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El Oso Rojo
24th June 2011, 23:27
White Nation Privilege and the Ability to be Arrested

October 23, 2010


by Enaemaehkiw Túpac Keshena

This will be short, but it is something that has been bothering me for a while now, and I have to get off of my chest.
I’ve been having conversations lately with several other Kitchener-Waterloo radicals and leftists over the last couple of weeks about privilege – specifically White nation privilege* – within the KW activist scene and how it informs, or rather fails to inform, the thought and practice of a number of more well known local characters.

In our scene, which is mostly defined by the university town nature of the city, many of these more well known local activists come from backgrounds that are marked by great material privilege. By this I mean they are mostly middle to upper class, white, men. There of course women and “people of colour”** but they do not share the limelight to anywhere near the same extent as the White leadership.

I also want to make it clear that I am not aiming this at all people who got arrested at the G8/G20, as many, perhaps even most, are people who struggle every day through oppression: indigenous people, people of colour and (im)migrants. I applaud those people and the bravery that it took for them to risk what they did and stand up against imperialism, settler colonialism and capitalism. This article/rant takes aim rather at a particular layer within the KW radical activist scene that took part in the G8/G20 events.

While material conditions root most privileged people’s political consciousness, these people can break from what is in their material interest in class suicide. Hence. the fact that people come to radical politics from positions of material privilege does not have to be a problem – so long as it is handled correctly.

I myself would be lying to you if I told you that my own upbringing was an entirely ghettoized one. Sure I am a Native person, with all the shit that comes with that and living in settler colonial White Canada, but my family was always able to scrape together enough funds to make sure that we had some nice things and so that my brother and I could attend a private high school and then university and college (even if it put them in ridiculous dept).

That immediately puts me on a much better footing than most Native people, considering for example that a Native women is three times more likely to go to prison than to graduate from university or college. All I can ever say is that my perspective is informed by the time I spent on my reservation, where I saw my relatives live desperately poor, racially and nationally marginalized existences, and that I was raised by a strong Native woman from a working class background who didn’t take shit from anyone.


I self-reflect and self-criticize about my the privilege I have relative to so many other indigenous people, including within my own extended family. Where problems arise in the KW activist scene is when certain people with material privileges – far greater than I because because they are White and petty bourgeois and bourgeois – do not engage in this practice, or, even worse, when they actively try to deny the privilege they have.


This is always best shown for me in a story I have been told by a couple radical comrades of an encounter between one my friends (himself White, but who is a sincere solidarity activist) and another local activist (of the highly privileged variety). The setting was a “know your rights” type of event.

The encounter took place when my friend approached one of the people putting on the event and queried why they did not have any apparent input from actually oppressed groups, meaning the people who really do have to deal with police violence and oppression on a regular basis. My comrade then pointed out the activist’s White nation privilege and how it was implicitly racist and colonizing to exclude colonially oppressed people from the event.

The response from the highly privileged activist was that he knew what it was like to be oppressed. Why you may ask? Because he is an anarchist (I am not fucking kidding).


This for me is exemplar of the fundamentally twisted perspectives of these White activists. Rather than say, “you know what? I didn’t even notice that,” and then proceed to engage in self-criticism and self-reflection over why this was the case, and how it can be righted, the person attempted to actively deny the privilege they are accorded by mainstream society.

They created a fantasy world where they exist as an oppressed person in order to counter the inevitability that someone would notice and point out that they are privileged in our society and that it clearly effects their views and actions.

Where this has come up more recently has been around the question of some activists in town being arrested in relation to supposed G8/G20 actions and their now being treated by much of the activist media as political prisoners. This of course could just as easily become a discussion on organizational practice and the immediate reason as to WHY these people were arrested, but that is something for another time, and so I will keep this within the context of our discussion about privilege.
Essentially what it comes down to in the end is this: those people who were arrested and are now being called political prisoners by-in-large could afford to be arrested, and may have even intentionally triggered their arrests in order to snatch the limelight (away from actual PP/POWs in the wake of the G8/G20. As one person close to me put it regarding one particular arrestee who has been getting the most press, he is a “poor little rich white boy who can afford to get arrested because his father makes the big bucks to bail him out.”

Again, I am not talking about all of the arrestees, or all KW activists, just some in particular whose plight has become a cause célèbre in town.


This is why their arrests and the actions that lead up to them, including the second arrest of the one with the most news coverage, must be examined through a rubric of White nation privilege. I for example cannot afford to be arrested.

Due to my status as an immigrant, and also because of the socio-economic situation of my family, I simply cannot afford to get arrested, in either the economic sense, or in a legal sense. As a Native person I am also likely to suffer quite a bit in other ways once under the control of the White power pig force. If I pulled the kind of BS that the White activists do I’d have the lights beaten right out of me by the White pig. The same goes for many of my comrades in town.

Many of them are from extremely depressed national and economic backgrounds, barely able to make ends meet. They cannot afford to go to prison. They will lose their savings, custody over their children, would be likely to suffer violence from the White pigs, and will permanently be branded, making it often times impossible to find employment in the future, among many, many other things.

For those local celebrity arrestees however this is definetely not the case. Because of their White nation privilege and higher than usual socio-economic background, they can afford to engage in the kinds reckless and machoistic actions that they did. The rest of us, those of us who actually suffer from oppression, cannot. It is that simple.

*NB: I use the term White nation privilege instead of the more usual formations of White skin privilege and simply White privilege because I hope to make it clear that I am not talking ideology and race, but rather national oppression which gives a serious material basis for the privilege. See my note right below this one on the PoC term as well.

**NB: I do not actually care for the phrase people of colour, because it defines our existance by focusing on what we are not, which is White. It’s also part of the trend, which I reject, that boils the White-non-White contradiction down to worldviews of ideological race privilege. I see it instead as contradictions between oppressor and oppressed nations, which gives a material basis to White privilege.


Opinons?

Os Cangaceiros
25th June 2011, 00:53
Do you think that you could break that wall of text up by using the enter key?

Not to sound like an asshole or anything, but it makes it a lot easier to read.

edit: thanks

A Revolutionary Tool
25th June 2011, 08:37
Being white really does help, I know from experience. I'm not even rich, when this happened I was pretty poor actually. But I got caught on school grounds beating the shit out of another student and it was all gang-related. I was going to be charged with assault and battery and would have gotten gang enhancements because it was gang related but that never happened and I never got put into cell for it. It's because I put on this facade like I was just some poor white kid who accidentally got mixed up with these Hispanic gangs and I "talked" when in reality I gave them a bogus ass story about how I was the only one responsible for my actions when they know better. You don't do what I did without some direction or other gang members knowing, but I got off the hook because I played the part of that good white kid who just got into the wrong crowd. I went to the judge and did the same thing, I even told him that I have never done any drugs or drunken any alcohol (:lol:) and he believed me!

I only got expelled and had to do some anger management classes/gang intervention classes and community service(and that's because it's mandatory for gang-related incidents, I probably could have gotten away with not doing it if it wasn't mandatory). But I know for a fact that some kids at the school I went to where you go once you get expelled did shit that was not nearly as bad as what I did and they went to juvie for it and probably because they were black and Latino. That's justice in America and I guess Canada too.

genstrike
26th June 2011, 07:53
Question: why post repost an 8 month old article without any comment, and without linking back to the original on Bermuda Radical?

abbielives!
26th June 2011, 09:12
their White nation privilege and higher than usual socio-economic background, they can afford to engage in the kinds reckless and machoistic actions that they did. The rest of us, those of us who actually suffer from oppression, cannot. It is that simple.



this is complete horseshit, to put it mildly. you are a coward. stop trying to justify your cowardice by guilt tripping the rest of us. there is a long tradition of people of color going to prison for what they believe in. your are a disgrace to your ancestors and your race. being arrested is never comfortable or convenient for anyone and you should be ashamed of yourself for insulting people who have more bravery in their little finger than you have in your entire body. i hope one day you learn to stop using your race as a crutch.

http://occupyca.wordpress.com/2010/03/03/response-to-a-critic-of-the-%E2%80%9Cwhite%E2%80%9D-student-movement/

El Oso Rojo
27th June 2011, 01:49
Question: why post repost an 8 month old article without any comment, and without linking back to the original on Bermuda Radical?

New member can't post links unless they have 25 posts.

El Oso Rojo
27th June 2011, 01:51
this is complete horseshit, to put it mildly. you are a coward. stop trying to justify your cowardice by guilt tripping the rest of us. there is a long tradition of people of color going to prison for what they believe in. your are a disgrace to your ancestors and your race. being arrested is never comfortable or convenient for anyone and you should be ashamed of yourself for insulting people who have more bravery in their little finger than you have in your entire body. i hope one day you learn to stop using your race as a crutch.

http://occupyca.wordpress.com/2010/03/03/response-to-a-critic-of-the-%E2%80%9Cwhite%E2%80%9D-student-movement/

I did not write this article and I just asking people opinion, No need for name calling and it just in a particular part of Canada. I guess dude :bored:

Martin Blank
27th June 2011, 03:37
this is complete horseshit, to put it mildly. you are a coward. stop trying to justify your cowardice by guilt tripping the rest of us. there is a long tradition of people of color going to prison for what they believe in. your are a disgrace to your ancestors and your race. being arrested is never comfortable or convenient for anyone and you should be ashamed of yourself for insulting people who have more bravery in their little finger than you have in your entire body. i hope one day you learn to stop using your race as a crutch.

http://occupyca.wordpress.com/2010/03/03/response-to-a-critic-of-the-%E2%80%9Cwhite%E2%80%9D-student-movement/

Speaking of horseshit. Yes, people of color have gone to prison for their principles and beliefs, but unlike privileged white kids, these people of color end up paying for it for the rest of their lives. For the "middle class" white radicals, jail time is "inconvenience"; for people of color, it's usually a living hell. The slumming suburban "radicals" get a slap on the wrist and "street cred"; the African American civil rights worker gets a felony conviction and his or her right to vote taken from them (or worse). The Weathermen become celebrated professors and politicians; the Black Panthers become dead or in line to become dead (death row). It's not cowardice he's writing about, it's reality.

Moreover, fuck you and your racist condescending attitude. You are in no position to judge if anyone is a "disgrace" in the way you put it, or to tell someone they're using their race as a "crutch", when you are using your class as a shield.

Revolutionair
27th June 2011, 04:05
White activities, White privileges, White bourgeoisie, indigenous oppressed people, indigenous protesters at the G20, White nation, coloured oppressed peoples, upper class white men, White (liberal, of course) activists, coloured (real) activists.

Is this a good summary of the first part?

Decommissioner
27th June 2011, 04:57
It puzzles me why a lot of white leftists (on this board especially) can't seem to own up to their privilege. I thouroughly enjoyed the article, it has many truths in it.

Jose Gracchus
27th June 2011, 05:08
I'm multi-racial, and depending on what I was wearing I've been arrested and listed as "Hispanic male" and another time as "white male". Let's just say that that my experience the former time was...a little different. And fuck, I'm not even from Arizona.

abbielives!
28th June 2011, 00:08
For the "middle class" white radicals, jail time is "inconvenience"; for people of color, it's usually a living hell.

i bet you have never been arrested. no one who has ever been to jail would dismiss it as mere "inconvenience".

El Oso Rojo
28th June 2011, 00:16
i bet you have never been arrested. no one who has ever been to jail would dismiss it as mere "inconvenience".

Because they are not stupid, and i would do silly unconstructive stuff, because we do not have the money for bail outs.

PhoenixAsh
28th June 2011, 00:21
this is complete horseshit, to put it mildly. you are a coward. stop trying to justify your cowardice by guilt tripping the rest of us. there is a long tradition of people of color going to prison for what they believe in. your are a disgrace to your ancestors and your race. being arrested is never comfortable or convenient for anyone and you should be ashamed of yourself for insulting people who have more bravery in their little finger than you have in your entire body. i hope one day you learn to stop using your race as a crutch.


A disgrace to your race? whatthefuck....did I log into the wrong website? Was there a hostile take over? A sudden redirect? Should I start practicing my goose step?

This kind of rethorics does not belong on revleft and most definately not in this context.

PhoenixAsh
28th June 2011, 00:58
This thread will inevitably devolve into a comparing of dick sizes...whose suffering is the biggest.

I do and will not disagree entirely with the article....though there is a point to adress here.

I will come right out and say...compared to a lot of people I have been relatively privileged and in the same time there is a whole group of people who are more privileged than I. I myself have worked hard to find a good position in life. I am not ashamed of that and I am fucking proud of what I managed to accomplish in the past....I could have accomplished a lot more but at the same time I could have done so much worse...eventhough at the moment I have lost most of what I gained.

I got there in part because my parents, and before them their parents, made sacrifices. They had to work hard and they had to excell because their political allegiance and activism didn't get them branded as criminals; it got them branded as traitors. And they both had to overcome a whole lot of direct oppression and political discrimination....and yet...compared to a lot of people they did manage to become slightly better off. They don't have a lot of money but they don't have to starve either.

In the 60's their party was overrun by hipster communists...when communism and marxism became a hype with the intellectual groups; with the students....who with their skillfull rethorics and scholastic knowledge took over the party leadership at the expense of the working class and started intelectualising the party. And that is when all went to shit for the party. I am not blaming the students entirely...but I am saying that when privileged kids take over then somethings will change...and not always to the better. Workers and the party become a carreer path to travel and most of these so called communists sold out big time. I am not questioning the geniuinity of their ideology but their way of doing things disassociated the party from the working class. And its a shame to see that most of these former communists and marxists now run big corporations or are part of the establishments with nice carreers and suburban dream lives.

I do not begrudge them their succes...I hope everybody gets to live such a live. But I do begrudge them to reach it over the backs of the workers struggle....and present day parties and groups need to be aware of this.

But there will always be more privileged people than each and anyone of us. It is not a question about privilege its a question about being honest. And if you don't self criticise...or if you fail to become aware of the fact that there will always be people worse of and better off then it becomes a dishonest ideological position you are taking.

Nobody has to apologise for the things we can not influence. If your parents are well off...good for you. Enjoy it...but realise that that means you are in a position of privilege.

That is as far as I will go with agreeing with the article. Because I do not subscribe to the rest of the article which, IMO, basically comes down to somewhat of a jealousy issue.

Yes, non-white activists probably are racially stereotyped, they probably will get arrested more often and punished harder....and their lives have probably known more discrimination and oppression than others.

But what is the author saying? That white activists who are born from parents with cash should not be activists? Do not deserve the recognition for their actions? Is he begrudging activism which is in part directed at changing the system? Because the articles major point is criticising the activists rather than the system for their privilege.

Maybe its just the way the author constructed the article...but that is what I can not agree with. Yes what you say is to some extend all true. And it is lamentable that the annecdotal example occured. But at some point that is not the issue any more...and the issue becomes asking how we can change the system rather than expecting everybody to constantly question and criticise themselves. Its seems to me that is equally unrelaistic than not criticising yourself.

THats my 2 cents...feel free to entirely disagree

Sun at Eight
28th June 2011, 01:01
Jeez, abbielives, can't you even begin to imagine the differences in treatment and repercussions that people's material circumstances and legal status, along with being targets of white supremacy can bring? Also, in Canada (where this was written) and in the US, along with other settler-colonial countries, there is a specific colonial attitude that the Canadian state has to native people and "keeping them in line". I mean, in Seattle a policeman recently killed (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012784234_copshooting02m.html) an old partially deaf First Nations man with a history of homelessness and alcoholism for hobbling around town in broad daylight with his 3-inch woodcarving knife and a piece of wood - that is to say, nothing.

Martin Blank
28th June 2011, 08:57
i bet you have never been arrested. no one who has ever been to jail would dismiss it as mere "inconvenience".

Wrong answer, sport. I can't ever set foot in Minneapolis any more because of open charges related to my arrest. And, for the record, you were the one who described jail time as "inconvenience", as in:


being arrested is never comfortable or convenient for anyone...Oh, and, once again, fuck your racism.

El Oso Rojo
28th June 2011, 14:17
And this why a lot of people of color kinda distrust communists and leftists, because of self-righteous people like abbie lives.

Jimmie Higgins
28th June 2011, 14:41
And this why a lot of people of color kinda distrust communists and leftists, because of self-righteous people like abbie lives.Or because we live in a generally segregated society and are treated differently and fed a lot of racial propaganda.

During the very multi-racial movement against the cop that killed Oscar Grant the local media portrayed black activists as "thugs" who just want to vandalize and portrayed white activists as "rich riot touring anarchists" from outside of Oakland... during that misinformation, they forgot to mention that most Oakland cops are white and live outside Oakland and make more money than most people in Oakland.

Historical betrayals like that of the CP back in the day, racism in the labor unions, etc are obviously big problems, but I think partially that's due to ruling class propaganda too. I mean the Democrats betray us all every day but most workers still think that they are our "allies".

At any rate, I disagree that activists from oppressed groups face the same risks as an average white guy would - I've seen it first hand, cops don't like activists, they REALLY don't like outspoken immigrant activists or black activists. But still, let's all take it down a notch and make our cases with a little less finger-pointing.

A Revolutionary Tool
28th June 2011, 18:57
i bet you have never been arrested. no one who has ever been to jail would dismiss it as mere "inconvenience".
Ahem
http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2154196&postcount=3

Old Mole
28th June 2011, 22:08
For those local celebrity arrestees however this is definetely not the case. Because of their White nation privilege and higher than usual socio-economic background, they can afford to engage in the kinds reckless and machoistic actions that they did. The rest of us, those of us who actually suffer from oppression, cannot. It is that simple.

Opinons?
This is a justification for excluding nonwhites from revolutionary movements. Of course it was made to justify the uselessness of the writer, but when race in this way you find yourself in weird situations. I would seriously ask you reconsider, you know shared colour doesnt mean other shared traits, bravery isnt related to race. In my home country racism is to a large extent targeted at people from the Middle East, and, Ive met alot of extremely daring activists with a Middle East background. And the police REALLY hates them, you know Islam will take over our country and all that. If what youre writing is true then surely all revolutions in history has been made by sons and daughters of the ruling classes of their epochs, in some act of reckless hipsterism or something. Reality check: they arent, the only ones capable of fighting oppression are the oppressed themselves. Taking risks is something I would demand everyone in any revolutionary organization are capable of.

BTW: Who said non-white activists arent often treated worse than white ones?