Reminds me of something: In the PRC in order to get into university one has to pass Physical Education, even if one does a subject which is completely unrelated to sports like maths. I was terrible at sports as a kid who failed every single P.E. test, and it's a good thing I moved to the UK during secondary school, otherwise I certainly wouldn't have been able to get into university. Just a by-product of the Stalinist obsession to create the "proletarian superman/superwoman" who is supposed to be "good at everything".

jake williams
5th July 2011, 12:19
I'm a cultural anarchist and I don't believe culture should be something that is dictated by the "state", including a worker's state.

The job of the state is simply to ensure that discriminatory attitudes, such as homophobia, transphobia and sexism, are not tolerated. Other than that, people should have the freedom to be either "macho" or "femme" in whatever way they wish.

Reminds me of something: In the PRC in order to get into university one has to pass Physical Education, even if one does a subject which is completely unrelated to sports like maths. I was terrible at sports as a kid who failed every single P.E. test, and it's a good thing I moved to the UK during secondary school, otherwise I certainly wouldn't have been able to get into university. Just a by-product of the Stalinist obsession to create the "proletarian superman/superwoman" who is supposed to be "good at everything".
The basis of the modern feminist movement (which I suppose I might contrast to the "postmodern" feminist movement, and thus might distinguish from that which is actually contemporary) is that gender is a legitimate terrain of political struggle. I'll take a "stalinist" over someone who resolutely refuses to make gender a political issue any day.

No, it's not okay for people to be "macho". Machismo isn't anything other than male chauvinism, homophobia, sexual and other violence, and so on. And insofar as "masculine" identities contain positive traits, these traits shouldn't be gendered. One doesn't need to be "macho" to be capable of, say, defending oneself in an argument. Everyone should be at very least culturally allowed to do this. The ascription of a gender to this sort of capacity can only serve to reinforce reactionary gender stereotypes which centrally implicate reactionary practices and beliefs, whatever pretensions those doing it might have.

I'm also not saying that everyone needs to be a professional athlete, but promoting amateur sports and other physical activities are more than cost-effective healthy policy, though they're that too (for example, Cuba is the only country I know of which explicitly protects the right to sport for the whole population in its constitution, something which probably has a role in its health outcomes). I can't speak to China, but I can say from a lot more than personal experiences both that sexism and homophobia (ie. enforcement of gender) are severe barriers to participation in sports, and that physical activity, when it's participated in willingly, has extremely positive effects both psychological and physical.

I don't have any obsession with an idealized superhuman who is good at everything, but I'm very much obsessed with the fact that we live in a society that still largely believes it's basically legtimate for women to be systematically relegated to grueling domestic work and a few marginalized industries where wages are especially repressed. I think this is something which we actually have to fight. If you disagree, in the name of "cultural anarchism" or not, then we fundamentally aren't on the same side on this issue.

I'm not going to deny at all that there are serious issues of making the struggle for the abolition of sexism one which is open and democratic, issues which have not always historically been taken seriously, which partly explains reactionary or irrational gender policies that have been implemented in socialist countries (that said, I think in many cases, and Cuba comes to mind, reactionary gender policies represent in part a failure to seriously direct the political movement, including its state, against reactionary biases in the culture). Central among these anti-democratizing factors however is that we have to contend with the large scale psychological violence directed against women as a group, a violence particularly directed at the prevention of women from participation in politics. Countering this psychological violence, especially in early education, can almost only have positive effects.

Queercommie Girl
5th July 2011, 12:46
The basis of the modern feminist movement (which I suppose I might contrast to the "postmodern" feminist movement, and thus might distinguish from that which is actually contemporary) is that gender is a legitimate terrain of political struggle. I'll take a "stalinist" over someone who resolutely refuses to make gender a political issue any day.


Gender is a legitimate terrain of political struggle in the sense of fighting against inequality and discrimination, not to impose the same kind of cultural mould on every single person, no matter how progressive or objectively efficient that cultural mould may be.



No, it's not okay for people to be "macho". Machismo isn't anything other than male chauvinism, homophobia, sexual and other violence, and so on.


You don't seem to be capable of imagining "machismo" which isn't discriminatory in any way.



I'm also not saying that everyone needs to be a professional athlete, but promoting amateur sports and other physical activities are more than cost-effective healthy policy, though they're that too (for example, Cuba is the only country I know of which explicitly protects the right to sport for the whole population in its constitution, something which probably has a role in its health outcomes). I can't speak to China, but I can say from a lot more than personal experiences both that sexism and homophobia (ie. enforcement of gender) are severe barriers to participation in sports, and that physical activity, when it's participated in willingly, has extremely positive effects both psychological and physical.


What I'm saying is that it is discriminatory to refuse university entry to a student simply because he or she is terrible at sports, even if he/she is doing a subject which is completely unrelated to sports, like the PRC used to do. It's almost like a form of eugenics if you think about it - one can't get into university unless one is physically fit to a minimum level.

When it comes to economics I am very anti-liberal, but when it comes to culture I'd rather have Western liberalism than Stalinist totalitarianism. Cultural democracy is more important than whether or not something is objectively efficient.



I don't have any obsession with an idealized superhuman who is good at everything, but I'm very much obsessed with the fact that we live in a society that still largely believes it's basically legtimate for women to be systematically relegated to grueling domestic work and a few marginalized industries where wages are especially repressed. I think this is something which we actually have to fight. If you disagree, in the name of "cultural anarchism" or not, then we fundamentally aren't on the same side on this issue.


I support general cultural democracy, but only if it's not discriminatory. I don't support cultural forms which are discriminatory.

Manic Impressive
5th July 2011, 13:22
I think the school is a great thing and extremely progressive for society. I get what Isuel is saying about totalitarianism but IMO this is how you dismantle patriarchy and this school will nurture "cultural democracy". It seems to me that the children are not pushed in any direction but are free to act in whichever way they choose. If a child wants to behave in a masculine way they are free to and if a child wants to act in a feminine way they are uninhibited and if they want to be both they can do that too. It seems like the freedom. As for being ill prepared on leaving school I think that's ridiculous, they will be better prepared to accept others as equals. I think going through life without prejudices opens up so many opportunities to learning from others that the kids will have an advantage over others.

Queercommie Girl
5th July 2011, 13:33
I think the school is a great thing and extremely progressive for society. I get what Isuel is saying about totalitarianism but IMO this is how you dismantle patriarchy and this school will nurture "cultural democracy". It seems to me that the children are not pushed in any direction but are free to act in whichever way they choose. If a child wants to behave in a masculine way they are free to and if a child wants to act in a feminine way they are uninhibited and if they want to be both they can do that too. It seems like the freedom. As for being ill prepared on leaving school I think that's ridiculous, they will be better prepared to accept others as equals. I think going through life without prejudices opens up so many opportunities to learning from others that the kids will have an advantage over others.

To be fair though, I wasn't really directly criticising the school. I was making a general point.