Dutch Defense League kicks the bucket....

[Sasha]

Remember this?
http://www.revleft.com/vb/edl-claims-they-t139172/index.html
http://www.revleft.com/vb/amsterdam-anti-fascists-t143344/index.html
http://www.revleft.com/vb/edl-amsterdam-failure-t144134/index.html

After half a year year trying to recover from their monumental failure, first through announcing to "come back with an bigger and better demo" (that never materialized) then by promising "dedicated picketlines with their core activists at high profile places like the Iranian embassy" (where all 4 of them where completly shunned by the Iranian human rights protesters) and finally by "rebuilding their online forum to an internet hub of anti-jihadist activism" (that turned into an ghost-town as soon as all the antifa infiltrators gave up posting when they realised they where actually about half of the active members) the DDL today announced they are throwing in the towel..

Ah well, it was nice knowing them as short as it lasted.
Feel free to piss on their grave below.....

[Das war einmal]

I really couldn't give a shit.

[danyboy27]

without a momentum gained by a crisis they have to constantly fuel, xenophobic nationalist movements, just like fascist movement, eventually die out.

[Das war einmal]

This 'movement' existed out of a handful of degenerates, without any popular support or renown. The real existing threat has become salonfahig and enjoys the support of the right bourgeoisie and a large part of the lower class.

[Means to a end]

Yet the EDL over here at least don't look like to be going anywhere unlike their pals from Holland.

S.Y.L is in court at the moment over a fight he had in Blackburn with a UAF/ANTIFA (was one or the other) member. I honestly think if he gets put away they will only get stronger (the bloke is as thick as shit, someone else with more brains* takes over for them it could be worrying) as there could be a increase in members as he could be seen as a '''''martyr''''''' for the ''''''cause''''''(whatever that would be).

[Mather]

Good to see that the DDL is no more.

The English Defence League (EDL) have been having a lot of problems recently.

Though the EDL has not collapsed, it has suffered many court cases, legal troubles, members going to jail, charges of corruption against EDL leaders, splits, personal rivalries, lower level members leaving in droves with some branches ceasing to exist and many other problems. Not to mention that EDL rallies either end in farce or face stiff and sometimes militant resistance from anti-fascists and local working class youth. It is expected, given that the EDL is both the first and largest of these 'defence leagues', that it will take longer for the EDL to implode, but the signs are there that this will happen at some point.

[La Comédie Noire]

I was under the impression that the right was making a comeback in Europe? I didn't know the EDL was in trouble.

Is it just center right politicians for now?

[Means to a end]

Good to see that the DDL is no more.

The English Defence League (EDL) have been having a lot of problems recently.

Though the EDL has not collapsed, it has suffered many court cases, legal troubles, members going to jail, charges of corruption against EDL leaders, splits, personal rivalries, lower level members leaving in droves with some branches ceasing to exist and many other problems. Not to mention that EDL rallies either end in farce or "face stiff and sometimes militant resistance from anti-fascists and local working class youth". It is expected, given that the EDL is both the first and largest of these 'defence leagues', that it will take longer for the EDL to implode, but the signs are there that this will happen at some point.

Lets not kid ourselves. (well from what I see anyway). They are a group, little over two years old. Yet can pull four figures amounts (yes its a low number, but still too high) and can bring town centres to a stand still at a drop off a hat (i.e Luton town centre at a court case a year ago give or take) few 100 turned up completely unannounced.

Other than the odd Asian (who from myself living in Luton, I honestly belive many of these groups have their own underlining agendas and would not call themselves 'anti fascists') gang having a pop at their pubs or at protests (oh yeah night time paint jobs as well). The most I have seen is the UAF usually outnumbered shouting whose streets our streets and any effort to attack the EDL members is hit back by a policeman's baton.

The EDL's downfall is going to be from within, and as long as thicko S.Y.L is at the helm its going to come sooner rather than later. The bloke has not got a clue and is steering a rudder less ship. I rather have him where we can see and hear him, not in a nick where he can become some sort of martyr to his followers(who have not got a clue what they are doing anyway, and for many I honestly believe they latch onto the EDL as it is a chance for a day out and to escape their everyday boring lives, christ if I was a navie 16 year old again I would be tempted to travel up and down the country as part of a group, what that group says or does is another matter, its just something with a bit of excitement for many,,,who will get bored and probably turn out as quite respectable people).

Can just imagine it now FREE SYL banners at their next protest. Or making comparisons to his punishment and the poppy burners and how they are the hard done by ones etc etc.

[Ocean Seal]

Hopefully this will follow to all of the
[INSERT NATION's NAME] Defense League

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A good old pissing on American nationalism from over here in the states.

[Dr Mindbender]

I think maybe the DDL's problem is that they weren't right wing ENOUGH.

Conscious of not wanting to be racist, they minced their words so they succeeded in alienating both the core far right as well as would be centre right supporters conscious of not wanting to support a group who at its heart, IS a far right organisation.

At least i gather a similar thing is happening to the EDL.

[Ravachol]

I think maybe the DDL's problem is that they weren't right wing ENOUGH.

Conscious of not wanting to be racist, they minced their words so they succeeded in alienating both the core far right as well as would be centre right supporters conscious of not wanting to support a group who at its heart, IS a far right organisation.

At least i gather a similar thing is happening to the EDL.

Nah, even if they explicitly rejected immigration or even 'race-mixing', their Zionism would still deter all far-right groups in the Netherlands. There's no far-right group over here who can tolerate anything which has anything to do with Israel or Jews.

[Mather]

Lets not kid ourselves. (well from what I see anyway). They are a group, little over two years old. Yet can pull four figures amounts (yes its a low number, but still too high) and can bring town centres to a stand still at a drop off a hat (i.e Luton town centre at a court case a year ago give or take) few 100 turned up completely unannounced.

I never said that the EDL were going to implode soon, just at some point in the future. How far off no one can really say.

However it is right to say that the EDL has suffered a decline and that their more recent demos have not been as successful as their past ones.


Other than the odd Asian (who from myself living in Luton, I honestly belive many of these groups have their own underlining agendas and would not call themselves 'anti fascists') gang having a pop at their pubs or at protests (oh yeah night time paint jobs as well).

Whether the local Asian youths who resist the EDL are conscious anti-fascists or simply reacting to a perceived (and real) threat to their local community, they have at times put up a better showing than the likes of the UAF. The EDL being pushed back in Harrow when they tried to march to the local mosque being one example.


The most I have seen is the UAF usually outnumbered shouting whose streets our streets and any effort to attack the EDL members is hit back by a policeman's baton.

I'm in agreement here. The UAF has been unable to deal with the EDL effectively, all because of their own reformist strategy.

When I mentioned anti-fascists I was not talking about the UAF and it's leadership. When the EDL have been confronted successfully it is usually down to local working class youths and militant anti-fascists organising for themselves to resist the EDL. There have been occasions when ordinary members of the UAF have provided militant resistance but this is usually down to their own initiative as the UAF leadership looks down upon militant anti-fascism in favour of a reformist, cross-class 'anti-fascism' that appeals to the capitalist state to deal with the threat of the far-right/fascism.


The EDL's downfall is going to be from within, and as long as thicko S.Y.L is at the helm its going to come sooner rather than later. The bloke has not got a clue and is steering a rudder less ship. I rather have him where we can see and hear him, not in a nick where he can become some sort of martyr to his followers(who have not got a clue what they are doing anyway, and for many I honestly believe they latch onto the EDL as it is a chance for a day out and to escape their everyday boring lives, christ if I was a navie 16 year old again I would be tempted to travel up and down the country as part of a group, what that group says or does is another matter, its just something with a bit of excitement for many,,,who will get bored and probably turn out as quite respectable people).

Can just imagine it now FREE SYL banners at their next protest. Or making comparisons to his punishment and the poppy burners and how they are the hard done by ones etc etc.

I think your right, the most likely fate the EDL will suffer will be an implosion and collapse from within.

[L.J.Solidarity]

Is there any "Defence League" outside Britain that has more than a dozen members or actually does anything? The German version seems to have disbanded as well, their website is down and they haven't posted anything on facebook for months. All they ever did was to send 5-10 fools from the "Hannover Division" to Amsterdam and Luton for EDL demos.

[Steve_j]

Is there any "Defence League" outside Britain that has more than a dozen members or actually does anything? The German version seems to have disbanded as well, their website is down and they haven't posted anything on facebook for months. All they ever did was to send 5-10 fools from the "Hannover Division" to Amsterdam and Luton for EDL demos.


The australian defense league has had a couple of minor rallies, with another planned soon, although it has been plagued by power struggles and infighting so its pretty inept. For the latest laughs see here http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/?p=25894