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Sinister Cultural Marxist
21st June 2011, 16:19
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13857894


China defends visit by Sudan President Omar al-Bashir

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50480000/jpg/_50480640_006970802-1.jpg Rights groups say Omar al-Bashir's visit could make China a "safe haven" for genocide suspects
Continue reading the main story (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13857894#story_continues_1) Deadly Darfur



Darfur: World's favourite war? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8501526.stm)
In pictures: Portraits of Darfur (http://www.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8182979.stm)
Q&A: Darfur conflict (http://www.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3496731.stm)
Who are Sudan's Darfur rebels? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7039360.stm)



Chinese officials have defended a decision to invite Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir to China next week, after criticism from rights groups.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said his government had every right to invite Mr Bashir, whom China has supported for many years.
The International Criminal Court (ICC) issued an arrest warrant for Mr Bashir for genocide and war crimes in 2009.
But Mr Hong said China was not signed up to the ICC.
"China has reserved its opinion towards the International Criminal Court lawsuit against President Omar al-Bashir," he said.
"President Bashir has been visiting other countries on a number of occasions and has been warmly welcomed by those countries."
Since the ICC issued its arrest warrant, Mr Bashir has visited countries including Eritrea, Egypt, Libya and Qatar - none of whom are signed up to the ICC.
He also visited Kenya, which decided not to detain him despite being a signatory to the ICC's treaty. The treaty obliges signatories to detain anyone wanted by the court.
Amnesty International last week urged China to arrest the Sudanese leader.
The organisation's Catherine Baber said China would become a "safe haven for alleged perpetrators of genocide" if the country did not detain him.
The ICC has charged Mr Bashir with crimes against humanity, war crimes and genocide over alleged atrocities in Sudan's Darfur region.
China has invested heavily in Sudan, and has frequently voiced support for Mr Bashir's government.
It's disappointing (though I'm sure hardly surprising to some) that China sees itself in solidarity with this despicable waste of oxygen. But what makes this doubly sad is that the Sudan is currently beginning to unleash a new wave of racist and genocidal violence against the Nuba people, right on the heels of the Darfur genocide. Bashir seems intent on trying to achieve the record for the largest number of genocides pursued by a single tyrant.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13773161

http://www.sudantribune.com/Plight-of-the-Nuba-of-Kordofan,39278


By El-Tahir El-Faki
June 20, 2011 — During the height of the Darfur crisis the Islamic regime of President Bashir lead massive ethnic and genocide campaigns against the indigenous Africans to replace them with Arabs from countries such as Chad, Central Africa, Niger, Mauretania and Mali. While the international community was concentrating on the Darfur crisis, the Justice and Equality Movement (JEM) was reminding all concerned that the issue was national requiring holistic solutions. Furthermore it stressed that it would only be a matter of time before Bashir would repeat the same scenario in Kordofan. The indicators were clear and copious. The Nuba of Kordofan are indigenous multi-religious Africans who are mostly supporters of the SPLM and perceived by Islamic regime of Bashir as infidels whose rich and fertile lands must be evacuated and given to the Arabs. Thanks to the intervention of the international community and SPLM for not allowing the Islamic Jihadists project to materialise. A period of relative peace and stability ensued until the recent events on the 5th of June 2011.
When the Darfur problem broke out in 2003, Kordofanese with farsighted vision rushed and joined (JEM) and have overtime grown to a sizable group within the movement. What concerned them was its manifesto that categorised the Darfur crisis as part of an all Sudanese problems and has always included Kordofan in every aspect of its negotiations with the Government of Sudan (GoS). The international community was in no mood to mandate the inclusion of Kordofan parallel with the solution to the Darfur crisis. At every level JEM has been considered an intransigent element and a spoiler of the peace processes due to its nationalist aspirations and on its stance regarding Kordofan. In 2006 in Abuja and for the last two years in Doha, Kordofan has been utterly excluded on the same grounds even though Thabo Mbeki’s report unambiguously stated the problem a Sudanese one that requires holistic approach.
President Bashir unilaterally ordered the disarming of SPLA Joint Army Unit and gave them one week to do so. The CPA mandates the SPLA to remain in the area until the 9th July 2011 when it expires. On the 5th of June 2011 war suddenly erupted in Kadugli, the capital city of South Kordofan, between the Sudanese armed forces (SAF) and the SPLA units under the command of General Abdel Aziz Al-hilu. The incident took place when the SAF went to disarm the SPLA units with fatal confrontations. GoS accused SPLM northern sector of instigating the tragic events in collusion with foreign agents to muster discord in bid for regime change. Now Kordofan has exploded and thousands of Nuba have already perished at the hands of Bashir’s troops. Reports from the region estimated that hundreds of thousands including women, children and the elderly have by now joined the uncountable millions of the internally displaced in Sudan.
Following the incidents on the 19th of May 2011 in Abyei tensions ran high leading to massive build up of heavy military presence in South Kordofan. The rising tensions spiralled when the SPLM Northern Sector accused the NCP of rigging the gubernatorial elections in favour of the indicted and ICC wanted war criminal Ahmed Haroun and refused to participate in his government.
Fighting rapidly erupted and has involved the entire Nuba Mountains. The SAF resorted to its indiscriminate old tactics in Darfur. MIG-29 jetfighters and Antanov aerial-bombardments preceded the artillery shelling to pave the way for ground forces, popular defence and allied militias to pillage and burn the Nuba villages down. The cities of Kadugli, Dilling, Kouda, and Taloudi witnessed extensive air raids killing civilians and destroying their properties. The bombing terrorised civilians in Kalimo in Kadugli, Taferah, Kaiga Al-Khayil, Hajar al-Nar, Abugeibaiha, Miri, Dilling, Lagawa and Kouda and drove them into displacement. The livestock on which the population depend did not escape the assault and thousands perished as result. ‘Nuba Survival Foundation’ estimated that more than 40,000 inhabitants fled the city of Kadugli in fear for their lives. Hundreds of thousands of people including children, women and the elderly left their mountain dwellings into uninhabitable situations. It is painful to describe the appalling living conditions they are now experiencing. Mines have been planted in and around Kadugli while dead bodies litter the streets and remained scattered in the centre - strong reminder to the Nuba of what awaits them. Three civilians lost their lives when a mine exploded and a lorry was blown up killing six people instantaneously. SAF, popular and Arab militias are hunting down supporters of the SPLA and Nuba in house to house search. Those found were subjected to brutal executions and their homes looted or burnt down. Families and individuals who fled the area and managed to reach El-Obeid, the capital city of North Kordofan, were subjected to inhumane interrogations or sent back.
GoS resorted to usage of food as weapon of war by refusing to allow access for independent observers or international NGOs to assess the needs of the population and deliver humanitarian aid. Reports are rife that Arab militias have been allowed to apprehend and kill Nuba or destroy their homes and villages. The incidents in south Kordofan increasingly emulate the systematic ethnic cleansing and genocide campaigns in Darfur orchestrated by Ahmed Haroun while he was Interior State Minister. He is the same thug who years back in 1990s committed serious human rights abuses in the Nuba Mountains before he was assigned to Darfur to conduct a campaign of genocide. Undoubtedly most areas of South Kordofan are facing major humanitarian crisis. The Nuba describe it as ‘Rwanda genocide revisited’ in their Mountains. Tenth of thousands of children, women and the elderly people are left in appalling conditions where the heavy rains make access to food extremely difficult.
The plight of the Nuba has not come out of the blue. The Islamic Regime has supplied the Arab tribes in the region with sophisticated weapons. Recently it deployed more than 200 tanks to South Kordofan, to quell what it alleges as armed mutiny and insurgency. These are the same sequels that led to the Darfur crisis. The government agenda towards the Nuba people are beyond doubt clear. The appointment of the war criminal Ahmed Haroun as Governor is a strong testimony to the genocide intentions of Bashir against the Nuba people. It is the starting process of Darfurising the Nuba of Kordofan. He is the same person who in 1990s was behind the ethnic cleansing of the Nuba. In a nutshell having orchestrated the Darfur genocide, Haroun is the right choice for GoS to complete the unfinished job to ethnically cleanse the Nuba People and bring in Arabs to occupy their lands.
On the 15th of June 2011the ‘Nuba Survival Foundation’ issued a press release condemning the government’s aerial bombardments of cities and villages across the Nuba Mountains which resulted in the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Nuba people.
It is high time for the international community to act swiftly to exert pressure on the GoS to halt all military assaults in south Kordofan and contain the crisis before it becomes a Rwanda-like genocide. Protection of civilians by allowing UNAMIS to play tough against the perpetrators must take priority. It should not be left for GoS to hinder the NGOs to deliver assistance to the civilians in need. Robust international efforts are urgently needed to help the internally displaced Nuba to return to their original homes before Arabs occupy and settle in them instead. And for those who lost everything compensations must be paid by the government.
The Nuba of Kordofan have experienced painful historical discrimination and marginalisation in all aspects. While President Al-Bashir and Ahmed Haroun are both wanted by ICC for genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity they committed in Darfur, Nuba have no confidence in their promises. Justice must be sought for the victims through the ICC.
And finally Nuba civilians deserve protection. The continuous air attacks by the Sudanese Air Forces must be neutralised. A no-fly-zone in the Nuba Mountains has become a necessity. The evidence of civilian sufferings has surfaced and has become media-clear. The obligation for the International Community to protect the Nuba requires urgent intervention.
The author is Dr. EL-faki. He is the Speaker of JEM/Legislative Assembly. He can be reached at [email protected]
This is the practical result of the "Anti-Imperialist" position of China that some on this forum hold so dear. More like "We will sell weapons to any leader, no matter how odious and genocidal, so long as they have the resources to feed our industrial machine". This type of behavior is to be expected from the EU and USA (ie, American support of Apartheid, etc), but not from a government led by a political party proclaiming its devotion to the liberation of the toiling peoples of the world, etc.

Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk
21st June 2011, 16:48
Its all business. The BBC are reporting this as if only China would host a mass-murdering scum bag, disregarding Britain's track record as well as America's.

The fact is that China is a big imperialistic power and in international capitalism, business comes first and genocide is irrelevant where profit is to be had. China are merely doing what the West have been doing for years. The sensible people on this forum don't have any illusions in China - we know that the country is another player on the international capitalist scene.

I don't think supporters of China should be allowed on the forum - take a look at Shanghai, you wont find any socialism there friends.

Sinister Cultural Marxist
21st June 2011, 17:04
Just to note-there are two headlines here-the story isn't only that Bashir is going to Sudan, but that Sudan is also currently gearing up to enact another tragedy on their own people. This is the real story-the next Darfur in the making.


Its all business. The BBC are reporting this as if only China would host a mass-murdering scum bag, disregarding Britain's track record as well as America's.


This is certainly true, hence my reference to the US support for Apartheid. Certainly, this would make the PRC a genuine Imperialist power no different from the UK, USA, France and Imperial Germany, but what makes the Chinese case new is that those governments never called themselves Socialist. The PRC is peculiar in that it is a Capitalist Imperial power which drapes itself in a big red cape.



The fact is that China is a big imperialistic power and in international capitalism, business comes first and genocide is irrelevant where profit is to be had. China are merely doing what the West have been doing for years. The sensible people on this forum don't have any illusions in China - we know that the country is another player on the international capitalist scene.

I don't think supporters of China should be allowed on the forum - take a look at Shanghai, you wont find any socialism there friends.I agree with you 100%. The PRC is adopting the same mercantile and capitalist tactics of their opponents. But it seems like there are some on this forum with their heads in the sand when it comes to the nature of this government. Return to the source, 3tune, chimurenga (or proletarianrevolution or whatever the fuck he calls himself), and some other folks all uphold the CCP as a legit workers party. This should be proof once and for all, even for the most militant, that China has gone quite far down the Imperialist path.

Pretty Flaco
21st June 2011, 17:09
despicable.

NoOneIsIllegal
21st June 2011, 17:22
If I even hear one of you kids try and justify Sudan's regime, I'm going to rage. It gets tiring enough hearing about DPRK, but for fuck sake please don't try and defend this piece of shit.

danyboy27
21st June 2011, 17:23
despicable, but hardly surprising coming from a capitalistic state like China.

China got the money, the sudanese governement got the oil, what happen to the working class of darfur is irrelevant to the actual exchange of commodities or the actual use of the commodities.

while the U.S try to hide his geopolitical action behind moralistic principles like freedom and democracy, China represent the perfect exemple of what a honest capitalistic nation should do according to the basic principles of what capitalism is all about.

Triple A
21st June 2011, 17:30
China hosts mass-murdering president of Sudan

You mean China hosts resource rich president of Sudan?

Ocean Seal
21st June 2011, 17:41
Not despicable. Not emotional. Just business, just like every capitalist empire China needs business parters, and doesn't much care for their human rights record. And just like every capitalist empire China must be taken down. Why are we all acting as if this is something that we don't expect from capitalist empires?

Troof
21st June 2011, 18:58
Bush should sign up an account here, as he also is a huge promoter of all the Darfur Lies.

danyboy27
21st June 2011, 19:02
Bush should sign up an account here, as he also is a huge promoter of all the Darfur Lies.


humm, the darfur situation is pretty real man, thousand of people have been brutally killed and even more displaced by the governement militia.

Troof
21st June 2011, 19:04
Should should buy the domain "imperialistleft.com" and have it point to here.

danyboy27
21st June 2011, 19:05
Should should buy the domain "imperialistleft.com" and have it point to here.


if you are not willing to participate, get out of this thread.

Sinister Cultural Marxist
21st June 2011, 19:05
Not despicable. Not emotional. Just business, just like every capitalist empire China needs business parters, and doesn't much care for their human rights record.

True, still makes them borderline sociopaths.


And just like every capitalist empire China must be taken down. Why are we all acting as if this is something that we don't expect from capitalist empires?I don't think anyone is acting like this is something unexpected. What's unexpected is that people at once call themselves Communists and also consider this government worth upholding as revolutionary, including on this forum.

Also, a much more substantive story isn't just the fact that China is hosting him, but that a new Sudanese genocide is gearing up to begin in the Nuba mountains. Surely, any money he gets from his "business deals" with China will go to financing any new military campaign there. I hear they want to drive the Nuba out to build hydroelectric dams. Confusingly, the Nubians may also become the victims of attempts of the Sudanese government to "cleanse" the nile of their villagers to build dams there too, but the situation in the Nuba mountains seems more immediate.


If I even hear one of you kids try and justify Sudan's regime, I'm going to rage. It gets tiring enough hearing about DPRK, but for fuck sake please don't try and defend this piece of shit.

I'm with you on this ... oh wait


Bush should sign up an account here, as he also is a huge promoter of all the Darfur Lies.

Rage in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

:scared::crying::mad::cursing:

Revelft bans Nazis, what about fuckers who back Sudanese neofascists?

Troof
21st June 2011, 19:11
"The people of Darfur have suffered unspeakable violence, and America has called these atrocities what they are -- genocide. For the last two years, America joined with the international community to provide emergency food aid and support for an African Union peacekeeping force. Yet your suffering continues. The world must step forward to provide additional humanitarian aid -- and we must strengthen the African Union force that has done good work, but is not strong enough to protect you. The Security Council has approved a resolution that would transform the African Union force into a blue-helmeted force that is larger and more robust. To increase its strength and effectiveness, NATO nations should provide logistics and other support. The regime in Khartoum is stopping the deployment of this force. If the Sudanese government does not approve this peacekeeping force quickly, the United Nations must act."

Oh my, I now see the error of my ways! Quick guys, lets get NATO to help us FREE the Sudanese people from their evil tyrants!

4 da revolution!!11!

right guys?

Triple A
21st June 2011, 19:12
Hey troll go away, you know darfur is real.

Troof
21st June 2011, 19:14
Did you know Iraqi soldiers went into Kuwait and ripped babies out of incubators and threw them on the floor?

I saw it on the news and read about it on the internet. It's gotta be true.

Let's help the US government get the evil tryants all over the world! It's our duty as Internationalists!

Troof
21st June 2011, 19:16
Besides, when US imperialism goes into a country and overthrows their evil, crazy tyrant, it only helps the working class get that much closer to revolution. It's easier to organize for worker's revolution under the watchful eye of the US government, and not some crazy evil totalitarian baby-eating dictator.

Right guys?

Triple A
21st June 2011, 19:18
Say with me: I am a troll, I am a troll
http://ocfordarfur.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/main-photo-poster-edge-ii-copy.jpg

Boboulas
21st June 2011, 19:18
Oh my, I now see the error of my ways! Quick guys, lets get NATO to help us FREE the Sudanese people from their evil tyrants!

4 da revolution!!11!

right guys?


I dont think you have enough hay bales for that strawman.

Troof
21st June 2011, 19:22
Why is it when US imperialism wants to kill someone, there is always a certain section of the Left that immediately leaps to support it?

Why is this the same Left who hates everything in the world that claims to be Left (except Western European parliamentary shit-Left parties like Labor)?

How come this 'Left' can never be found organizing any protests against US imperialism they claim to oppose, but they write long screeds about the anti-imperialist Left supporting evil murdering baby-killing mass-raping capitalist dictators?

danyboy27
21st June 2011, 19:25
Did you know Iraqi soldiers went into Kuwait and ripped babies out of incubators and threw them on the floor?

I saw it on the news and read about it on the internet. It's gotta be true.

Let's help the US government get the evil tryants all over the world! It's our duty as Internationalists!

Unlike the incubator lie, the darfur situation have been reported time and time again by ngo and human right groups who sent folks in sudan to investigate on the situation.

the extremely large refugee camps in Chad being one of the evidence of the etnical cleansing. a great deal of those refugee have been mutilated and raped by the janjaweed.

and its all for the oil bro.

Troof
21st June 2011, 19:33
Here is what that known-dictator supporter and tyrant apologist Noam Chomsky has to say about Darfur:



Darfur

Chomsky also touched on Sudan's Darfur region.

"There are terrible things going on in Darfur, but in comparison with the region they don't amount to a lot unfortunately - like what's going on in eastern Congo is incomparably worse than in Darfur.

"But Darfur is a very popular topic for Western humanists because you can blame it on an enemy - you have to distort a lot but you can blame it on 'Arabs', 'bad guys'," he explained.

"What about saving eastern Cong where maybe 20 times as many people have been killed? Well, that gets kind of tricky ... for people who... are using minerals from eastern Congo that obtained by multinationals sponsoring militias which slaughter and kill and get the minerals," he said.

Or the fact that Rwanda is simply the worst of the many agents and it is a US alley, he added.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=35407

What an evil scumbag Noam Chomsky must be, to suggest something so perverse like the US is exaggerating the importance of a conflict for their own imperialist interests!

How dare that butcher-apologist say something like that about the good, honest, well-meaning but often-confused democratically elected leaders in Washington DC!

Sinister Cultural Marxist
21st June 2011, 19:37
Here is what that known-dictator supporter and tyrant apologist Noam Chomsky has to say about Darfur:

middle-east-online.com/english/?id=35407

What an evil scumbag Noam Chomsky must be, to suggest something so perverse like the US is exaggerating the importance of a conflict for their own imperialist interests!

How dare that butcher-apologist say something like that about the good, honest, well-meaning but often-confused democratically elected leaders in Washington DC!

http://binarydissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/strawman.jpg

Chomsky never said that Darfur was invented or that the allegations against the Sudanese government were lies. He just said there were other people just as bad in the world, which is true. You, on the other hand, basically said anyone critical of Sudan is an agent of the American government or somehow defending the American government. How you think one proves the other is beyond me, but there you go.

Also, Darfur was hardly the first genocide put in motion by the Sudanese government.

Per Levy
21st June 2011, 19:40
Here is what that known-dictator supporter and tyrant apologist Noam Chomsky has to say about Darfur:

middle-east-online.com/english/?id=35407

What an evil scumbag Noam Chomsky must be, to suggest something so perverse like the US is exaggerating the importance of a conflict for their own imperialist interests!

How dare that butcher-apologist say something like that about the good, honest, well-meaning but often-confused democratically elected leaders in Washington DC!

chomsky himself says that "terrible things going on in dafur" you only had to compare the dafur situation with the lies that iraqi soldiers were killing babys. i mean wtf is wrong with you?

and stop raging so much its anoying.

danyboy27
21st June 2011, 19:41
Here is what that known-dictator supporter and tyrant apologist Noam Chomsky has to say about Darfur:

middle-east-online.com/english/?id=35407

What an evil scumbag Noam Chomsky must be, to suggest something so perverse like the US is exaggerating the importance of a conflict for their own imperialist interests!

How dare that butcher-apologist say something like that about the good, honest, well-meaning but often-confused democratically elected leaders in Washington DC!

Yea, that true that stuff like that happen everywhere in africa, and its also true that there is oil in darfur and its also true that one of the main reason why its so mainstream is the presence of oil in darfur.

That dosnt change nothing about what we precedently said, on the other hand, it just confirm what we been saying all along about the reality of the darfur genocide.

We are talking about this right now beccause of this sudden pro-chinese stance some member of this forum seem to have, and the weird belief some other have that the chinese state is socialist.

Troof
21st June 2011, 19:42
Chomsky never said that Darfur was invented or that the allegations against the Sudanese government were lies.But he implied it, right! Look what he's suggesting:

He's telling us we should be more worried about US imperialism and their intentions on Sudan than concerned about the killing that is going on there!

Chomsky is justifying mass murder!

We gotta put that butcher-apologist Chomsky in his place. How dare he suggest that US, NATO and UN forces only want to control the country for their own purposes!

Why, saying that to people is just gonna keep the slaughter going, right?

So we better hurry up and denounce him. We also need to not make too much of a stink about US imperialism, because the US military is gonna help get rid of the EVIL in Darfur that is causing this humanitarian catastrophe that we should be so very, very concerned about!

DOWN WITH CHOMSKY! DOWN WITH CHOMSKY!

Per Levy
21st June 2011, 19:47
But he implied it, right! Look what he's suggesting:

He's telling us we should be more worried about US imperialism and their intentions on Sudan than concerned about the killing that is going on there!

Chomsky is justifying mass murder!

We gotta put that butcher-apologist Chomsky in his place. How dare he suggest that US, NATO and UN forces only want to control the country for their own purposes!

Why, saying that to people is just gonna keep the slaughter going, right?

So we better hurry up and denounce him. We also need to not make too much of a stink about US imperialism, because the US military is gonna help get rid of the EVIL in Darfur that is causing this humanitarian catastrophe that we should be so very, very concerned about!

DOWN WITH CHOMSKY! DOWN WITH CHOMSKY!

why do i get the feeling i should post animal pictures now? and also you probally get banned soon, rightfully so.

ps: the only "butcher-apologist" is you troof.

Troof
21st June 2011, 19:49
why do i get the feeling i should post animal pictures now? and also you probally get banned soon, rightfully so

Why? I'm one of you guys now.

You and George W. Bush taught me the value of bourgeois human-rights, and the error of my anti-imperialist ways.

Troof
21st June 2011, 19:51
When do I start getting my checks from the liberal-NGOs, btw? I sure could use them right now.

danyboy27
21st June 2011, 20:03
When do I start getting my checks from the liberal-NGOs, btw? I sure could use them right now.

and a great deal of scientist and philosophers are liberals.

does it mean everything they are doing or saying is shit?
no, it only mean their politics are shit.

Troof
21st June 2011, 20:11
and a great deal of scientist and philosophers are liberals.

And imperialists. Liberalism and imperialism go hand in hand, don't they?

I mean, it's always about preventing some humanitarian nightmare or getting rid of the super-evil tyrant from Dimension Evil with them.


does it mean everything they are doing or saying is shit?
no, it only mean their politics are shit.

Yeah, hence why I want to get my paycheck from them. Cause why on Earth would any sane Leftist do their bidding for free?

We should form a union and organize for our rights as mouthpieces for imperialism. They aren't paying us enough!

danyboy27
21st June 2011, 20:23
And imperialists. Liberalism and imperialism go hand in hand, don't they?

I mean, it's always about preventing some humanitarian nightmare or getting rid of the super-evil tyrant from Dimension Evil with them.



Yeah, hence why I want to get my paycheck from them. Cause why on Earth would any sane Leftist do their bidding for free?

We should form a union and organize for our rights as mouthpieces for imperialism. They aren't paying us enough!

if you dont want to participate to this thread seriously, get out.

CynicalIdealist
21st June 2011, 20:27
Despicable, but I don't see why this is news.

Troof
21st June 2011, 20:29
What? I want to help you promote the views of the imperialists.

Is there some kind of union already that I don't know about? I'll start paying dues.

I hope the name is catchy though. I was thinking we should call ourselves Leftists Interested in Affirming Revolutionary Situations. I think this new LIARS group will help us get more money out of the Ford Foundation and George Soros. He needs to know that we LIARS mean business! We demand higher wages!

LIARS of the world unite! We have nothing to lose but our chains!

Os Cangaceiros
21st June 2011, 20:30
I'm pretty sure it's possible to recognize that Sudan is 1) a very reactionary regime w/ an archaic Islamic legal code in which (for example) women can and are whipped for wearing pants, and 2) is culpable in grievous violence conducted by the janjaweed militias. I think it's possible to recognize these facts without supporting imperialism.

danyboy27
21st June 2011, 20:34
What? I want to help you promote the views of the imperialists.

Is there some kind of union already that I don't know about? I'll start paying dues.

I hope the name is catchy though. I was thinking we should call ourselves Leftists Interested in Affirming Revolutionary Situations. I think this new LIARS group will help us get more money out of the Ford Foundation and George Soros. He needs to know that we LIARS mean business! We demand higher wages!

LIARS of the world unite! We have nothing to lose but our chains!

too bad you will get banned soon. you could have learned so much on this forum.

Troof
21st June 2011, 20:36
Why will I be banned? Isn't this a place for discussion amongst "Leftists?"

Or is this all just some kind of State Department front group?

I'm not really sure which at this point, but I suppose banning me sorta gives away the game, right?

Os Cangaceiros
21st June 2011, 20:38
Or is this all just some kind of State Department front group?


He's on to us boys! :scared:

Crux
21st June 2011, 20:42
Yeah, hence why I want to get my paycheck from them. Cause why on Earth would any sane Leftist do their bidding for free?

We should form a union and organize for our rights as mouthpieces for imperialism. They aren't paying us enough!
China is not paying you well enough? Enjoy your coming ban, troll.

Troof
21st June 2011, 20:43
Quick question:

Does being a member of the RevLeft disinformation team mean you also get to fuck children? Cause I heard somewhere RevLeft is run by pedophiles.

Pretty Flaco
21st June 2011, 21:13
If I even hear one of you kids try and justify Sudan's regime, I'm going to rage. It gets tiring enough hearing about DPRK, but for fuck sake please don't try and defend this piece of shit.

But we must support them in their effort against US imperialism. :rolleyes:
Because China isn't imperialistic amirite

Os Cangaceiros
21st June 2011, 21:20
No, the fact of the matter is that only the USA (and maybe a few of it's flunkies in Europe, but definitely not the worker's state of Belarus!) can be imperialistic.

Death to America! :cursing::cursing:

Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk
21st June 2011, 21:33
trololololololololo

sup guys?

Catmatic Leftist
21st June 2011, 22:20
Should should buy the domain "imperialistleft.com" and have it point to here.


Bush should sign up an account here, as he also is a huge promoter of all the Darfur Lies.




Oh my, I now see the error of my ways! Quick guys, lets get NATO to help us FREE the Sudanese people from their evil tyrants!

4 da revolution!!11!

right guys?



Did you know Iraqi soldiers went into Kuwait and ripped babies out of incubators and threw them on the floor?

I saw it on the news and read about it on the internet. It's gotta be true.

Let's help the US government get the evil tryants all over the world! It's our duty as Internationalists!


Besides, when US imperialism goes into a country and overthrows their evil, crazy tyrant, it only helps the working class get that much closer to revolution. It's easier to organize for worker's revolution under the watchful eye of the US government, and not some crazy evil totalitarian baby-eating dictator.

Right guys?


Why is it when US imperialism wants to kill someone, there is always a certain section of the Left that immediately leaps to support it?

Why is this the same Left who hates everything in the world that claims to be Left (except Western European parliamentary shit-Left parties like Labor)?

How come this 'Left' can never be found organizing any protests against US imperialism they claim to oppose, but they write long screeds about the anti-imperialist Left supporting evil murdering baby-killing mass-raping capitalist dictators?


Here is what that known-dictator supporter and tyrant apologist Noam Chomsky has to say about Darfur:

middle-east-online.com/english/?id=35407

What an evil scumbag Noam Chomsky must be, to suggest something so perverse like the US is exaggerating the importance of a conflict for their own imperialist interests!

How dare that butcher-apologist say something like that about the good, honest, well-meaning but often-confused democratically elected leaders in Washington DC!


But he implied it, right! Look what he's suggesting:

He's telling us we should be more worried about US imperialism and their intentions on Sudan than concerned about the killing that is going on there!

Chomsky is justifying mass murder!

We gotta put that butcher-apologist Chomsky in his place. How dare he suggest that US, NATO and UN forces only want to control the country for their own purposes!

Why, saying that to people is just gonna keep the slaughter going, right?

So we better hurry up and denounce him. We also need to not make too much of a stink about US imperialism, because the US military is gonna help get rid of the EVIL in Darfur that is causing this humanitarian catastrophe that we should be so very, very concerned about!

DOWN WITH CHOMSKY! DOWN WITH CHOMSKY!


When do I start getting my checks from the liberal-NGOs, btw? I sure could use them right now.


And imperialists. Liberalism and imperialism go hand in hand, don't they?

I mean, it's always about preventing some humanitarian nightmare or getting rid of the super-evil tyrant from Dimension Evil with them.



Yeah, hence why I want to get my paycheck from them. Cause why on Earth would any sane Leftist do their bidding for free?

We should form a union and organize for our rights as mouthpieces for imperialism. They aren't paying us enough!


What? I want to help you promote the views of the imperialists.

Is there some kind of union already that I don't know about? I'll start paying dues.

I hope the name is catchy though. I was thinking we should call ourselves Leftists Interested in Affirming Revolutionary Situations. I think this new LIARS group will help us get more money out of the Ford Foundation and George Soros. He needs to know that we LIARS mean business! We demand higher wages!

LIARS of the world unite! We have nothing to lose but our chains!


Why will I be banned? Isn't this a place for discussion amongst "Leftists?"

Or is this all just some kind of State Department front group?

I'm not really sure which at this point, but I suppose banning me sorta gives away the game, right?


Quick question:

Does being a member of the RevLeft disinformation team mean you also get to fuck children? Cause I heard somewhere RevLeft is run by pedophiles.

http://www.hickerphoto.com/data/media/65/cute_seal_face_T3558.jpg

Le Libérer
21st June 2011, 22:56
Quick question:

Does being a member of the RevLeft disinformation team mean you also get to fuck children? Cause I heard somewhere RevLeft is run by pedophiles.

Bu Bye troll.

Troof has been banned.

Ocean Seal
21st June 2011, 23:27
Oh my, I now see the error of my ways! Quick guys, lets get NATO to help us FREE the Sudanese people from their evil tyrants!

4 da revolution!!11!

right guys?


Ok let me make something very clear. We do not support a NATO intervention in anyway. That doesn't make Sudan some kind of "paradise" nor does it make it an "anti-imperialist" nation. We do not support Sudan because Bush said it was bad. We do not support imperial violence or Sudanese racial violence. Saying any regime is bad is not coupled with saying a US led government would be better.

You can't just go around saying hurr durr praise the Taliban those glorious anti-imperialists, and psshhh the Janjaweed haven't killed 400,000 in a horrible ethnic genocide. Everyone who heads a third world country and flips of the united states is a glorious anti-capitalist and we need to build more statues to them and out of gold.

We need to understand that imperialism installs necessarily the most backwards regime possible but that we shouldn't support the next best choice.

The truth these mass murders should be executed by people's firing squads. Nuff Said.

Catmatic Leftist
21st June 2011, 23:31
Ok let me make something very clear. We do not support a NATO intervention in anyway. That doesn't make Sudan some kind of "paradise" nor does it make it an "anti-imperialist" nation. We do not support Sudan because Bush said it was bad. We do not support imperial violence or Sudanese racial violence. Saying any regime is bad is not coupled with saying a US led government would be better.

You can't just go around saying hurr durr praise the Taliban those glorious anti-imperialists, and psshhh the Janjaweed haven't killed 400,000 in a horrible ethnic genocide. Everyone who heads a third world country and flips of the united states is a glorious anti-capitalist and we need to build more statues to them and out of gold.

We need to understand that imperialism installs necessarily the most backwards regime possible but that we shouldn't support the next best choice.

The truth these mass murders should be executed by people's firing squads. Nuff Said.

Psst. He's a troll. Don't feed him. He's likely to come back with a sockpuppet for more because he knows he can get some people riled up.

NoOneIsIllegal
22nd June 2011, 17:40
Cause I heard from Maoist Rebel News RevLeft is run by pedophiles.
Fixed. Just another lackey from that cult, probably. What is it at now, 5 people watching his videos?