What if?

[Dunk]

I'm not trying to be dramatic about this, and although I know this thread may seem a bit so and possibly a bit premature, I think the pessimism is quickly ebbing concerning the conditions for revolt in Greece.

I wanted to ask some important questions to get everyone's feedback.

What if an overthrow occurs?

1. Who should we meet with in order to decide how we; our worker organizations, socialist organizations and anarchist groups can genuinely aid (rather than sit back and watch, or critique from afar) the working class in Greece should it overthrow the state?

2. If our party encircles parliament and moves to overthrow the Greek state, or does so so rapidly the Greek security forces cannot respond quickly enough, I think it's very likely the Greek military would bring about martial law, and should it fail, some international military force would invade under the guise of "restoring order". What can we do to stop this eventuality? How far should we go to stop it?

3. If these are the wrong questions, what are the right questions?

[tachosomoza]

1.) Whoever they put in charge.

2.) We really aren't strong enough to tangle with the Greek security forces or the international military forces. Are you ready to die for this shit? I sure as hell am not. We're still too fragmented and unorganized to have real IRL physical power. If they intervene, I think we should stick to protesting and using numbers to put pressure on them. Also, direct action never hurts.

[Dunk]

1.) Whoever they put in charge.

2.) We really aren't strong enough to tangle with the Greek security forces or the international military forces. Are you ready to die for this shit? I sure as hell am not. We're still too fragmented and unorganized to have real IRL physical power. If they intervene, I think we should stick to protesting and using numbers to put pressure on them. Also, direct action never hurts.

I should have rephrased the question to be a bit clearer and sound less theatrical. I meant more along the lines of "What can we do to prevent our governments from becoming involved in action against the movement, and how far should we go?" Obviously we should resist, but how can we organize resistance to it? What groups or coalition of groups have organized the big anti-war protests in the past? Though in the event of such outcomes, one or two protests isn't going to do it. It needs to be constant. Of course, the popular will to resist will have to be there, we can't just synthesize it. I know a lot of people will roll their eyes or laugh when I say this, but I don't think Americans have much apathy left in regards to the wars. If public perception is that our government is involving itself in another war (or possibly a NATO action to 'restore order'), I think it's going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Maybe I'm too optimistic. :(

[Leftsolidarity]

"What can we do to prevent our governments from becoming involved in action against the movement, and how far should we go?"

As far as they would force us to go to defend fellow comrades :ninja:

[tachosomoza]

I should have rephrased the question to be a bit clearer and sound less theatrical. I meant more along the lines of "What can we do to prevent our governments from becoming involved in action against the movement, and how far should we go?" Obviously we should resist, but how can we organize resistance to it? What groups or coalition of groups have organized the big anti-war protests in the past?

I thought you meant that we should pick up guns and buy tickets to Greece. :lol:

The SDS was the main organization back in the '60s for both anti-war and civil rights action. I'd think direct actions like what they did back then (marches, occupation of government buildings, etc.) would be a good start.

[Leftsolidarity]

I thought you meant that we should pick up guns and buy tickets to Greece. :lol:

The SDS was the main organization back in the '60s for both anti-war and civil rights action. I'd think direct actions like what they did back then (marches, occupation of government buildings, etc.) would be a good start.

The first part's not a bad idea hahaha

But yeah, following a model close to the SDS would be a good idea only it would have to be worked out to fit present day conditions. Like the fact that America would not be sending thousands of kids to die in the Jungles of some far away enemy. I think that it would be good to spread info on what is actually happening and why it would be suppressed and try to form a feeling of solidarity between Greek and American workers.

Btw Dunk, I see you're also in the SPUSA. That might be a good way to start organizing.

[tachosomoza]

I'm a felon, I can't leave the country with my real ID. :(

[Leftsolidarity]

I'm a felon, I can't leave the country with my real ID. :(

Hahaha why are there so many god damn felons on here???

[tachosomoza]

Hahaha why are there so many god damn felons on here???

I thought I was the only one. :confused:

[Leftsolidarity]

I thought I was the only one. :confused:


Then you aren't looking hard enough. I've run into quite a few.

[tachosomoza]

Then you aren't looking hard enough. I've run into quite a few.

At least I'm the only black felon! :D

I hope...

But seriously, we need to look to the past, borrow methods and adapt them to 2011.