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Nothing Human Is Alien
28th June 2011, 19:40
CANBERRA (Reuters) - Risks are growing that incidents at sea involving China could lead to war in Asia, an Australian policy think tank warned on Tuesday.

Concentrated on the South and East China seas, the risk-taking behavior of the Chinese military, resource needs, and greater assertiveness, raised the possibility of armed conflict that could draw in the United States and other powers, the Lowy Institute said in a report.

"The sea lanes of Indo-Pacific Asia are becoming more crowded, contested and vulnerable to armed strife. Naval and air forces are being strengthened amid shifting balances of economic strategic weight," report authors Rory Medcalf and Raoul Heinrichs wrote.

"China's frictions with the United States, Japan and India are likely to persist and intensify. As the number and tempo of incidents increases, so does the likelihood that an episode will escalate to armed confrontation, diplomatic crisis or possibly even conflict," the report said.

The study on major powers and maritime security in Indo-Pacific Asia was published as China prepares to unveil its first aircraft carrier, perhaps this week, a development has caused worries in the region about China's ongoing military expansion.

Earlier this month, China sent its biggest civilian patrol ship to the South China Sea. That rattled the Philippines, which makes competing claims to some waters thought to hold vast oil and gas reserves.

On Monday, the U.S. Senate passed a resolution that deplored China's use of force against Vietnamese and Philippine ships in South China Sea.

"DANGER ZONE"

Medcalf and Heinrichs said more maritime patrols and intrusive surveillance, coupled with nationalism and resources disputes, all make it harder to manage arguments over maritime sovereignty.

"All of these factors are making Asia a danger zone for incidents at sea: close-range encounters involving vessels and aircraft from competing powers, typically in sensitive or contested zones," the report said.

The report detailed tensions between China and Japan, stemming from the April 2010 Chinese naval exercise near Japan's southern Okinawa islands, followed by Japan's arrest of a Chinese fisherman, whose trawler rammed a Japanese coastguard vessel.

Those incidents provoked a diplomatic crisis and saw China cut its exports of crucial rare earth minerals to Japan.

Despite initial signs of warmer bilateral ties following the March tsunami and nuclear crisis in Japan, security relations remain tense after Japan a month earlier scrambled fighter jets when Chinese surveillance planes approached disputed islands.

"Helicopter buzzing incidents have continued, with Japan deploring as especially insensitive an instance that occurred in the weeks following the March disaster," the report said.

It said Beijing has caused concern in other Southeast Asian nations over its "core interest" claim on the South China Sea, and in Australia about China's possible future security behavior, while there was widespread speculation that competition between India and China at sea was "only a matter of time."

Medcalf and Heinrichs said new efforts were needed to build regional confidence and to involve China in a continued military dialogue with the United States and Japan.

They also said maritime security hotlines were needed between the U.S. and China, and Japan and China, to allow real-time responses to any incidents.

(Reporting by James Grubel; Editing by Balazs Koranyi and Daniel Magnowski)

Queercommie Girl
28th June 2011, 20:08
Actually even from a Chinese nationalist perspective, China should unite more with the smaller nations around the region to form a bloc against the incursions of US imperialism. At the moment it seems both China and the other smaller nations of the South China Sea are acting in a way that is playing right into the hands of American imperialism.

Asians generally aren't as united as the Latin Americans are.

danyboy27
28th June 2011, 21:00
Actually even from a Chinese nationalist perspective, China should unite more with the smaller nations around the region to form a bloc against the incursions of US imperialism. At the moment it seems both China and the other smaller nations of the South China Sea are acting in a way that is playing right into the hands of American imperialism.

Asians generally aren't as united as the Latin Americans are.

dont worry man, china will unite the shit out of those countries.

Triple A
28th June 2011, 21:02
I dont support China but is seems to me that south CHINA sea should belong to China.

Just sayin.

bricolage
28th June 2011, 21:08
I dont support China but is seems to me that south CHINA sea should belong to China.

Just sayin.
Dude I agree, just like the BRITISH empire should still belong to Britain.

hatzel
28th June 2011, 21:09
I dont support China but is seems to me that south CHINA sea should belong to China.

...do you have anything to back up that claim other than the fact that in some languages (not including Chinese) it's called the South China Sea? Or were you perhaps not being serious? :confused:

Triple A
28th June 2011, 21:11
...do you have anything to back up that claim other than the fact that in some languages (not including Chinese) it's called the South China Sea? Or were you perhaps not being serious? :confused:

I was trying to point chinese imperialism, missunderstood.

Pretty Flaco
28th June 2011, 21:15
The Americas. All of it should belong to, oh I dunno, AMERICA!

Revy
28th June 2011, 21:54
I dont support China but is seems to me that south CHINA sea should belong to China.

Just sayin.

So the entire Indian Ocean belongs to India?

Intriguing concept, comrade.

Revy
28th June 2011, 21:57
The Americas. All of it should belong to, oh I dunno, AMERICA!

how confusing we call ourselves America but then there's North and South America.

We should change it to Usonia. :) The Republic of Usonia...and call ourselves Usonians

U.S.O.N.I.A. = United States Of Northern Independent America

I'm not sure if I'm serious but I always found it an interesting proposal...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usonia

Dogs On Acid
28th June 2011, 22:06
I doubt China and U.S.A. would have any direct conflict. But China's national resources are growing shorter by the day, especially Lithium I've heard.

It's going to be interesting.

danyboy27
28th June 2011, 23:13
It's going to be interesting.

books are interesting, movies, tv shows, artist performances, and the way nature operate is interesting.

the prospect of hundred, perhaps thousand of worker killed over a fossil fuel source isnt.

Hivemind
28th June 2011, 23:18
More wars, eh? Gotta love mankind. It will be interesting to see how this will unfold, but hopefully it doesn't become something major.

Dogs On Acid
28th June 2011, 23:36
books are interesting, movies, tv shows, artist performances, and the way nature operate is interesting.

the prospect of hundred, perhaps thousand of worker killed over a fossil fuel source isnt.

Any event that leads to a slaughter of workers certainly isn't uninteresting you plank.

Hexen
28th June 2011, 23:57
More wars, eh? Gotta love mankind.

Becareful falling into that "human nature" pitfall, the main causes of war is from capitalism.

Queercommie Girl
29th June 2011, 00:57
dont worry man, china will unite the shit out of those countries.

You forget that US imperialism is currently partly behind the other nations' anti-China attitudes as well.

Also, you shouldn't see China as fundamentally different from other poor Asian countries just because of its large size. China's GDP per capita is about the same as that of Vietnam.

Rather than seeing other Asian nations as the "victims" of Chinese imperialism, which is an idea US imperialism is trying to promote, in truth much of Asia is being exploited by US imperialism at the moment, including China itself. Western corporations are running wild on Chinese soil and exploiting cheap Chinese labour as we speak. Despite China's expansionist tendencies to some extent, it's not like China is an imperialist power on the same level as the US. China is more of a regional power at the moment, while the US is a global power.

scourge007
29th June 2011, 01:08
Now more workers have to die fighting wars for capitalists.:rolleyes:

Dogs On Acid
29th June 2011, 01:45
Now more workers have to die fighting wars for capitalists.:rolleyes:

It will always be that way as long as the Capitalists rule.

danyboy27
29th June 2011, 02:54
You forget that US imperialism is currently partly behind the other nations' anti-China attitudes as well.
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Partly is the key word here. Having a big nationalist neibor looking for ressources dosnt help for sure.




Also, you shouldn't see China as fundamentally different from other poor Asian countries just because of its large size. China's GDP per capita is about the same as that of Vietnam.

the chinese GDP index is a bad way of looking at chinese growth, Their currency is undervalued and there are big chunk of their budget and spending that are not disclosed to the public. CHina is on the verge of being a superpower.



Rather than seeing other Asian nations as the "victims" of Chinese imperialism, which is an idea US imperialism is trying to promote, in truth much of Asia is being exploited by US imperialism at the moment, including China itself. Western corporations are running wild on Chinese soil and exploiting cheap Chinese labour as we speak. Despite China's expansionist tendencies to some extent, it's not like China is an imperialist power on the same level as the US. China is more of a regional power at the moment, while the US is a global power.

Indeed, china is not has imperialist has the us, and their methods are fairly differents.

Western corporations are indeed exploiting the chinese slave labor, but only beccause the chinese governement allow it, beccause the chinese governement want infrastructures and money.

the chinese governement is using the corporation appeal for short term project in order to fufill their long term project of nationalism and expansion.

i dont think the chinese governement is a victim here, and i dont think the indonesian or the vietnamese governement are victim either.

Its a nationalistic pissing contest and china got the biggest dick.