DPRK 2nd happiest country... according to...

[Triple A]

DPRK supporters take a look at this unbiased study made by north korea:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4078010,00.html



N. Korea ranks 2nd in own 'happiness index'
People's Republic of China is happiest place on earth, followed by isolated dictatorship, according to survey published by Kim Jong-il's government. Also in top five: Cuba, Iran and Venezuela. Two lowest spots go to South Korea, United States, while Israel not mentioned at all



The state-run TV network in Pyongyang reported that China received 100 points in the survey, whose indicators were not disclosed, while North Korea came in second with 98 "happiness" points.



At the bottom of the list, unsurprisingly, were South Korea, which ranked 152 with only 18 points and the United States – referred to as "the American Empire" – coming in last at 203. The survey results did not specify the ranking of European or African states, and no mention was made of Israel.



:lol:

[SacRedMan]

Well, then why don't they show them smilling instead of a depressive Kim Jong II?

[L.A.P.]

Also in top five: Cuba, Iran and Venezuela.

This makes me think about how bizarre international relations have become.


North Korea came in second with 98 "happiness" points.

So did they send the other 2 to the labor camps?

[NoOneIsIllegal]

Almost as impressive as when Kim Jong-Il shot a 19 on DPRK's first 18-hole golf course.

[Ocean Seal]

Well obviously if Hu-Jin-Tao and Kim Jong Il say so it must be true. I mean its not like there would be any repercussions for admitting depression. They're so happy that they even salute happiness.

http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/24012010/2830645/KIT354_wa.jpg

Just look at them smiling from ear to ear.

[Comrade J]

This makes me think about how bizarre international relations have become.

Not really, states rarely form relations based on ideology, its usually on realpolitik terms, as in whatever serves the state's global position etc.

Seemingly odd ideological pairups are nothing new; look at the US and how it has always spouted shit about democracy whilst supporting and installing corrupt and brutal regimes.

[The_Outernationalist]

I always love it when smug western chauvinists make unsolicited attacks on non-white nations by posting articles with no legitimate sources, it just warms my heart.

[Return to the Source]

Has anyone bothered to go to the source and find the real article from the DPRK news agency that allegedly put this out?

[NewLeft]

I wonder how it's like to visit the DPRK as a tourist.. Not so sure if I would be willing to kiss a statue of Kim..

[The_Outernationalist]

Has anyone bothered to go to the source and find the real article from the DPRK news agency that allegedly put this out?

Didn't you know? if you're a western chauvinist (possibly closeted-racist) and you find something unflattering and ridiculous about North Korea on the net, it must be true! Because the internet said so! and the internet is never wrong! And North Korea always says stupid stuff! the US news websites say so!

[The_Outernationalist]

Well obviously if Hu-Jin-Tao and Kim Jong Il say so it must be true..
We don't even know if "they" said this, seeing as it was posted with no original sources and a google news search returns no results...BUT HEY!!! North Koreans are known for being silly asians, they must've said it! I read it on THE INTERNET!!!

[thesadmafioso]

Well, if dear leader insists, it must be true...

[The_Outernationalist]

Well, if dear leader insists, it must be true...

The problem is, we don't know if the "dear leader" said this because the only link provided is that of an Israeli-based zionist rag and no official state sources...or any other source for that matter except this one. Do a google news search, nothing comes up. Sounds like more typical chauvinist smugness on the part of the westerners here.

[Lyev]

I always love it when western chauvinists make unsolicited attacks on non-white nations, it just warms my heart.You could address the issue at hand here -- you seem to be quite pro DPRK? -- rather than putting out an hyperbolic tirade against some perceived western chauvinism. The attacks are directed at Kim Il-Sung's regime not because the country is inhabited largely by "non-whites" (most revleft posters are bigots :rolleyes:) but because he is the head of an oppressive and grinding state-capitalist regime. What exactly is "chauvinist" or racist or discriminatory about anything anywhere in this thread? You abstact these words from their actual meaning (and they are pretty serious issues). It is totally inappropriate and underhand to try and make such a kneejerk, sensationalist two-sentence post (which lacks any real content) in an attempt to shut down debate. You imply that we need to be from North Korea to comment on the political and social situation, but seeing as defectors and escapees are something of a rarity, and censorship and information control are selective and repressive, it is hard to ever get a true picture of exactly what is going on inside the country. So if that is your logic, no-one here should really comment on the situation at all (which would make people like you probably quite comfortable that you don't have defend anti-worker state oppression).

[Return to the Source]

Predictably, it's not on the DPRK News Agency website, which makes one wonder if the bloggers who broke this story just made it up completely. And if that's the case, it's pretty embarrassing for the people who believed it without verifying the story.

[The_Outernationalist]

You could address the issue at hand here -- you seem to be quite pro DPRK?

Because I'm against chauvinistic smugness and misinformation, I'm somehow pro-DPRK?

I like to consider myself pro-facts, actually. But go on--continue believing a fake news article as long as it continues to give you a smug satisfaction that you're superior to those dastardly east asians who obviously love to lie and fabricate goofy stories!


What exactly is "chauvinist" or racist or discriminatory about anything anywhere in this thread?

How about the fact that a westerner posts an article from a conservative Israeli newspaper and propogates it as fact, because he so desperately wants to believe in silly North Korea stereotypes that are spoonfed to us by the US and EU governments?

[thesadmafioso]

The problem is, we don't know if the "dear leader" said this because the only link provided is that of an Israeli-based zionist rag and no official state sources...or any other source for that matter except this one. Do a google news search, nothing comes up. Sounds like more typical chauvinist smugness on the part of the westerners here.

Are you implying that the glorious democratic peoples republic of north korea is not a happy nation? Dear leader would be most displeased with this assessment.

[Comrade J]

We don't even know if "they" said this, seeing as it was posted with no original sources and a google news search returns no results...BUT HEY!!! North Koreans are known for being silly asians, they must've said it! I read it on THE INTERNET!!!

What the fuck are you talking about? Criticism of North Korea - like any state - is valid and has no 'racial' factors at all, at least on this forum. I think it is a despicable regime of power-crazed oligarchs who use bastardised Marxist rhetoric and propaganda, making it all the more difficult for actual communists around the world. Anyone who supports the regime is not a communist but likely an attention-seeking shit who justs courts controversial opinion for the sake of it. DPRK supporters on Revleft should just leave. My view isn't based on any Western media bias or the rhetoric of the government, it's just an obvious conclusion for any communist.

Bringing the notion of race into it is ridiculous, it brings to mind the Zionist defense that criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic.

[The_Outernationalist]

Why is everyone ignoring the fact that his "credible" source is a conservative Israeli/pro-zionist Newspaper that obviously has a staked interest to trash North Korea?



What the fuck are you talking about? Criticism of North Korea - like any state - is valid and has no 'racial' factors at all, at least on this forum.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

consider a career in standup.

[Tommy4ever]

Why is everyone ignoring the fact that his "credible" source is a conservative Israeli/pro-zionist Newspaper that obviously has a staked interest to trash North Korea?

What staked interest would that be?

Outside media doesn't need to make the North Korean regime look ridiculous. They can do that perfectly well on their own.

[Return to the Source]

And honestly, how is it any more ridiculous than the Freedom House (http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=363&year=2011) surveys that come out in the US every year? Or the stupid polls conducted by MSNBC or Fox News that get treated as scientific data (text 1 if you agree, text 2 if you disagree)?

[Die Rote Fahne]

Dear Leader says we are happy, then we are happy.

[The_Outernationalist]

What staked interest would that be?

um...you're unaware that Israel is an American lapdog that barks when ordered to do so by the US?

[Return to the Source]

You're missing the point: The 'Dear Leader' didn't say any of this shit.

[The_Outernationalist]

You're missing the point: The 'Dear Leader' didn't say any of this shit.

That's been my point all along, despite all the strawmen thrown at me to waffle away from the issue...and I'm wondering what kind've "leftist" just posts a conservative Israeli zionist newspaper's article and propogates it as fact. that seems to remain unanswered.

I suppose I should start using stormfront next to source racial statistics? it's just as absurd and dangerous.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

That's been my point all along, despite all the strawmen thrown at me to waffle away from the issue.

No your "point" was some racist bullshit about how all the people posting were chauvinist whites who hate asians. Anyway, even though the "Dear Leader" didn't say it himself, his government did release this survey and for obviously propagandistic purposes.

The story in the original article was in sources aside from YNet, so the whole argument about this being from a "zionist rag" is ridiculous. Not to mention, it's also racist to assume any news source from Israel is biased ... one can disagree with Zionism without assuming all Israelis are part of some ridiculous capitalist conspiracy. I don't dislike CNN's reporting because it's from America, I dislike CNN's reporting because it reflects bourgeois biases and assumptions. When those biases and assumptions can be identified, CNN should be criticized as a source, but assuming it is wrong based on the fact that it is "American" would be bad.

[The_Outernationalist]

Anyway, even though the "Dear Leader" didn't say it himself, his government did release this survey and for obviously propagandistic purposes.

[citation needed]

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

[citation needed]

Not too hard to find on google.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/06/north-korea-global-happiness-index-china-happiest-place_n_871784.html

http://shanghaiist.com/2011/05/31/north_korea_releases_global_happine.php

[The_Outernationalist]

Not too hard to find on google.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/06/north-korea-global-happiness-index-china-happiest-place_n_871784.html

It took me a few seconds to see that they were quoting this from a blog:


As Shanghaiist is reporting,


I suppose I should start using blogs for now on as completely credible sources! :rolleyes:

[Return to the Source]

So we're indicting the DPRK over a screencapture from a news show on TV? Imagine the image we could paint of the entire US with a single serving of Fox & Friends!

[Die Rote Fahne]

http://shanghaiist.com/2011/05/31/north_korea_releases_global_happine.php

http://www.newser.com/story/120037/north-korea-is-2nd-happiest-nation-north-korea.html

http://news.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2011/05/27/2011052701964.html

[danyboy27]

http://chaoxian.com.cn/bbsthread-117570/

[Die Rote Fahne]

What makes you think North Korea wouldn't put out such a tale?

[Chimurenga.]

Even if it's true, who cares?

[Bronco]

Looks like the story has been circulating around Chinese media, they're generally a pretty good source for North Korean news apparently

[Sasha]

@ outernationalist, maybe you shouldn't get yourself so worked up, if you keep foaming at the mouth like.that people will think you have rabies.

[Wanted Man]

This is pure Stalinist bullshit. Everyone knows that Revleft is the happiest place on earth.

[Tommy4ever]

This is pure Stalinist bullshit. Everyone knows that Revleft is the happiest place on earth.

Are you calling revleft a country?

Nationalist!

[Triple A]

I didnt know that any critics against the workers paradise of DPRK were considered racist. Sorry revisionists.

[PhoenixAsh]

Because I'm against chauvinistic smugness and misinformation, I'm somehow pro-DPRK?

I like to consider myself pro-facts, actually. But go on--continue believing a fake news article as long as it continues to give you a smug satisfaction that you're superior to those dastardly east asians who obviously love to lie and fabricate goofy stories!

According to your own logic...we don't know if the story is true or false. And since you claim to know its false...then we must assume that if people who believe the story to be true are chauvenists...the same should go for those who use big words and blanket statements to paint it as lies.

So...according to your own logic there...you are pro-DPRK biased dismissing the article out of hand as anti-DPRK propaganda.

Linguistically, logically, and argumentatively...you just provided the entire basis for that assessment of your orientation.

Now...as for your second part...that is a serious accusation. One that I personally would like you to provide any shred of evidence for. Because what you are doing here is asinine and a flatout strawman. You conclude from the fact that most here think the DPRK is NOT a socialist state and is in fact a dictatorial, near theistic dictatorship which will do anything to isolate its population and create a cult of personality and has very little to do with socialism means there is a racial bias. And that is an illogical and unfounded conclusion against members of the forum

So instead of doing this stupid ****...you might want to provide factual and argumentative basis for that very serious accusation....before we proceed with a contentual arguments on the subject of why the DPRK is or is not socialist....or else withdraw your statement if you are unable to do so.

Because although I agree with you that this is questionable....I do take offense at such accusations when used too damned lightly.

[Crux]

Has anyone bothered to go to the source and find the real article from the DPRK news agency that allegedly put this out?
Are you saying there is anything wrong with it?

[Lumpen Bourgeois]

Governments carry out studies all the time. Why when the U.S. releases its decennial census isn't there a thread on revleft filled with sarcastic skepticism of it? This is just proof of the epidemic of anti-asian racism on here. I think you left commies are letting your deep-seated hatred of asian people cloud your judgment. Seriously, get some counseling.

Sure one can legitimately accuse the DPRK study of bias, but that certainly isn't sufficient to completely disregard it. The onus is on you DPRK haters to show that this study is plagued with severe methodological flaws. No one has yet to mention even a single criticism of how the study was carried out.

Why are the findings so difficult for many here to believe? What is it? People not living in some sort of anarcho-trot left commie liberal utopian hellscape can't be extremely content? I have a pen pal in North Korea* who seems pretty happy. He inserts smilies such as this one( :)) in his messages to me all the time, so personal experience seems to lend credence to the DPRK study’s findings.

Ultraleftists, get over yourselves.




*He's from the northern part of South Korea, but it's close enough.

[Crux]

Governments carry out studies all the time. Why when the U.S. releases its decennial census isn't there a thread on revleft filled with sarcastic skepticism of it? This is just proof of the epidemic of anti-asian racism on here. I think you left commies are letting your deep-seated hatred of asian people cloud your judgment. Seriously, get some counseling.

Sure one can legitimately accuse the DPRK study of bias, but that certainly isn't sufficient to completely disregard it. The onus is on you DPRK haters to show that this study is plagued with severe methodological flaws. No one has yet to mention even a single criticism of how the study was carried out.

Why are the findings so difficult for many here to believe? What is it? People not living in some sort of anarcho-trot left commie liberal utopian hellscape can't be extremely content? I have a pen pal in North Korea* who seems pretty happy. He inserts smilies such as this one( :)) in his messages to me all the time, so personal experience seems to lend credence to the DPRK study’s findings.

Ultraleftists, get over yourselves.




*He's from the northern part of South Korea, but it's close enough.
:laugh: And here I thought the apologists tried to make the case that the study was a western media invention not that it was correct. And no South Korea and North Korea are not the same. And no I don't think your South Korean penpals use of emoticons lends any more credibility to the study at all.

[edit] Bravo! *clapclap*

[Bronco]

Governments carry out studies all the time. Why when the U.S. releases its decennial census isn't there a thread on revleft filled with sarcastic skepticism of it? This is just proof of the epidemic of anti-asian racism on here. I think you left commies are letting your deep-seated hatred of asian people cloud your judgment. Seriously, get some counseling.

Sure one can legitimately accuse the DPRK study of bias, but that certainly isn't sufficient to completely disregard it. The onus is on you DPRK haters to show that this study is plagued with severe methodological flaws. No one has yet to mention even a single criticism of how the study was carried out.

Why are the findings so difficult for many here to believe? What is it? People not living in some sort of anarcho-trot left commie liberal utopian hellscape can't be extremely content? I have a pen pal in North Korea* who seems pretty happy. He inserts smilies such as this one( :)) in his messages to me all the time, so personal experience seems to lend credence to the DPRK study’s findings.

Ultraleftists, get over yourselves.




*He's from the northern part of South Korea, but it's close enough.

Is this a satirical comment? Please say that it is

[Crux]

If it is indeed satire my hat is off to you. But I've been on RevLeft long enough to not be suprised by the stalinist's ability to seem like satire.

[LegendZ]

Why the fuck does this even matter?

[Pretty Flaco]

Why the fuck does this even matter?
because it's funny if it's real

[RED DAVE]

because it's funny if it's realAbout as funny as this.


Chairman Mao swims across the Yangzi

One of Mao Zedong's early articles, "A Study of Physical Culture" [体育之研究, Tiyu zhi yanjiu], published in the influential journal New Youth [新青年, Xin Qingnian] in 1917, was devoted to the benefits of regular exercise and swimming to make the Chinese people physically strong.

All his life, Mao would follow his own prescription and swim wherever he could. Moreover, Mao's penchant for water made swimming an accepted physical activity for many Chinese. In 1956, Mao swam in the Yangzi (also called Yangtze and Chang Jiang or 'Long River') for the first time. It inspired him to compose the poem Youyong (游泳, Swimming], which turned the dip into a memorable feat.

On 16 July 1966, a great Crossing-the-Yangzi event was organized in Wuhan to commemorate the event. Mao showed up to stress his support for this exercise and plopped down from his boat to float downstreams for over an hour. During his dip, he exchanged jokes with the masses and taught a woman how to perform the backstroke swim. The happening was covered extensively by the Chinese mass media. It was widely interpreted as a demonstration that Mao, although residing in Shanghai, far removed from the locus of power (Beijing), still was physically fit and able to continue to lead China on its revolutionary course. This played a major role in his bid to regain power during the Cultural Revolution.

Mao's swim became a major yearly event of commemoration, giving thousands the opportunity to express their boundless devotion to the Chairman. They would jump enthusiastically in the water to do their bit. Not only in Wuhan, at the very spot where Mao had entered the waters, but also in the sea and in various rivers and lakes across the country. On the first anniversary, in 1967, there were 50,000 swimmers in lakes all over Beijing alone.(emph added)

http://chineseposters.net/themes/mao-swims.php

RED DAVE

[MattShizzle]

Just because some horrible dictatorship calls itself "communist" doesn't by any means mean it is. N Korea is NOT communist, it is fascist and near feudalist.

[La Comédie Noire]

Oh come on, the bourgeois republic countries have glaringly biased surveys as well. Anyone remember the Economist's "freedom index" that NGNM linked to a while back? :laugh:

[RED DAVE]

Oh come on, the bourgeois republic countries have glaringly biased surveys as well. Anyone remember the Economist's "freedom index" that NGNM linked to a while back? :laugh:We expect the bourgeoisie to lie like rugs. We expect so-called Marxists to tell the truth. When they lie, they betray themselves as just as bad as the bourgeoisie.

RED DAVE

[bailey_187]

*He's from the northern part of South Korea, but it's close enough.

LOL

So you have a north korean penpal, but actually hes from a northern part of south korea?:confused::lol::lol:

So how is that at all relevent? According to this study, he should be unhappy?

[Kiev Communard]

Strange as it may be, I recall that one of the 'happiness surveys' conducted by the Western NGO called the New Economics Foundation in 2006 ended up declaring that Vanuatu and Colombia were the happiest nations in the world, while Norway, for instance, took merely the 115th position. Too bad nobody told starving Colombian peasants who are constantly threatened with land eviction or worse by their landowners that they are much happier than these boring social-democratic Norwegians...

This once again shows that all these 'happiness' censuses, whether conducted by the British think tanks or by the Juche propaganda services, are basically idealist and nonobjective. I suppose that the U.N. Human Development Index, for all it faults, may be more informative than the former.

[bailey_187]

Why are the findings so difficult for many here to believe? What is it? People not living in some sort of anarcho-trot left commie liberal utopian hellscape can't be extremely content?

IMO, its hard to beleive due to the fact that North Korea is largley reliant on food handouts. Now obviously they arent starving, but surely you would be abit unhappy if your state failed to provide such basics as food. The reasons for the states failure of course can be debated, whether its the sanctions or whatever, but the simple fact remains that the North Korean state fails to provide its citizens with enough food, and relies on an international agency to provide rations. Does this happen in capitalist states too, befor you point it out? Yes. Do some people in other parts of the world have less? Yes. No one is saying the DPRK is the worst place on earth to live, simply that its pretty unlikley to be the happiest place in the world, when it is unable to feed itself. Again, we can point to US sanctions etc and absolve the Kim regime of blame if you want.

The DPRK also has military conscription from age 17 for a few years, for all but people with certain jobs. This isnt the worst thing in the world, nor is it uncommon in the world. However, i wouldnt think that being forced to spend a significant portion of your life as a soldier from the age of 17 is something everyone would be happy about. Of course, you cant point out that its needed to ward of Imperialist invasion, and therefore is the USA's fault. However the point is that i think it seems unlikley that the happiest place in the world is one where people ate forced to spend their youth in the military. Some might enjoy it, as many do in other places, but im sure many resent it.

I also read an article The Economist recently which stated that the Buddhist charity Good Friends in the DPRK claims that terbeculosis is on the rise in the DPRK. Maybe its imperialist lies from the Economist, maybe from Good Friends (why?) etc. Maybe its due to the USA. Maybe it doesnt matter because people over the world have worse illness. Im expecting those sort of replies to that, but tbh, you can really talk about sources being unreliable when you seem to think a South Korean (but in the northern part) using smilies when talk to him is in anyway relevent.


inb4 i get called an imperialist racist

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

Because I'm against chauvinistic smugness and misinformation, I'm somehow pro-DPRK?

I like to consider myself pro-facts, actually. But go on--continue believing a fake news article as long as it continues to give you a smug satisfaction that you're superior to those dastardly east asians who obviously love to lie and fabricate goofy stories!



How about the fact that a westerner posts an article from a conservative Israeli newspaper and propogates it as fact, because he so desperately wants to believe in silly North Korea stereotypes that are spoonfed to us by the US and EU governments?

Ah yes, the great campaign of anti north korea lies.

Considering how in their public biography of Kim, posted on their official government website, they claimed he got 19 holes in one on his first round of golf, and on the day he was born, a double rainbow appeared on North Korea's highest mountain, I don't think you can blame people for believing hilariously absurd stories from North Korea.


Governments carry out studies all the time. Why when the U.S. releases its decennial census isn't there a thread on revleft filled with sarcastic skepticism of it? This is just proof of the epidemic of anti-asian racism on here. I think you left commies are letting your deep-seated hatred of asian people cloud your judgment. Seriously, get some counseling.

Sure one can legitimately accuse the DPRK study of bias, but that certainly isn't sufficient to completely disregard it. The onus is on you DPRK haters to show that this study is plagued with severe methodological flaws. No one has yet to mention even a single criticism of how the study was carried out.

Why are the findings so difficult for many here to believe? What is it? People not living in some sort of anarcho-trot left commie liberal utopian hellscape can't be extremely content? I have a pen pal in North Korea* who seems pretty happy. He inserts smilies such as this one( :)) in his messages to me all the time, so personal experience seems to lend credence to the DPRK study’s findings.

Ultraleftists, get over yourselves.




*He's from the northern part of South Korea, but it's close enough.


looooooooooool is this a troll or something?

You accuse people of being rascists because they didn't "deeply anlyse for methological flaws" a survey which claims an obvious shithole like north korea is the second happiest place on earth, and then argue that north korea seems okay because your PEN PAL (WHO ISN'T FROM NORTH KOREA) USES SMILEYS IN THE MESSAGES HE SENDS YOU?!!

[Chambered Word]

Governments carry out studies all the time. Why when the U.S. releases its decennial census isn't there a thread on revleft filled with sarcastic skepticism of it? This is just proof of the epidemic of anti-asian racism on here. I think you left commies are letting your deep-seated hatred of asian people cloud your judgment. Seriously, get some counseling.

Sure one can legitimately accuse the DPRK study of bias, but that certainly isn't sufficient to completely disregard it. The onus is on you DPRK haters to show that this study is plagued with severe methodological flaws. No one has yet to mention even a single criticism of how the study was carried out.

Why are the findings so difficult for many here to believe? What is it? People not living in some sort of anarcho-trot left commie liberal utopian hellscape can't be extremely content? I have a pen pal in North Korea* who seems pretty happy. He inserts smilies such as this one( :)) in his messages to me all the time, so personal experience seems to lend credence to the DPRK study’s findings.

Ultraleftists, get over yourselves.




*He's from the northern part of South Korea, but it's close enough.


Live fast, troll hard. :cool:

[Crux]

Live fast, troll hard. :cool:
Adding to hilarity: "Return To The Source" does not realize he's being trolled, easy mistake I missed it before I checked up some poster history, and thanks the post. Yeah.

[black magick hustla]

start a thread on the dprk, count to ten, and wait for the barrack communists with hip hop sensibilities to strike

[The Teacher]

I always love it when smug western chauvinists make unsolicited attacks on non-white nations by posting articles with no legitimate sources, it just warms my heart.

What about any of that is relevant?

[~Spectre]

The problem is, we don't know if the "dear leader" said this because the only link provided is that of an Israeli-based zionist rag and no official state sources...or any other source for that matter except this one. Do a google news search, nothing comes up. Sounds like more typical chauvinist smugness on the part of the westerners here.


"We don't even know if "they" said this, seeing as it was posted with no original sources and a google news search returns no results...BUT HEY!!! Israelis are known for being silly Jews, they must be making this up! I read it on THE INTERNET!!! Sounds like typical anti-semetic smugness on the part of westerners here."

-The Zionist version of you.

[L.A.P.]

Not really, states rarely form relations based on ideology, its usually on realpolitik terms, as in whatever serves the state's global position etc.

Seemingly odd ideological pairups are nothing new; look at the US and how it has always spouted shit about democracy whilst supporting and installing corrupt and brutal regimes.

Yeah, but ranking your allies in a happiness charts at the very top and enemies at the very bottom is overdoing it just a bit.

[North Star]

The poll is a piece of DPRK propaganda and anyone that defends it is a prime example of the reason why the radical left is a mess. You'd think that any half intelligent person could see through this DPRK silliness given that the sophistication of their propaganda is dismal. It's about 80 years out of date. China being in top spot should set off alarm bells. It's probably an attempt to show that the Chinese model is great and that the DRPK will eventually go that route, in order to prepare the population for the massive rise in inequality that will occur. Venezuela can't be one of the happiest places on Earth, because a) there is a lot of people that hate Chavez and b) if Venezuela was already so great then why is there still an ongoing Bolivarian Revolution? :D Iran being in the list is also clear proof that it's just a list the WPK devised. The difference between this stuff and Freedom House is that Freedom House is done in a far more convincing way until you look closely. This stuff you can tell is BS in ten seconds.

[ZeroNowhere]

I'd be a racist ultra-left Western chauvinist who hated Asians, if I wasn't Asian. Ah well, it's a missed opportunity.

[Revy]

This is propaganda made up by the DPRK. They just wrote the study. Basically, they're trolling.

Being 2nd place is an attempt to look humble. They put China first to flatter the PRC. And of course they put their enemies last.

All these state capitalist hellholes through history release false news reports all the time. In its last throes, the Romanian dictatorship broadcasted reports of record harvests, all while Romanians were suffering food shortages and starving, Ceausescu was setting up photo ops with fake plastic fruits and vegetables.

Kim Jong-il will be lucky if he is not executed when the North Koreans feel empowered enough to revolt, as the Romanians did to their glorious leader. But I'm sure according to some people on here, Ceausescu was a socialist hero....some people just aren't in touch with reality...

[Black Sheep]

Wow,criticising DPRK has gone from being 'pro imperialist' to 'racist'.

just wow.

[Yazman]

Live fast, troll hard. :cool:


[citation needed]


Posts like this are worthless and contribute nothing to the thread. At least Chambered Word made some resemblance of an effort in his post - The Outernationalist however has simply decided that, despite the rules, quoting a post and writing "citation needed" is somehow not spam.

Don't let me see posts like this in this thread, or anywhere on the forums outside of Chit Chat again or you're both getting infractions.

This post constitutes a warning to Chambered Word and The Outernationalist for spam.

[Forward Union]

I think the point about this being fabricated or hugely exaggerated ought to be taken quite seriously. Think about what we know, about the nature of western media toward say, the Black bloc, Socialist organisations etc. Such as when the Daily Mail claimed that "Anarchists plan to gas Dublin" on mayday 2004.

However, this doesn't mean that North Korea is any better than we expect, in fact, in researching it, I can't find any positive statistics regarding North Korea, from any credible source.

But we have to distinguish between actual defects, and fantasy ones. I don't care about North Korea, I can't affect anything happening there. But that doesn't mean I'm prepared to accept anything I hear about it, least of all from sources like the one cited.

[manic expression]

People are forgetting a tangential (possibly unintentional) reason for releasing such a list: to piss off the enemies of socialist countries. Judging by this thread, it looks like it works just fine.

[hatzel]

People are forgetting a tangential (possibly unintentional) reason for releasing such a list: to piss off the enemies of socialist countries. Judging by this thread, it looks like it works just fine.

Considering it seems to be the supporters (presumably) of said countries who are running around raging in this thread and calling everybody racist, it feels as though they might have pissed off the wrong people somehow...

[ZeroNowhere]

Considering it seems to be the supporters (presumably) of said countries who are running around raging in this thread and calling everybody racist, it feels as though they might have pissed off the wrong people somehow...You only think that because you're an anti-Semite.

[Die Rote Fahne]

People are forgetting a tangential (possibly unintentional) reason for releasing such a list: to piss off the enemies of reclusive pseudotheocratic bureaucratic collectivist countries. Judging by this thread, it looks like it works just fine.

Fixed

[Coggeh]

98% happiness, this will be a big boom for the tourist industry there!..... Oh ...wait......

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

Any thread about the DPRK brings out the silliness. What are the arguments presented in defense of the DPRK?

(1) All critics of the DPRK are racist white chauvinists

(2) All negative stories about the DPRK must be part of a plot by the evil bourgeois zionist propaganda

(3) The Korean Worker's Party is a real worker's party because they call themselves that, even if their government has a hereditary autocracy and an extreme level of propaganda and lack of real collective ownership

(4) The actions of North Korea are totally justified, or should not be criticized by Communists, because it is the victim of the evil imperialists. Like the great leaders Lukashenko, Hussein and Khomeini, any excessive uses of force by their government are justified by the very existence of the United States (no mention of the fact, of course, that plenty of other anti-Imperialist governments in history never needed to resort to such an excessive police state to survive).

These are all very weak arguments, and leads one to favoring all sorts of counter-revolutionary governments simply because they oppose "The West".

[Nanatsu Yoru]

Where did the Outernationalist go?

[bailey_187]

People are forgetting a tangential (possibly unintentional) reason for releasing such a list: to piss off the enemies of socialist countries. Judging by this thread, it looks like it works just fine.

lolwtf mate

[Rooster]

(2) All negative stories about the DPRK must be part of a plot by the evil bourgeois zionist propaganda

See that thread TVM made where he uses an imperialist newspaper as a source of how good the DPRK is. Even though he read the information wrong. Seems to me that they're clutching at straws.

[manic expression]

Considering it seems to be the supporters (presumably) of said countries who are running around raging in this thread and calling everybody racist, it feels as though they might have pissed off the wrong people somehow...


Fixed


lolwtf mate
:lol: As I said.

By the way, how's Israeli news working out for you?

[bailey_187]

how am i angry u silly Immanuel Kant

man was loling

[bailey_187]

lol wtf tho, DPRK made a victory by getting me to type "wtf" on revleft

Kim>>>>>>god

[Crux]

People are forgetting a tangential (possibly unintentional) reason for releasing such a list: to piss off the enemies of socialist countries. Judging by this thread, it looks like it works just fine.
Socialist countries like Iran, am I right, comrade? Yeah what horrible anti-socialists are we to not think China is the happiest country on earth.

[bailey_187]

Socialist countries like Iran, am I right, comrade? Yeah what horrible anti-socialists are we to not think China is the happiest country on earth.

ur prob racist too

[manic expression]

Socialist countries like Iran, am I right, comrade? Yeah what horrible anti-socialists are we to not think China is the happiest country on earth.
Taking the Israeli media's word as gold and jumping on the slightest opportunity to mock and bash communists...yeah, you should be real proud of all your great work. :rolleyes:


ur prob racist too
You mad.

[danyboy27]

Taking the Israeli media's word as gold and jumping on the slightest opportunity to mock and bash communists...yeah, you should be real proud of all your great work. :rolleyes:

I really didnt know that not cheering up a theocracy like Iran meant that we where zionists.

Thanks for pointing that out!

[Bronco]

Taking the Israeli media's word as gold and jumping on the slightest opportunity to mock and bash communists...yeah, you should be real proud of all your great work. :rolleyes:
.

Hang on, first you said it was released to "piss off the enemies of Socialist countries" now you're telling us not to believe it was even released at all?

Which one is it?

[manic expression]

I really didnt know that not cheering up a theocracy like Iran meant that we where zionists.

Thanks for pointing that out!
Cheering up a Zionist source doesn't make you a Zionist...it just gives you a very small chance of being correct.


Hang on, first you said it was released to "piss off the enemies of Socialist countries" now you're telling us not to believe it was even released at all?

Which one is it?
It was a tongue-in-cheek comment.

[Crux]

It was a tongue-in-cheek comment.
Oh right. Sometimes it's hard to tell with you guys.

[Wanted Man]

I wasn't sure whether it was a good idea to make Uncle Sam the Politics mod, but perhaps he will close shite threads like this.

[Yazman]

Fixed

I just warned a user not to make one-word posts followed by a quote. Either make a real post, or don't post at all. Its spam! Don't do it again!

..and Manic Expression, I don't care what its in response to - saying things like "you mad" is trolling. More subtle perhaps, but you're still trolling. Don't do it! Your post would have been just fine without that little addition.

This post constitutes a warning to Hailtothethief for spam, and Manic Expression for trolling.

Addendum: If I see even ONE MORE POST that isn't directly in relation to the subject in the original post, this thread gets closed. Any further off topic or rule-breaking posts will result in infractions. Multiple users have been warned, everybody in here should know by now to cut the crap!

[KC]

Addendum: If I see even ONE MORE POST that isn't directly in relation to the subject in the original post, this thread gets closed.

Does this one count? :)