Reconciliation Of Government

[Mr. Cervantes]

Aren't all governments by there very definition authoritarian and fascist?

How does the communist reconcile this?

For me anarchy isn't a option so it would appear that communism has the need of some form of government in maintaining itself.

How does the communist overcome the challenges of government?

[The Intransigent Faction]

Aren't all governments by there very definition authoritarian and fascist?

How does the communist reconcile this?

For me anarchy isn't a option so it would appear that communism has the need of some form of government in maintaining itself.

How does the communist overcome the challenges of government?

First off, there's a difference between the state as a separate, effectively capitalist class of bureaucrats, and "government". Self-government of the masses (I'm talking genuinely democratic workers' councils and such, not some Leninist authoritarianism "on behalf of the workers") is hardly "fascist" in character (fascism has a particular meaning, as well, so careful about throwing that word around at any sort of oppressive regime).

What do you mean "for me anarchy isn't an option"? Communism would be a classless, stateless society, which is effectively anarchistic (no leaders/hierarchy).

So in short the answer to your question is that communism sets itself apart from previous class societies wherein one class controls a state to oppress another, hence it is the autonomous self-government of the masses, which is hardly implausible but won't come easily.

[Mr. Cervantes]

First off, there's a difference between the state as a separate, effectively capitalist class of bureaucrats, and "government". Self-government of the masses (I'm talking genuinely democratic workers' councils and such, not some Leninist authoritarianism "on behalf of the workers") is hardly "fascist" in character (fascism has a particular meaning, as well, so careful about throwing that word around at any sort of oppressive regime).

What do you mean "for me anarchy isn't an option"? Communism would be a classless, stateless society, which is effectively anarchistic (no leaders/hierarchy).

So in short the answer to your question is that communism sets itself apart from previous class societies wherein one class controls a state to oppress another, hence it is the autonomous self-government of the masses, which is hardly implausible but won't come easily.

If there is no state what would stop individuals from oppressing each other?

[Sensible Socialist]

If there is no state what would stop individuals from oppressing each other?
Through what means would they oppress others? The most common way, under capitalism, is through wage enslavement. But because private capital is abolished, no one person could have a stranglehold on others through the use of capital.

[Mr. Cervantes]

Through what means would they oppress others? The most common way, under capitalism, is through wage enslavement. But because private capital is abolished, no one person could have a stranglehold on others through the use of capital.

I guess that sort of makes sense.

There will of course be dissenters that will try to insurrect against a communist system. What would be done with them?

I just can't imagine a anarchist society working very well without some sort of central administration of management.

To be sure such administration would be selected by the populance for the populance within all it's objectives or goals.