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Strannik
29th June 2011, 09:53
I have some random questions! :)

- Do I understand it correctly, that Socialists want to use more or less ordinary republic (separated powers: legislative, executive, military) in order to manage the economy towards communism; Communists want to establish a new direct democracy-based violence platform for managing the economy towards communism and anarchists just want to forget the state and start living in the communism?

So the basic question that is argued is - what kind of violence management system would get us into communism?

- Is there a table or wiki or something with standpoints of different groups? :)

- Has anyone worked on economic simulation models for socialist-communist economies?

The Idler
29th June 2011, 13:59
Marx used the terms socialism and communism relatively interchangeably. The Socialist Party of Great Britain and companion parties take the view that this will be a stateless (so not a republic) and moneyless society. This will be accomplished by democratically winning a majority to socialism.

There is a table of different groups but none on political positions. The main international tendencies are;
IST (http://www.istendency.net/)
IMT (http://www.marxist.com/)
CWI (http://socialistworld.net/)
RFI (http://internationalviewpoint.org/)
IAF-IFA (http://www.iaf-ifa.org/)
IWA-AIT (http://www.iwa-ait.org/)
WSM (http://www.worldsocialism.org/)
LFI (http://www.fifthinternational.org/)
ICFI (http://www.wsws.org/)

Zanthorus
29th June 2011, 14:22
So the basic question that is argued is - what kind of violence management system would get us into communism?

The questions which differentiate far-left groups include but are not limited to the role and nature of trade unions, whether to support various national liberation struggles, the nature of the Soviet Union, whether to send deputies to parliament, the role and nature of the party-form, the possibility of working with non-revolutionary groups of various stripes and whether or not the music of the 80's would be best forgotten. It would be more than a tad simplistic to say that everything boils down to a question of the state.


Is there a table or wiki or something with standpoints of different groups? :)

No, and to be honest you would probably be better off reading the material of groups yourself rather than understanding their positions on the basis of reductionist diagrams.

Fopeos
29th June 2011, 14:56
Socialism is workers' control of the means of production and thus, control of the government. Once workers' states have been established worldwide, Communism can be built. The word " socialism" is often used to describe bourgeois democracies that have a leftward slant. The various "socialist" parties in power today are reformist and not revolutionary. It's unfortunate that the term has become so dilluted. Read more Marx. I don't know much about the anarchist platform.

Commie73
29th June 2011, 16:02
Socialism is workers' control of the means of production and thus, control of the government. Once workers' states have been established worldwide, Communism can be built. The word " socialism" is often used to describe bourgeois democracies that have a leftward slant. The various "socialist" parties in power today are reformist and not revolutionary. It's unfortunate that the term has become so dilluted. Read more Marx. I don't know much about the anarchist platform.


Actually most Socialist Partys in power today are not reformist, but are actively supportive of capitalism.

miltonwasfried...man
29th June 2011, 16:08
http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/secAcon.html

A great site covering anarchy theory and view points.