Enough talk, what can we do for action?

[Kez]

Hey all
Im 16 and frankly after 16 years of analysing life i have come to the conclusion that this world needs change.

We all know here that we need change, and to a certain extent we think that we can. But how can we?

We come onto these computers, then once we have finished expressing our opinions we may go to the living room and watch TV, this my friends just sums up our lives. Why dont we the workers
"unite, as we have noting to lose but our chains"
We must either progress without hesitation or surrender all arms. Can anyone of you imagine Che thinking of his revolutionary ideas then socialising with his comrades in a nike shirt, or drinking a budweiser beer or watching CNN propaganda? NO. We must all unite under the banner of the left and organise so if not our generation, the next will be able to enjoy the fruits of the freedom from exploitation. So that they will not feel pressure from peers to buy Nike Shit or Gap bollocks.

We can all start by doing SOMETHING
"all according to their ability"
Using the internet we can create websites spewing revolutionaty ideas. We can all create a communist purse where we can create communist or socialist radio and tv stations. IT IS POSSIBLE. One thing we must not do is to believe that someone somewhere else will start a revolution someday maybe. We musnt sit back and imagine a world where we were all free from slavery of capitalism. We must take action NOW.

This thread i hope will be used to post sites and ideas to make change in this screwed world

Power to the soviets
Kamo

Please Please paste your revolutionary ideas
Im also on MSN
[email protected]
feel free to add me to ur contact lists

[Chancho]

You make the false assumption that posting here indicates non-action in life. Wrong.

I am...
former union organiser
current law student
activist
...and many other things that make an actual difference to actual people and living creatures - volunteer, vegetarian, consumer exercising my voice in various ways including not purchasing 'labels' or 'brands' - with the notable exception of Birkenstock shoes to which I am addicted (they all come in leather alternatives so that satisfies my respect for animals principle).

Revolution must begin with the self. I actively seek to revolutionise my self through education, honesty, action, independent reasoning and application of ethical principles. You might start by eliminating generalisations and assumptions in your thinking.

[Anonymous]

hi how are u :)

i think u make some confusions in your call to revolution but please stick around for sound disscution is an importante element in when atempting to form an opinion about the issues of our world and society.

as for activism it is an individual choise as is the form and way in which you chose to intervine in your society. Many here are fairly active other not i dont think that its that importante, just being informed responsible and voting in consience in think covers your duty to society. Activism above that is your individual choise and perogative.

hope you like Che-lives forums;)

[Kez]

Maybe its my romantic and nostalgic look of life,
But as i see it we cnanot continue to live under such slavery and we must break free. we must create a society in which we can live peacefully and freely. How can we organise it so?
In respect to people here making no change, that was not what i meant. I realise that anyone who posts messages here at leasts wants change. But i also wrote the thread so that guests also churn their brains to see what can be done.
Maybe its human nature that one person (elite) must rule over others. IE one person must organise a revolt then others will follow, but surely looking at the past the only way forward is united?

Kamo

[Drifter]

where are you from Tav'?

[Kez]

im from Cheshire,
u?

[Kez]

What i mean is that we have to take active action against the forces of capitalism
Its us vs them and we must become victorious
"Hasta La Victoria Siempre"
"Ever onwards towards Victory"-Che

We must follow these words
When CHe said "Shoot me you cowrads for all you are shooting is a man" is that we must continue his legacy. We must Defeat "Yankee Imperialism" and destroy capitalism. Capitalism is turning us into sludge. But the will never do this to the active working class who is aware of what is going around him/her self

Long live the revolution!

[Guest]

I agree completely , the time for change is now . I am tired of talk , in a world where action is what changes this world constantly . The capitalist take what ever means necessary to accomplish their goals , but we live by guidelines and theories , which makes change impossible unless someone puts those into action . Battle is neither good nor bad , it is beautiful how humans fight for their survival but in the end the greatest beauty is unity its self . Unity is necessary , and this world must change or else those who are weak or unwilling to fight will suffer . War is horrible , change is wonderful , and tohse willign to fight are powerful .
Shadow Of A Bleeding Rose

[revolutionary spirit]

i think through discussion you arrive at the point of a revolution,and i don't think that point has arrived,for one majority support the attacks on afghanisthan and r unaware of the hypocrisy,and until they r shown this through free will,like we have seen,then the time for the revolution will be ready.But i agree that the social climate for a revolution is good,but not good enough

[Drifter]

personally i'm just happy that the upper class are gone, next, the arristocracy have to go.

[Kez]

Does any1 know any news of the upcoming mayday in London?

Are there any activists group websites ica check out?

I believe that we have done enough wish washy talk, now there must be a call to revolution!

Comrade Kamo

[Drifter]

i'll try to be there,,
looking forward to it

[Kez]

If anyone has any ideas on how to create a 3rd internationale email me
[email protected]
or
[email protected] <==i think is bust

We can create little communities around the globe using the internet. Why dont we

[Moskitto]

I think we need better organization and the communities idea is a good one. But surely it would be the 5th International.

[Kez]

I am going to start a sort of third internationale where through websites around the world people can come together and organise change and reform
for more detail and if u want to help email me
[email protected]

Comrade Kamo

[Kez]

Using other peoples opinions and my own views i have started a website to be webring of the 5thInternational,
It is something that people who make very good leftist website will be able to use to get more clicks etc, the idea is that people around the world will be able to reform their governments using socialist knowledge around the globe

We have nothing to lose but our chains and the world to gain! Support the 5th international

[Chief Rebel Angel]

umm..what is a <number>international ?

[Kez]

The number before the international is like the attempt to create an international (worldwide socialist world)
Lenins was the 3rd

[Chief Rebel Angel]

i c.. so if this is the fifth, then what was the forth? (excuse my ignorance on this topic)

[Kez]

I dont know ask moskitto what the 4th international was
Rebel if you want to join the international create a great website then i will branch u in my site

[Chief Rebel Angel]

actually, i'm working on a site now... but i dont know how it'll turn out... a socialist world does not allow religion does it?

[Kez]

i dont think that religion is banned in socialism, just that many socialists are athiests
Apart form Christian Socialists who show how socialism and Christianity are parrallel and one, but i dont recall Marx talking about Religion in much detail.

Comrade, once you get your website up tell me the Url and i will link it to the 5th Internationale

Also get msn messanger then we can chat
[email protected]

[gooddoctor]

um drifter, where have the upper class gone? are you living in a world where everyone's equal? it's funny because i thought you were english. the upper class is alive and well, don't be fooled by blairite rhetoric. just ask yourself if workers control the means of production, if we are still in danger of enviromental destruction, if pensioners are cared for properly by the state, if everyone has a home, if everyone has access to decent healthcare, if wealth is spread proportionately throughout society, if everyone is well educated, if the media tells it how it is and isn't influenced by private interests. if you can't answer yes to all of these questions then we still have an upper class. maybe we call them capitalists these days, but sadly they are very much alive.
and to go back to what you are talking about tavareesh, the anti-capitalist movement is well underway. i belong to the scottish socialist party and the glasgow university justice not war coalition. i have been campaigning tirelessly for both since the new imperialist war began and we have made leaps and bounds thanks to blair's ridiculous adventure. we already have one member of the scottish parliament, the legendary tommy sheridan (i'd highly recommend his book "imagine" which lays out our plans for the future independant socialist scotland and criticises globalisation) who was arrested on monday for protesting against nuclear arms at faslane sub den near glasgow. i was there too and it was a great day for peace loving people. in the next election we hope to send atleast five or six more socialists with him.
you should get affiliated to your local socialist party too if you want to get active - they will point you in the right direction.
on the subject of the international, don't they already have one? i don't think it's much good though, they're all stuck in the past. we have to look forward. globalise resistance is the new international and much more in tune with what's going on today. it's a huge movement which all socialist parties and anti-capitalist organisations are affiliated to. they are coordinating the current rounds of anti-capitalist protests and were involved most recently in genoa at the epicentre of the demo. they aren't hard to find, but i can help if you want.
don't worry, you don't have to go out and create your own movement, you're not alone in thinking that the world is fundamentally wrong. the war against capitalism has already begun!!!

[AgustoSandino]

i dont think that religion is banned in socialism, just that many socialists are athiests -Tavereesh
Well when not outright banned and persecuted as in the USSR, CHINA, NORTH KOREA, CAMBODIA, CUBA, and ROMANIA, it is heavily controlled by the state like in USSR, CHINA, NORTH KOREA, CAMBODIA CUBA, ROMANIA, S.E. ASIA, and Eastern Europe

i dont recall Marx talking about Religion in much detail. -tavereesh

actually you're somewhat right, Marx did not talk about religion in detail, rather he made a broad generalization about it all and set up his system in contrast to it.

[gooddoctor]

so what if the socialist state does control institutionalised religion? it doesn't stop people worshipping whatever they want, just stops the church abusing its power.

[Kez]

I have had some replies to my request on building an leftist webring
Please help create this International
I need really good leftist websites

Comrade Kamo

[gooddoctor]

try www.resist.org.uk and also, www.greenleft.org.au is probably the best leftist news source i know of.

(Edited by gooddoctor at 1:00 am on Oct. 27, 2001)

[Kez]

Comrades I hope to unvail to you the 5th international by this sunday
Although thinking about it, when was the November revolution? I could unvail it then, that would be pretty cool, ive got a feeling its pretty soon so if you could plz reply soon. Cheers

Comrade Kamo

[sabre]

so what if the socialist state does control institutionalised religion? it doesn't stop people worshipping whatever they want, just stops the church abusing its power.

Well said Gooddoctor