do you think tony should resine

[katie mccready]

i think he should he is just trying to get in the history books now and should resine. i whant to now what you think

[Ian]

Katie, who is tony? please explain a bit more.


I think the exact thing about Tony as you, funny about that eh? How conveniently diplomatic.

[katie mccready]

Originally posted by Ian [email protected] 8 2003, 12:16 PM
Katie, who is tony? please explain a bit more.


I think the exact thing about Tony as you, funny about that eh? How conveniently diplomatic.
tony blair

[Ian]

Well now that I know who Tony is I can comment further, I think he is nothing but a piece of crap. He should definately resign, but I doubt he will.

[katie mccready]

yer he should he is just crap. we should have a new leader. just to throw in a small point the laber party was origenly communist.

[Ian]

Well yes it was moderately left-wing, and sure there have been a few communists in it over the years, but it has never been a marxist party, communists have always been the minority of the British Labour Party and the only time communists have made any ground while working within it was when they became crypto-marxist, according to many comrades on the british left, and called themselves the 'militant' faction.

[El Commandante]

If Blair wants to keep any kind of his diminishing credibility then he needs to resign - but I doubt that he will - 1 - He is incredibly egotistically - he would prefer to go out in a blaze of media glory rather than step down quietly.
2 - He believes he has done nothing wrong - his no reverse speech at the Labour conference proves this
3 - He doesn't want Gordon Brown to become leader
4 - Political common sense says he won't resign because it would leave a massive power vacuum in the party - Brown, Blunkett, Straw and perhaps even Cook fighting for leadership would tear the party apart - especially being close to an election.

What is more likely is he will win the next election (shame) and then resign soon after like Thatcher did in 1992 under pressure.

[katie mccready]

ok

[Invader Zim]

No I dont think he should resign, I think he should be taken to the lowest dungeon in the tower of London and have his finger nails pulled out before taking cyanide.

[Saint-Just]

Perhaps Enigma. Or we could re-open our coal mines and work 20 hours a day mining coal so that he may repay some of his debt to society.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 8 2003, 04:44 PM
Perhaps Enigma. Or we could re-open our coal mines and work 20 hours a day mining coal so that he may repay some of his debt to society.
20 hour day??? WTF common being a bit leniant arent we? 25 hour day mate... :D

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by Enigma+Oct 8 2003, 03:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Enigma @ Oct 8 2003, 03:54 PM)
Chairman [email protected] 8 2003, 04:44 PM
Perhaps Enigma. Or we could re-open our coal mines and work 20 hours a day mining coal so that he may repay some of his debt to society.
20 hour day??? WTF common being a bit leniant arent we? 25 hour day mate... :D [/b]
:lol: we really are the closet Stalinist aren&#39;t we Enigma.

[Dhul Fiqar]

Tony Blair should be shot in the face.

--- G.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

I agree with Dhul.

[FabFabian]

The thing that annoys me the most about Tony Blair, is that the man is so desperate...desperate to be liked or loved by the people. The man has no guts.

[(*]

I don&#39;t believe in the Death Penalty...but the leaders of the pro-war countries should be in the Hague.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Chairman Mao+Oct 8 2003, 09:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chairman Mao @ Oct 8 2003, 09:28 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2003, 03:54 PM

Chairman [email protected] 8 2003, 04:44 PM
Perhaps Enigma. Or we could re-open our coal mines and work 20 hours a day mining coal so that he may repay some of his debt to society.
20 hour day??? WTF common being a bit leniant arent we? 25 hour day mate... :D
:lol: we really are the closet Stalinist aren&#39;t we Enigma. [/b]
day by day i am becoming the thing I fear most... a totalitarian. :D (J.K) I still havent passed over to the dark side.

[katie mccready]

wow look at all the posts. this so called man relly pisses everyone off

[Danton]

Unfortunatley no-one gave any concrete reasons why he should resign..

Just regurgitated bile and near hysterical hatred towards a man who has just ridden (successfully) the biggest wave in his political career... And emerged relativley unscathed and - following Gordon Browns clumsy little speech - has (quite brilliantly) affirmed his position within New Labour....

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 03:50 PM
Unfortunatley no-one gave any concrete reasons why he should resign..

Just regurgitated bile and near hysterical hatred towards a man who has just ridden (successfully) the biggest wave in his political career... And emerged relativley unscathed and - following Gordon Browns clumsy little speech - has (quite brilliantly) affirmed his position within New Labour....
Wel Danton. Mosy of us are socialists and therefore have little interest in bourgeois politics. But as an analysis I would suggest that Tony Blair has not broken any conventions of our constitution so much so that he should resign, that being the only thought of why he would resign.

The fact is we think he should be executed or imprisoned. We do not care whether he resigns since it will have little affect on us socialists.

But, taking the question seriously, as I said, (that is looking at it in the bourgeois context), no I do not think he should resign.

We have given him our consent to rule and I do not believe he has done anything vastly contrary to what most people expected him to do.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Blair can do no more to try and get his popularity back to what it was when New Labour first came onto the scene. If you look from many perspectives, there are reasons why Blair should resign. From the view of the Labour politician, Blair should resign because his leadership will not win Labour the next election. Or at least it will be close. Many people in Britain are growing more unhappy with Blair rather than the party and for the party to have such a person as their leader is not clever. I think Gordon Brown will be leader of the Labour Party next, I do think Blair will resign.

From our perspective, the leftists perspective, of course Blair should get out. He&#39;s bashing our country with his Thatcherite axe and his privatised mind is going to take us into another crisis. If anyone saw/heard Gordon Brown&#39;s amazing speech at the Conference then it&#39;s clear that if one of the mainstream parties are going to have to be in power, it will have to be Labour with Brown at the head. He is clearly not happy with foundation hospitals, teacher pay, the NHS and the minimum wage. His constant emphasis on the word "Labour" in his speech completely conflicted Blair&#39;s speech riddled with the words "new Labour". It was truly a monumental conference.

I think Blair should, and ultimately will, resign.

[Danton]

Without an interest in bourgeois politics?

You are bourgeois... All of you&#33;

[Danton]

Brown&#39;s speech was cowardly and ill received, his constant references to Labour without the new is the cheapest sort of pandering, not to mention highly ironic given that the power hungry bastard was one of New Labours most virile adherants....

[Dhul Fiqar]

Tony Blair is America&#39;s poodle - he said it best himself when he denied it.

--- G.

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 04:32 PM
Without an interest in bourgeois politics?

You are bourgeois... All of you&#33;
We do of course have an interest, just not a great one. I certainly don&#39;t try to participate in bourgeois politics very much, its all bourgeois whatever party or leader is being referred to and therefore all undesirable.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

What the hell? "Bourgeois politics"? Get a grip and stop trying to be as left wing as possible just for show.

It is our country&#39;s politics, of course we have an interest in it.

[Saint-Just]

I am greatly interested in our country. However, our political arena is dominated entirely by the bourgeoisie. I am a Marxist, this is the opinion of all Marxists, if you think I need to &#39;get a grip&#39; you think all Marxists need to &#39;get a grip&#39;. This forum was made for admirers of Che, a Marxist, I think &#39;get a grip&#39; is a bit strong. There exists capitalist society a class system and the owners of the means of production, distribution and exchange in any society are also those who wield political power. In our society that is the bourgeoisie. As a result bourgeois ideas so pervade our society that we have no class conscioussness, this may explain your view.

As it is a am most interested in destroying the domination of the bourgeoisie in politics. I would gladly sacrificie my own life and that of others to do so. I have only an academic bourgeois politics and for our daily lives. I also have a patriotic interest in it. I do not however have an ideological interest in bourgeois politics.

Our society is controlled by a bourgeois ruling elite that has exclusive access to political power. I truly believe this and it certainly is not &#39;for show&#39; and I am on the far left of the political spectrum.

[Danton]

Tony Blair is America&#39;s poodle

Interesting (if not very original) analogy, better a pampered poodle than a mistreated *****.... It&#39;s unfortunatley the way of the world and the traditional post WW2 UK position is nestled securely betwixt the heaving breasts of our maladjusted cousins....

I loathe Tony Blair, I&#39;m not defending one iota of his or his parties thinking but in real terms, New Labour - mid-term, marginal lead in opinion polls, cretins for opposition - the Blairites look a dead cert for the next election... And no, Tony Blair should not and will not resign...

[katie mccready]

ok stop biching one another we are all friends

[Danton]

I&#39;m not *****ing Katie...

[Marxismliveson]

You have all spelt his name incorrectly&#33; It&#39;s TORY BLIAR&#33;&#33;&#33;

[katie mccready]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2003, 02:59 PM
You have all spelt his name incorrectly&#33; It&#39;s TORY BLIAR&#33;&#33;&#33;
ace joke

[katie mccready]

is this baned to the history bookes now

[monkeydust]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2003, 02:59 PM
You have all spelt his name incorrectly&#33; It&#39;s TORY BLIAR&#33;&#33;&#33;
Lol he should definately resign, after all he led the country to war under false pretences and without the support of the people, its only the weakness of opposition that keeps him where he is now. Mid you he made a wise move making Prescott as his deputy PM. If anyone were thinking about assasinating Blair they&#39;d have to face Prescott runnng the country for a while.

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

Hell- have&#39;em ALL resign, I say&#33; Blair is just one little grain on top of a whole pile of sand (that pile being the British ruling class), and represents much of their collective interests... so why not sack the whole crew? :P

[Intifada]

he shouldnt be sacked. he should be shot with all the other fuckers in the labour party.

he is a war criminal and has the blood of many innocent people on his hands. :angry:

[Ernestocheguevara]

Blair is a blady lapdog to that twat Bush&#33;&#33; He should have resigned a long time ago. " Oh Tony, where o where have your WMD&#39;s gone? O Where O where can they Be" &#33;&#33;&#33; :P
All his warmongering bloodiy colleagues should have too&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Saint-Just]

I think this thread has turned into &#39;What shall we do with the Labour politicians after the revolution?&#39;

My original suggestion for Tony Blair was:

we could re-open our coal mines and work 20 hours a day mining coal so that he may repay some of his debt to society.

But these bourgeois politicians would turn into political agitators so I agree with &#39;he should be shot with all the other fuckers in the labour party.&#39;