Why I am so upset about society?

[Arlekino]

The most of annoying me misunderstandings about workers struggles. As we workers seems is ok to struggle and keep us down by capitalist bourgeois yes we complain on Internet but we not going forward for struggles and solidarity with workers. Of course I do like my Internet but do Internet is doing more damage than good? I think we are as are people become more individualist and thinking we god kind of dream of freedom online, what I would hope for our society we should be united more campaign more agitation. Some forum readers would say oh yes we do agitate people. Another problem I see about public sector workers do public sector workers honestly wish solidarity with private sector workers? Private sector workers left behind with this capitalist mess and public sector workers want to support them, bare in mind I am not against public sector workers but we can't get it anywhere if public sector workers want only keep for himself jobs and don't care what is going on around society. Well I am real upset about more things my grumpy guide to media which is discussing but what we can do it to change and I don't want anymore read philosophy which I am enjoying to read but do workers wish to know this, what for people need jobs education food good social care and good community. Thank you for reading and apologies of English Grammar.

[Revolution starts with U]

The most of annoying me misunderstandings about workers struggles. As we workers seems is ok to struggle and keep us down by capitalist bourgeois yes we complain on Internet but we not going forward for struggles and solidarity with workers.
Of course I do like my Internet but do Internet is doing more damage than good? I think we are as are people become more individualist and thinking we god kind of dream of freedom online, what I would hope for our society we should be united more campaign more agitation. Some forum readers would say oh yes we do agitate people.
Another problem I see about public sector workers do public sector workers honestly wish solidarity with private sector workers? Private sector workers left behind with this capitalist mess and public sector workers want to support them, bare in mind I am not against public sector workers but we can't get it anywhere if public sector workers want only keep for himself jobs and don't care what is going on around society.
Well I am real upset about more things my grumpy guide to media which is discussing but what we can do it to change and I don't want anymore read philosophy which I am enjoying to read but do workers wish to know this, what for people need jobs education food good social care and good community.
Thank you for reading and apologies of English Grammar.

I see that English isn't your first language. So I'll leave the grammar alone.
But... fixed that for ya :cool:

[Arlekino]

Yes the grammar is shambles.:cursing:

[Ocean Seal]

There are two points which are important to address in your post. The first being whether the Internet does more good than evil in terms of the workers struggle. The internet is a product which will highly benefit the working class under socialism but in a sense it is an impediment to revolution simply because it contains vast amounts of information and it makes it much easier to muddy the truth or to cover something up. The case here being "US attacks on Libya continue" could be a story easily covered up by "Justin Beiber gets Selina Gomez pregnant". But at the same time, the internet makes it easy for us (who aren't a mainstream point to view) to get out there and advertise our points. Moreover, the internet almost supplies infinite resources in terms of what we can learn and it allows us to fact check and find out the truth for ourselves.

The issue of public sector workers and private sector workers, I don't believe to be that large. Its merely fearmongering by the opposition to attempt to divide those workers into two camps and to use private sector workers to break public sector workers. So the question is, how can we make people see that they have the same boss?

[Arlekino]

Thanks for give some explanation, yes we divided of course. I wish to united and don't give up. As long we sit quite it more legislation more anti workers rights will be occur. I think for gov is perfect solution we got freedom to express as long we don't go into streets. Yes internet as I tried explain something doing good something doing wrong. So I hope bigger step forwards to keep up together with all workers.

[RGacky3]

As we workers seems is ok to struggle and keep us down by capitalist bourgeois yes we complain on Internet but we not going forward for struggles and solidarity with workers.

Your in the UK right? Go outside more, stuff is happening all over Europe.

[Arlekino]

Your in the UK right? Go outside more, stuff is happening all over Europe.

Well yes some stuff is going on but I can't see better future all more masses to move forwards. Even left wingers are divided that is sadness thoughts.

[spice756]

Well I have not read all the posts in this thread.But the real problem the US is in a big mess is the libertarian base and tea party.There is other problem too the conspiracy theories !!!

Yes many people in the US are mad about low paying jobs ,hard to get jobs and the corruption in government :cursing: but becuse the US people do not understand the class struggle and the system there so many conspiracy theories like at prisonplanet ,infowars so on like Alex Jones that has higher membership than revleft by a long shot.:cursing:The conspiracy theories do not help at all

But people are not questioning the system but saying the problem is big government ,the left or conspiracy theories .

In Canada and Europe you don't have this libertarian base and tea party movement or these conspiracy theories . The people are more center but now the political views are more 50% left and 50% right more less now and are dividing the people. Do to the media propaganda of the 90`s evile taxes.And liberal party policy is now neoliberalism.So Canada and Europe social programs are now on life support.And are moving more and more like the US.

So in the US the schools ,media and government done a very good job of turning people into sheep.

[Arlekino]

spice756 absolutely but the problem are always working class are punish and of course most of we don't like it. I wonder how working class can digestive Marxist philosophy, as we know majority of workers don't care about such philosophy "give jobs, give food, health care", and to learn economics and stocks and shares is hard to swollen. Maybe we doing wrong campaigns?
Lets say for example why we should just agitate against energy companies, or some other bills which workers find hard to pay? Or I am in wrong ?

[RGacky3]

Well yes some stuff is going on but I can't see better future all more masses to move forwards. Even left wingers are divided that is sadness thoughts.

Do you konw how quick the spanish revolution happened? I bet you a month before it happened things looked pretty bleak too, my point is, good things do happen.

[sattvika]

Unregulated, unrestricted and uncensored internet is one of the most powerful tools available at one's disposal. Even the very poor can access the internet for a few hours a day from their local library.

As with many other aspects of life, problems begin when governments step in and attempt to regulate and control. Look at China...how many resources are wasted in attempting to keep up their useless "Great Firewall?" How many Chinese with even the most basic tech skills are setting up VPNs and getting around it? How many are employed in the censorship of information?

Secondly, "capitalist bourgeois" are not ACTIVELY trying to keep you down, they are actively trying to improve their own well-being.

[spice756]

Unregulated, unrestricted and uncensored internet is one of the most powerful tools available at one's disposal. Even the very poor can access the internet for a few hours a day from their local library.


Not sure why the US is so slow at changing and why the government is more conservative on economic and social issue than the people .

But here is my take on it.

You got 5 types of people in the US that are big obstacle for progress.

-people that believe in the system ( US the best system in the world ) They think.

-people that are on top and will fight to stay there ( upper class people ,wealthy people ,middle class ,capitalist and businesses.

-libertarian base people

-conspiracy theories people to explain the problems but do not know really the big problems when it comes to system

-tea party people and the Christians .

Where the greens ,new left and revolutionary left are small number of the people so they get crushed .

[spice756]

Unregulated, unrestricted and uncensored internet is one of the most powerful tools available at one's disposal. Even the very poor can access the internet for a few hours a day from their local library.


Just a update as of today that Wikipedia will be off line for one day do to a massive protest of US internet censorship.

It seems the US government is becoming more controlling:scared:

Yap we all know the US is very divided of 50% liberal views and 50% conservative views and the conservative government more conservative than the people.

[RGacky3]

Yap we all know the US is very divided of 50% liberal views and 50% conservative views

No we don't, progressivism is actually the most popular label according to polls, and progressive values and policies poll even better many times.

[Black_Rose]

No we don't, progressivism is actually the most popular label according to polls, and progressive values and policies poll even better many times.


Despite our disagreements in the "Things were better under the Reds thread", I still respect you and express little hostility towards your political views.

However, I would like to say that I value the virtue of mercy. In fact, I stated this:


As a revolutionary socialist, my conviction to the cause of revolution ultimately emanates from an edifice of sympathy, amity, mercy, and benevolence towards the working class. Mere discontentment at contemporary socioeconomic circumstances, animus towards the "ruling elite" (however one defines it), and a desire to personally benefit from an economic regime promising more economic security are indeed characteristics of the revolutionary left and progressives, but they also the traits of some reactionaries. Many white nationalists, for example, are inebriated with discontent and hate the ruling elite (da jooz and their pawns), and this indeed a major factor contributing to the ascent of the Nazi Party, which captured power by captivating German citizens through demagoguery which then expressed their collective will through liberal democratic institutions of the Weimar Republic, as opposed to a putsch by a armed minority. While hatred and discontentment can be valuable fuel for leftist revolutions or progressive political change, without it being subservient to the virtues of mercy and benevolence, such hatred would not lead to the liberation of the economically dispossessed and would justify further oppression.

How many of these people who advocate progressive policies are actually merciful towards the economically disenfranchised? If they self-righteously regard most of the poor are lazy individuals - lollygaggers lacking a sense of individual initiative and personal responsibility with few redeeming moral qualities -- then I would not regard them as political friends, but maybe tactically useful allies under some circumstances.

Note: "mercy" and "benevolence" does not mean advocating a Marxism-Leninism -- most liberals and social democrats are merciful, although we Marxist-Leninists see them as heretics. It is my contention that mercy is the sine qua non for genuine progressive political movements.

[Aphex]

Most workers don't have time to agitate as they're too busy earning money, going on holidays, buying cars, microwaves, iphones and houses. Maybe you should consider yourself lucky that even though you have no skillls and can barely speak English, someone has found a job for you to do.

[Aphex]

Not sure why the US is so slow at changing and why the government is more conservative on economic and social issue than the people .

But here is my take on it.

You got 5 types of people in the US that are big obstacle for progress.

-people that believe in the system ( US the best system in the world ) They think.

-people that are on top and will fight to stay there ( upper class people ,wealthy people ,middle class ,capitalist and businesses.

-libertarian base people

-conspiracy theories people to explain the problems but do not know really the big problems when it comes to system

-tea party people and the Christians .



There's also those of us who can take responsibility for our own plight and don't need to enter into this victim mentality. Oh poor me ... I'm so oppressed. *yawn*

[RGacky3]

Despite our disagreements in the "Things were better under the Reds thread", I still respect you and express little hostility towards your political views.


I appreciate it.


How many of these people who advocate progressive policies are actually merciful towards the economically disenfranchised? If they self-righteously regard most of the poor are lazy individuals - lollygaggers lacking a sense of individual initiative and personal responsibility with few redeeming moral qualities -- then I would not regard them as political friends, but maybe tactically useful allies under some circumstances.

Note: "mercy" and "benevolence" does not mean advocating a Marxism-Leninism -- most liberals and social democrats are merciful, although we Marxist-Leninists see them as heretics. It is my contention that mercy is the sine qua non for genuine progressive political movements.

I agree, its wrong to look at it in a way of saying "we should be mersiful to the less capable," because it assumes that the system rewards people correctly, but we should just help those that can't make it. But I don't think most progressives look at it that way, many of them, like socialists know there are systemic problems, and know that the problem is the system, they, however, unlike socialists can't take the next step.

Also I think its wrong to look at it in the way of hating the "ruling elite," if you have the opportunity to be the ruling elite in this system why would'nt you be? If your other choise is being a peasant a rational person would choose being the ruling elite (if you were fortunate enough to have that choice), but what we should focus on, is the system, that divides people in that way, and gives certain people power and freedom while restricting it for everyone else, not the people who mange to gain that power and freedom.


Most workers don't have time to agitate as they're too busy earning money, going on holidays, buying cars, microwaves, iphones and houses. Maybe you should consider yourself lucky that even though you have no skillls and can barely speak English, someone has found a job for you to do.

thats rich, its exactly like saying a peasent should be greatful for the privilege to work his masters land, rather than just be a begger.

The way we look at it is the noble should get on his knees and thank god that the peasents havn't rebelled and took the land that THEY work for themselves.


There's also those of us who can take responsibility for our own plight and don't need to enter into this victim mentality. Oh poor me ... I'm so oppressed. *yawn*

And there are those of us that see the problems in the system and try and fix it.

[Aphex]

I appreciate it.






thats rich, its exactly like saying a peasent should be greatful for the privilege to work his masters land, rather than just be a begger.

The way we look at it is the noble should get on his knees and thank god that the peasents havn't rebelled and took the land that THEY work for themselves.



Yeah cause we're all still living in the Middle Ages aren't we, were peasants are owned by masters.


And there are those of us that see the problems in the system and try and fix it.

Yeah we've all seen your attempts to "improve" society - the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, North Korea etc. No thanks. It's coz of knuckleheads like you that people like this guy with no useful skills have an entitlement mentality and think they deserve to be rich for because they exist. :rolleyes:

Oh and nice lats dumbass.

[PhoenixAsh]

verbal warning to Aphex for flaming

Please refrain from doing so.

[RGacky3]

Yeah cause we're all still living in the Middle Ages aren't we, were peasants are owned by masters.


A: Its an analogy

B: The end result is essencially the same

C: ITS AN ANALOGY STUPID.


Yeah we've all seen your attempts to "improve" society - the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, North Korea etc. No thanks. It's coz of knuckleheads like you that people like this guy with no useful skills have an entitlement mentality and think they deserve to be rich for because they exist. :rolleyes:


Real socialists were against the USSR, and all the state-capitalist regeims from the begining, so cute attempt.

Heres the thing you are extremely arrogant while at the same time being extremely ignorant.

Again, this has nothing to do with entitlement, this has to do with us going agianst a system that privileges a few.

But anyway, I take it your rich, since your taking this ignorant stand, am I right?


Oh and nice lats dumbass.

thanks.

[Aphex]

A: Its an analogy

B: The end result is essencially the same

C: ITS AN ANALOGY STUPID.



A: It's a shit analogy because they're not comparable.

B: Not it's not

C: Get fucked


this has nothing to do with entitlement,

Yes it does. Apparently you don't even know what an entitlement mentality is. Let me explain it to you: It means you think people deserve something for nothing. You said before that unemployed people should "attack the system". There couldn't be a more perfect example of an entitlement mentality than this horse shit. You think that it's not even enough that working people are looking after the unemployed with their tax money, you also think that they should be attacked by the people they are looking after. I hate to break it to you buddy, but the world doesn't owe you or anyone else jack shit.


But anyway, I take it your rich, since your taking this ignorant stand, am I right?

Rich? Hadley. Just a normal worker that doesn't want you communists doing me any favors.




Real socialists were against the USSR, and all the state-capitalist regeims from the begining, so cute attempt.

Cool I respect that you're not a Stalin saluting moron like the rest of the posters around here, but maybe you should go post somewhere where you're surrounded by less idiotic people if you're just here to support social welfare? If you're just pro welfare I'm not going to argue with you about it, even if I disagree, cause it has fuck all to do with the point that communusm is shit and makes people miserable without exception.

[Veovis]

If you're just pro welfare I'm not going to argue with you about it, even if I disagree, cause it has fuck all to do with the point that communusm is shit and makes people miserable without exception.

How can you say it makes people miserable "without exception" when it has never been tried?

[Aphex]

How can you say it makes people miserable "without exception" when it has never been tried?

Course it's been tried. That's what Lenin, Mao, Tito, Castro, Kim Jong il etc were trying to do. They didn't just wake up one day and go "hey, stuff communism, I want to make people poor and unhappy!". Making people poor and unhappy occurred naturally as a direct result of trying to force something unnatural on people. Eventually the government resorted to brainwashing everybody with propaganda so they would think they were happy even though they were miserable. All the communist experiments pretty much follow the same pattern. You guys just like to stuff your fingers in your ears and yell "nah nah nah nah" instead of listening to history.

[PhoenixAsh]

Course it's been tried. That's what Lenin, Mao, Tito, Castro, Kim Jong il etc were trying to do. They didn't just wake up one day and go "hey, stuff communism, I want to make people poor and unhappy!". Making people poor and happy occurred naturally as a direct result of trying to force something unnatural on people. Eventually the government resorted to brainwashing everybody with propaganda so they would think they were happy even though they were miserable. All the communist experiments pretty much follow the same pattern. You guys just like to stuff your fingers in your ears and yell "nah nah nah nah" instead of listening to history.

Really?? And the boycots, militarty interventions, cripppeling wars, blockades, economic sanctions etc. had nothing to do with this :rolleyes:

But the most hillarious part is that you are pretending this is not happening in the rest of the world. The most hillarious part is that you think people in capitalism arre actually happy and the government there is doing nothing to trick them into thinking they should be happy.

You are pretty hillarious...

[Aphex]

Really?? And the boycots, militarty interventions, cripppeling wars, blockades, economic sanctions etc. had nothing to do with this :rolleyes:

But the most hillarious part is that you are pretending this is not happening in the rest of the world. The most hillarious part is that you think people in capitalism arre actually happy and the government there is doing nothing to trick them into thinking they should be happy.

You are pretty hillarious...

I laugh at you for wanting to believe everyone is sad or that there is some epic conspiracy going on. See, unlike in communist countries where they have to restrict the press to stop people wondering why their country is so stuffed up, democratic countries actually encourage debate and criticism. You just WISH for people to be unhappy because you know that is the only way you will ever get popular support for your ruinous communist plans. After all, that is the only way communism has ever been implemented before, by promising to deliver some magical society to starving and downtrodden people. But none of this unhappiness exists for you now so you instead you go around trying to convince people that things like natural disasters and ethnic civil wars are caused by capitalism. You also like to promise some dooms days scenario where capitalism is going to cause the galaxy to explode or some such horse shit, which of course never comes. The joke is on you buddy.

[dodger]

The most of annoying me misunderstandings about workers struggles. As we workers seems is ok to struggle and keep us down by capitalist bourgeois yes we complain on Internet but we not going forward for struggles and solidarity with workers. Of course I do like my Internet but do Internet is doing more damage than good? I think we are as are people become more individualist and thinking we god kind of dream of freedom online, what I would hope for our society we should be united more campaign more agitation. Some forum readers would say oh yes we do agitate people. Another problem I see about public sector workers do public sector workers honestly wish solidarity with private sector workers? Private sector workers left behind with this capitalist mess and public sector workers want to support them, bare in mind I am not against public sector workers but we can't get it anywhere if public sector workers want only keep for himself jobs and don't care what is going on around society. Well I am real upset about more things my grumpy guide to media which is discussing but what we can do it to change and I don't want anymore read philosophy which I am enjoying to read but do workers wish to know this, what for people need jobs education food good social care and good community. Thank you for reading and apologies of English Grammar.

RASYTE....Heavens, stop whining. Depressing me listening to you. I worked in public sector and was taken into private hands. It failed and we returned to public ownership. You need to get into employment where you at least have benefit and dignity of a union. Take it from there. Britain is not known for its love of whingers. Private sector needs to wake up and fight. and so do you. Take responsibility. Bloody Nora....you sound just like a victim, not a good place to be. Rasyte you come across as intelligent cultured and having had the benefit of travelling , seeing things. Working within a union, take advantage of any training and other horizons willl open up. Possibilities.

Sink or swim, treading water is no option, the tide is not taking us somewhere we might want to be. Good luck!

[Aphex]

RASYTE....Heavens, stop whining. Depressing me listening to you. I worked in public sector and was taken into private hands. It failed and we returned to public ownership. You need to get into employment where you at least have benefit and dignity of a union. Take it from there. Britain is not known for its love of whingers. Private sector needs to wake up and fight. and so do you. Take responsibility. Bloody Nora....you sound just like a victim, not a good place to be. Rasyte you come across as intelligent cultured and having had the benefit of travelling , seeing things. Working within a union, take advantage of any training and other horizons willl open up. Possibilities.

Sink or swim, treading water is no option, the tide is not taking us somewhere we might want to be. Good luck!

Public sectors are pretty much always a bunch of lazy pricks who drink coffee more than work. They know for a fact that they can't get fired no matter what they do so they do whatever they feel like. It's a great scam I need to get in on it :lol:

[dodger]

Course it's been tried. That's what Lenin, Mao, Tito, Castro, Kim Jong il etc were trying to do. They didn't just wake up one day and go "hey, stuff communism, I want to make people poor and unhappy!". Making people poor and unhappy occurred naturally as a direct result of trying to force something unnatural on people. Eventually the government resorted to brainwashing everybody with propaganda so they would think they were happy even though they were miserable. All the communist experiments pretty much follow tie same pattern. You guys just like to stuff your fingers in your ears and yell "nah nah nah nah" instead of listening to history.

Aphex does seem bizarre you invite us to learn from history, when your post is a complete denial of it. The invasion by 14 armies of Soviet territory, the use of mustard gas rather stifles meaningful debate would you not agree? In actual fact it is you that sounds hideously brainwashed. Dear Aphex an honest study of history combined with a comprehensive debate with others is the medicine prescribed. At present you project yourself as ignorant, pompous and hideously brainwashed, you are capable of better things I hope.

[dodger]

Public sectors are pretty much always a bunch of lazy pricks who drink coffee more than work. They know for a fact that they can't get fired no matter what they do so they do whatever they feel like. It's a great scam I need to get in on it :lol:

Glad to have you on board , dear Aphex....I'll send you a link with the application forms. Not only will you be serving Londoners you will enjoy a job with career prospects training and safety . We have a first class pension fund and choice of union. Getting out of bed at 4.0am in the morning is a bracing experience. The air is so clean. Still when you return at 8.0am from a night shift and you can watch Spongebob with your Ma in the afternoon. Yer can sit on the sofa with your boiled egg and little toasty soldiers....whilst everybody else has their nose to the grindstone.

Best life choice you'll ever make....take it from me. APHEX. DODGER DOES NOT DO BULLSHIT.......

[Aphex]

ignorant, pompous and hideously brainwashed

You've summarised yourself perfectly there dodger. I would add to it but I wouldn't be improving your confession.

[PhoenixAsh]

I laugh at you for wanting to believe everyone is sad or that there is some epic conspiracy going on. See, unlike in communist countries where they have to restrict the press to stop people wondering why their country is so stuffed up, democratic countries actually encourage debate and criticism. You just WISH for people to be unhappy because you know that is the only way you will ever get popular support for your ruinous communist plans. After all, that is the only way communism has ever been implemented before, by promising to deliver some magical society to starving and downtrodden people. But none of this unhappiness exists for you now so you instead you go around trying to convince people that things like natural disasters and ethnic civil wars are caused by capitalism. You also like to promise some dooms days scenario where capitalism is going to cause the galaxy to explode or some such horse shit, which of course never comes. The joke is on you buddy.

Right now I am mostly laughing because you got found out being a fascist sockpuppet and managed to get yourself banned ;) :)

You may have not been reading that many newspapers or news items lately....but people are pretty malcontent and approval ratings for governments world wide have been at a historic low....while support for fringe parties left and right is rising rapidly.

And a whole lot more is being done to be able to invade privacy and stifle free speech and limit civil rights by your so called democratic governments than in any former Eastern Bloc country or the USSR.

But your magic society argument is priceless. :) It really is. It seems to be the final trench of those who have absolutely no clue as to what they are raging against.


But you enjoy your ban ;) bye bye

[Black_Rose]

And a whole lot more is being done to be able to invade privacy and stifle free speech and limit civil rights by your so called democratic governments than in any former Eastern Bloc country or the USSR.


As a Marxist-Leninist, I am inclined to concur with your astute observation, not because you portrayed the Eastern Bloc countries positively, but because we Marxist-Leninists tend to be more cynical than left-liberals about civil liberties (particularly freedom of speech) in "liberal" democracies. The bourgeois are granted civil liberties because they generally exercise them in a fashion that perpetuates the system (and their economic interests too); the ideology of the extreme right or left is not deemed threatening to the establishment; and the working class is mesmerized by propaganda of mainstream media. Freedom of speech in bourgeois democracy means the right to post on the Daily Kos, or on the comment section of Fox News website where one can kvetch about how the Obama Administration supposed stymies business and express elation when the police uses force on the Occupiers. Repression indeed exists in "democratic" societies, but it is more insidious and subtle than in the explicitly "authoritarian" Eastern Bloc states.





Right now I am mostly laughing because you got found out being a fascist sockpuppet and managed to get yourself banned ;) :)

But you enjoy your ban ;) bye byeHumans, myself included, are typically under the influence of confirmation bias, a tendency to seek information that confirms one's preexisting views. I am cognizant of this, but PS/Aphex, merely confirmed my prejudices towards reactionaries and did not offer anything educational or unique. Good riddance! He was just a nuisance.

Here's what I said earlier about PS/Aphex:



Thanks for confirming what I said earlier about you:


You believe that the strong should subjugate the weak; that's what you believe and why you oppose the left, in general, not merely revolutionary leftists, but even mainstream liberals and social democrats who want to assist the poor (who you regard as economically and intellectually unfit, presumably because they lack general intelligence as espoused by HBDers) through social programs. Didn't I describe the essence of your worldview, not merely construct a strawman?
But you said this in a direct reply:



Your description of a long way from summarizing the essence of my world view, but that is not your fault - my summary was very brief and it would be impossible for anyone to derive anything less crude. I won't attempt to convince you of any merits regarding my outlook; naturally I'd fail, and I assume if you were interested in the subtleties of my kind of philosophy you would have sought it out yourself. I'll argue my views if they become and obstacle to understanding Marx, though.
Nothing subtle, I was correct. You hate the poor and believe they are not worthy of mercy.

[RGacky3]

A: It's a shit analogy because they're not comparable.

B: Not it's not

C: Get fucked


It is comparable, because peasents were NOT owned by their masters.


Yes it does. Apparently you don't even know what an entitlement mentality is. Let me explain it to you: It means you think people deserve something for nothing. You said before that unemployed people should "attack the system". There couldn't be a more perfect example of an entitlement mentality than this horse shit. You think that it's not even enough that working people are looking after the unemployed with their tax money, you also think that they should be attacked by the people they are looking after. I hate to break it to you buddy, but the world doesn't owe you or anyone else jack shit.


If thats your definition, people think they deserve something for nothing, then Capitalism is based on entitlement, the capitalist DESERVE the fruits of peoples labor becuase of some supposed "ownership" and not only that they deserve the state to support that arrangement.

Its not about the world owing anyone anything, Capitalism causes suffering for most people, and enriches the few on the backs of the rest, gives all the power and say to a few while denying for most .... So .... We should overthrow the sytem.

Why the hell should we be thankful for the crums thrown down, when these are crums from the bread that WE baked.


Rich? Hadley. Just a normal worker that doesn't want you communists doing me any favors.


Why arn't you rich? You should be, just work harder.


but maybe you should go post somewhere where you're surrounded by less idiotic people if you're just here to support social welfare?

I'm not for social welfare, I'm for a democratic economy, I'm for a democratic workplace and public control of public interests.


If you're just pro welfare I'm not going to argue with you about it, even if I disagree, cause it has fuck all to do with the point that communusm is shit and makes people miserable without exception.

Not social-welfare, I don't want the crums from the bread that I bake, I want a say in what happens to the bread, and the oven.