MARXISM AND CAPITALISM THE SAME!!!!

[Mad Dinero]

Let me explain! Under capitalism it is said you are the servant of a capitalist (over-achiever in society) and its so-called bad! However, Marxism is the same type of slavery but in a different way. Under Marxism you are a slave of the collective and told what to do and not in the name of the "collective". Marxists teach that individualism doesn't exist since it is against collective and unity thought. In other words you are not the end of yourself but a piece or a tool of the "collective puzzle". You're an indentured servant of your fellow man and community! That is what Marxism is all about! I have always viewed Marxism as an opium of the poor, a dead idea from the industrial revolution. Where's the Soviet Union? Dead! Cuba? Dead once Fidel dies! China? Quasi-capitalist! Marxism is a way of thinking of people who have a fetish with their fellow man. I suggest you read Ayn Rand and start to respect yourself instead of allowing yourself to be a sodomy toy (I mean tool) of your fellow man.

[Pete]

You, sir, did not explain how Marxism is the same as capitalism, but how "Red Capitalist" nations like China exist.

Cuba is a land of diversity, and hardly a land of submission...but Cuba is not Marxism.

Marxism leads to the freeing of the individual from the herd of the Capitalist Collective (called CONSUMERS).

[Mad Dinero]

Once again: Capitalism=Slave of a capitalist Marxism= Slave of society. In others they are both the same since you are a slave in some way or fashion under each system. EMBRACE THE INDIVIDAUL FUCK THE COLLECTIVE. You are the captain of your own ship in life!!!!

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by Mad [email protected] 10 2003, 02:16 AM
Let me explain! Under capitalism it is said you are the servant of a capitalist (over-achiever in society) and its so-called bad! However, Marxism is the same type of slavery but in a different way. Under Marxism you are a slave of the collective and told what to do and not in the name of the "collective". Marxists teach that individualism doesn't exist since it is against collective and unity thought. In other words you are not the end of yourself but a piece or a tool of the "collective puzzle". You're an indentured servant of your fellow man and community! That is what Marxism is all about! I have always viewed Marxism as an opium of the poor, a dead idea from the industrial revolution. Where's the Soviet Union? Dead! Cuba? Dead once Fidel dies! China? Quasi-capitalist! Marxism is a way of thinking of people who have a fetish with their fellow man. I suggest you read Ayn Rand and start to respect yourself instead of allowing yourself to be a sodomy toy (I mean tool) of your fellow man.
It's impossible to be a "slave of the collective", especially because by that same point of view you also enslave the rest of the society, which would mean that you are a slave and a slave-owner at the same time, but without a hierarchy. Weird.

Oh, and what do you propose instead? We know Marxism is already oudated but new tendencies came out from that line of thought. So, what would be the type of society you want?

And btw, i think you confuse marxism and socialism...

[Mad Dinero]

Once again: Capitalism=Slave of a capitalist ; Marxism= Slave of society. In others they are both the same since you are a slave in some way or fashion under each system. EMBRACE THE INDIVIDUAL FUCK THE COLLECTIVE. You are the captain of your own ship in life!!!!

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by Mad [email protected] 10 2003, 02:50 AM
EMBRACE THE INDIVIDAUL FUCK THE COLLECTIVE. You are the captain of your own ship in life!!!!
If everyone would think that way the human race would have already dissapeared.

And you can't completely control your life, there's always a boss/state/enemy/law/compromise that limits your power, and if nothing would put limits on it, everything would be an absolute chaos.

[Mad Dinero]

To answer your question I want a world free of worthless religion but still have a system of liberal capitalism. I bet if capitalism was "all inclusive" and everyone had the right to be something in it than it will the best system even more and there would be no need for Marxism.

PS I'm an athiest Republican

[Rastafari]

interesting, but by your definition, more people would be slaves in a marxist world. interesting, but wrong.

[Mad Dinero]

Originally posted by El Infiltr(A)[email protected] 10 2003, 02:58 AM

And you can't completely control your life, there's always a boss/state/enemy/law/compromise that limits your power, and if nothing would put limits on it, everything would be an absolute chaos.
People who are self-efficient really don't need government. Only the lesser of us need it! Mostly social services if you know what i mean! Also what I meant was that you shouldn't give a damn to social conditioning instead try to live and think how you wish.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by Mad [email protected] 10 2003, 03:01 AM
To answer your question I want a world free of worthless religion but still have a system of liberal capitalism. I bet if capitalism was "all inclusive" and everyone had the right to be something in it than it will the best system even more and there would be no need for Marxism.

PS I'm an athiest Republican
"All inclusive"? On such a system like capitalism, that's impossible. The only way for it to keep "working" is by having poor people. You need to have a huge quantity of wealth in the society for such "inclusive" capitalism to happen, and that's impossible (without destroying the environment or having more money than what it represents).
There will still be huge differences between the lazy rich son of a businessman and the poor idiot born on a poor family who works all the day to get a few pennies. That's unfair.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by Mad [email protected] 10 2003, 03:04 AM
Also what I meant was that you shouldn't give a damn to social conditioning instead try to live and think how you wish.
Only rich people can "live and think as they wish" then

[Mad Dinero]

Originally posted by El Infiltr(A)[email protected] 10 2003, 03:20 AM

There will still be huge differences between the lazy rich son of a businessman and the poor idiot born on a poor family who works all the day to get a few pennies. That's unfair.
In the last 20,000 years of human history has there been "fairness"? NO! Fairness in the eyes of nature and the material world never existed and probably can't! Maybe we should look for fairness in space? Maybe Mars?

[Mad Dinero]

Originally posted by El Infiltr(A)[email protected] 10 2003, 03:22 AM
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Only rich people can "live and think as they wish" then
I'm not rich.......yet. However, I do what I want all the time although sometimes I have to pay fines in order to do it. If you want to be rich major in Finance. I read in Money magazine that 80% of the people who get a BA in Finance become millionaires in their lifetime. Finance teaches how to make lots of money on the side without having to own a business. That is why I'm majoring in it and have learned alot of shit too. Just bought a new 350z last week! :D

[Pete]

You read in Money Magazine eh? Well then you sure are thinking for yourself there.

You also provide no proof but trust in your own truth for your arguements. Prove it.

[Mad Dinero]

Prove what? A picture of my car!

[Mad Dinero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 05:58 AM
You read in Money Magazine eh? Well then you sure are thinking for yourself there.

You also provide no proof but trust in your own truth for your arguements. Prove it.
What's wrong with getting another person's opinion in a magazine. Don't you have a Marx blow up doll to simulate you giving him a blowjob. You love Marx soooo much and probably jerk-off at his quotes and life. You are his *****!!! You tool fuck idols, loser!

[(*]

Originally posted by Mad [email protected] 10 2003, 02:18 AM
Don't you have a Marx blow up doll to simulate you giving him a blowjob.


Don't you have a Bush blow-up doll to give a blowjob too.

Wait! Here ya go. Sadly, it is not a blow-up...

[Mad Dinero]

Who says I like Bush?

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by Mad [email protected] 10 2003, 06:38 AM
Who says I like Bush?
You did.

http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?a...=ST&f=8&t=18006 (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=18006)

[redstar2000]

I suggest you read Ayn Rand and start to respect yourself...

Contradictory advice; no one with any self-respect would read that loony cultist charlatan...and lousy writer.

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas

[Mazzen]

Totalitarian, you busted his fuckin' ass! I thought that was bloody histerical.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by Mad [email protected] 10 2003, 03:23 AM
In the last 20,000 years of human history has there been "fairness"? NO! Fairness in the eyes of nature and the material world never existed and probably can't! Maybe we should look for fairness in space? Maybe Mars?
We are fighting for fairness, but the only problem are idiots like you that get in our way because they want to buy a better home-theater than the one they have now.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by Mad [email protected] 10 2003, 02:50 AM
Once again: Capitalism=Slave of a capitalist Marxism= Slave of society. In others they are both the same since you are a slave in some way or fashion under each system. EMBRACE THE INDIVIDAUL FUCK THE COLLECTIVE. You are the captain of your own ship in life!!!!
And should that ship you captain be a pirate ship that destorys and loots other ships so be it right?

Captain of your own ship my ass, everyone is influenced and dependent on everyone else.