Underground Hip Hop [Archive]

Dimitri Molotov

21st June 2011, 02:01

I absolutely love Immortal Technique, He is one of my favorite rappers because of what he writes about and personally I think one of the best musically.

Add Sherman Austin to that list, he is an Anarchist rapper who went to prison for releasing files from the pentagon or something to the public, then a bunch of the members from Rage Against The Machine tried to protest his prison sentence, but I think he is out now and he is really good. I can look up the reason he went to prison if you want but that is off the top of my head of what I can remember.

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Dimitri Molotov

21st June 2011, 02:03

Oh my gods, how do you post a youtube video on here? I can't figure it out for the life of me. . .

OhYesIdid

21st June 2011, 02:28

on 'go advanced' there's a button specifically for that. see: hNmJuKQsuI8

Dimitri Molotov

21st June 2011, 02:30

THANK YOU COMRADE! I have been trying to figure this out for ages! :D

Dimitri Molotov

21st June 2011, 02:33

on 'go advanced' there's a button specifically for that. see: hNmJuKQsuI8

Wait do I insert the embed code thing or the url? I'm sorry I keep bothering you, haha. :P

Spawn of Stalin

21st June 2011, 02:36

Deep Puddle Dynamics
Killah Priest
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Aesop Rock
People Under The Stairs
Ill Green
Blaq Poet
Talib Kweli
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9th Prince

I like Immortal Technique and I think I might have mentioned this before in another topic but I really feel like he's talking down to me and is a bit heavy handed on the political side of things, it gets boring to me.

Spawn of Stalin

21st June 2011, 02:38

Wait do I insert the embed code thing or the url? I'm sorry I keep bothering you, haha. :P
Just the letters and numbers after the = in the url. So if you want to embed the Scooby-Doo theme song, look at the url and copy the bold http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_C2HJvtRDY

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Dimitri Molotov

21st June 2011, 02:44

Thank you so much! :D

Spawn of Stalin

21st June 2011, 02:48

Is RA The Rugged Man considered underground these days? What about Company Flow? I never hear anybody talking about these so I guess add those to the list

L.A.P.

21st June 2011, 03:21

The thing is I liked Immortal Technique before I was a Communist. I don't get why people criticize him for "lame beats" and "bad flow", they obviously don't understand battle rap at all and that's his style. It just proves my point that no "hip-hop head" on this forum really understands hip-hop if they view IT's raw battle rap style as bad beats and overall boring music. They pay way to much attention to what sounds catchy hence why they like Wacka Flocka Flame and Gucci Mane, two rappers' whose only quality are over-produced beats that sound slightly catchy. But honestly, even their beats suck. Of course the guy talks down to you, because that's what you do in a battle rap and his whole career is founded on his skill in battle rap competitions. I guess it's because I still enjoy the roots of hip-hop.

∞

21st June 2011, 04:15

I used to really like JMT, but Vinnie Paz's homophobic lyrics angered me too much to listen to him any longer.

Thats unnatural like love between faggots-Vinny Paz

Os Cangaceiros

21st June 2011, 04:27

Is RA The Rugged Man considered underground these days? What about Company Flow? I never hear anybody talking about these so I guess add those to the list

RA The Rugged Man made a kinda amusing film called Bad Biology w/ Frank Henenlotter. That's the only reason I know him.

Also, is this like the 1,000th thread on underground (or "revolutionary") hip-hop? Why are people so obsessed with it lol

Dimitri Molotov

21st June 2011, 05:46

RA The Rugged Man made a kinda amusing film called Bad Biology w/ Frank Henenlotter. That's the only reason I know him.

Also, is this like the 1,000th thread on underground (or "revolutionary") hip-hop? Why are people so obsessed with it lol

lol I am assuming because hip-hop is a very popular genre of music throughout the world and revolutionary topics are very popular on Revleft where all of the threads are :p :)

TrotskyTheGreat

21st June 2011, 05:47

apawllo

21st June 2011, 06:41

some videos of tracks off albums that have dropped this year...

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Nothing Human Is Alien

21st June 2011, 13:53

Sherman Austin went to prison because someone posted bomb making plans on his old website RaiseTheFist. He took a plea bargain instead of going to trial.

Nothing Human Is Alien

21st June 2011, 13:56

Nothing Human Is Alien

21st June 2011, 14:16

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tracher999

21st June 2011, 16:07

i love da underground not only the muzik but everiting

Spawn of Stalin

21st June 2011, 16:34

RA The Rugged Man is a vocal supporter of people like John McCain and Salin Palin btw. Not that support of Obama by people like Jay-Z is any better, but let's be clear that he has nothing to do with any "revolutionary" current.
And KRS has voluntarily appeared in Alex Jones documentaries. RA is one of the best underground MCs to grace planet Earth regardless of whether or not he has reactionary political views. Which by the way, most MCs do, considering probably 95% of artists in my record collection are outspoken liberals, I have no issues with listening to a Republican or even thinking that he is just as much of a reasonable person as an Obama supporter like Jay-Z or Nas

L.A.P.

21st June 2011, 18:36

I used to really like JMT, but Vinnie Paz's homophobic lyrics angered me too much to listen to him any longer.

-Vinny Paz

I can tolerate a few "faggots" here and there. Hell I can handle DMX, but that would cross the line for me too.

∞

21st June 2011, 23:25

I can tolerate a few "faggots" here and there. Hell I can handle DMX, but that would cross the line for me too.

I can too but when he says love between "faggots" is unnatural, then I can't tolerate it.

Nothing Human Is Alien

22nd June 2011, 00:26

RA is one of the best underground MCs to grace planet EarthIf that's what you really think then we have wildly different tastes. Not much point in taking it any further.

Personally, I tend not to listen to people who spend their time and energy virulently supporting and promoting the very people who I'm fighting against to survive... especially when their music isn't that good to begin with.

And back to the original point, which was that R.A. the Rugged Man has nothing to do with any sort of "revolutionary" current in hip hop. It seems it was suggested that he did.

apawllo

22nd June 2011, 06:47

r.a. the rugged man gets respect for pushing boundaries, some times at random, and some times for a reason. in the early-mid 90s he was getting thrown out/banned from corporate buildings and clubs for doing some of the stuff he raps about today. for standing up to the industry a lot of rappers respect him today cause he could have easily gone the opposite direction, said fuck it, rapped about whatever they wanted him to, and made tons of money. instead he just pissed industry suits off to no end. as far as his music goes, i think it has it's time and place as with most anything else.

some more videos, all from this year again...

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Delenda Carthago

22nd June 2011, 14:01

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Spawn of Stalin

22nd June 2011, 15:01

If that's what you really think then we have wildly different tastes. Not much point in taking it any further.
Huh? He's pretty widely recognised as a great talent. He was in competition for the top spot with Biggie and Nas during the 90s. In fact Biggie was quoted as saying "I thought I was the illest"

Even his more recent stuff is pretty incredible. near 2 minutes of uninterupted flow
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Personally, I tend not to listen to people who spend their time and energy virulently supporting and promoting the very people who I'm fighting against to survive... especially when their music isn't that good to begin with.
I think that's fair, but like I said, Democrats and Republicans are the same thing. It's near impossible to be a Hip Hop fan without listening to at least a few passionate Obama supporters

And back to the original point, which was that R.A. the Rugged Man has nothing to do with any sort of "revolutionary" current in hip hop. It seems it was suggested that he did.
Where? I'd certainly argue that he is lyrically revolutionary, in fact I'd say all Hip Hop is pretty revolutionary. But politically, no.

Nothing Human Is Alien

22nd June 2011, 16:13

Huh? He's pretty widely recognised as a great talent. He was in competition for the top spot with Biggie and Nas during the 90s. In fact Biggie was quoted as saying "I thought I was the illest"

Yeah, I can read Wikipedia too. I don't think Biggie or Nas are anywhere near being "the best," and they certainly don't have anything to do with underground music. No one I know would put R.A. the Rugged Man anywhere near the top, and even if they did it wouldn't matter to me. I don't think he makes good music.. certainly not good enough for me to listen his promotion of rightwing politics and politicians.

I think that's fair, but like I said, Democrats and Republicans are the same thing. It's near impossible to be a Hip Hop fan without listening to at least a few passionate Obama supporters

IDK... I have hundreds of hip hop albums and none of them contain any promotion of either political party (though I can think of one or two let off shots at the Republicans). They more generally contain criticisms of the entire government and social system. I don't think I would listen to any pro-Obama anthems. If you want to that's up to you.

Where? I'd certainly argue that he is lyrically revolutionary, in fact I'd say all Hip Hop is pretty revolutionary. But politically, no.

Earlier in the thread "underground" was conflated with "revolutionary." Then R.A. the Rugged Man was mentioned.

I don't think "all hip hop" is anywhere near "revolutionary", if you mean it in the same sense as I do. I wouldn't put BG ("Medallion iced up, Rolex bezelled up and my pinky ring is platinum plus") together with masses of workers in the streets yelling "Workers to Power!" Nor would I put him with pro-revolutionary poets, artists, etc.

If you mean that it broke from past musical forms then yea. But even then not always.

apawllo

22nd June 2011, 17:24

when has r.a. the rugged man promoted right wing politics on a track or otherwise?

have a link? i'm curious now...

bailey_187

22nd June 2011, 17:35

Kid Ink is better

Spawn of Stalin

22nd June 2011, 20:41

Yeah, I can read Wikipedia too.
:lol:What are you talking about son? It's just a well known fact that he was in competition with Nas and Biggie. Not the kind of thing a Hip Hop fan, let alone a fan of all three artists need to look up. Frankly I'm offended:laugh:

I don't think Biggie or Nas are anywhere near being "the best,"
I can understand people not thinking they are or were the best, personally I think lyrically it's GZA, Ghostface or KRS. But nowhere near the best? Seriously?

No one I know would put R.A. the Rugged Man anywhere near the top, and even if they did it wouldn't matter to me.
But I'm not talking about you or your friends, I'm talking about people in the New York Hip Hop scene in the early to mid 90s.

IDK... I have hundreds of hip hop albums and none of them contain any promotion of either political party (though I can think of one or two let off shots at the Republicans). They more generally contain criticisms of the entire government and social system. I don't think I would listen to any pro-Obama anthems. If you want to that's up to you.
Well that's fair, I was under the impression that you were of the mindset that it's ok to endorse Democrats but not Republicans. I mean Nas and Rakim are generally thought of as two of the all time greatest, both endorsed Obama on multiple tracks

Earlier in the thread "underground" was conflated with "revolutionary." Then R.A. the Rugged Man was mentioned.
Nah, underground is underground, revolutionary is revolutionary. This is the underground Hip Hop thread.

when has r.a. the rugged man promoted right wing politics on a track or otherwise?

have a link? i'm curious now...
I don't have a link but it is true. He basically endorsed McCain in the election by saying his family had more in common with people like McCain than they do Obama.

Nothing Human Is Alien

22nd June 2011, 20:42

when has r.a. the rugged man promoted right wing politics on a track or otherwise?

have a link? i'm curious now...

Google it.

McCain in the membrane: The Maverick-iest candidate has hip-hop support from R.A. the Rugged Man (http://thephoenix.com/Boston/Music/71250-McCain-in-the-membrane/)

Nothing Human Is Alien

22nd June 2011, 20:51

:lol:What are you talking about son?

"In Ego Trip Vol. 1, Issue 3, the Notorious B.I.G. was quoted as saying, 'I thought I was the illest,' when referring to R.A." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra_the_rugged_man

I can understand people not thinking they are or were the best, personally I think lyrically it's GZA, Ghostface or KRS. But nowhere near the best? Seriously?

Yep, seriously. Not anywhere near the best if you're talking about lyrics, song making ability, battling or rocking a stage.

But I'm not talking about you or your friends, I'm talking about people in the New York Hip Hop scene in the early to mid 90s.

I've been listening to and participating in hip hop for years and I've never heard anyone say that R.A. the Rugged Man was anywhere near being the best. In fact I've rarely heard him mentioned at all, including during my many long talks with a guy who was heavily involved in New York hip hop at exactly that time, still makes his living from it, and is around a number of artists from that period on a regular basis. But like I said, it's all opinion anyway.

Well that's fair, I was under the impression that you were of the mindset that it's ok to endorse Democrats but not Republicans.

Except that I said "Not that support of Obama by people like Jay-Z is any better."

I mean Nas and Rakim are generally thought of as two of the all time greatest, both endorsed Obama on multiple tracks

I don't listen to any of those tracks.

Spawn of Stalin

22nd June 2011, 21:08

"In Ego Trip Vol. 1, Issue 3, the Notorious B.I.G. was quoted as saying, 'I thought I was the illest,' when referring to R.A." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra_the_rugged_man
Well then it's you who has been browsing Wikipedia and not me. I think I read that quote in a XXL article

I've been listening to and participating in hip hop for years and I've never heard anyone say that R.A. the Rugged Man was anywhere near being the best. In fact I've rarely heard him mentioned at all, including during my many long talks with a guy who was heavily involved in New York hip hop at exactly that time, still makes his living from it, and is around a number of artists from that period on a regular basis. But like I said, it's all opinion anyway.
Ok, fair enough, as long as you can respect other opinion's. And when I talk about others I am referring to people like Nas, Biggie, KRS, Rakim, Busta Rhymes, and other classic NY artists who hailed him as a great MC. Opinions are fine and not liking somebody's music is fine, I just have a hard time understanding how people can think he is simply not very talented.

I don't listen to any of those tracks.
Purely out of interest, do you really avoid music based on whether or not it might have a line you don't necessarily agree with? That must be really difficult. The amount of tapes I acquired between 2000 and 2005 is ridiculous, probably a quarter of these have political references I don't like on them. Hearing Rakim shout out Obama on his latest LP made me facepalm a little but I can't say I was really that bothered or offended by it.

black magick hustla

22nd June 2011, 21:14

black magick hustla

22nd June 2011, 21:15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_wKIq7KYZo

Spawn of Stalin

22nd June 2011, 21:39

i like battle rap. a lot of mainstream mexican hip hop still has a lot of that angry battle rap feel. but i fucking hate immortal technique and immortal technique fans. a lot of them are that type of banal politicos that talk you down about che guevara and malcolm x and shit and its not based on any sort of critical thought. i guess i dislike really political music in general, because fans ofreally political music generally are patronizing assholes and muppets
This is basically how I feel about a lot of political Hip Hop and people who listen to it. See, I actually like Immortal Technique for the most part, I just feel like the political aspect is really played out and yeah, basically patronising. Rap about something else!

Edit: Not just Immortal Technique, but to a certain degree people like Sun RA and Dead Prez too

Nothing Human Is Alien

22nd June 2011, 22:08

Purely out of interest, do you really avoid music based on whether or not it might have a line you don't necessarily agree with?It's kind of a bullshit question.

If there was a photographer who was very talented with a camera but only took shots of skinheads and their rallies would you spend time looking at his photos?

You can listen to whatever you want. Personally, I don't want to listen to people praise a warmongering capitalist commander-in-chief. There's too much other good music I can listen to instead.

This is basically how I feel about a lot of political Hip Hop and people who listen to it. See, I actually like Immortal Technique for the most part, I just feel like the political aspect is really played out and yeah, basically patronising. Rap about something else!

Edit: Not just Immortal Technique, but to a certain degree people like Sun RA and Dead Prez too Most "political rappers" talk about all sorts of other things too.

Anyway, if you think the "political aspect" is played out, you must think braggadocio is worn out beyond all imagination since it's about 10000x as frequent.

Spawn of Stalin

22nd June 2011, 23:04

Jesus man it was only a question i was just trying to have a discussion

Nothing Human Is Alien

23rd June 2011, 03:10

Isn't that what we're doing?

apawllo

23rd June 2011, 04:09

http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2011/06/freddie-gibbs-statik-selektah-to-record-lp-in-one-day-xxl-to-document-process-on-ustream/

for those who don't know, freddie gibbs and statik selektah are recording an album in 24 hours together. the recording is being broadcast live on ustream right now...reks just laid down a verse. the album is supposed to be released in 2 days.

Delenda Carthago

23rd June 2011, 15:51

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Nothing Human Is Alien

23rd June 2011, 15:54

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Spawn of Stalin

24th June 2011, 01:29

Isn't that what we're doing?
Yeah bro but I mean I don't think I asked any bullshit question and if I did I didn't intend it to be.

Whatever, if I got you misunderstood then I apologise

Delenda Carthago

24th June 2011, 13:04

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Delenda Carthago

24th June 2011, 13:20

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apawllo

24th June 2011, 21:52

http://dubmd.bandcamp.com/album/blvck-red-blvck

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Tomhet

24th June 2011, 22:20

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Madvillain..

Stranger Than Paradise

24th June 2011, 22:30

Hieroglyphics
Deltron 3030
Dr. Octagon
Dalek
MF DOOM
Madvillain..

Madvillainy by Doom and Mad Lib is really good.

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teflon_john

24th June 2011, 22:39

Plies >
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Pusha T >

Spawn of Stalin

24th June 2011, 23:28

Any producer technology people like me might be interested to know that the beats on Madvillainy were made using nothing but a Fisher Price turntable and Boss SP202, which is a sampler that has no sequencer, meaning everything had to be tapped out on the pads live and looped live. Amazing, well, it is to nerds like me

Here's a picture of the "studio" Madlib used to make the album
http://www.stonesthrow.com/photos/madvillainy/nohotlinkplease-01.jpg