What gives here?

[HankMorgan]

The pattern has just repeated.

This time it was a sitting Democrat governor in a long time
heavily Democrat state, California, that couldn't even finish
his term. The voters turned out Grey Davis for an actor. A
Republican actor at that. Some say the actor is an idiot.

Before that it was the midterm elections where the President's
party traditionly looses seats in Congress. The Republicans
did well in the midterm election. Some say the current President
is an idiot.

Before that it was the Vice President who couldn't succeed the
President after eight years of prosperity and relative peace
(please ignore the first World Trade Center attack, the African
embassy attacks, the attack on the USS Cole etc). The Vice
President didn't carry his home state or the home state of his
former boss.

Why is it the Democrats keep loosing ground to Republicans,
supposed idiots at that? I ask this question to the denizens of
che-lives (long may it prosper).

Are the Republicans that good? Maybe the Democrats possess the
major suckitude?

Some of you may be saying it's neither. It's the American voter.
Well, why does the American voter tilt away from the Left, repeatedly?

I have my answer to the questions but for entertainment purposes
I'd like to hear your opinions on why thing just keep getting
worse for the D's.

[elijahcraig]

Breeding nationalism breeds hatred towards the more liberal group. I hate both groups, for obvious reasons.

There are many answers to this question, unfortunately, it’s like choosing the “Liberal” Fascists or the Conservative Fascists. It don’t matter much.

[Urban Rubble]

I agree Eli, same shit, different asshole.

[HankMorgan]

Well, I am disappointed. I was hoping for some real soul searching.

Either this crowd is from outside the USA or maybe it's just content to let President Bush win again in November 2004 without giving any thought as to why it will happen.

No joy here.

[Urban Rubble]

I'm from Washington state man. I have suffered under Bush just like every other American. The thing is, the democrats are just better liars and slicker politicians.

Do you not realize that Clinton had a more extensive bombing campaign on Iraq than Bush did ? Do you realize he dropped bombs almost every day of his presidency ?

I will vote for the Dems this year, but only to get Bush out of office. If you think things will change with the Democrats than you are holding onto a pipe dream.

[Pete]

Then why vote democrat? That is like my friends voting Liberal because they hate the Eves/Harris PC government with a burning passion. All it did was put up, as you say, better liars and scandlars.

But what can you do eh?

You can vote with your heart, that is why fringe parties are fringe, or atleast one of the reasons: No one votes for them because they don't think anyone else will vote for them.

The reasoning is selfdefeating.


Anyways before the recalled man was governor California was run by Republicans, hardly a 'long time democrat' stronghold I'd say.

[HankMorgan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 11:47 AM
Anyways before the recalled man was governor California was run by Republicans, hardly a 'long time democrat' stronghold I'd say.
No, Mr. Pete. California almost always goes for the Democrat presidential candidate, its state legislature has a Democrat majority, its Federal representatives and senators are primarily Democrat. California is considered a Democrat bastion.

Arnold taking the governor's mansion in a recall from a Democrat is the political equivalent of storming the Winter Palace. It's huge and it shows the Democrat party still hasn't stemmed the flow blood. The D's haven't found a leader, their ideas (are there any?) aren't selling and they face George Bush a little more than a year from now. The D's can't be feeling good at all.

[Pete]

The "d's" and the "r's" have the same ideas, they are just coming from different assholes.

[redstar2000]

Well, Hank, as I understand it, the "D's" are going to put up a GENERAL against Bush in 2004.

As you know, the last time a general ran for president, he easily defeated his opponent in two elections.

But as to "soul searching", you're asking in the wrong place. Only a small number of people here think the Democrats are any different from the Republicans--as Ralph Nader put it so well, "The difference between Bush and Gore is the speed with which their knees hit the floor when a corporate CEO enters the room".

More importantly, taking the charade of bourgeois elections seriously is a sign of political innocence. Real decisions in a bourgeois "democracy" are not made by elected personalities--like Arnold the Barbarian or George II--but are made behind "closed doors" by appointed officials who are "acceptable" to the ruling class. For example, Alan Greenspan (Federal Reserve Chairman) and his associates are far more powerful than the president and the congress put together.

They never "run for office". They are men of substance, not clowns performing for the cameras.

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[HankMorgan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 08:12 PM
Well, Hank, as I understand it, the "D's" are going to put up a GENERAL against Bush in 2004.

As you know, the last time a general ran for president, he easily defeated his opponent in two elections.

But as to "soul searching", you're asking in the wrong place. Only a small number of people here think the Democrats are any different from the Republicans--as Ralph Nader put it so well, "The difference between Bush and Gore is the speed with which their knees hit the floor when a corporate CEO enters the room".

More importantly, taking the charade of bourgeois elections seriously is a sign of political innocence. Real decisions in a bourgeois "democracy" are not made by elected personalities--like Arnold the Barbarian or George II--but are made behind "closed doors" by appointed officials who are "acceptable" to the ruling class. For example, Alan Greenspan (Federal Reserve Chairman) and his associates are far more powerful than the president and the congress put together.

They never "run for office". They are men of substance, not clowns performing for the cameras.

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The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas
OK, OK...I accept that you don't see any difference between the Democrats and the Republicans. The people of che-lives (long may it prosper) have spoken.

I accept it but there's no way I'll ever understand it. In my mind there's only a difference of degree between a Democrat and a Communist. To me they're just different flavors of the Left.

Republicans don't always get it right either. The Republicans control the Presidency and Congress. Spending should be going down yet it's gone through the roof. I know what it's like to wish for a third party.