differents modes of productions

[danyboy27]

In its evolution, capitalism created a more centralised method of production (factories), and used technologies and machine to deprive the worker from its skills, making the avearge industrial worker nothing more than a simple operator that can be replaced any time.

If workshop are a thing if the past, and factories a pure capitalist creation with the sole purpose of exploiting the working class to the bone in order to generate has much surplus value has possible, what would be next, what production would look like in a world without capitalism?

[Revolution starts with U]

I see no reason why we wouldn't still have factories. It just, sans exploitation of labor, allows better leisure/labor ratios.

[danyboy27]

I see no reason why we wouldn't still have factories. It just, sans exploitation of labor, allows better leisure/labor ratios.

for that, you would need the factory not stealing the skill of the worker and eliminate the highly hierarchical structure that compose it.

and if you do that, a factory cannot continue to function has one.


for a factory to work you need those thing, you need workers here on time in order to be able to complete the construction process, you need monotonous tasks a worker have to repeat over and over.

i guess in theory you could have a fully automated factory and a bunch of engineer maintaining those, but the engineer would find themselves basicly in the same situationn than the worker where on the assembly line

[#FF0000]

I don't think that's always a problem to be honest. First of all, AI is getting better all the time, and is already fucking impressive. Secondly, work doesn't suck because it's monotonous. Lots of things are monotonous. Practicing an instrument is monotonous. Writing is monotonous. Fishing in monotonous. Video games can be monotonous. The difference between these things and work, though, is that work isn't necessarily fulfilling, and that you aren't in control of the product of all of your labor, whereas you get something when you practice an instrument you want to play or whatever.

Also, keep in mind that the differences between factories and workshops and farms as they existed before the industrial revolution is night and day. The pure amount of shit that one could produce even early on in the IndRev compared to how much was produced in workshops is fucking staggering.

[danyboy27]

I don't think that's always a problem to be honest. First of all, AI is getting better all the time, and is already fucking impressive. Secondly, work doesn't suck because it's monotonous. Lots of things are monotonous. Practicing an instrument is monotonous. Writing is monotonous. Fishing in monotonous. Video games can be monotonous. The difference between these things and work, though, is that work isn't necessarily fulfilling, and that you aren't in control of the product of all of your labor, whereas you get something when you practice an instrument you want to play or whatever.

Also, keep in mind that the differences between factories and workshops and farms as they existed before the industrial revolution is night and day. The pure amount of shit that one could produce even early on in the IndRev compared to how much was produced in workshops is fucking staggering.


i agree with you, but would it be possible without having someone becoming a simple cog in the machine and doing something that dosnt require any sort of skill.

beccause the problem isnt technology,but the way its used right now against the working class.

if we want to change the current system, we need to rethink the way production and technology work for us.

[Blake's Baby]

Not sure what you think the problem is.

If you're saying that there will be some necessary tasks that require no brain power... maybe. If it's decided that those taks are still necessary after the revolution, then the obvious answer is we all do a little. If minding a machine takes no thinking about, sure, I'll do that for an hour a week. Find another 39 people who will and bingo, one mind-numbing 'job' is eliminated from capitalism meaning that worker is free to do other more rewarding things, the work still gets done so we all benefit, and I get an hour to daydream a bit and assimilate all the other more rewarding things I'm doing the rest of the time (or just feel smug about how cool and helpful and self-sacrificing I am).