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Ocean Seal
14th June 2011, 16:52
My question is for those who believe that following the Secret Speech that Khrushchev gave the Soviet Union became both social-imperialist and state-capitalist. What exactly did he do which made it such. Aside from his defamation of Stalin was there anything he did in particular to his foreign policy that made it imperialist or his policy of production which made it state-capitalist. This is strictly from a Hoxhaist perspective of state-capitalist and revisionist rather than a Trotskyist or Libertarian one.

Marxach-Léinínach
14th June 2011, 17:00
My question is for those who believe that following the Secret Speech that Khrushchev gave the Soviet Union became both social-imperialist and state-capitalist. What exactly did he do which made it such. Aside from his defamation of Stalin was there anything he did in particular to his foreign policy that made it imperialist or his policy of production which made it state-capitalist. This is strictly from a Hoxhaist perspective of state-capitalist and revisionist rather than a Trotskyist or Libertarian one.

It was guys like Kosygin who did the economic stuff. Khrushchov's main contributions were stuff like killing and purging all the Marxist-Leninists in the CPSU, having guys like Boleslaw Bierut and Klement Gottwald killed, trying to have Kim Il-sung couped, declaring that the dictatorship of the proletariat was "no longer necessary", introducing the "socialist division of labour" which in reality reduced most of the socialist bloc into neo-colonies for the Russian SFSR etc.

Ocean Seal
14th June 2011, 17:05
It was guys like Kosygin who did the economic stuff. Khrushchov's main contributions were stuff like declaring that the dictatorship of the proletariat was "no longer necessary" and introducing the "socialist division of labour" which in reality reduced most of the socialist bloc into neo-colonies for the Russian SFSR
In that case, what exactly did Kosygin do? I guess by what I mean by what did Khrushchev do I mean what happened under Khrushchev's administration that made the USSR state-capitalist/social-imperialist. And second question what is the socialist division of labor and how exactly did it make the Eastern bloc into USSR neo-colonies? Is that why Enver Hoxha and Mao Tse-Tung split apart from the Soviet Union?

Marxach-Léinínach
14th June 2011, 17:39
In that case, what exactly did Kosygin do
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1965_Soviet_economic_reform

And second question what is the socialist division of labor and how exactly did it make the Eastern bloc into USSR neo-colonies?
Take Cuba for example. Khrushchov told them not to bother industrialising and just continue having growing sugar as the main aspect of the economy. It worked out alright while the USSR was around but not so much after 1991. In short it undermined the independence of all the socialist countries.

Is that why Enver Hoxha and Mao Tse-Tung split apart from the Soviet Union?
Enver Hoxha split with the Soviets because of their revisionism (although I'd bet the Yugoslavia-Albania rivalry figured into it just a teeny bit). Mao noted the Soviets' revisionism but at the same time he kinda liked the fact that Stalin's personality cult was being dismantled (even if it was for all the wrong reasons). The Sino-Soviet split was sparked off more by Khrushchov trying to interfere in internal Chinese affairs during the Great Leap Forward and stuff.

Jose Gracchus
15th June 2011, 03:02
Remember, Stalin's massive robbery of industrial materiel and even slave labor from its conquests, that wasn't neo-colonialism.

Imposter Marxist
15th June 2011, 05:05
Remember, Stalin's massive robbery of industrial materiel and even slave labor from its conquests, that wasn't neo-colonialism.

words have meanings

Ismail
15th June 2011, 06:30
http://www.mltranslations.org/Britain/SovietBB.htm
http://www.marx2mao.com/Other/RCSU75.html

Those two are good reads on the subject.