Jewish Supremacist movement targeting Communists

[Totalitarian]

This is from the webiste of a Jewish supremacist movement (Chabad-lubavitcher) which has a lot of power in the United States. They want all the world to obey a set of religious laws called the Noahide laws.

In 1991, the "Education Day USA" bill was passed by the US Congress which endorsed these laws (they are based on the talmud, an ancient book written by jewish rabbis).

Their head rabbi (now deceased) is called Menachim Mendel Schneerson, he was a racist who believed that jews by blood were a superior species! Nevertheless, he was awarded the Congressional Gold Medal upon his death and has been offficially praised by Presidents Bush I, Clinton and Bush II!

The main enemies of these supremacists is the international Communist movement.

http://www.noahide.com/finalwar.htm


Judaism has always been a conquering religion, not for the purpose of converting gentiles to become Jews, but rather with the mission of returning the world to the universal covenant between G-d and Noah.

And as the Lubavitcher Rebbe has explained, by transforming the gentiles we can quickly create a vast army of supporters who will help us reveal Moshiach and bring all Jews back to the Torah. Specifically, the Rebbe has emphasized that the "peace process" in Israel will be defeated only through our influence on the gentiles--especially through the campaign to teach the Noachide Laws (see Sichos in English, vol. 16, [19 Kislev 5743]).

Our most pressing task, to put it simply, is to launch an international Noachide revolution without delay. The process has already begun, with dozens of tiny Noachide communities having appeared throughout the United States, generally composed of former Christians who have abandoned that religion. The task of organizing the revolution can be divided into two broad stages:

I) We must first create a new Noachide society as an international network of communities and organizations functioning inside, but separately from, the surrounding society (based on halachic requirements and directives, Noachide institutions function quite differently from their Christian and secular counterparts).

This starts with an aggressive outreach program, by Jews and Noachides alike, to teach gentiles about their responsibilities according to Torah.

Simultaneously, we must organize functioning programs and institutions that are prepared to absorb these vast numbers of ex-Christians and immediately involve them in efforts to bring Moshiach. The Noachide communities require schools for their children, modeled after the Jewish yeshiva programs; Torah study groups geared for their specific needs; coordinated celebrations of appropriate Torah holidays; family services for marriage, support for the elderly, and burial; courts of justice, led by rabbinically trained righteous judges, which will function similarly to Jewish batei dinim; and tzedaka programs to assist the needy, to build new Noachide schools, and to support Jewish settlements in Israel and synagogues throughout the diaspora.

2) In the second stage, the growing Noachide movement will seize political power--using only peaceful, lawful means--in the capitals of the Western nations. This, of course, will not take place until the Noachide society has grown to some threshold size. We do not know how large this needs to be nor which nations will join the revolution first, although the United States, as a fairly religious, conservative nation, certainly tops the list of prospects.

Upon seizing the reins of government, the new Noachide leaders will move quickly to implement a full agenda of reform. All economic and technological aid to the Communist Bloc, including the PLO, will be terminated immediately. Full support will be given to Israeli forces to reinvade PLO-controlled areas, with military assistance offered where necessary. Jewish courts (the batei dini of the rabbis) will be granted full legal sovereignty over Jewish citizens within each country, who will no longer be subject to the authority of gentile courts. The pre-existing Noachide judges and courts will replace the existing court system of each country, and the legal code will be drastically rewritten to conform to halacha; in the United States, the emphasis will be on restoring the authority of the Constitution and abolishing all unconstitutional government programs and agencies. The national debt will be foreclosed, probably by paying off creditors with government land holdings, thus averting economic disaster. And law and order will be fully restored through the establishment of internal security measures, again in accordance with Torah law.

Almost as soon as aid to the Communist Bloc stops, the international Communist revolution will plunge headlong into crisis. The captive peoples, seeing their liberation at hand, will genuinely rise up to throw their brutal dictators out of power, and the armies of Gog and Magog--ranging from the Soviet Communists to the PLO--will self-destruct before the eyes of the entire world.


Find out more in the links below...once they gain power, they want to ban all non-jewish religious celebration (including christmas, easter, halloween) using the death penalty!

http://www.public-action.com/christmas.html
http://www.noahide.com/xmas.htm

[Rastafari]

we should put them and the white supremacists in a room together. With the means to kill each other.


Its all politics, thats why they are so powerful...

[Loknar]

These people are living in a fantasy world. I hate supremacists.





And the Jews were never converters, when they entered Cannan they killed entire tribes (but they deserved it). Besides, the Jews are no longer Gods people, it was proven when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem.

[El Brujo]

Jewish supremacists ARE white supremacists, only with the power structure extended to Jews. Don't forget, Israhell was a strong ally of apartheid South Africa.

[Rastafari]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2003, 07:23 PM
These people are living in a fantasy world. I hate supremacists.





And the Jews were never converters, when they entered Cannan they killed entire tribes (but they deserved it). Besides, the Jews are no longer Gods people, it was proven when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem.
mayhaps the whole idea of "God's Peoples" is foolish on several premises

[Dhul Fiqar]

Zionists are the devil's playthings.

--- G.

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by El [email protected] 9 2003, 11:24 PM
Jewish supremacists ARE white supremacists, only with the power structure extended to Jews. Don't forget, Israhell was a strony ally of apartheid South Africa.
I disagree, actually. The idea of jewish supremacism is that jews and ONLY jews are "God's chosen"...the rest of humanity (including whites) are simply goyim, cattle to be enslaved. It is a parasitic ideology.

[El Brujo]

Originally posted by Totalitarian+Oct 10 2003, 08:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Totalitarian @ Oct 10 2003, 08:23 AM)
El [email protected] 9 2003, 11:24 PM
Jewish supremacists ARE white supremacists, only with the power structure extended to Jews. Don&#39;t forget, Israhell was a strony ally of apartheid South Africa.
I disagree, actually. The idea of jewish supremacism is that jews and ONLY jews are "God&#39;s chosen"...the rest of humanity (including whites) are simply goyim, cattle to be enslaved. It is a parasitic ideology. [/b]
I suppose it depends on the ethnic/religious centricity of the individual Zionist. But Zionists have a history of cooperation with white supremacy. Not neo-Nazis (who are ironically pro-Palestinian) but western imperialist white supremacy. The state of Israel would have never been created if it were not enforced by the British empire which had conrtol over Palestine after WW2, and it has always contributed to post-colonial western dominance over the Middle East and Africa.

I personally consider Jews to be white (and if they aren&#39;t, they are definitely the most similar race), so I see zionism as a form of white supremacy.

[El Brujo]

Originally posted by Dhul [email protected] 10 2003, 08:02 AM
Zionists are the devil&#39;s playthings.

--- G.
http://www.halturnershow.com/IsraliAtrocities.html (http://www.halturnershow.com/IsraeliAtrocities.html)

Self-explanatory.

:angry: :angry: :angry:

[Loknar]

Originally posted by Dhul [email protected] 10 2003, 12:02 AM
Zionists are the devil&#39;s playthings.

--- G.
Explain.

[truthaddict11]

one group I truly dislike is the Anti Defamation League. They say they are against speech against Jews but what they really are just against speach against Israel, they supported aparthied in South Africa as well as in Palestine. They call anyone who says anything bad against Israel an anti-semite even if they are Jewish&#33;

[Pete]

Originally posted by Loknar+Oct 9 2003, 08:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Loknar @ Oct 9 2003, 08:15 PM)
Dhul [email protected] 10 2003, 12:02 AM
Zionists are the devil&#39;s playthings.

--- G.
Explain. [/b]
Zionists are Jewish supremists who quote the passage in the bible where God gives all of the Kingdom of David to all of Abraham&#39;s descendants who will be as many as the stars in the sky. This means that that land is for Jews alone, although it could probaly be argued that Christians and Muslims, also being &#39;descendants of Abraham&#39; (ie People of the Book) also get claim to that land. Its confusing and based in a story that was written to justify David&#39;s conquering and subjacation of all of that land.

That is, atleast, my interpretation, because I do not believe that the covenant was with Noah, but with Abraham although you&#39;d think the Rabah would know his shit when it comes to his Hebrew Bible eh?

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by El [email protected] 10 2003, 12:44 AM
[QUOTE=El Brujo,Oct 9 2003, 11:24 PM]
I suppose it depends on the ethnic/religious centricity of the individual Zionist. But Zionists have a history of cooperation with white supremacy. Not neo-Nazis (who are ironically pro-Palestinian) but western imperialist white supremacy. The state of Israel would have never been created if it were not enforced by the British empire which had conrtol over Palestine after WW2, and it has always contributed to post-colonial western dominance over the Middle East and Africa.

I personally consider Jews to be white (and if they aren&#39;t, they are definitely the most similar race), so I see zionism as a form of white supremacy.
It is true that British imperialists did cooperate with Zionists by handing over a chunk of Palestine to them. I think many of them did that for similar reasons to why Hitler made deals with Zionists before and even during the war.

Balfour, the man behind the Balfour declaration (which promised the Zionists a homeland in Palestine) was actually a strong critic of Jewish immigration to Britain and hoped that if he gave them a homeland, most of them would leave Britain or at least stop coming there.

The whole thing became too much for the Brits eventually; the Zionists fought a terrorist war against them and they eventually handed control of the situation over to the United Nations.

Most Nazis are pro palestinian or at least have more sympathies towards that side, however there are some white nationalists who want to send all the jews to israel and so they are pro-zionist in that respect.

Jews are actually a mixed type, they have some European ancestry but are of mainly Semitic origins, which is one of the reasons Nazis don&#39;t like them.

http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 02:39 AM
Zionists are Jewish supremists who quote the passage in the bible where God gives all of the Kingdom of David to all of Abraham&#39;s descendants who will be as many as the stars in the sky. This means that that land is for Jews alone, although it could probaly be argued that Christians and Muslims, also being &#39;descendants of Abraham&#39; (ie People of the Book) also get claim to that land. Its confusing and based in a story that was written to justify David&#39;s conquering and subjacation of all of that land.

That is, atleast, my interpretation, because I do not believe that the covenant was with Noah, but with Abraham although you&#39;d think the Rabah would know his shit when it comes to his Hebrew Bible eh?
The land is not for Jews alone, the land was for people who follow God. The descendants of Abraham also include the Arabs, both the Jews and Arabs are Semitic peoples (Go figure, the Germans hated Jews but loved Arabs). And David conquered it&#39;s no big deal, he even ceded land to other kingdoms at times but conquest has always happened I personally don’t see a dig deal with it.

I agree the Bible shouldn’t be used as a justification fore Israel’s existence, though history should be used. The truth is Jews have a very long history of oppression since their homeland was desolated by the Romans and many were scattered.

[Dhul Fiqar]

LOL - for the record the Nazis did NOT "love Arabs". In fact Arabs and Jews got along a lot better than jews and christians did right up untill the year 1948.

--- G.

[Pete]

Lonkar, I am saying that the story of Abraham was fabricated to give justification to David&#39;s kingdom, and is now used to give justification to Israel. The "tribes" of abraham are all "brothers" of sorts and allowed to live "peacefully" with eachother. It is all a case of Lincolnian mythological interpretation.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by Dhul [email protected] 10 2003, 05:09 PM
LOL - for the record the Nazis did NOT "love Arabs". In fact Arabs and Jews got along a lot better than jews and christians did right up untill the year 1948.

--- G.
The Nazis and Arabs got along well. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem toured the concentration camps and was very impressed with the SS and their dedication to sending Jews into the gas chambers. The Grand Mufti also helped raise an SS division of Bosnian or Albanian Muslims which was responsible for killing many Jews. Himmler even opened up a school for Islamic studies in I believe Dresden.


And Arafat happens to be a nephew of the Grand Mufti, the Grand Mufti was so proud of his nephew he saw Arafat as his son.

[Dhul Fiqar]

Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini was indeed a fervent anti-Zionist from the early days of Zionist "colonization" of his land. He was jailed by the British during their campaign to wipe out Islam. His experience with the Imperial powers lead him to rightly conclude the only possibly ally he had in all of Europe was Nazi Germany - of course this was a fatal mistake that cost him much of his legitimacy in the future.

--- G.

[El Brujo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 05:05 PM
Jews are actually a mixed type, they have some European ancestry but are of mainly Semitic origins, which is one of the reasons Nazis don&#39;t like them.

http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html
Your right. But in Israel, Jews of European origin discriminate against other Jews and Semites. The Amhara, for instance (an Ethiopian semitic people) are racially profiled and treated as second-class citizens. Not to mention the Arab semites, some of which adhere to the Jewish religion.

[El Brujo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 02:46 AM
The Nazis and Arabs got along well. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem toured the concentration camps and was very impressed with the SS and their dedication to sending Jews into the gas chambers. The Grand Mufti also helped raise an SS division of Bosnian or Albanian Muslims which was responsible for killing many Jews. Himmler even opened up a school for Islamic studies in I believe Dresden.


And Arafat happens to be a nephew of the Grand Mufti, the Grand Mufti was so proud of his nephew he saw Arafat as his son.
The Nazis did not hold Arabs in high regard at all. The only reason the Middle East had ties to Nazi Germany was because anti-British sentiment was at an all time high in that region and Britain would lose its empire if they lost the war. The same reason many South-East Asians supported the Japanese and went along with their alledged "Asia for the Asians" program (most-notibly, the Indian nationalist Subhas Chandra Bose who led a pro-Axis Indian army faction and fought on the side of the Japanese in Singapore). Even Ghandi had a favourable opinion of Hitler for a period. But guess what, the Japanese considered South-East Asians an inferior people. Those alliances were not a matter of politics or racial preference at all, they were simply a matter of common sense: during times of war, an enemy of an enemy is your friend.

[Dhul Fiqar]

Brujo beat me to it - I edited my post after I reread the Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini stuff - but basically it all comes down to anti-Imperialist and anti-British sentiment.

Wanna know WHY??



"We must put an end to anything which brings about any Islamic unity between the sons of the Muslims. As we have already succeeded in finishing off the Khilafah, so we must ensure that there will never arise again unity for the Muslims, whether it be intellectual or cultural unity"

"The situation now is that Turkey is dead and will never rise again, because we have destroyed it&#39;s moral strength, the Khilafah and Islam"

- Lord Curzon, British Foreign Minister, infront of the House of Commons after the Lausanne Treaty of July 24th 1924.



Nice guys, huh?

--- G.

[Dhul Fiqar]

Who was the Nazi again?? ;)


"I do not understand this sqeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poison gas against uncivilised tribes." - Winston Churchill, 19 February, 1920, before the start of the Arab uprising

Ahh, yeah.

To be honest - I would ally myself with the Devil himself if he offered to help me fight against people with this kind of thinking - hellbent on destroying my culture and poisoning my people with gas because of their "inherant inferiority".

--- G.

[Totalitarian]

And whatever doubts I may still have nourished were finally dispelled by the attitude of a portion of the Jews themselves. Among them there was a great movement, quite extensive in Vienna, which came out sharply in confirmation of the national character of the Jews: this was the Zionists.

It looked, to be sure, as though only a part of the Jews approved this viewpoint, while the majority condemned and inwardly rejected such a formulation. But... the so-called liberal Jews did not reject the Zionists as non-Jews, but only as Jews with an impractical, perhaps even dangerous, way of publicly avowing their Jewishness.

- Adolf Hitler, &#39;Mein Kampf&#39;
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/ch07.htm

[Dhul Fiqar]

LOL - it is not exactly shocking that the Führer would be on record voicing anti-jewish sentiments - is it? ;)

--- G.

[Totalitarian]

What&#39;s interesting is that he says the zionist movement is what confirmed in his mind that the jews were not really german.

[Scalawag]

I am not anti - Semetic. However, I do believe there is a group of evil doers plotting against mankind. This group is composed of Jews and Gentiles. They have literally "sold thier soul". They are in favor of:

1. NAFTA

2. Israel

3. One World Government

4. G.W. Bush&#39;s vision of the future. (THe same thing as One World Government.)

5. The US spending millions on defense but none on education, jobs, or self defense.
(We are spending alot on crime because prisons is a big business in America. That&#39;s must be changed.)
I say let&#39;s just turn the military into a national police force. That will scare people into being good citizens.
The USA is encouraging Crime. Why not? They are making money on it.
It&#39;s all based on making money off of blacks and latinos in prison. It&#39;s a very racist policy.


We need to be preventing crime. Let&#39;s use some of those high tech
weapons to scare people into obeying the law. We will scare everybody (white, black, brown) into being good citizens. Why not? China does it? Who commits crimes in China or Malaysia? You might say I&#39;m a racist. No not really. My polices will keep the prison population down. There will be fewer people of any race in prison. It might be cruel. But everyone will benefit in the long run.

6. America giving out tons of foriegn aid when we only have enough resources for ourselves. (I don&#39;t want to hurt anyone&#39;s feelings. However, the US cannot take care of the whole world. However, if you want to immigrate to the USA then your welcome to federal aid.) We just don&#39;t have enough resources for the whole world. If the rest of the world wants to change then they need to rid themselves of corruption. Maybe the Asian countries can help each other. Maybe the African countries can help each other. However, people need to stay in thier part of the world.

They are against:

1. Nations defending themselves without outside help.

2. Allowing nations to choose to thier own form of government.

The "evildoers" are living in "fantasy land". I believe in being realistic. My plans for the world are practical and realistic.

[Scalawag]

I don&#39;t wan&#39;t to be confused with the KKK. http://www.kkk.org They favor isolationism. However, they are mean spirited. They don&#39;t give a fuck about the third world. I really care about the third world. For example, I don&#39;t mind immigrants coming to the USA. I also don&#39;t like white nationalism. Unfortunately, alot of anti- one worlders are also bigots.

[Totalitarian]

Scalawag, you sound like an open minded kind of guy.

You might be interested in reading this link. It outlines the worldview of this Jew-gentile coalition, and their plans to rule the world from Jerusalem (it&#39;s all tied in with Jewish Messianic prophecy).

http://www.noahide.com/finalwar.htm

They want to enforce a caste system on humanity, based on one law for gentiles and another for Jews. (Both groups would be subservient to the ruling Rabbis)
http://www.noahide.com/son.htm

The laws for gentiles are known as the "Seven Noahide Laws" which were signed into US law by President Bush I in 1991
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c102....J.RES.104.ENR: (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c102:H.J.RES.104.ENR:)

[BuyOurEverything]

1. NAFTA

2. Israel

3. One World Government

4. G.W. Bush&#39;s vision of the future. (THe same thing as One World Government.)

5. The US spending millions on defense but none on education, jobs, or self defense.


I&#39;m strongly against NAFTA, Bush and his visions and the huge defence budget but I support Israel&#39;s right to exist (as much as I support any other country&#39;s) and I definately support one world government. I can&#39;t say I&#39;ve ever heard any Bush supporter say they want a world government, they even hate the UN and they almost entirely own it&#33;

[Hawker]

Damn Zionists&#33; The Jews were like this even way before they entered Canaan.They were made up of mostly blood thirst mercenaries from the North and came to Canaan and murdered the entire inhabitants of the area.You see this is why you never give the Jews their own country,not like I&#39;m being racist or anything but they have a long history of attrocities and cruelty.Just like the Germans heck most of those guys are cold hearted.

[El Brujo]

I agree with most of what Scalawag says, in a dilluted sort of way. I believe that the first step to eliminating capitalism is eliminating imperialism as a capitalist powerhowse would be a establishment without a foundation if it could not exploit under-developed nations for their raw materials. Capitalist powerhouses will never aid underdeveloped nations unless they can get something out of it that is more than what they are giving, so ulitmately, foreign aid is counter-productive to the third world.

A good approach to take at this moment would be self-sufficient nations mutually supported by region (pan-Latin American, pan-African, pan-Arab, etc.) and eventually coming together to create a stateless world once capitalism fails in first world countries and the general population of the world is enlightened enougph to rule themselves.

As for Israel, it lost a chance at peaceful co-existence with the Arab/Islamic world the very day of its enforced creation by the British empire and that possibility has only become more bleak as years go by. The only solution, apart from its destruction, would be to isolate it from surroundiong countries until tensions cool down (after it is defeated, disarmed and pushed back to a decent ammount of territory, of course).

[flayer2]

I agree that Zionism is a form of white supremacy with some complications. So far the most devasting blow against zionism was at the world conference on racism where it was declared "Zionism is racism". With the US pullout from the conference the world got to see the great hyprocrisy with American liberals on this subject what with many liberals being Zionist themselves , and the rest afraid of being accused of antisemitism.

[Pro-MyIdeals]

have any of you guys ever been to israel?

[Zombie]

what about it PMI?

[Pro-MyIdeals]

i was just wondering if anyone has seen woth their own eyes what has happened there

[(*]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 10:09 PM
i was just wondering if anyone has seen woth their own eyes what has happened there
In Israel, or in Gaza and the West Bank?

[Pro-MyIdeals]

Originally posted by (*+Oct 31 2003, 02:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ((* @ Oct 31 2003, 02:28 AM)
[email protected] 30 2003, 10:09 PM
i was just wondering if anyone has seen woth their own eyes what has happened there
In Israel, or in Gaza and the West Bank? [/b]
either

[(*]

Originally posted by Pro-MyIdeals+Oct 30 2003, 10:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pro-MyIdeals @ Oct 30 2003, 10:31 PM)
Originally posted by (*@Oct 31 2003, 02:28 AM

[email protected] 30 2003, 10:09 PM
i was just wondering if anyone has seen woth their own eyes what has happened there
In Israel, or in Gaza and the West Bank?
either [/b]
indiscriminate bloodshed

[Tevya The Dairyman]

You know, for having a jewish colture (not faith, I&#39;m not religious...), you can&#39;t talk about jewdaism in one body. There are many types of jews, like there ere christians... Some religious, some racists, some even really think of conquering the world, but most of us are a confused working class, who mostly find his answers in socialism.
I hate zionism, I hate the jewish religioun as I hate any other religioun, but I am a socialist, an I know you can&#39;t attack the jewish working class for the doing of the Israel&#39;s governments, and the jewish religioun...

[Tevya The Dairyman]

By the way, as a resident of Israel, I would like to answer fully on your questions, so ask as you want&#33; ;)

[(*]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 07:19 PM
I agree that Zionism is a form of white supremacy with some complications. So far the most devasting blow against zionism was at the world conference on racism where it was declared "Zionism is racism". With the US pullout from the conference the world got to see the great hyprocrisy with American liberals on this subject what with many liberals being Zionist themselves , and the rest afraid of being accused of antisemitism.
In the 70s the UN passed a resolution that equated Zionism with racism. That was ultimately repealed in 1991.

In fact, George Bush Sr. had this to say at a UN general assembly meeting..


UNGA Resolution 3379, the so-called ``Zionism is racism&#39;&#39; resolution, mocks this pledge and the principles upon which the United Nations was founded. And I call now for its repeal. Zionism is not a policy; it is the idea that led to the creation of a home for the Jewish people, to the State of Israel. And to equate Zionism with the intolerable sin of racism is to twist history and forget the terrible plight of Jews in World War II and, indeed, throughout history. To equate Zionism with racism is to reject Israel itself, a member of good standing of the United Nations.



Full speech (http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/papers/1991/91092301.html)

[Totalitarian]

I don&#39;t think that zionism is a form of racism, although many zionists are racist.

[(*]

It may not have started out that way, but it has evolved into a racist ideology.

zionism was a movement to unite jews and establish a jewish state, that has been completed.
What is the reason behind the existence of zionism today?
Answer: The elimination of the palestinians.

[Tevya The Dairyman]

Many Israeli&#39;s jews, who believes in the conservative parties ideas, are like puppets to those politicians.
Zionism, even before the jewish state was established, was built on principals of economy wealth, so it&#39;s more a brunch of the capitalist system, than a racist look on life.
The reason that IDF is killing Palastines is to maintain Israel&#39;s incoming profits, of the arabic working class.

We must all act to liberate palastine&#39;s working class from the chains of terrorism, and liberate the jewish working class from the cables of the neo-zionist leadership&#33;
tou can read more, about the faillure chance of peace, that will come from Arafat Sharon and Bush, on here:
Coming unstuck - George Bush&#39;s peace plan (http://www.maavak.org.il/maavak/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=103)

[Pro-MyIdeals]

ma nishma, tevya...i believe we can co-exist in israel...however it is the view of many arabs not to do so...they want the removal of all jews from the area...they want to exterminate all jews and make the area a purely muslim state...i think it has to do with a lot of pent up sexual frustrations, which i believe to be the root of a lot of war that goes on in the world

[(*]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2003, 04:56 PM
...they want to exterminate all jews and make the area a purely muslim state...
Like how Jewish immigrants to Palestine exterminated and chased away the muslim and christian inhabitants and created a jewish state.

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2003, 09:56 PM
ma nishma, tevya...i believe we can co-exist in israel...however it is the view of many arabs not to do so...they want the removal of all jews from the area...they want to exterminate all jews and make the area a purely muslim state...i think it has to do with a lot of pent up sexual frustrations, which i believe to be the root of a lot of war that goes on in the world
And there are also many jews who want the gentiles removed from israel and palestine. In fact, they are slowly succeeding in this goal right now.

[Pro-MyIdeals]

not quite...jews were actually expelled from jerusalem completely and not allowed to worship in the city in 1948

[Anti-Fascist]

Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.

I cannot believe that Totalitarian&#39;s anti-Semitic bigotry is being tolerated here.

[suffianr]

Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.

But Anti-Semitism is in itself a meaningless bullshit phrase.

[Anti-Fascist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 09:34 AM

Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.

But Anti-Semitism is in itself a meaningless bullshit phrase.
The Holocaust was a manifestation of anti-Semitism. You consider it as meaningless?

Che-Lives has a greater problem with anti-Semitic racism than I initially thought.

[Tevya The Dairyman]

There isn&#39;t innocents in the intifada. There some jewish people who hate palastines, and sometimes heart them, and there is some palastines who htes jews and sometimes heart them...

Israel&#39;s army, an the Arab terror organization, are killing the other side&#39;s people. The palastines government and Israel&#39;s government, are betraying their citizens 24/7.

So you see, only a connection between the Arab working class, and the Hebrew working class, will bring a true socialist wealth on Israel and Palastine.

[(*]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 03:09 AM
Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.

How do you figure?


Zionism is just an ideology, and today it is a rather extreme ideology.

[BuyOurEverything]

But Anti-Semitism is in itself a meaningless bullshit phrase.

Ya but it&#39;s considered to mean anti-jewish.


Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.

No but I believe that anti-zionism can and often does lead to anti-semitism as the line between zionists and all jews starts to blur in some people&#39;s minds.

[suffianr]

Ya but it&#39;s considered to mean anti-jewish.

Exactly. It&#39;s a very misleading phrase; most people think Anti-Semitism refers to Anti-Jew but in fact Jews aren&#39;t the only "Semites".


The Holocaust was a manifestation of anti-Semitism. You consider it as meaningless?

Che-Lives has a greater problem with anti-Semitic racism than I initially thought.

You&#39;re are quoting me out of context.

My only concern with "Anti-Semitism" is only that I consider it a misleading phrase, my only context there was in the language issue, not in the larger scheme of things i.e. mainfestations like the Holocaust.

So, the Holocaust has nothing to do with this and you are just being a twat. :)

[Tevya The Dairyman]

Anti semitism, is against jews and arabs (if you belive in the idea of races between humans, wich I don&#39;t...).
Anti zionism, is against Israel&#39;s government on the subject of conquering palastines areas, an settling there with jewish population. Myself, I&#39;m againt zionism, but more&#33; I&#39;m against anybody who declare a land to be his. The land on earth was far before all of us, so it&#39;s belongs to no-one&#33;

[BuyOurEverything]

Well now that we&#39;re getting into meaningless semantics, doesn&#39;t zionism just mean you support Israel&#39;s right to exist? Zion=Israel

[Tevya The Dairyman]

That&#39;s right, but what&#39;s done has done, I just think that if the jews already made the mistake to establish a country on land of Israel, than they must not raise conflicts with their Arab neighbours, and must live equally with them.

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 08:09 AM
Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.


I see. By that logic, anti-WhiteNationalism is a form of anti-White bigotry.

Thanks for clarifying.

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 05:47 AM
not quite...jews were actually expelled from jerusalem completely and not allowed to worship in the city in 1948
Please provide a link for this claim. I have never heard it before and i suspect you just made it up.

[REDWARRIOR]

I&#39;m too lazy to read alkl the comment here...but yea that&#39;s fucked. that&#39;s racsist shit. Doesn&#39;t matter who is preaching supremisicst shit it&#39;s racist and should not be tolerate, especially by communist. they will fall like the boulugies scum when we rule the world. Plain and simple
Death to the supremisicist weather we be white, black, asian, christian, jewish or muslim, it will not be tolerated

[Pro-MyIdeals]

Originally posted by Totalitarian+Nov 2 2003, 07:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Totalitarian @ Nov 2 2003, 07:26 PM)
[email protected] 1 2003, 05:47 AM
not quite...jews were actually expelled from jerusalem completely and not allowed to worship in the city in 1948
Please provide a link for this claim. I have never heard it before and i suspect you just made it up. [/b]
1948 jerusalem (http://www.jcpa.org/jl/jerusalem-gms.htm)

[elijahcraig]

Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.

You, Sharon, and David Horowitz believe this. Once again Huzington, you have broken the meter on how stupid a poster can be.

[(*]

Originally posted by Pro-MyIdeals+Nov 2 2003, 07:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pro-MyIdeals @ Nov 2 2003, 07:50 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2003, 07:26 PM

[email protected] 1 2003, 05:47 AM
not quite...jews were actually expelled from jerusalem completely and not allowed to worship in the city in 1948
Please provide a link for this claim. I have never heard it before and i suspect you just made it up.
1948 jerusalem (http://www.jcpa.org/jl/jerusalem-gms.htm) [/b]

This is from the link you provided. I bolded the parts that make your source lose all its credibility.


The Jerusalem Center is an independent, non-profit institute for policy research and education serving Israel, the Middle East, and the Jewish people since 1976. JCPA is headed by Israel&#39;s former UN Ambassador Dr. Dore Gold.

[Pro-MyIdeals]

Originally posted by (*+Nov 2 2003, 11:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ((* @ Nov 2 2003, 11:02 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2003, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2003, 07:26 PM

[email protected] 1 2003, 05:47 AM
not quite...jews were actually expelled from jerusalem completely and not allowed to worship in the city in 1948
Please provide a link for this claim. I have never heard it before and i suspect you just made it up.
1948 jerusalem (http://www.jcpa.org/jl/jerusalem-gms.htm)

This is from the link you provided. I bolded the parts that make your source lose all its credibility.


The Jerusalem Center is an independent, non-profit institute for policy research and education serving Israel, the Middle East, and the Jewish people since 1976. JCPA is headed by Israel&#39;s former UN Ambassador Dr. Dore Gold. [/b]
that doesn&#39;t mean it didn&#39;t happen...do you think a palestinian source would come up with this...i believe no matter what i say or sources i provide, you guys will attepmt to dismantle it and not see it for the truth...you refuse to accept facts

[Pro-MyIdeals]

linky (http://christianactionforisrael.org/straight.html)

another link (http://www.jerusalem-archives.org/period5/5-27.html)

yet another (http://www2b.abc.net.au/news/forum/newsonline3/archives/archive14/newposts/8/topic8218.shtm)

ho hum (http://www.mnemotrix.com/heights/schur10.html)

and this from an arab&#33;&#33;&#33; (notice marx in there?) (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27338)

[Pete]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2003, 04:56 PM
i think it has to do with a lot of pent up sexual frustrations, which i believe to be the root of a lot of war that goes on in the world
That is very... Freudian of you. I doubt much proof is available for this claim? Except, perhaps, Opedius Rex and the story of a king of Scythia in an obscure Dionysus myth?

[Pro-MyIdeals]

Originally posted by CrazyPete+Nov 3 2003, 01:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CrazyPete @ Nov 3 2003, 01:02 AM)
[email protected] 31 2003, 04:56 PM
i think it has to do with a lot of pent up sexual frustrations, which i believe to be the root of a lot of war that goes on in the world
That is very... Freudian of you. I doubt much proof is available for this claim? Except, perhaps, Opedius Rex and the story of a king of Scythia in an obscure Dionysus myth? [/b]
no, your right, there is no proof that i know of...it is my own theory...just think about it, though...after you get laid, do you ever have violent thoughts? do you want to command and conquer? no...you just wanna chiiiiilllll

also, i believe historically that a lot of the biggest war mongers were frustrated homosexuals...they were raised to hate homosexuality and were very angry because they could not accept the fact they were gay and lashed out at others for it...like hitler...he had a chick like eva braun and never did anything with her...i believe as we start to accept homosexuals for the normal human beings they are in this modern world, wars should slow down a bit...and some people really just need to get laid

eh, it&#39;s just a theory, but think about it...

[elijahcraig]

I think sex could have some help, but I doubt an entire country could simultaneously be sexually frustrated.

I think Willie Nelson or Waylon jennings said something like, "If every politician woke up in the morning, jerked off and smoked a joint--there would be no war."

I don&#39;t exactly agree, but its a thought.

[Pro-MyIdeals]

i don&#39;t think whole countries are frustrated, just many leaders...they spend so much time "leading" that they don&#39;t have any time for nookie

[elijahcraig]

I think Clinton, Kennedy, and Roosevelt proved that wrong.

As well as Caligula.

[Pro-MyIdeals]

i think clinton was great...he was so calm...he was everybody&#39;s friend...i enjoyed the clinton years, and i hoped to see it continue in gore until that fucko bush stole the presidency..i hate bush, of the george kind...which roosevelt did you mean?

[(*]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 12:54 AM
linky (http://christianactionforisrael.org/straight.html)

another link (http://www.jerusalem-archives.org/period5/5-27.html)

yet another (http://www2b.abc.net.au/news/forum/newsonline3/archives/archive14/newposts/8/topic8218.shtm)

ho hum (http://www.mnemotrix.com/heights/schur10.html)

and this from an arab&#33;&#33;&#33; (notice marx in there?) (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27338)
Where do I begin...

The first link, from "http://christianactionforisrael.org"
Give me a break.

The second link, "Jerusalem capital of Israel"
Tel Aviv is the capital...the site is obviously biased...
also, the site is dedicated to Rehavam Ze&#39;evi, a right-winger who was pro-settlements, and expelled palestinians from israel

The third link, That&#39;s just a message board

The fourth link, from "Heights Jewish Center Cleveland, Ohio Synagogue Beth Hamidrosh Hagadol "
biased.

The fifth link, he is a columnist, and it&#39;s only opinion...I read some of his other articles, he is a right-winger and a racist.



Please find some credible sources.

[Totalitarian]

Pro-My Ideals:

That&#39;s still almost nothing compared to the ethnic cleansing which happened to palestinians that same year.

[Pro-MyIdeals]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 03:43 AM
Pro-My Ideals:

That&#39;s still almost nothing compared to the ethnic cleansing which happened to palestinians that same year.
not quite...there were always jews there, and when the arabs found out that more jews were coming, they decided to move in and say it was always their land...it is just a fact that muslims cannot stand the existence of jews...it was like this way before 1948

[Pro-MyIdeals]

Originally posted by (*+Nov 3 2003, 02:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ((* @ Nov 3 2003, 02:35 AM)
[email protected] 3 2003, 12:54 AM
linky (http://christianactionforisrael.org/straight.html)

another link (http://www.jerusalem-archives.org/period5/5-27.html)

yet another (http://www2b.abc.net.au/news/forum/newsonline3/archives/archive14/newposts/8/topic8218.shtm)

ho hum (http://www.mnemotrix.com/heights/schur10.html)

and this from an arab&#33;&#33;&#33; (notice marx in there?) (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27338)
Where do I begin...

The first link, from "http://christianactionforisrael.org"
Give me a break.

The second link, "Jerusalem capital of Israel"
Tel Aviv is the capital...the site is obviously biased...
also, the site is dedicated to Rehavam Ze&#39;evi, a right-winger who was pro-settlements, and expelled palestinians from israel

The third link, That&#39;s just a message board

The fourth link, from "Heights Jewish Center Cleveland, Ohio Synagogue Beth Hamidrosh Hagadol "
biased.

The fifth link, he is a columnist, and it&#39;s only opinion...I read some of his other articles, he is a right-winger and a racist.



Please find some credible sources. [/b]
as i&#39;ve said before, you will attempt to discredit any source i use...again, do you think the palestinians like to talk about this? or the jordanians? i said it originally because it is a known fact that it happened...is it possible for so many multiple sources to display the wrong things so many times over an describe it exactly the same?

oh yeah, i forgot that you probably believe that jews control the media and that they always lie to you

[(*]

as i&#39;ve said before, you will attempt to discredit any source i use...again, do you think the palestinians like to talk about this? or the jordanians? i said it originally because it is a known fact that it happened...is it possible for so many multiple sources to display the wrong things so many times over an describe it exactly the same?

I could find plenty of websites with information saying the same thing...that doesn&#39;t make it true. If it is fact, then you should be able to fine a good source which will be unbiased and reputable. It should not be representative of one side, or one point of view.

So, yes it is possible for multiple sources to display the wrong things. How many websites are out there with pro-palestinian viewpoints that have fabricated information? I would wager a lot, just like the ones that are pro-israel.



oh yeah, i forgot that you probably believe that jews control the media and that they always lie to you

Now who&#39;s the one jumping to conclusions. You have no idea what I believe, and are way off base on that comment.

[(*]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 01:11 PM



not quite...there were always jews there, and when the arabs found out that more jews were coming, they decided to move in and say it was always their land

Now try and back that up.



it is just a fact that muslims cannot stand the existence of jews...it was like this way before 1948

You are making a generalization. Don&#39;t claim things to be fact if you cannot prove it. Perhaps you should research how jews and christians lived freely in Islamic societies. They enjoyed freedoms that no one else would allot them.

[Loknar]

If the Arabs would have just accepted the original mandate which allowed the Palestinians and Jews a homeland they wouldn’t even have this problem now. But I suppose Israel, Jordan and Egypt attacking a newly created nation with a mere citizen army is not an act of imperialism :rolleyes:

Some of you guys are so narrow-minded on this issue it baffles me. If you just look at history you will see Israel has been attacked by the Arabs more than once. If you look at history you would know that more than once the Palestinians could have had their homeland.

I don’t think this has anything to do with Israel v. Palestine. This is a cold war era issue, the Arabs were supported by the soviet union and Israel by America and since some of you wont get out of the past you still see this as a relevant issue when in fact it is not.

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 08:48 PM
If the Arabs would have just accepted the original mandate which allowed the Palestinians and Jews a homeland they wouldn’t even have this problem now.
And why should Jews have been able to gain sovereignty over land which wasn&#39;t theirs, due to the whims of British imperialists?

[Loknar]

Originally posted by Totalitarian+Nov 3 2003, 08:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Totalitarian @ Nov 3 2003, 08:59 PM)
[email protected] 3 2003, 08:48 PM
If the Arabs would have just accepted the original mandate which allowed the Palestinians and Jews a homeland they wouldn’t even have this problem now.
And why should Jews have been able to gain sovereignty over land which wasn&#39;t theirs, due to the whims of British imperialists? [/b]
They actually offered to cede land when the Arabs attacked them.....


And the Israeli&#39;s invited the Arabs who lived with in their borders to stay with them and live in peace. why is that such a problem?

[Pro-MyIdeals]

Originally posted by (*+Nov 3 2003, 03:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ((* @ Nov 3 2003, 03:14 PM)
[email protected] 3 2003, 01:11 PM



not quite...there were always jews there, and when the arabs found out that more jews were coming, they decided to move in and say it was always their land

Now try and back that up.



it is just a fact that muslims cannot stand the existence of jews...it was like this way before 1948

You are making a generalization. Don&#39;t claim things to be fact if you cannot prove it. Perhaps you should research how jews and christians lived freely in Islamic societies. They enjoyed freedoms that no one else would allot them. [/b]
what do you know of the situation? you read your commie papers and won&#39;t listen to anyone else&#39;s point of view...you are very jaded...i have personal experience with the situation as well as many relatives who would have no reason to lie to me about the goings on of that situation

read this...and don&#39;t discredit this...it quotes your "reputable" sources (http://www.middleeastfacts.com)

where are your "sources" on this info?

[Pro-MyIdeals]

this might sum it up (http://www.jewishsf.com/bk001208/sfpanel.shtml)

what i said about jews not being allowed into jerusalem is true...just go onto yahoo and look for it...accept it...if you can&#39;t see it by now, you are blind

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 08:48 PM
They actually offered to cede land when the Arabs attacked them.....

The land wasn&#39;t theirs to cede.



And the Israeli&#39;s invited the Arabs who lived with in their borders to stay with them and live in peace. why is that such a problem?

First they kicked most of them out. You forgot that bit.

[Dhul Fiqar]

A man with an Israeli Zionist Fascist flag as his avatar deserves no response on any matter. Why speak to him at all, comrades?

--- G.

[(*]

This is from your first source

Yasser Arafat and his "Palestinian" cohort are among the best liars (and thieves) in the world


Your second source is
"Jewish Bulletin online"


You just don&#39;t get it. Your sources are all one-sided and biased.

I too have relatives, and friends who are very close to the situation. And for your information, I haven&#39;t read any "Commie Papers"

What sources do you want from me? I haven&#39;t posted anything that isn&#39;t widely considered fact. If you want me to prove something, tell me what you want me to prove.

You sir are the "blind" one.

[Pete]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 07:07 PM
this might sum it up (http://www.jewishsf.com/bk001208/sfpanel.shtml)

what i said about jews not being allowed into jerusalem is true...just go onto yahoo and look for it...accept it...if you can&#39;t see it by now, you are blind
Even if in the past injustice was done, farther in the past Israel attempted to complete a genocide of all natives to the land they claim as their own and brag about it. Okay that was long ago, and the bible is not a historical source. What about all of the ways that the Israeli&#39;s are trying to claim more Palestinain territory and forcing these people off of their fields which produce the produce they need to live? Just as bad? Worse?