Red Dawn and Anti-Communism: A RANT

[RedMarxist]

I'm bored and have alot of time on my hands so It finally struck me after watching that piece of shit movie Red Dawn. Anti-Communism is retarded! I mean, this rant may come off as a review(I should do a review) but please, stay with me here.

I know this movie was made in the 80's, but fuck it! In every action-scene like 3 wolverines mow down like thirty Russians in every single camera shot! how is that even possible! These are high school students who somehow appear as if they were trained in spec-ops.

And then that part where Ivan kills that teacher in first part of film, its like why! I guess were supposed to have zero sympathy for the Invasion force or something. :cursing:

The wolverines end so many lives of so many just-following-orders Russian and even Cuban soldiers. No on cares though. Then when American's get killed its like HELL-poor American solider he was just following his orders!

And then in the end USA wins WWIII I guess despite being vastly outnumbered and with no allies and everyone lives happily ever after-well except for all those cities the Red's nuked no cares about DC though.

and one more thing-according the movie american soil had never been invaded in our entire history. What about the war of 1812? The Japanese invasion of Alaska? Our pacific possessions? Anchorage by the Red Chinese!(Not Really)


THIS HAS BEEN A POINTLESS RANT BY A COMMUNIST

[SJBarley]

Its the same for all films really, whoevers perspective we see it from is the one that we are supposed to find sympathy for. Of course they take advantage of the communist fear because people were genuinely scared at the time and you are totally right that its an anti-communist piece of shit but they aren't stupid enough to make a pro-facist film so they did the next best thing :laugh:

[Rooster]

I got bad news for you... they're doing a remake.

[Pirate Utopian]

Red Dawn is awesome. Stop frontin'.

Awesome 80s cheese.

[thesadmafioso]

Yeah, you really can't try to go into a movie like Red Dawn with a serious frame of reference. It is a horribly done piece of cold war propaganda to be laughed at, and you might as well enjoy it for what it is.

[redhotpoker]

Nicaragua and Cuba invade the United States.....if only

[Geiseric]

I think its as much cold war propaganda as Rocky 4 is. they just needed an enemy everybody was somewhat afraid of already, in order to sell tickets...

[Psy]

I'm bored and have alot of time on my hands so It finally struck me after watching that piece of shit movie Red Dawn. Anti-Communism is retarded! I mean, this rant may come off as a review(I should do a review) but please, stay with me here.

I know this movie was made in the 80's, but fuck it! In every action-scene like 3 wolverines mow down like thirty Russians in every single camera shot! how is that even possible! These are high school students who somehow appear as if they were trained in spec-ops.

And then that part where Ivan kills that teacher in first part of film, its like why! I guess were supposed to have zero sympathy for the Invasion force or something. :cursing:

A bigger question is why would the USSR make a air assault on Calumet, Colorado, what strategic advantage does it have? The point of air assaults is secure out strategic targets ahead of the main forces. By 1970 the town was pretty much dead do to the coal mine closing down. Also how does unemployed coal miners afford guns and ammo?

[thesadmafioso]

A bigger question is why would the USSR make a air assault on Calumet, Colorado, what strategic advantage does it have? The point of air assaults is secure out strategic targets ahead of the main forces. By 1970 the town was pretty much dead do to the coal mine closing down. Also how does unemployed coal miners afford guns and ammo?

To build off of that thought, why would they waste valuable munitions on a school of unarmed civilians? Airborne soldiers are limited to ammo which they can carry and are not initially supported by robust supply lines, yet they decided to waste rocket propelled grenades and machine gun rounds on the most useless targets.

[☭The Revolution☭]

" Comrades! The time has come to overthrow the pesky americans. First things first - We must begin our invasion in out in the middle of bum-fuck hazard country! Yesss, that will wake them up to the power of Communism! Then, to alert them further to our presence, we will shoot up a school of highschoolers. HAHAHAHAH WE WILL CONQUER TEH WEEERRRLLLDDDD!!!!!!" - General Buttwaxov

[Susurrus]

Well, it was actually pretty sympathetic to the Soviets for the time, in that it portrayed them as humans rather than several thousand robots with a few reborn Hitlers mixed in. It was meant more as an anti-war film than an anti-soviet film. Why else would they portray the Americans as hate-filled and as brutal as their enemy("What's the difference between them and us?!" "We live here!") and have a few nice Soviet and Cuban characters thrown in?

Though I mainly liked it for the guerrilla warfare pointers. Time to start the revolution in Calumet!:D

[Susurrus]

I got bad news for you... they're doing a remake.

Apparently its due for release this year. They were going to have the invaders be Chinese this time, but they changed it to North Korea(yeah, because they totally have the capability to go against US forces). I wonder if it ill still have Cuba as well?

[Psy]

" Comrades! The time has come to overthrow the pesky americans. First things first - We must begin our invasion in out in the middle of bum-fuck hazard country! Yesss, that will wake them up to the power of Communism! Then, to alert them further to our presence, we will shoot up a school of highschoolers. HAHAHAHAH WE WILL CONQUER TEH WEEERRRLLLDDDD!!!!!!" - General Buttwaxov

Except Calumet, Colorado doesn't have a school, it doesn't technically exist after the 1970s and no longer on maps. Thus in the movie the USSR literally invaded a town not on any maps as it took place in the 1980's when the county abandoned the town.

[RedMarxist]

well according to wikipedia it was chosen as a location(actually was filmed in the Mojave Wastland-er Las Vegas Nevada) as it was a anywhere, USA town with generic buildings, monuments, etc.

In the movie the town supposedly was still mining coal, hence the school and larger population


But still, why launch an air assault against small town USA?

The logic of General Buttwaxov is good, but what about the logic of his twin, Supreme General of the Soviet People Dickwaxov, in his now famous speech to his soldiers:

Yeeessssss, the American capitalist pigs will tremble at the might of our mighty Red Airforce! That is whyyy we vill send it towards hick county USA, home of cannibalistic banjo playing hillbillies and coal miners-the very center of US capitalism. We will punvish the greedy capitalists and the bankers there-we will show the world the might of the Workers!

Today comrades, we go to war against capitalism! tomorrow we will destroy the bourgeoisie! Then we will take over the-oh shit(дерьмо) comrades I lost track. now where was I?

We will send and entire armored division to attack their mob of a few high school students-with guns I might add! And then we will send like 3 gunships to finish them off!

Now lets party like its 1917-free vodka and AK-47's for everyone!

By the way, id just like to add this: Before you were learning to SPELL YOUR NAME- I was being TRAINED TO CONQUER CAPITALIST NATIONS!

[Psy]

well according to wikipedia it was chosen as a location(actually was filmed in the Mojave Wastland-er Las Vegas Nevada) as it was a anywhere, USA town with generic buildings, monuments, etc.

In the movie the town supposedly was still mining coal, hence the school and larger population


But still, why launch an air assault against small town USA?

Why invade the USA from S.America? The USSR had the means the slug it out with the the US navy and the shipping lanes would need to be cleared to supply a invasion force and the most likely invasion path of the USSR would be through the Pacific as it could island hop like Japan did during WWII and would have the shortest supply lines (rather then having supplies running from East Germany to Cuba then to their forces in the USA), also the Pacific islands would allow for air cover to protect its supply ships and navy (again like Japan did).

S. America has poor infrastructure and attacking through the south west would be hard as you have huge natural barriers with most cities being of little strategic value, while the west coast is full of strategic cities and the natural barriers works in the USSR favor as they would hinder the mobility US reinforcements.

[RedHal]

from Red Dawn to the teen comedy The Trotsky. Take solace in the fact that when Red Dawn came out, capitalists still trembled in fear of the specter of communism. Well Trotskyism has always been a joke :laugh:

[Rusty Shackleford]

Red Dawn is fucking awesome.


The wolverines were really non-revisionist Marxist-Leninists resisting soviet social imperialism.

[Psy]

Red Dawn is fucking awesome.


The wolverines were really non-revisionist Marxist-Leninists resisting soviet social imperialism.
No the Wolverines are bunch a pawns of US imperialism fighting a cartoon caricature of USSR imperialism.

At least World in Conflict portrayed the USSR as a rational imperialist power rather then a barbaric horde like Red Dawn. It also painted the US state having little regard for American life in its desperation, with the USA willing to nuke Seattle that had numerous Americans under USSR occupation just to prevent Chinese forces from reinforcing USSR forces, while showing USSR occupation being much preferable to being nuked.

[ZeroNowhere]

No the Wolverines are bunch a pawns of US imperialism fighting a cartoon caricature of USSR imperialism.
You don't say.

[Rafiq]

I've said this before and I'll say it again.

U.S. mainstream entertainment likes to make themselves feel like they're the underdog for a change.

How fucking pathetic.

[RedMarxist]

No, World In Conflict was fucking awesome(still play online). In that game in the expansion we actually have Russian characters! with names and personalities! I wish they'd do it, but it be cool if WIC 2 was set in the Far east like India or Vietnam from the American, Chinese, and Vietam point of view.

[Fopeos]

When recently watching Rocky 3 or4, the one where he fights Ivan Drago, it occured to me that the whole thing was backwards. Rocky was out training with the peasants, lifting logs, throwing hay-bales, running up and down hills. While the Russian dude had the best equipment that money could by. I felt like the makers of the movie were purposely confusing the audience. Rocky was the working-class hero and Ivan was a capitalist stooge.

[Susurrus]

It is consoling to remember that there are movies like Land and Freedom and Che to counter such jingoistic tomfoolery.




, but it be cool if WIC 2 was set in the Far east like India or Vietnam from the American, Chinese, and Vietam point of view.

I keep wishing for a game set in the Spanish Civil War or the Russian Civil War. The WIC engine would be perfect for such things, no? Sadly, I doubt the game industry is going to make any games that make capitalism look bad, and there is an astonishing lack of leftist game modders.

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

At least World in Conflict portrayed the USSR as a rational imperialist power

Didn't world in conflict portray the main soviet invasion force landing in the US being hidden in boxes on freight carriers?

[Rusty Shackleford]

Didn't world in conflict portray the main soviet invasion force landing in the US being hidden in boxes on freight carriers?
it did.

[Psy]

Didn't world in conflict portray the main soviet invasion force landing in the US being hidden in boxes on freight carriers?
Yet and the main US forces were concentrated in Europe as World War III was already raging in Europe. This is also after the USSR landed forces on Liberty Island in NYC via subs as a diversionary move. The Pentagon thought all of the USSR's forces were pushing westwards, as that was what the USSR had been doing up till that point, they never thought they would push east via the Pacific thus didn't pay attention to merchant traffic in the Pacific. Yet in WiC this was logical for the USSR as it fount itself in another WWI stalemate in Europe yet still had massive reserves so it looked for new fronts to expand the war while the USA was tapped out in Europe with few reserves.

[LewisQ]

I keep wishing for a game set in the Spanish Civil War or the Russian Civil War. The WIC engine would be perfect for such things, no? Sadly, I doubt the game industry is going to make any games that make capitalism look bad, and there is an astonishing lack of leftist game modders.
In fairness, they did - Bioshock is set in a repressive underwater Randian dystopia. Though I understand the sequel took the opposite standpoint (not played it.)

The main reason pre-WWII FPS-type games don't get made is the lack of automatic rifles....(and obviously, US developers are less likely to take a punt on a game set during a distant foreign conflict like the Spanish Civil War).