The Fall of Castro's government is near!

[Babylon5 Crusade]

Bush Seeks Ideas for Cuban Regime Change
By GEORGE GEDDA, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Eager to please a key Florida constituency, President Bush directed his secretary of state and his Cuban-born housing secretary Friday to recommend ways to achieve a transition to democracy in Cuba after 44 years under Fidel Castro.

Secretary of State Colin Powell and Housing Secretary Mel Martinez will chair a panel that will "plan for the happy day when Castro's regime is no more and democracy comes to the island," Bush said during a Rose Garden ceremony.

"The transition to freedom will present many challenges to the Cuban people and to America, and we will be prepared," the president said.

Bush also said the United States would step up enforcement of existing restrictions against the communist regime, such as a ban on tourism by Americans, and crack down on the trafficking of women and children in Cuba. The United States also will launch a public outreach campaign to identify "the many routes to safe and legal entry" for Cubans who try to flee their homeland, he said.

"We'll increase the number of new Cuban immigrants we welcome every year," Bush added. "We are free to do so, and we will for the good of those who seek freedom."

Scores of Bush supporters from Congress, the Miami community of Cuban exiles and other anti-Castro groups were briefed in advance of the official announcement.

The administration has been signaling for weeks that new steps concerning Cuba were being planned.

Some of Castro's most ardent opponents have criticized the Bush administration for not doing more to bring about democratic change in Cuba.

Florida, a vote-rich swing state, is one of the states Bush has visited most since becoming president. The votes of Miami's Cuban-American community could be crucial in the 2004 presidential election.

Bush's relations with his backers in Miami hit a low point in July when Washington returned 15 migrants to Cuba after receiving assurances they would not be executed for hijacking a government-owned boat that was intercepted at sea by the Coast Guard.

The president's brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, took issue with the decision, saying it wasn't right to send the Cubans back to Castro's regime.

Powell has been trying to enlist other nations in efforts to bring democracy to a country that has not had a free election since Castro assumed power in 1959.

In a June speech in Chile to Organization of American States foreign ministers, Powell asked his colleagues to join the United States in promoting a peaceful transition to democracy in Cuba.

Castro has scoffed at the notion that Cuba needs a transition, contending that the island had one 44 years ago.

The head of Cuba's diplomatic mission here, Dagoberto Rodriguez, said Thursday that Bush should "stop acting like a lawless cowboy" and "start listening to the voices of the nations of the world."

Speaking at a news conference, Rodriguez noted that each fall, for 12 years, the U.N. General Assembly has urged the United States to lift its trade embargo against Cuba. He said the General Assembly is expected to approve a similar measure next month.

Bush has said he will veto any measure approved by the Congress that calls for an easing of the embargo, which has been in effect for more than four decades.

Rodriguez also demanded that the administration "stop lying" about Cuba "just to please a small minority of extremists," a reference to the Cuban-American community in South Florida.

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid...uba_6&printer=1 (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=544&u=/ap/20031010/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_cuba_6&printer=1)

VIVA! BUSH!

[Unrelenting Steve]

I am trying to gather an international task force to go into America, take out Geroge Bush, so that finaly the country could get an actual elected president. Maybe France would be interested, any know who else might be? My country would just be neutral to the action tho :(.

[Sabocat]

Hey goofball....hate to break this to you but Cuba has a democracy. They have elections. 95% of the population votes.

Maybe they don't want "Amerikan" Freedom....ever thought of that?


If you read between the lines, that is, apart from the pathetic pandering to the filthy Miami exiles, what GW really wants to bring to Cuba is privitized sugar plantations and industry, casinos, crime, wage slavery, lack of health care and general degradation to the education system.

Wow...what could Cuba be thinking? Look at all their missing! :lol: :lol:

[Le Libérer]

Originally posted by Babylon5 [email protected] 10 2003, 05:38 PM
Bush Seeks Ideas for Cuban Regime Change
By GEORGE GEDDA, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Eager to please a key Florida constituency, President Bush directed his secretary of state and his Cuban-born housing secretary Friday to recommend ways to achieve a transition to democracy in Cuba after 44 years under Fidel Castro.


The head of Cuba's diplomatic mission here, Dagoberto Rodriguez, said Thursday that Bush should "stop acting like a lawless cowboy" and "start listening to the voices of the nations of the world."


Rodriguez also demanded that the administration "stop lying" about Cuba "just to please a small minority of extremists," a reference to the Cuban-American community in South Florida.

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid...uba_6&printer=1 (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=544&u=/ap/20031010/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_cuba_6&printer=1)

VIVA! BUSH!
I like what Rodriguez calls Bush, a lawless cowboy! lol

I'm going to use that phrase everytime I refer to (eat my) Bush from now on.
[I]

[synthesis]

Democracy can't be reborn in Cuba. It exists now, it did not exist before Castro took power. Maybe you should actually do your homework before creating threads with titles as inane as this one.

[Deniz Gezmis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 06:18 PM
If you read between the lines, that is, apart from the pathetic pandering to the filthy Miami exiles, what GW really wants to bring to Cuba is privitized sugar plantations and industry, casinos, crime, wage slavery, lack of health care and general degradation to the education system.

Sounds like the the yankee backed Batista regime.


Powell has been trying to enlist other nations in efforts to bring democracy to a country that has not had a free election since Castro assumed power in 1959.

Incorrect.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/46399.stm
http://www.newhumanist.com/geiser.html


Bush has said he will veto any measure approved by the Congress that calls for an easing of the embargo, which has been in effect for more than four decades.
http://www.granma.cu/documento/ingles03/022.html
The Embargo is a war against the Cuban population. It worked in Allende's Chile, Not in Cuba. Fortunatly.

If you wan't some more evidence, Tell me so.

[Babylon5 Crusade]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 06:18 PM
Hey goofball....hate to break this to you but Cuba has a democracy. They have elections. 95% of the population votes.

Cuban Elections and Saddam elections are the same.

Presidental Election.
You have two options to vote for:

1. President Saddam Hussian (Ba'ath)
2. Please kill me and torture my family.

[Pete]

Wrong. In Cuba, the main difference is that political parties cannont nominate candidates, but community groups, workers circles, and individuals can. That keeps the power decentralized. And since Castro has risen Cuba to its current stature from being America's ***** it is obvious that the people love him.

I doubt you've ever met a Cuban. If you have, well are they Maimiese?

[Sabocat]

2. Please kill me and torture my family.

Before you go shooting your mouth off with stupid crap like this, provide proof from anywhere that that is the situation with elections in Cuba.

And don't give me shit from Voice of America, Fox or the like.

[Xprewatik RED]

Cuba contains no Democracy just like the USSR never did. Sure, at points in time we the people of the USSR had, "elections?", but there was only one candinate, just like in Cuba. And Social Disobedience is a crime only payable in blood. These are not places, of true Communism, dont fool yourselfs sitting in your nice confy Western homes, that we had it any better than your poor.

[El Brujo]

Originally posted by Babylon5 [email protected] 11 2003, 03:16 AM
2. Please kill me and torture my family.
That was the case during the Batista era (which the US SUPPORTED) but most-definitely not today (the Cuban-yanks in Miami whinning about Castro's "tyranny" certainly didn't have a problem with Batista). Please show me proof of any elections in Cuba where people were "intimidated." The last thing in a form of "repression" that took place were the terrorists who captured Cuban boats.

[-JakeH-]

Originally posted by Babylon5 [email protected] 10 2003, 11:38 AM

VIVA! BUSH!
Viva Bush! Keep those poor hungry people destitute and starving! Hurray for justice! Just because you hate the man in charge you can justify horrifically oppressing the public with sanctions! Go freedom!

Wow babylon, you sure are quite the free thinker. Tool.

Edit: Your prized government is afraid to face the fact that if it didn't supress Cuba with sanctions it would prove that Communism can provide for THE PEOPLE. If they were concerned about the PEOPLE, they wouldn't have sanctions, if they were concerned with justice, they would lift sanctions. But all they are concerned with is the fact that they cant buy up nationalized Cuban industries. Cram that up your ass.

[Regicidal Insomniac]

Ha. Before you critisize Cuban democracy look at your bloody "democracy". America, the self-proclaimed greatest democracy on earth, where it's leader stole office through deceipt and scandel and then waged an unpopular war. Demoracy is supposedly labeled by "majority rule", yet 60% of the voting population in America choosing to null their vote come election time. So what you immediately have is a minority rule, and a very small minority at that.

Now let's look at a couple of the other "great democracies" of the world. Britain, for example, sent their army to war despite the desperate plees of nearly 2 million of it's citezens. Or better yet let's look at Spain, a country that unflinchingly supported a war which 91% of the population opposed. Is that democracy? Hell no, that's demockery.

The western demoratic principle seems to be that once elections are over your opinion is completely nulled. So is 5 seconds in the voting booth worth a lifetime of being ignored? In my opinion, fuck no, thank you kindly. I'd rather have an unelected leader (which by the way Castro is not) that listens to me than an elected one with absolutely no concern of my opinion.

Now take a look at Cuba. Every 2 years Cubans partake in local elections, and every 4 years they cast their vote to elect a nation assembly, which yeilds more power than the president. These elections have a voter turnout of 98% (as opposed to America's 40%); so it's obvious which society maintanes a more vibrant tradition of democracy.

American democracy is a joke. There can be no political democracy until there is economic democracy. Cuban democracy may not be perfect, but I do believe it's better than that of the United States.

Yup, democracy reborn... Just like the good ol' Batista days, huh? The air was sweet with prostitution and gambling, the land was rich with gangsters and corruption, and there was always a fresh body hanging from a lamp post outside in the morning to greeet you.. Oh, memories.

[CubanFox]

Unlike in Batista's or Pinochet's (both supported by America) time, there are no death squads that comb the streets of Cuba looking for dissidents.

[Soul Rebel]

while we are the topic of cuba- i am going back to cuba in january. Would anybody be interested in being a travel buddy with me? I know this isnt the right thread to say it in, but we were on the topic of cuba, so....

[Regicidal Insomniac]

This unacceptable embargo must cease immediately. (http://www.alternatives.ca/print876.html)

[Sensitive]

The Fall of Castro's government is near!
LOL, Washington has been saying that for over 40 years.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Democracy shall be reborn again in Cuba!

Democracy didnt exist before Castro, and with him there is a semi-democracy. Oh, and FIDEL WASNT PUT THERE BY THE YANKEE BASTARDS as Pinochet and Batista, to name a few. I don't think anybody voted those last 2 in a democratic election.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by Babylon5 [email protected] 10 2003, 05:38 PM
WASHINGTON - Eager to please a key Florida constituency, President Bush directed his secretary of state and his Cuban-born housing secretary Friday to recommend ways to achieve a transition to democracy in Cuba after 44 years under Fidel Castro.

Democracy? BUSH IS A DICTATOR, he NEVER won. Plus, who is him to "recommend" another country? I recommend yankees to go and kill Bush and his whole party. That's the same.


Secretary of State Colin Powell and Housing Secretary Mel Martinez will chair a panel that will "plan for the happy day when Castro's regime is no more and democracy comes to the island," Bush said during a Rose Garden ceremony.

Happy for them, who will get all the resources...


"The transition to freedom will present many challenges to the Cuban people and to America, and we will be prepared," the president said.

To America?? Oh yeah, as I said, they will take all the resources.


Bush also said the United States would step up enforcement of existing restrictions against the communist regime, such as a ban on tourism by Americans, and crack down on the trafficking of women and children in Cuba. The United States also will launch a public outreach campaign to identify "the many routes to safe and legal entry" for Cubans who try to flee their homeland, he said.

Why are they imposing things to their own people? Wasnt the U$ the land of "liberty and democracy"??? Hummm...


"We'll increase the number of new Cuban immigrants we welcome every year," Bush added. "We are free to do so, and we will for the good of those who seek freedom."

That's stupid.


The administration has been signaling for weeks that new steps concerning Cuba were being planned.

They are preparing a war, isnt it?


Florida, a vote-rich swing state, is one of the states Bush has visited most since becoming president. The votes of Miami's Cuban-American community could be crucial in the 2004 presidential election.

Yeah, the place were he stole the elections.


Bush's relations with his backers in Miami hit a low point in July when Washington returned 15 migrants to Cuba after receiving assurances they would not be executed for hijacking a government-owned boat that was intercepted at sea by the Coast Guard.

Contradictions. On this news article, a few lines before, it said: "We'll increase the number of new Cuban immigrants we welcome every year", but they sent them back. Weird...


In a June speech in Chile to Organization of American States foreign ministers, Powell asked his colleagues to join the United States in promoting a peaceful transition to democracy in Cuba.

Peaceful? What does he know about peace?

I posted this "analysis" of this new because i found some details quite interesting...

[Lardlad95]

Babylon 5....just come out and say what you really mean. You want Cuba to be America's ***** once again like it was under Batista...just admit it

[Comrade Ceausescu]

what the fuck do they mean "DEMOCRACY RE BORN IN CUBA"?so batista was a democracy???fuck that.fuck you babylon,and fuck that murderer you have in your avatar.

[redstar2000]

:lol: Every year they pop the champagne in Washington and Miami...and every year the champagne goes flat. :lol:

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas

[lifetrnal]

You are insane, for a number of reasons. Firstly, I hate to tell you this, but the people in Cuba are really dedicated to what they still call, "our revolution." I know.... what about all of the people on the rafts? Right? Well, a lot have relatives in Cuba, a lot suffer because of American sanctions, and believe it our not a lot who come over on rafts (not the ones who have been here since the revolution) are still dedicated to the idea of socialism in Cuba. Now, the second thing that makes you completely insane, EVEN as a Capitalist how could you possibly want Bush to be re-elected?

[Invader Zim]

Yes lets all look at that baston of democracy that was batista's US supported fascist dictatorship.

LONG LIVE USA

[Hawker]

You no Idea how many attrocities(spelling?) the US has done to the Cuban people.Starving them to death,covert terrorist operations on their leaders,etc.,are a few examples of US crimes.The US continues to do them today even though the UN has condemned these embargos on Cuba and even breaking international laws just to make Cuba it's ***** again.The US attrocities(spelling?) to Cuba,is like a 300 pound man harassing a 10 year old child.

[*~Silver-Back~*]

notice how the guy hasn't responded back? hehehe you scared him away...BRAVO!!!! :lol:

[Exploited Class]

Its okay no need to worry, if Bush could find Cuba on a map he might be successful.

But there is so much he can't find of late that I doubt that Cuba is in any worry.
What Bush can't find, Osama, Huissen, WMD, The Leak, A Connection to Osama and Huissen..... Now he expects everybody to believe he can find a way to bring down Fidel, hehehe.

Maybe he can find a way to balance a budget or find more jobs for people.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Fuckin' idiotism! Fuck bush! :angry:

I 100% agree with cheguevara717!!!

But who is it in babylon's avatar!? :huh:

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 13 2003, 02:44 AM
But who is it in babylon's avatar!? :huh:
Ronald Reagan, US President from 1980 to 1988.

[Kapitan Andrey]

R-R-R-R!!! :angry:

Bastard!!! :angry:

[Fidelbrand]

Fuck Bush until his last drop of shit drops of his Texas ass!

Well, imperialism is imperialism! Why the fuck that Cuba's problems (if there is any) of concern to the Yanks? What kind of fucking logic is that for U.S. to worry and to intervene and to be the judiciary of the justice of others' countries?

U.S. loves the word " Democracy" or "liberty" , Cuba has the liberty for life, education, medicine and other humanitarian social welfare ~~ people don't care about these 2 terms when they are enjoying their lives as humans........ only those who are appropriators in capitalism flowers up the 2 words when those who are exploited under capitalism are feeling alienated every fuckin' single day to feel fucking relieved when they are brain-wahed that they have the voluntary choice to choose a job , but, to be exploited! !! :P Call it benevolent dictator or what ever shit u wish to say~ Fidel is the man, and the Cubans need him and his system badly and wholeheartedly!

If U.S. is the unipolar in the world of politics, and it just likes to put its dick on every other **** as its sees wet and juicy , then that is RAPE!

Patria o Muerte! !! Cubanos!! don't be fucked! Show the world that u guyz need no other authorites to judge/change/ your way of living~~~~~!!!!!!

[Le Libérer]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 11:17 PM
while we are the topic of cuba- i am going back to cuba in january. Would anybody be interested in being a travel buddy with me? I know this isnt the right thread to say it in, but we were on the topic of cuba, so....
I would love to go with you! But do you travel out of US? Or is it easier to go to another country first? PM me and let me know the procedure.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Fidelbrand: love the pictures.

SenoraChe: Would love to but cant afford it.

[atlanticche]

i only just realised what a sell out Fidel Castro is, he's become Batista

[Bradyman]

Democracy? Hey, the majority of people living in Cuba support Castro and support socialism. The people love Castro unlike Baptista.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by Debora Aro+Oct 23 2003, 02:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Debora Aro @ Oct 23 2003, 02:45 AM)
[email protected] 10 2003, 11:17 PM
while we are the topic of cuba- i am going back to cuba in january. Would anybody be interested in being a travel buddy with me? I know this isnt the right thread to say it in, but we were on the topic of cuba, so....
I would love to go with you&#33; But do you travel out of US? Or is it easier to go to another country first? PM me and let me know the procedure. [/b]
Heh, I&#39;d love to myself, and I live in Florida (by Tampa though), but I don&#39;t have any money to go myself.

[Comrade Hector]

Bush&#39;s idea for a regime change in Cuba is only for Comrade Castro to be toppled so US and other Capitalist corporations can profit from the labor of the Cuban people, just as they profit from the working people in the whole of Latin America, and many other countries around the world. I really wonder if cappy morons like this Babylon 5 Crusade clown are that stupid to really believe that a US domination will benefit the Cuban workers. I can&#39;t understand how anyone can be that stupid. Babylon 5 Crusade, please answer me one question: What do you think of such "freedom fighters"?:

1. Osama Bin Laden - Afghan Mujahideen commander

2. Saddam Hussein - funded with US money and biological weapons for the war with Iran?

3. General Manuel Noriega - supported by the USA for his methods of arming Contras of Nicaragua, and the Death Squads of El Salvador, and of course serving US interests in the Canal Zone.

What do these three have in common you may ask yourself. The answer is they are all "bad guys" now, but were once "good guys" who were funded and trained by the CIA. Need I go on?

[elijahcraig]

Cuba contains no Democracy just like the USSR never did. Sure, at points in time we the people of the USSR had, "elections?", but there was only one candinate, just like in Cuba.

That is false. Do you even know what you are talking about? Looked at any of the many numerous links people have provided here?

Why in the FUCK do you have a hammer and sickle in your avatar?


And Social Disobedience is a crime only payable in blood.

No, BLOWING UP HOTELS is a crime only payable in blood. Casan can rot in hell.


These are not places, of true Communism, dont fool yourselfs sitting in your nice confy Western homes, that we had it any better than your poor.

Thanks for that Jimbo, Cuba is SOCIALIST.

[Pete]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2003, 07:59 PM
Democracy? Hey, the majority of people living in Cuba support Castro and support socialism. The people love Castro unlike Baptista.
Batista was held in good faith by his people until the last 6 years of his regime, it just went downhill from there.

From what I know of Cuba, I doubt that they will actually need someone like Castro after his death. I have heard Cubans speak, I have read their works. They are a brilliant (intelligence: all forms of it) people who are dedicated to their fight. America will have trouble installing something. You cannot come in with guns and expect a militarized and politicalized society to crumble.

[Lardlad95]

GOOD NEWS EVERYONE: SENATE AND HOUSE JUST VOTED TO EASE AMERICAN TRAVEL TO CUBA&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; AND TO EASE THE EMBARGO

BAD NEWS EVERYONE: BUSH WILL PROBABLY VETO THE DAMN BILL

[Hawker]

I hope that Bush somehow gets assassinated.That&#39;s only hope for Cuba.By the time of the presidential elections Bush would have already veto the bill.

[Y2A]

While I do not agree with Communism and Castro&#39;s reguime, to say that "Democracy will return to Cuba" is a blatent lie. First off Batista&#39;s government was not a true democracy it was a military dictatorship. He raped the cuban constitution by ending the workers right to strike and gave U.S interests almost complete control over Havana so he and the minority rich could get richer. He also had ties to organized crime in Florida. He staged two coups and even held a mock election where he was the the only legal canidate.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Well said Comrade Hector&#33;&#33;&#33; :)

[Faceless]

I hope that Bush somehow gets assassinated.That&#39;s only hope for Cuba. Castro has outlasted more American and Soviet leaders than you can shake a stick at. Think he has to worry about Bush? I don&#39;t. The exiles thought that he&#39;d be out in twenty minutes once the Americans discovered he was Marxist. He wasn&#39;t. They thought that he&#39;d be out after the fall of the Soviet Union but he&#39;s here ten years later. Bush isn&#39;t the biggest problem that Cuba&#39;s had to face. Democracy will reign for a few more years yet in Cuba, I&#39;m sure.

[Scalawag]

I will defend Cuba. However, I won&#39;t defend North Korea. Cuba does not starve it&#39;s citizens. It was the first Latin American nation to improve the welfare of it&#39;s people. Democracy? Bullshit&#33; My dad made an interesting comment about democracy a few years ago. He said

"Who in the third world gives a fuck wether thier government is communist or not? They are living in poverty&#33; They are more concerned about getting food on the table than some stupid free elections." It&#39;s ironic that my dad made that statement. He was in the US airforce for 20 years.
However, he wasn&#39;t fooled by all the US propoganda. He saw things the way they really were. You got a choice Communism or a banana republic.

I don&#39;t understand what is the big deal about democracy. Most of the time it does&#39;nt help the people. What do people really want? They want food, clothing, shelter, and money. In other words, thier welfare is thier top priority. However, welfare is never a top priority in the US supported "democracies" or "fascist regimes".

Now, North Korea, on the other hand, really does suck. Kim Il Jong starves his people and generally makes thier lives misrable. If it&#39;s so great then how come no one wants to go there???

Well, that&#39;s all I got to say. Does anyone agree with me?

[Fidelbrand]

ur ass should be reborn for our fuck&#33;

Cuba is fine, let the people decide.. not the lawless cowboy..
God bless Cuba&#33;

[Pete]

ur ass should be reborn for our fuck&#33;

That seems rather Lutherian to me.


God bless Cuba&#33;

Fidelbrand, Cuba is atheist. I am sure they would not apprecaite that. :P

[Al Creed]

A while ago, I attended a seminar, where Che&#39;s Daughter, Alieda (I think) spoke on the Cuban Five. During the question and answer period, a student asked, once Castro passes away, is there a fear that the U&#036; will invade, or sponsor a candidate?

She responded that the government of Cuba is secure, to the point that it could survive with or without Fidel, and that any American intervention would prove to be unsuccessful.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 03:19 PM

ur ass should be reborn for our fuck&#33;

That seems rather Lutherian to me.


God bless Cuba&#33;

Fidelbrand, Cuba is atheist. I am sure they would not apprecaite that. :P
My god will bless Cuba.. ~ :)

But isn&#39;t Cuba relatively comprised of Catholics .. ? Castro is Catholic, the pope was there & extremely welcomed.. Where&#39;s Danton .. the expert on Cuba.. ? :rolleyes:

[Xvall]

Lol. This is just funny. You do realize that they said this exact same thing five years ago. And ten years ago. And twenty years ago. They said the same thing about Vietnam. We all saw how that turned out.

[Felicia]

Originally posted by Unrelenting [email protected] 10 2003, 03:18 PM
I am trying to gather an international task force to go into America, take out Geroge Bush, so that finaly the country could get an actual elected president. Maybe France would be interested, any know who else might be? My country would just be neutral to the action tho :(.
need any help? I&#39;ll be 20 minutes from the US border ;) ;) :P

[Hawker]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 10:15 AM
I will defend Cuba. However, I won&#39;t defend North Korea. Cuba does not starve it&#39;s citizens. It was the first Latin American nation to improve the welfare of it&#39;s people. Democracy? Bullshit&#33; My dad made an interesting comment about democracy a few years ago. He said

"Who in the third world gives a fuck wether thier government is communist or not? They are living in poverty&#33; They are more concerned about getting food on the table than some stupid free elections." It&#39;s ironic that my dad made that statement. He was in the US airforce for 20 years.
However, he wasn&#39;t fooled by all the US propoganda. He saw things the way they really were. You got a choice Communism or a banana republic.

I don&#39;t understand what is the big deal about democracy. Most of the time it does&#39;nt help the people. What do people really want? They want food, clothing, shelter, and money. In other words, thier welfare is thier top priority. However, welfare is never a top priority in the US supported "democracies" or "fascist regimes".

Now, North Korea, on the other hand, really does suck. Kim Il Jong starves his people and generally makes thier lives misrable. If it&#39;s so great then how come no one wants to go there???

Well, that&#39;s all I got to say. Does anyone agree with me?
Nicely said.I don&#39;t N.Korea is really communist it&#39;s just a dictatorship.Kim doesn&#39;t give a rat&#39;s ass about the people,he gives all the food to his growing military.He&#39;s gone paranoid just like his dad about the US military in the DMZ.

[Leonardo Gironda]

The idiot that posted that article is probably another plebian that eats up all that the american media lies about. it has been predicted that by 2010 that 10% of americas economy will be devoted to manufacturing, the rest of their manufatcuring will be done " slave nations" such as thailand, indonesia and the phillipines.

the las thing cuba needs is to be raped and exploited like every other third world nation. what cuba needs is to get those fucking sanctions lifted off by those zionist pigs so cuba can go forward and not be stuck in a doldrum.

:angry:

[atlanticche]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 12:59 AM
Democracy? Hey, the majority of people living in Cuba support Castro and support socialism. The people love Castro unlike Baptista.
how can you support someone who keeps you trapped, unfree to do anything

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by atlanticche+Nov 1 2003, 01:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (atlanticche @ Nov 1 2003, 01:44 AM)
[email protected] 26 2003, 12:59 AM
Democracy? Hey, the majority of people living in Cuba support Castro and support socialism. The people love Castro unlike Baptista.
how can you support someone who keeps you trapped, unfree to do anything [/b]
perverted cappie, elaborate what u mean by trapped and unfree to do ANYTHING.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Hey, Fidelbrand...what is Fidel doing on your avatar? Who is this boy?

[Urban Rubble]

God, I hate you so much Andrey.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by Kapitan [email protected] 1 2003, 09:28 AM
Hey, Fidelbrand...what is Fidel doing on your avatar? Who is this boy?
i got this pic from yahoo image search, i remember it was something about Fidel&#39;s visit to Africa~ .. he was embracing a sick noy~ :)

[Rasta Sapian]

Dear Babalon 5, or should i say Fat Cat, are you sill hungrey for more Democracy or cigars, you seem to use big names and phrases to justify invading otherwise peacefull self-sufficiant nations. Snap out of it babylon&#33; cuba does not want or need your welcome wagon of impirial plaugue&#33; :P

[REDWARRIOR]

Fuck, US imperilism and "democracy" I am more likely to follow off hitler and join the US b4 suppourting the american system. Hey buddy, Babalyon 5 Crusauder...were u high when u started this? U make me sick

[Kapitan Andrey]

Fidelbrand...oh, OK. Thank you&#33; :)

Fuckin&#39; Rubble...Devil, I hate you much-much more&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol: :lol: :lol:

[nezvanova]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 1 2003, 07:03 PM
God, I hate you so much Andrey.
jeez...seems a little harsh... :huh: lol

[Marxist in Nebraska]

I did not read through much of the thread. I had to comment on the title, which is absurd.

As has been said already, democracy cannot be "reborn" because it did not exist prior to 1959. And Castro&#39;s government, despite its flaws, is still popular. It can certainly be argued that Cuba is more democratic than the United States. Fidel Castro would win any election with a clear majority. George Bush was not elected at all--he stole the election. Maybe democracy needs to be "reborn" in the United States&#33;