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Kez
23rd October 2001, 15:26
When the first Genocide of the 20th century took place in Armenia on April 24 1915, 1.5 million innocent people were murdered. The land of Armenia was stolen and now only a third of it is left. All this was conducted by the Turkish authorities of the Ottoman empire and the young Turk movemnet. This occured as the empire was crumbling during WW1. Very people heard about this in the West at the time. Why? Because at the time Armenia was under the Russian Czarist Empire and thought to be pro Russia, when infact there was a very strong anti-russian atmosphere in the Armenia of that time. Meanwhile while the west ignored the tradegy, the Armenians were forced to turn to the new Bolsheviks in power, maybe this is what sealed the fate of the first Genocide of the century. All was kept quiet. Even after WW1 the western capitalist pigs leaders did not see in their intrests what would be the benefits of returning land to some distant nation in the caucauses, especially if it would be possible if the benfactors would be the new Soviet government. The treaty of Sevres which was meant to be reperations for the crimes of Turkey were easily changed to the Treaty of Lausanne after the Turks thought they didnt require a punishment for murdering 1.5 million men, women and children. The western government would not have gained anything from the treaty so they changed it to suit the turks, the truks had got off very lightly.
In WW2 history repeated itself as war broke out, again Germany and the Turks were together, and again the Armenians now under the soviet flag were beaten even though victorious. It was the Armenian division of Marshall Baghramian who liberated Berlin from the Fascist Dogs of Hitler. Berlin had been captured. Soon after the war, the Big Three had meeted and talked. Stalin realised that this was an opportunity to regain Armenian lost lands. After more than 30 years, maybe justice would be done and turkey would return Armenian land and all of its culture which was held in the lands back to the Armenian Soviet Republic, while Roosevelt and Stalin agreed, Churchill vetoed this and once more justice had not prevailed due to the greed of the capitalist naitons.
For nearly 90 years now we have denied the first Genocide of the 20th century, why wait any longer. Why do we also deny other genocides, such as those in Iraq? and the MASSacres of Kurds by YET AGAIN the Turks? we must put a stop to the cruelty of this world.
We are people to, we do not need to listen to what our leaders tell us, we can act on our own behalf too.

Forever Justice and Freedom. Kamo

revolutionary spirit
23rd October 2001, 19:47
the west deny what the turks do cause they need their land to have their airbases which they use to attack northern iraq and other countries around there

revolutionary spirit
23rd October 2001, 19:52
the west deny what the turks do cause they need their land to have their airbases which they use to attack northern iraq and other countries around there

Moskitto
23rd October 2001, 20:31
Don't Forget the Khmer Rouge who were armed by the US government to oppose the Hanoi government and in only 4 years killed an estimated 2.5 million ethnic Vietnamese, political enemies and intellectuals in an attempt to create the "Pure Khmer Race." And the US government continued to deny the Genocide for 20 years and let Pol Pot die without being brought to trial and still Kissinger the mastermind behind the genocide remains free in the US.

The sick thing is that the anti-left campaigners now blame "Communism" for the deaths when Pol Pot's policies are even easier to show the nazi intentions of the regime than Stalin or Mao.

Pol Pot wasn't a Communist, or even a Red Fascist, He was a Nazi. Anyone who says otherwise should point out where in Communist ideology calls for the creation of a "Pure Race." And explain why Nazi ideology talks of a "Pure Race."

Kez
25th October 2001, 10:27
I think the whole thing stinks,
Some countries such as France Germany Russia etc have accepted the Genocide of the Armenians, even though they might of lost out economically, (such as When french were selling arms to Turkey, Turkey closed the deal when France accepted the Genocide), this is because nations such as France have the higher moral ground over the UK or USA. Now it is time for other countries to accept the truth however much they lose out on econimically, even Uruguay, who was the first to accept the Genocide has a small Armenian commnity but still realised that it was the right thing to do,

We must press our "elected governments" to accept what it right, Whenever the News on TV says some bull we must protest, the only way is through action, whether it be the Armenian question or the ethnic cleansing of Kurds, or the slaughter of Iraqi children or whether USA buys Milosovic to put in court as part of their propaganda war

Comrade Kamo

Rosa
2nd March 2002, 22:45
I've learned about that genocide in 3rd grade in high-school.
The west needs alignent with Turkey bcs otherwise it would turn to be a leader of Islamic world: it has a history, was powerfull, it is likely that other islamic countries would respect them bcs of all that, has a great population potential...the West must be very carefull with Turkey. That's why W would ignore anything when it's about such an important country.

Moskitto
2nd March 2002, 22:58
Annother forgotten genocide is the Herero war in 1904. The Germans ordered than all the Herero (not just the ones rebelling) be killed. Although there weren't as many Herero as Cambodians, Armenians or Jews. Most of the at Risk population died.

I Will Deny You
2nd March 2002, 23:28
I've got a question: Is recognizing a genocide like recognizing a country? Is it purely diplomatic?

Kez
2nd March 2002, 23:33
Was Recognising the Jewish holocaust diplomatic?

comrade kamo

I Will Deny You
2nd March 2002, 23:36
I don't know. I didn't mean to offend you and I'm sorry if I did. I'm not even sure what "recognizing" a genocide means.

Sorry Kamo.

Son of Scargill
3rd March 2002, 00:03
All this is very true,and knowledge of history and stategic value is very important to mankind,but the Kurds and the Chechens are being repressed by extreme violence as I write this,Azerbaijan has been rewarded for giving the US its airbases,by dropping all sanctions imposed for human rights violations against the ethnic armenians...At the moment,Ignorance rules.How can we change that?

Kez
3rd March 2002, 00:05
No need to apologise comrade IWDY

Just trying to make it clear for you, and put it in another context.

comrade kamo