Marcy Vs. Avakian

[Kamil]

The PSL or RCP? Seen a lot of the former and only a little of the latter here on this board. Whats the dealio? and of the two....who do YOU prefer? Why? Which movement has done the most for the "cause" as it were? Which of the two is going anywhere in your opinion?

[Thirsty Crow]

The PSL or RCP? Seen a lot of the former and only a little of the latter here on this board. Whats the dealio? and of the two....who do YOU prefer? Why? Which movement has done the most for the "cause" as it were? Which of the two is going anywhere in your opinion?
PSL are heading for a dinner with Mahmoud Achmedinejad.
RCP, well, is headed wherever good ol' Bob is headed.
:D

[Savage]

PSL are heading for a dinner with Mahmoud Achmedinejad.

A revolution is not a dinner party

[Cleansing Conspiratorial Revolutionary Flame]

In all fairness neither. :lol:


As the Revolutionary Communist Party is fully centered around a silly 'New Synthesis' and has Cultist tendencies and the Party of Socialism and Liberation has silly views relating to China and 'existing Socialist regimes.'

[RedJanitor]

I dunno.... The PSL and RCP are both just so awful.

[Revy]

WWP/PSL = defend every regime the US opposes, no matter how horrible.

RCP = worship our leader! drink this kool-aid! all aboard the mothership!

[Who?]

I wouldn't call myself an enthusiastic supporter of either organization.

I have respect for the PSL/WWP, they do good anti-war work and there are legitimate revolutionaries within those parties. They uphold the GPCR which is pretty solid. But they obviously also take a number of positions that I'm uncomfortable with.

The RCP is a little cultish for my taste and it's my understanding that they have completely abandoned Marxism-Leninism-Maoism. If it were 1979 I'd probably give a shot, but not now.

Taking all things into consideration, gun to my head, I'd probably join either the PSL or the WWP. The RCP is a sinking ship and nothing else.

[Hebrew Hammer]

RCP, well, is headed wherever good ol' Bob is headed.


France?

Don't mock his ExIlE!!1!!

[wunderbar]

France?

Don't mock his ExIlE!!1!!

I forgot what he did to necessitate his fleeing to France, wasn't it knocking over a shopping cart or something?

[Os Cangaceiros]

Nah man, he was doing some super-clandestine underground shit bro. He sleeps in a different place every night cuz of the CIA...the amount of attempts on his life would put Castro to shame.

It's hard to know where he finds to time to crank out his shitty poetry. The man's a machine.

[Hebrew Hammer]

I forgot what he did to necessitate his fleeing to France, wasn't it knocking over a shopping cart or something?

I could be wrong but I think during some protest he assualted some cop and I also read that there were "numerous attempts on his life," so he relocated to France.

The charges were dropped in 1982 though.

[ZeroNowhere]

I could be wrong but I think during some protest he assualted some cop and I also read that there were "numerous attempts on his life," so he relocated to France.

The charges were dropped in 1982 though.Well, yes, but that was just a ruse to lure him back. The US government is greatly afeared of Bob Avakian, and plot his end by the minute.

[Salyut]

Nah man, he was doing some super-clandestine underground shit bro. He sleeps in a different place every night cuz of the CIA...the amount of attempts on his life would put Castro to shame.

It's hard to know where he finds to time to crank out his shitty poetry. The man's a machine.

Well he IS the Lenin of our times.


. One feature of the party that stands out is their adulation for Avakian. May 1st of this year the RCP introduced a newly formatted, renamed newspaper called Revolution to much fanfare. In that issue they pour on the worship of Avakian particularly thick, but examples abound elsewhere also, in other issues before and after, on the web, and in talks. RCP members refer to themselves as "comrades and students of RCP Chairman Bob Avakian", and argue that "if you want to change the world . . . you need to know Bob Avakian". They talk of the need to "cherish him and defend" him, because "a leader like this only comes along once in a great while". We are called on to read his memoirs and listen to "the whole 11-hour DVD set" of Bob Avakian speaking, and hold parties to view it with everyone we know. One article describes an immigrant working 7 days a week, 12 hours a day, who takes his one day off on New Years day to travel to the Rose Bowl parade and "tell people about Bob Avakian", and claims that in the projects in LA people now greet each other by "putting their fists to their hearts and shouting out, 'B. A. '". Someone even "begins to cry as he hears of the future envisioned by Bob Avakian -- 'People need this kind of leader to unleash their creativity'". One acolyte is quoted on their website saying "if Lenin were alive today, he'd sound a lot like Bob Avakian". (2) At demonstrations, these students of Avakian have chanted "The earth is quakin'/ Follow Bob Avakian/ The empire's shakin'/ Follow Bob Avakian!"

The PSL cannot match the revolutionary nature of Bleb and his New Synthesis.

[Jimmie Higgins]

The PSL or RCP? Seen a lot of the former and only a little of the latter here on this board. Whats the dealio? and of the two....who do YOU prefer? Why? Which movement has done the most for the "cause" as it were? Which of the two is going anywhere in your opinion?Politically I don't agree with either, but from what I've seen the PSL are better at being outward in their organizing and tend to be better activists.

No that everyone got the jokes out of the way, can posters focus on politics from here-on please?

[Rafiq]

Both aren't, in any way, appropriate 'vangaurds' or representations of the Proletarian class. I literally see no reason at all why anyone would want to become a part of any of these two political joke fests.

But if you must choose, I would stay clear of the RCP, considering they are pretty much a cult.

[CleverTitle]

I wouldn't compare the two. No matter my disagreements with the PSL, they're still relatively organized and upfront.

The RCP is... uh...

[Ocean Seal]

For what its worth the RCP is indeed a cult, but the PSL is an organization dedicated to active organization and and agitation. The PSL for what its worth disregarding their opinion on the existing socialist regimes (which many on here have distorted to make them sound ridiculous) actually do work in their communities and have large outreach committees. They're able to effectively combat racism and homophobia which is a lot more than I can say for most organizations. See some of their actual activity before you make useless posts about how silly the "PSL" is.

[DiaMat86]

PSL has a slick website and comrades who don't wear weird black t shirts. +10

[Ismail]

Better idea: LaRouche Vs. Avakian.

Two cultists (one an ex-Trotskyist/Luxemburgist) fight to the death!

Because honestly, comparing the RCPUSA with any other party isn't fair to the other parties.

The LaRouchites in the 1970's basically said that (http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1974/eirv01n18-19740902/eirv01n18-19740902_009-lns_a_kitson_model_countergang.pdf) Avakian was a tool of the Rockefeller elites and the CIA, and later on in the 1990's basically called him (http://www.larouchepub.com/other/1995/2246_ru_rcp_countergang.html) a tool for the British oligarchy.

[Rusty Shackleford]

PSL of course.

Yes we have some lines that are difficult to uphold sometimes but its party of being in the party. What ive seen is a great amount of discipline in certain areas come out of being in this party.

I mean, our offices are open 7 days a week and there is almost always someone in them answering the phones and making sure things are still moving forward. pretty quickly, you get put into an area of work that you are comfortable with and you just go and do it.


yeah.