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22nd June 2011, 10:05
Karl Marx (INTP):

INTPs are pensive, analytical folks. They may venture so deeply into thought as to seem detached, and often actually are oblivious to the world around them.
Precise about their descriptions, INTPs will often correct others (or be sorely tempted to) if the shade of meaning is a bit off. While annoying to the less concise, this fine discrimination ability gives INTPs so inclined a natural advantage as, for example, grammarians and linguists.
INTPs are relatively easy-going and amenable to almost anything until their principles are violated, about which they may become outspoken and inflexible. They prefer to return, however, to a reserved albeit benign ambiance, not wishing to make spectacles of themselves.
I have heard a few people describe Marx as an INTJ. However, I believe that is incorrect for quite a few reasons. One reason being he was bad with money and didn't seem to exhibit the strong-wiliness of an INTJ to succeed in life. Another aspect of Marx's personality was that he came up with elaborate and intricate theories, but lacked many real-world implementations. So in a nutshell he was brilliant, a tad lazy, and very unique for he redefined the idea of socialism.


Noam Chomsky (INTP): Chomsky is very quintessential Introverted Thinker (Ti) who second-guesses his analyses and often times uses word like "probably", "one of the most", "most likely". Chomsky's works on foreign policy are also very obsessed with verification, as INTPs generally need as much proof as possible to really believe something.

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Rosa Luxemburg (INTJ):

To outsiders, INTJs may appear to project an aura of "definiteness", of self-confidence. This self-confidence, sometimes mistaken for simple arrogance by the less decisive, is actually of a very specific rather than a general nature; its source lies in the specialized knowledge systems that most INTJs start building at an early age. When it comes to their own areas of expertise -- and INTJs can have several -- they will be able to tell you almost immediately whether or not they can help you, and if so, how. INTJs know what they know, and perhaps still more importantly, they know what they don't know.Luxemburg was one of the greatest economic minds to exist. Her entire work was dedicated to tenants of Marxism. And she had in many ways improved the findings of Engels on the origins of slavery. She expressed her ideas of certain systems of government and was able to voice her disagreements when need be.


Joseph Stalin (ISTJ):

They are noted for devotion to duty. Punctuality is a watchword of the ISTJ. The secretary, clerk, or business(wo)man by whom others set their clocks is likely to be an ISTJ. As do other Introverted Thinkers, ISTJs often give the initial impression of being aloof and perhaps somewhat cold. Effusive expression of emotional warmth is not something that ISTJs do without considerable energy loss.
This one may or may not be 100% accurate. But what from I read Stalin was a solid and not very abstract person. Many of his plans to me, seem to have very little theoretical basis.

Mao Zedong (ENTJ):

ENTJs have a natural tendency to marshall and direct. This may be expressed with the charm and finesse of a world leader or with the insensitivity of a cult leader. The ENTJ requires little encouragement to make a plan. One ENTJ put it this way... "I make these little plans that really don't have any importance to anyone else, and then feel compelled to carry them out." While "compelled" may not describe ENTJs as a group, nevertheless the bent to plan creatively and to make those plans reality is a common theme for NJ types. Mao was an intelligent man who read philosophical works and was very well-read. Although he was responsible for many deaths he did seem to have positive intentions for his plans for the Chinese economy.

Vladimir Lenin (ENTJ): His works are extensive and so are his plans. He was great at organizing people and was a charismatic leader. Though he made some positive changes to the lives of the Russian people (legalizing homosexuality and abortion and building schools), he was also quite ruthless. He wanted nothing to stand in his way to achieve socialism in the Russia.


Che Guevara (ENFJ):
ENFJs are the benevolent 'pedagogues' of humanity. They have tremendous charisma by which many are drawn into their nurturant tutelage and/or grand schemes. Many ENFJs have tremendous power to manipulate others with their phenomenal interpersonal skills and unique salesmanship. But it's usually not meant as manipulation -- ENFJs generally believe in their dreams, and see themselves as helpers and enablers, which they usually are. Although he might have been to violent, Che's bravery is unmatched. He had strict moral principles and made sure his soldiers had followed them, (instances where he'd punish his soldiers for deserting or stealing). He was also willing to die and bring revolution by any means he deemed fit.




Anyone want to do Trotsky? I'm thinking INFJ, but not exactly sure.

Matty_UK
22nd June 2011, 12:54
Noam Chomsky (INTP): Chomsky is very quintessential Introverted Thinker (Ti) who second-guesses his analyses and often times uses word like "probably", "one of the most", "most likely". Chomsky's works on foreign policy are also very obsessed with verification, as INTPs generally need as much proof as possible to really believe something.

I'm pretty sure Chomsky is an INFJ. He is ultimately a moralist and his logic is always used in service of an idea of what is moral and right, NT types are usually more detached and descriptive whilst Chomsky is an NF crusader. He is also less interested in theory than an INTP would be. Also, his outwardly warm and personable manner suggests that his F function is extroverted, making him more likely to be an INFJ than an INFP. (INFJ - Introverted Intuition, Extroverted Feeling; INFP - Introverted Feeling, Extroverted Intuition)

MBTI is pretty fun. :)

Also, I think Mao Zedong is more likely to be an ENFP than an ENTJ. His approach to theory is more like the NF "omgz this is so cool!" imaginative style rather than the skeptical and meticulous NT approach, plus he wrote a lot of poetry and had quite a romantic worldview. And he changed his mind a lot and seemed to improvise his policies, and was also very unkempt and disorganised, very unlike a structured and regimented Judging type.

Matty_UK
22nd June 2011, 13:05
And Lenin and Trotsky are INTJ and INTP respectively. Lenin was a mastermind who perceived the reality of the situation very accurately (Introverted Intuition) yet his auxiliary extroverted thinking gave him the natural leadership skills, direction, and drive to convert his understanding into a plan of action and follow through his plans over a long term period. Trotsky was a great theorist (typical INTP) and ever critical - his perpetual renegade persona is quite typical of the isolationist INTP.

22nd June 2011, 16:46
I'm pretty sure Chomsky is an INFJ. He is ultimately a moralist and his logic is always used in service of an idea of what is moral and right, NT types are usually more detached and descriptive whilst Chomsky is an NF crusader. He is also less interested in theory than an INTP would be. Also, his outwardly warm and personable manner suggests that his F function is extroverted, making him more likely to be an INFJ than an INFP. (INFJ - Introverted Intuition, Extroverted Feeling; INFP - Introverted Feeling, Extroverted Intuition)

MBTI is pretty fun. :)

Also, I think Mao Zedong is more likely to be an ENFP than an ENTJ. His approach to theory is more like the NF "omgz this is so cool!" imaginative style rather than the skeptical and meticulous NT approach, plus he wrote a lot of poetry and had quite a romantic worldview. And he changed his mind a lot and seemed to improvise his policies, and was also very unkempt and disorganised, very unlike a structured and regimented Judging type.

I don't see him as warm at all he always speaks in monotone. Also his works inlinguistics is very esoteric and theoretical. Infjs exhibit strong will for a cause but Chomsky mostly analizes power structures.

Uncle Rob
27th June 2011, 02:28
And Lenin and Trotsky are INTJ and INTP respectively. Lenin was a mastermind who perceived the reality of the situation very accurately (Introverted Intuition) yet his auxiliary extroverted thinking gave him the natural leadership skills, direction, and drive to convert his understanding into a plan of action and follow through his plans over a long term period. Trotsky was a great theorist (typical INTP) and ever critical - his perpetual renegade persona is quite typical of the isolationist INTP.


The MBTI system is severely flawed. Jung initially said that Judging types (J) couldn't have a perceptive dominant function (Ni for example). If we take the MBTI INTJ for example the function order is Ni,Te,Fi,Se, respectively but as you can see they are a "J"type. Further; MBTI assumes that types only use four functions which is also flawed. It has been found that all eight of the psychological functions are used by the human mind.

Secondly; Introverted intuition is not the ability to "perceive the reality of the situation" More correctly it is described as:


As a base function, introverted intuition generally manifests itself through a lack of direct attention to the world around oneself, and a sense of detachment or freedom from worldly affairs. This can lead to a highly developed imagination and very unique mental world, but it can also result in a great deal of laziness and apparent inactivity. Because the individual gets his or her primary information about the world through imagination, a person with base introverted intuition may be able to thrive in situations where data are scarce, or where he or she lacks the usual prerequisite experience. However, this may also become a disadvantage if the person ignores real data about the world too much. The ability to transcend the axis of time and understand the cause and effect relationships that occur is also a feature, sometimes resulting in the ability to accurately predict general future trends and outcomes of certain events.

Lenin wasn't lazy. I would argue Lenin was probably a Introverted thinking dominant given his tendency to clarification and his disdain for liberal interpretations. Further he was ardently against lack of discipline which is a Judging characteristic.

dez
5th January 2012, 04:49
Karl Marx (INTJ):


Noam Chomsky (INFP): Linguist, idealist, etc.


Rosa Luxemburg (INFP):

Probably


Joseph Stalin (ESTJ or ENTJ):

Don't know. Likely an ESTJ.



Mao Zedong (ENTP):

His massive grafitti in school is a classic ENTP attitude. Likewise, he had brilliant ideas but didn't have as much of a need for closure as propaganda claims.


Vladimir Lenin (INTJ): No doubt about that.

Che Guevara (ENFP):

Trotsky (ENFJ)

Napoleon (ENTJ)

Fidel Castro (ENTJ)

Caesar (ENTJ) Or INTJ. Hard to tell.

Thatcher (ENTJ)

Muhammed (ENTJ)

Malcolm X (ENTJ)

Goebbels (ENTJ)

Hitler (INFJ)

Mussolini (ENFP)

Churchill (ENTP): His wits are clear ENTP. Even through depression

Putin (ENTP):

Michael Moore (ENFJ)

Herbert Hoover (ISTJ)

Mother Theresa (ISFJ)

Marie Antoinette (ISFP)

Marie Antoinette (ISFP)

Rommel (ISTP)

Patton (ESTP)

Zhukov (ESTP)
(See a pattern?)

Murat (ESFP)

Khruschev (ESFP)

John D. Rockefeller (ESTJ)