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El Brujo
11th October 2003, 06:15
This is a bit old but still very relevant


http://www.agitprop.org.au/stopnato/199912...224ceauapus.htm (http://www.agitprop.org.au/stopnato/19991224ceauapus.htm)

Author: Alison Mutler
Publisher/Date: Associated Press (US), December 23, 1999
Title: Romanians Question Ceausescu Death

BUCHAREST, Romania (AP) -- Ten years ago, dictator Nicolae Ceausescu and his widely despised wife, Elena, were executed after being ousted in a popular uprising. Romanians rejoiced.

Today, few Romanians are celebrating the December 1989 revolution -- and many are having second thoughts about the execution of Ceausescu -- who ruled Romania with an iron first for 25 years. He and his wife were shot to death by a firing squad after a summary trial on Dec. 25, 1989.

"The Ceausescus were killed so they couldn't talk. They should have given him a fair trial,'' said Mihai Borezescu, 55, who was stopped while passing by a monument to the victims of the revolution that spawned democracy.

"He was a human being after all,'' Borezescu said.

That was not the prevailing sentiment 10 years ago, when Romanians hailed the execution of the Ceausescus, who had lived in luxury while most Romanians went hungry and cold.

But today, with a sagging economy, rising unemployment and growing dissatisfaction with the government, Romanians seem more inclined to be forgiving of the oppressive Ceausescu era.

In opinion polls, up to two-thirds of Romanians surveyed say they led better lives under communism. In one recent poll, 20 percent of respondents said they believed Ceausescu was the best leader Romania ever had.

Some Romanians are ashamed that the Ceausescus were killed on a Christian holy day.

"It was a Christmas Day,'' said Cornelia Babes, 50. "It was wrong to kill him ... in principle.''

The subject of Ceausescu's execution is considered so delicate that the governments that succeeded him have never discussed it.

However, Valentin Ceausescu, the 51-year-old son of the late dictator, is outspoken about the way his parents were treated.

"I won't complain,'' he said in an interview with The Associated Press. "But what they did was so blatantly illegal.''

In downtown Bucharest, oval wreaths of red and white carnations, all from anti-communist groups, have been placed on memorials outside the former Communist Party headquarters. But there are no longer large outpourings of public sentiment.

On Wednesday, for example, only 70 people turned out for a re-enactment of the revolt. On Thursday, passersby did not even turn their heads to look at a marble memorial to the 1,000 people who died in the bloody revolt.

Still, one of the organizers of the Ceausescus' trial said there would have been no revolution had they been allowed to live.

"What made the revolution viable was the death of two people,'' said Gelu Voican Voiculescu, a former ambassador to Tunisia who now runs a publishing house in Bucharest.

"I buried them,'' Voiculescu said, "and I thought I'd buried communism with them.''

Comrade Ceausescu
11th October 2003, 20:17
i support comrade ceausescu 100%.if you type in "ceausescu Nostalgia" in google,you'll find a ton of articles like that.same with socialist countries like east germany,etc.

Loknar
11th October 2003, 21:09
The simple fact is nobody likes oppression. That is why he was shot, that is why 100,000 Russian civilians surrounded the winder palace to prevent a Coup of Yelsin’s government.


Is Ceausescu any different than Czar Nicholas?

El Brujo
11th October 2003, 21:10
Good job completely ignoring the context of the article, Lonkar.

synthesis
11th October 2003, 21:27
Wasn't Ceaucescu funded in part by the U.S., a la Pol Pot? I could be wrong, but I swear I read that somewhere.

Comrade Ceausescu
11th October 2003, 21:29
The simple fact is nobody likes oppression. That is why he was shot, that is why 100,000 Russian civilians surrounded the winder palace to prevent a Coup of Yelsin’s government.


Is Ceausescu any different than Czar Nicholas?

i hope this guy goes out like adolf.

Loknar
11th October 2003, 21:34
Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 09:29 PM

The simple fact is nobody likes oppression. That is why he was shot, that is why 100,000 Russian civilians surrounded the winder palace to prevent a Coup of Yelsin’s government.


Is Ceausescu any different than Czar Nicholas?

i hope this guy goes out like adolf.
Why?

And answer my question.

Comrade Ceausescu
11th October 2003, 21:37
ok,i find you extremly annoying.you completly ignored the point of this post,and made a comment irrelavent to the exact topic of the post.

Cassius Clay
12th October 2003, 12:34
Our Ceasescu shouldn't be 'supported 100%'. He was best friends with Tito, Iranian clergy and the U$. The man built palaces for himself. He only got a reputation as a 'hardliner' when he refused to go along with Gorbachev, good for him I say but it doesn't make him a Marxist-Leninist. Hoxha said it right about the Romanian 'Communists' when he said

'They can talk about the dictatorship of the workers all they want but they keep on building luxury Dacha's while the Romanian workers face oppression'

The U$ gave him the same aid they gave Tito and you want to know why they did that. Because he sold out the Romanian people just like Tito did

About Yelstin. Even in 1991 the majority of people supported the continuation of the USSR, see referendum of that year. How many people died due to the 'hardliners' in 1991? Three all of whom were run over by a lone APC, the truth is that those 'hardliners' failed because Yelstin only had a bunch of unarmed kids protecting him. Yet in 1993 Yelstin procedded to massacre hundreds of democraticly elected officials.

Whose the 'hardliner' again?

komsomol
1st November 2003, 19:10
I don't know how anybody could like Ceausescu, they don't call him the 'king of Communism' for nothing.

elijahcraig
1st November 2003, 19:21
He also attempted to make Vlad the Impaler into a national icon.

Soviet power supreme
1st November 2003, 23:09
Well i think that things in Romania is going to get a lot worse if they join EU.Estonia,Latvia,Lithuania and all the other Eastern European countries may cheer now but just wait couple years and they start *****ing around.

YKTMX
2nd November 2003, 16:57
People can feel nostalgic about lots of awful things when times are seen to be worse than before, doesn't mean they are valid. If public opinion decided whats right and whats wrong then the whole world would be a pile of shit.

elijahcraig
3rd November 2003, 02:08
If public opinion decided whats right and whats wrong then the whole world would be a pile of shit.

So true.

Red October
5th November 2003, 17:03
Ceausescu was a piece of shit that needed to go. While much of the Romanian populace had to stand in line for a fucking piece of bread, he and his slut wife were living in pure luxury at the King's former royal palace.

Secondly, for Romania to have to bow down to the European Union is deplorable. Already France is trying to dictate to the Romanians what to do with their economy and their politics. And yes, while politics in Romania are currently corrupt beyond imagination by capitalist gangsters, it would be even worse to take orders from France.

Red October
5th November 2003, 17:06
Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 08:21 PM
He also attempted to make Vlad the Impaler into a national icon.
What's wrong with that? That's one of the only GOOD things he did. It's part of Romanian cultural identity.

Saint-Just
5th November 2003, 21:46
I agree on the Vlad the Impaler issue Red October. But, I do not think his wife was a 'slut'.

Red October
5th November 2003, 22:54
Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 5 2003, 10:46 PM
I agree on the Vlad the Impaler issue Red October. But, I do not think his wife was a 'slut'.
Any woman that lives on the backs of the people is a slut. Any woman that grants herself positions of power while the people starve is a slut.

elijahcraig
5th November 2003, 23:44
Vlad the Impaler good? He slaughtered Muslims indiscriminately? You don't get the name "Dracula" and an illustrious career in horror films for being a great man.