What is a "Tankie" Marxist-Leninist?

[The Man]

I don't know what it is..

[Blake's Baby]

I think it's one that approved the sending of tanks to crush the Hungarian Uprising of 1956 and/or the Prague Spring in 1968.

[PhoenixAsh]

Its a derogatory term for members/sympathisers of the CP who followed the Kremlin line and defended it like there was no tomorrow.

[Sasha]

as an wise man once said:


tankie is an slur for ML's who either glorify the USSR supression of the hungary or chech uprisings (as in "sent in the tanks"), ML's who just cant shut up about USSR weaponry (huhr hurh T-34 and kalishnikov huhr huhr) or ML's who seem to get their main political insperation from playing too much command and conquer red-alert.

most tankies seem to fit all 3 catogeries at once

:D

[GPDP]

IMO tankies can't even be called Leninists. They're just people with a fetish for Soviet paraphernalia, weaponry, and Command and Conquer.

To witness these specimens in their natural environment, head on over to soviet-empire.com, then promptly return with a newfound appreciation for Revleft's Leninists.

[Leo]

Tankie was a term used to describe the members of European CPs who were supporting the Russian line against the tendency within these parties called "Eurocommunism". This faction-fighting was unrelated to Russians crushing the Hungarian workers' revolt in 1956, but had some relation to the Russians crushing the Prague spring in 1968.

[Return to the Source]

It's just a pejorative assigned to Marxist-Leninists by Trotskyites and left-communists who sympathize with and support counter-revolutionary movements, like Hungary in 1956 or Tiananmen Square in 1989. If a group of people numbering 100 or more get together in a socialist country, regardless of their ties to imperialist forces or counter-revolutionary forces, these Trots and left-commies automatically assume that they have some revolutionary character. When Marxist-Leninists crush these counter-revolutionary movements--as is the case in a dictatorship of the proletariat--they are referred to as 'tankies'.

[Hebrew Hammer]

And here I thought it was just those whom like to jack off to Soviet/red militaria.

[Rooster]

What do you do when the lunatics refuse to take baths?

[caramelpence]

It's just a pejorative assigned to Marxist-Leninists by Trotskyites and left-communists who sympathize with and support counter-revolutionary movements, like Hungary in 1956 or Tiananmen Square in 1989. If a group of people numbering 100 or more get together in a socialist country, regardless of their ties to imperialist forces or counter-revolutionary forces, these Trots and left-commies automatically assume that they have some revolutionary character. When Marxist-Leninists crush these counter-revolutionary movements--as is the case in a dictatorship of the proletariat--they are referred to as 'tankies'.

Incidentally, what do you make of the fact that at the time of the Tiananmen crackdown, the Soviet Union gave one of the largest estimates concerning the number of protesters who had been killed, and was overall critical of the Chinese government's actions? Overall, given that you apparently think that both China and the Soviet Union were socialist countries throughout their existences and that the death of Stalin and Mao did not mark regrettable changes in political direction, what do you make of the Sino-Soviet Split - do you think that it had a material basis or do you just think it was something that could and should have been resolved through dialogue?

[black magick hustla]

It's just a pejorative assigned to Marxist-Leninists by Trotskyites and left-communists who sympathize with and support counter-revolutionary movements, like Hungary in 1956 or Tiananmen Square in 1989. If a group of people numbering 100 or more get together in a socialist country, regardless of their ties to imperialist forces or counter-revolutionary forces, these Trots and left-commies automatically assume that they have some revolutionary character. When Marxist-Leninists crush these counter-revolutionary movements--as is the case in a dictatorship of the proletariat--they are referred to as 'tankies'.

1) why are all marcytes enamoured with black imagery and black culture. nothing wrong of course, especially if you are black but it seems to me to be just pure posturing i.e. white backpackers.

2) when did cold war realpolitik because relevant when the USSR is dead, you guys are dragging a corpse

[Return to the Source]

Why do you consider me a "Marcyite"?

[∞]

It's just a pejorative assigned to Marxist-Leninists by Trotskyites and left-communists who sympathize with and support counter-revolutionary movements, like Hungary in 1956 or Tiananmen Square in 1989. If a group of people numbering 100 or more get together in a socialist country, regardless of their ties to imperialist forces or counter-revolutionary forces, these Trots and left-commies automatically assume that they have some revolutionary character. When Marxist-Leninists crush these counter-revolutionary movements--as is the case in a dictatorship of the proletariat--they are referred to as 'tankies'.

Wow, many of these uprisings where held by leftists. Have you not forgotten LUkacs and the protestors at TImmamen square? If you're talking about 1989 then I'll have you know that Deng's capitalist reforms were part of the reason why there was a revolt. At that time 5,000 fervent specialists attended.

[black magick hustla]

Why do you consider me a "Marcyite"?

the black avatar, the defense of both ussr and chinese realpolitik because everybody else chose sides

[Return to the Source]

That's a very persuasive argument. I might have to accept my new label and change my org affiliation.

[caramelpence]

That's a very persuasive argument. I might have to accept my new label and change my org affiliation.

I asked you a question above, and you still haven't responded to my critique of your trashy article here (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2118689&postcount=24), despite asserting that no-one had read it and posed a developed critique.

[Chimurenga.]

1) why are all marcytes enamoured with black imagery and black culture. nothing wrong of course, especially if you are black but it seems to me to be just pure posturing i.e. white backpackers.

What are you even blabbing about?

[Jose Gracchus]

1) why are all marcytes enamoured with black imagery and black culture. nothing wrong of course, especially if you are black but it seems to me to be just pure posturing i.e. white backpackers.

2) when did cold war realpolitik because relevant when the USSR is dead, you guys are dragging a corpse

Dude, thank you. I swear every Brezhnevite/Marcyite I met in the activist ghetto was a white middle class kid eager to show how broad and deep his taste in hip hop is, how profound his knowledge of Malcolm X and the Black Panthers were, and how much they play street ball with black kids and how much they watch pro bball with them...it always struck me as really forced.

[☭The Revolution☭]

What is a tankie leninist? That's easy... me :D

[∞]

What is a tankie leninist? That's easy... me :D

As you can tell from his avatar and hammer and sickles on his username.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Dude, thank you. I swear every Brezhnevite/Marcyite I met in the activist ghetto was a white middle class kid eager to show how broad and deep his taste in hip hop is, how profound his knowledge of Malcolm X and the Black Panthers were, and how much they play street ball with black kids and how much they watch pro bball with them...it always struck me as really forced.
cool story bro.



let me know when you meet more.

edit: also, to be on topic. its people who love this crap:
i wouldnt doubt they also love to look up nude russian women with ushankas and kalashnikovs. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_eLvJ_7Yzie8/TQcBXeaz52I/AAAAAAAAAD8/QJuZUz-k5AM/s1600/Command_and_Conquer-_Red_Alert_3.jpg
more sickles and hammers than fucking revleft. its stupefying!



now, i LOVE strategy games. but i am so goddamn glad i never played this shit series. live action, what the fuck.

[El Oso Rojo]

Dude, thank you. I swear every Brezhnevite/Marcyite I met in the activist ghetto was a white middle class kid eager to show how broad and deep his taste in hip hop is, how profound his knowledge of Malcolm X and the Black Panthers were, and how much they play street ball with black kids and how much they watch pro bball with them...it always struck me as really forced.

That is an unfair statement, Francis Villar is a PSL actvist from New York, who is a single Black Latino mother, and another activist from the PSL who had lived in a shelter and we have members who are poor emigrants, who have been victims of the ICE raids.

[Savage]

It's just a pejorative assigned to Marxist-Leninists by Trotskyites and left-communists who sympathize with and support counter-revolutionary movements, like Hungary in 1956

'All Power to the Soviets' must be the war cry of the Imperialists.

[∞]

but i am so goddamn glad i never played this shit series. live action, what the fuck.

The third one is the only one that sucked, the other two where actually pretty good.

[La Comédie Noire]

We know that tankies are mostly middle class kids in the first world nations, but I'm interested as to who the tankies are in the ex soviet bloc countries?

[Chimurenga.]

Dude, thank you. I swear every Brezhnevite/Marcyite I met in the activist ghetto was a white middle class kid eager to show how broad and deep his taste in hip hop is, how profound his knowledge of Malcolm X and the Black Panthers were, and how much they play street ball with black kids and how much they watch pro bball with them...it always struck me as really forced.

LOL. You're so full of shit.

Also, if you're meeting PSL members who meet that description, swag. That's all I've got to say.

[Rusty Shackleford]

LOL. You're so full of shit.

Also, if you're meeting PSL members who meet that description, swag. That's all I've got to say.
ok, i gotta ask. i see "swag" everywhere. wtf is it?

[Crux]

If you're talking about 1989 then I'll have you know that Deng's capitalist reforms were part of the reason why there was a revolt.
Which, to this guy, would only be further proof of their reactionary-ness.

From his blog:
China is a socialist country and is arguably the most economically successful in history. That realization carries tremendous magnitude and should push Marxist-Leninists to seriously study the model and the works of Deng Xiaoping. Even today, other socialist countries are experimenting with variations of China’s model and see similar successes. If Deng’s concept of market socialism is a correct policy for proletarian states facing severely underdeveloped productive forces, then revolutionaries must recognize him as a significant contributor to Marxism-Leninism.

[...]

Long live the universal contributions of Deng Xiaoping to Marxism-Leninism!


So yeah, OP you were wondering what a Tankie is...

This is also a pretty good article on the issue. (http://kasamaproject.org/2011/06/15/the-problem-with-grim-tankie-fantasies/)

[Blake's Baby]

We know that tankies are mostly middle class kids in the first world nations, but I'm interested as to who the tankies are in the ex soviet bloc countries?

Funny, I thought in the west they were mostly old men in bad suits who smoked and remembered the good old days when delegations of miners used to go on fraternal visits and visit the Glorious People's Palaces of Cultures of all Nations and stuff and then come back with little badges and moan about how everything is better in the USSR and Brezhnev was right to send in ther tanks.

Maybe they're all dead now, I don't go to many M-L meetings these days.

[Wanted Man]

What is a tankie?

http://www.openmarket.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/strawman.jpg

Ah, there's one just now.


Funny, I thought in the west they were mostly old men in bad suits who smoked and remembered the good old days when delegations of miners used to go on fraternal visits and visit the Glorious People's Palaces of Cultures of all Nations and stuff and then come back with little badges and moan about how everything is better in the USSR and Brezhnev was right to send in ther tanks.

Maybe they're all dead now, I don't go to many M-L meetings these days.

I hope so. Those fucking miners.

[Octavian]

To witness these specimens in their natural environment, head on over to soviet-empire.com, then promptly return with a newfound appreciation for Revleft's Leninists.
http://www.soviet-empire.com/ussr/viewtopic.php?f=118&t=50480
Holy shit mind blown and brain cells being burned at the stake. These people are the communists ruining the proletariat's ascension.

[Blake's Baby]

...
I hope so. Those fucking miners.

Miners are all right, it's communists that are full of shit.

[Jose Gracchus]

LOL. You're so full of shit.

Also, if you're meeting PSL members who meet that description, swag. That's all I've got to say.

I didn't say "all PSL members are [blank]" now did I? I mostly knew FRSOites, a couple were Hispanic, an immigrant or two. Mostly white kids with big egos though. They had indistinguishable politics from PSL though.

[The Vegan Marxist]

the black avatar

I'm sorry if I'm mistaken in this assumption, but are you calling Return to the Source a "marcyite" because, as you claim, of his "black avatar"? Does anyone else see this as borderline racist?

[Jose Gracchus]

Try harder to grind your ax

[∞]

Tankies are just a pain in the ass and fetishists who paste hammers and sickles all over their myspace and youtube account. Thats all that needs to be said. Here are a few examples. (None of these are RL users and belong completely in the public domain).

http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/images/f/fa/Communism.jpg

Heres the opposite of the "Tankie" many refer to them as "Anarkiddies":
Just as bad, but they also have a fetish for burning flags and screaming "FUK DA POHLICE!"

http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/images/9/9f/Janiceflag.jpg

Note how stupid both these pictures look, you don't want to be this.

[∞]

And if you still don't know what a tankie is, then heres some tankie porn:

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[Red Future]

And if you still don't know what a tankie is, then heres some tankie porn:

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The Youtube comments pages on these Videos are exclusivity dominated by Tankies

Oh and that is low quality tankie excite material .....this is more like it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp6cB7BGj48

[Bright Banana Beard]

No Motherland Without You is quite a hit among the "tankies."

[Crux]

I'm sorry if I'm mistaken in this assumption, but are you calling Return to the Source a "marcyite" because, as you claim, of his "black avatar"? Does anyone else see this as borderline racist?
No, it's calling out posturing.

[El Oso Rojo]

No, it's calling out posturing.

Its call just being plain rude and have you all even meet each other in real to say those things? No, You would not like if, I make statements like that to you.

[black magick hustla]

LOL. You're so full of shit.

Also, if you're meeting PSL members who meet that description, swag. That's all I've got to say.

lol thats not swag thats being caught in the late eighties early nineties if by sawg you mean a sausage fest then we have dif. definitions ofr swag

[ZeroNowhere]

I'm sorry if I'm mistaken in this assumption, but are you calling Return to the Source a "marcyite" because, as you claim, of his "black avatar"? Does anyone else see this as borderline racist?No, I am not aware of any people who see that as borderline racist.

[Savage]

No, I am not aware of any people who see that as borderline racist.

Probably because you are a racist.

[Omsk]

Its just a used up unimaginative nickname for hardliners.(Involved with Soviet interventions)

[Rusty Shackleford]

First task of proletarian revolution, removal and obliteration of that song and anything referencing it. it is a terrible song.

"hell march" i mean.

[Chris]

First task of proletarian revolution, removal and obliteration of that song and anything referencing it. it is a terrible song.

"hell march" i mean.
I don't really see what is so terrible about it? It's pretty good for video game music. And even if only a fraction of those who like military fetishisation to the tune of Hell March actually become revolutionary leftists, then we really shouldn't oppose it.

[Rusty Shackleford]

no, the song sucks. balls. hard.

crap bass line, stupid audio samples and bleh.

[☭The Revolution☭]

*sits back and listens as all the new-agers in this thread make fun of and diss the faction that made communism happen in the 20th century*

[Coggeh]

Originally Posted by psycho
tankie is an slur for ML's who either glorify the USSR supression of the hungary or chech uprisings (as in "sent in the tanks"), ML's who just cant shut up about USSR weaponry (huhr hurh T-34 and kalishnikov huhr huhr) or ML's who seem to get their main political insperation from playing too much command and conquer red-alert.

most tankies seem to fit all 3 catogeries at once


I can't stop fucking laughing:lol: Holy shit!

[Coggeh]

*sits back and listens as all the new-agers in this thread make fun of and diss the faction that made communism happen in the 20th century*

Even if one were an ML they couldn't claim to have made communism "happen" in the 20th century. The USSR was a state, Communism is stateless. Stalin was not the leader of the 1917 revolution in fact he played a minor role, if you were to try and push your claim it would be more easier to say Trotskyism was responsible for the Russia revolution. But we don't make that claim. It was the Neither really.

[∞]

*sits back and listens as all the new-agers in this thread make fun of and diss the faction that made communism happen in the 20th century*


*made communism happen

*made communism happen
*made communism happen

http://cdn2.knowyourmeme.com/system/icons/5545/original/OpoQQ.jpg?1302279173

[El Oso Rojo]

We know that tankies are mostly middle class kids in the first world nations, but I'm interested as to who the tankies are in the ex soviet bloc countries?

I am a "tankie" and I am on welfare, looking for work and my friend is a "tankie" he poor, have no water, heat, electric, etc. :rolleyes:

So your generalization can get hit by the cross town bus. :mad:

[Crux]

Probably because you are a racist.
Hahahahaha. You got thanked by TVM. Oh the hilarity. Yeah I *suspect* you were not being serious.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Doesn't matter if he was being serious or not, I still agree with the statement. He was being racist and I see no other reason in stating such a racially-driven comment.

[Jose Gracchus]

Lovin the white guy from NC tellin the brownies bout all that racism.

[☭The Revolution☭]

Racism isn't just a product of white people - it goes both ways. Get the fuck over it.