Share your secret nutritional or exercise weapon of choice

[Ele'ill]

1 minute oatmeal (just add warm water then drain the water) and (back in the day before vegan food) add chocolate milk (or chocolate soy milk) and protein powder.

I really enjoy pullups. My max reps sit at 40.

[Terminator X]

I've gotten great results on the exercise bike. I recently lost nearly 50 pounds and attribute most of that loss to my daily work on the bike (usually 5 to 10 miles).

I also can't seem to stop consuming greek yogurt. Muscle Milk is also a pretty standard staple in my diet.

[Ele'ill]

I've heard mixed reviews about muscle milk.

[Decolonize The Left]

Yogurt and granola in the morning. Tasty, healthy, and filling.

Pushups/situps/pullups. No need to go to the gym, you can do them in your room.

And bicycling as a mode of transportation. This was you get to where you need to go, save money on gas, and stay healthy. Multi-functional.

- August

[Тачанка]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-intensity_interval_training

This and also
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This is funny

[Le Libérer]

1 minute oatmeal (just add warm water then drain the water) and (back in the day before vegan food) add chocolate milk (or chocolate soy milk) and protein powder.

I really enjoy pullups. My max reps sit at 40.

Wow, you should compete for the worlds record then
http://www.recordholders.org/en/list/chinups.html

[Niccolò Rossi]

Milk and Dbol

Nic.

[PhoenixAsh]

ˆˆ Oral or Injectable?



Curt. Muesli & proteinpowder. Few drops of honey in there.

Favorite exercises are Bench and Press and chin ups 10*10 (max in one go = 30...so...Mari3l still hold the record here ;) ).

[Le Libérer]

Milk and Dbol

Nic.
Winstrol. Injectable, but for totally different results.

[Ele'ill]

Wow, you should compete for the worlds record then
http://www.recordholders.org/en/list/chinups.html

I have a hard time believing those are actual records being as low as they are <-- I hadn't scrolled down- holy shit. It was two sets of 20 with a hanging break in between. It may have taken over a minute though. I am 90% positive I didn't 'stop' at 20 and then do another set. I was in fantastic shape at the time.

[Leonardh]

Yogurt and granola in the morning. Tasty, healthy, and filling.

Pushups/situps/pullups. No need to go to the gym, you can do them in your room.

And bicycling as a mode of transportation. This was you get to where you need to go, save money on gas, and stay healthy. Multi-functional.

- August

Sounds like this is working well. I add oatmeal to my morning routine, I save the yogurt and granola for lunch. I also use bicycling as a mode of transportation which is great considering today's gas prices. Eating foods with a higher nutritional value and exercise has certainly been a [/URL][URL="http://www.faceitnews.com"]lifestyle lift (http://www.revleft.com/vb/[url=http://www.faceitnews.com]lifestyle%20lift) for me. I do go to the gym twice a week for strengthening.

[tbasherizer]

3 km run every morning, with a 3 km swim every MTW (200m free/breast, 100m kick, 200m IM, 200m kick, 2x50m sprint, 200m free/breast), and 30 min interval running on the treadmill every TuTh (5 mins slow jog, followed by 20 mins of 3 minutes moderate run/2 minutes sprint, followed by 5 mins slow jog). I also bike 9 km to work and back every day. This allows me to stay in okay shape while enjoying all of my (obesity-inducing) favourite foods. Yum.

[xub3rn00dlex]

Deca + Dbol + Test E cycle. You could gain around 35-45 lbs during it, and keep around 70-85% with proper PCT. :D

However, I will be doing an S4 cycle when I figure out how to get my lab work done so I can see whether it gives results or not. Will happily share information then.

[Niccolò Rossi]

Oral or Injectable?

Blue hearts all the way. I'm way to classy for injectables.


Winstrol. Injectable, but for totally different results.

HIV?

Nic.

P.S. Everyone realises I'm being facetious here, right?

[Rooster]

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I found a heavy punching bag to be a good way to keep healthy. It's good fun cardio. If you get a long one, then you practice kicking it too. Go mad at it, using a lot of foot work, for 3-5 mins and then take a rest for a 1-2 mins. Punching and kicking is also a good way to indirectly work your abs.

[tracher999]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zKiMQGHfXEc/TFhx47QXG8I/AAAAAAAAAFs/qKiNgchS0EY/s320/11.jpg

I found a heavy punching bag to be a good way to keep healthy. It's good fun cardio. If you get a long one, then you practice kicking it too. Go mad at it, using a lot of foot work, for 3-5 mins and then take a rest for a 1-2 mins. Punching and kicking is also a good way to indirectly work your abs.

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[Royce Gracie Of Communism]

take creatine, load for a week then take 3 before excersize 3 after, ten glasses of water a day, USN pure protein and as much brown rice, chiken fish pasta and veg as you can eat

supplement with a 5 k run every other day and weights or boxing excersizes on the days inbetween

[KC]

http://www.mezzetta.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/10106570.jpg

This stuff is absolutely delicious. Goes great on eggs, sandwiches, spaghetti, whatever. Only 25 kcal per table spoon.

Anyways, I'm on Starting Strength so I'm lifting 3 days a week now followed by running a mile. Trying to work in a daily mile but I'm a lazy shit and definitely not a morning person. For once I feel like I'm on the path to success because I'm making this all work with my lifestyle instead of interrupting everything and getting all extreme about it. Lost 3 lbs this week (27 to go) so it's a good start, plus the diet is delicious.

Just gotta cut down on the drinking cals on the weekend. :(

[Ele'ill]

Just gotta cut down on the drinking cals on the weekend. :(

Nah.

[Niccolò Rossi]

take creatine, load for a week

The evidence behind the effectiveness of creatine loading is inconclusive. However, it's a great way to sell more creatine.


then take 3 before excersize 3 after

Three what? Grams? Caps?


supplement with a 5 k run every other day

Yuck.

Nic.

[xub3rn00dlex]

The evidence behind the effectiveness of creatine loading is inconclusive. However, it's a great way to sell more creatine.

Agreed. I have done on and off cycles of creatine and honestly felt no difference if I loaded or not. Right now I'm about 6 months on cycle without stopping.



Three what? Grams? Caps?

He meant grams. I find that hard to follow though. My weight gainer has 7 grams of a creatine blend, which I supp. 2x-3x daily, plus I also add 5g pre and post workout. So I'm on anywhere from 14g to 31g a day, depending on my nutrition.




Yuck.

Nic.

Yeah, why anyone would do a 5k run on a bulk cycle is beyond me. At most you should be doing 20 mins pre and 20 mins post workout cardio, but no more than 45 mins total a day [ I mean as in focused cardio ]

[Die Rote Fahne]

Hot sauce. On everything.

[Niccolò Rossi]

Agreed. I have done on and off cycles of creatine and honestly felt no difference if I loaded or not. Right now I'm about 6 months on cycle without stopping.

Reality is creatine works. Full-stop. Cycling is unnecessary. So yeah, we're in agreement here.


He meant grams. I find that hard to follow though. My weight gainer has 7 grams of a creatine blend, which I supp. 2x-3x daily, plus I also add 5g pre and post workout. So I'm on anywhere from 14g to 31g a day, depending on my nutrition.That's a fuck load of creatine. I supplement with 5 grams of creatine monohydrate per day. Of course I also get creatine from my food, but it's not over 10g total per day ever.

I mean 20g is a commonly suggested number to use for a 'loading phase', 30g seems rediculously high, especially if your training intensity and frequency is not extremely high.

Nic.

[xub3rn00dlex]

Reality is creatine works. Full-stop. Cycling is unnecessary. So yeah, we're in agreement here.

Yes we are, and as far as I'm concerned nothing beats good old Mono.



That's a fuck load of creatine. I supplement with 5 grams of creatine monohydrate per day. Of course I also get creatine from my food, but it's not over 10g total per day ever.

I mean 20g is a commonly suggested number to use for a 'loading phase', 30g seems rediculously high, especially if your training intensity and frequency is not extremely high.

Nic.

Yeah it might be a bit overkill, but I'm the kind of guy who would rather get more nutrition than necessary and excrete the wastes than come short.

I currently am on my second week of the Mr. O workout, and even with the diet I am pulling and the large amounts of creatine, protein, and extra carbs, it does one hell of a number on my body. I work construction so I'm burning a lot of energy as it is, but after the gym I am beyond taxed.

I spoke to a few people who have heard of Jay's workout, and they all pretty much say that it goes best with juice, otherwise it is borderline overtraining. I'm waiting for my lab-work appointment before starting s4, so hopefully I'll feel better then and might even be able to cut down on the creatine. ( Am thinking of stopping completely while on s4, and using it PCT instead. )

[Niccolò Rossi]

I currently am on my second week of the Mr. O workout, and even with the diet I am pulling and the large amounts of creatine, protein, and extra carbs, it does one hell of a number on my body. I work construction so I'm burning a lot of energy as it is, but after the gym I am beyond taxed.

I spoke to a few people who have heard of Jay's workout, and they all pretty much say that it goes best with juice, otherwise it is borderline overtraining. I'm waiting for my lab-work appointment before starting s4, so hopefully I'll feel better then and might even be able to cut down on the creatine. ( Am thinking of stopping completely while on s4, and using it PCT instead. )

What does your actual training week look like? I'm really curious. Where did you get it from?

I don't think training programs designed and used by pro bodybuilders should be used by anyone but pro bodybuilders. If you haven't had the years of experience lifting that these guys have, it doesn't work. If you haven't got the strength/size base that these guys have, it doesn't work. If you aren't eating like these guys are, it doesn't work. If you aren't dropping thousands of dollars on chemical enhancement under the proper medical guidance, it doesn't work. If you work a full-time physical job, it doesn't work.

I mean, I'm exaggerating here. People do grow on these type of programs but more often than not there gains are not maximised and they end up running themselves into the ground.

Nic.

[Mr. Cervantes]

Mediterranean diet. The best possible means of dieting that leaves the Atkins diet completely lacking by comparison or any other silly extreme alternative.

[xub3rn00dlex]

What does your actual training week look like? I'm really curious. Where did you get it from?

Jay's Mr. O Routine currently. 2 day split. I can find the link to it if you want to see it.



I don't think training programs designed and used by pro bodybuilders should be used by anyone but pro bodybuilders. If you haven't had the years of experience lifting that these guys have, it doesn't work.

I'd have to disagree with you there. I don't have the decade+ worth of experience these guys have, but that is irrelevant. The most important factor when lifting is form. If you have proper form, then you are hitting your muscle groups properly and efficiently.


If you haven't got the strength/size base that these guys have, it doesn't work.

One must crawl before sie can walk. :) These guys started out small too once upon a time.


If you aren't eating like these guys are, it doesn't work. If you aren't dropping thousands of dollars on chemical enhancement under the proper medical guidance, it doesn't work.

Actually, food is more expensive than chemical enhancements. I can get a 3 month supply of deca/dbol/test e for approximately 350$ US. And considering these are cycled [ even if bridging is involved instead of full PCT ] I'd be spending less than 1000$ a year on chemical enhancements. And what better medical guidance than your local bromacist?? ;)


If you work a full-time physical job, it doesn't work.

Au contraire. I've actually managed to beat my plateau after a dieting phase ended leading to hard-gaining. All I do is consume more nutrients in order to replenish the losses I receive from working. My metabolic rate is fast since I'm still young, so there are a lot of counter productive forces at work in my body. But nothing too major that extra food/gainer wouldn't fix.


I mean, I'm exaggerating here. People do grow on these type of programs but more often than not there gains are not maximised and they end up running themselves into the ground. Nic.

I'll agree with you there. Most people simply don't know squat when it comes to proper dieting/lifting. If you do the research, talk to pros and amateurs, and are ALWAYS open to advice, guidance, and room for improvement then you will no doubt break your goals and keep pushing yourself to newer limits.

[KC]

I don't think training programs designed and used by pro bodybuilders should be used by anyone but pro bodybuilders.This. If you're not pro building then it's way more important to take your time and develop good habits you can maintain and not only work into your daily life but also enjoy. I learned the hard way with all of the hardcore shit I tried in the past, and none of it worked because I couldn't stick to them because I was working against my lifestyle and here I am 30lbs over my goal weight instead of the 20 I started at.

Almost down 5 lbs in the last 1 1/2 weeks, though, and my routine is easy as fuck and fulfilling and I love my diet. Still can go out on the weekends as long as I don't eat after because of the gains I make during the week (and that sacrifice in potential additional gains for beer is well worth it!).

Just got into a job with a regular schedule so it's a lot easier for me to work around. Doing starting strength for the most part now, though I'm having issues with lifting because I go to Snap and have to squat on a smith machine and do DB presses instead of using a barbell, but it's working so far. I lift MWF then run a mile after. I'm also just starting to incorporate running on Tuesdays and Thursdays (I'm slowly building up my program at a pace that I can handle and be comfortable with).

My diet during the week is simple and delicious. Eggs with veggies and an english muffin with cream cheese in the morning, two sandwiches and some wheat twists for lunch (with more veggies), a PWO shake (syntha-6 vanilla + dextrose and 5g creatine is FUCKING DELICIOUS) and two meals of spaghetti with bell peppers mixed in. It's absolutely delicious. I usually go off diet on the weekends but keep the calories contained so I'm not going over (aside from beers, but that's not excessive).

Frankly I'm surprised at the progress given that I went out drinking Thursday, Friday and Saturday last week hahaha. I'm finally feeling good about a program and that'll set me up for the long term. I'm hoping to reach my goal - 30 lbs down - by my birthday at the end of August. If I slowly keep ramping up the prog I'm sure I'll be able to hit it.

I'm financially basically broke right now because of being between jobs and without a paycheck for so long, but once I get them rolling in and my credit card paid down (I've been living off it for the past month) I'm also planning on getting in a sports league and doing some kind of martial arts.

[Meridian]

My diet during the week is simple and delicious. Eggs with veggies and an english muffin with cream cheese in the morning, two sandwiches and some wheat twists for lunch (with more veggies), a PWO shake (syntha-6 vanilla + dextrose and 5g creatine is FUCKING DELICIOUS) and two meals of spaghetti with bell peppers mixed in. It's absolutely delicious. I usually go off diet on the weekends but keep the calories contained so I'm not going over (aside from beers, but that's not excessive).
Damn, you're making me hungry.

Anyways, I have been doing a lot of exercising lately and have noticed that what keeps me from lifting heavy weight (especially bicep curls) seems to be my wrists. After a few reps I get a mild pain in them if I lift above, say, 12 kg on one arm.

I wondered if anyone had any tips to exercise the wrist area (insert jokes here, I guess), or any tips regarding wrist protectors or what not.

[Ocean Seal]

Hard Cardio everytime you feel like exercising. If you're questioning whether or not to exercise just do it. I feel as if that's something that helps me.

[xub3rn00dlex]

Anyways, I have been doing a lot of exercising lately and have noticed that what keeps me from lifting heavy weight (especially bicep curls) seems to be my wrists. After a few reps I get a mild pain in them if I lift above, say, 12 kg on one arm.

I wondered if anyone had any tips to exercise the wrist area (insert jokes here, I guess), or any tips regarding wrist protectors or what not.

Are you sure your form is correct? Did you attempt different grip stances and widths? I personally use VersaGripps when I train. They are a bit pricey, but I honestly recommend them to anyone who lifts heavy or is in need of some good training gloves.

As for exercising the wrist area, I used to have pain after I strained my wrist, so I'd just flex them or bend them, shake or rotate them and it would help stretch them before lifting.

[Niccolò Rossi]

Jay's Mr. O Routine currently. 2 day split. I can find the link to it if you want to see it.

Yeah that'd be cool.

Is it a two day split or a double split? I find it hard to imagine Jay training twice a week.


I'd have to disagree with you there. I don't have the decade+ worth of experience these guys have, but that is irrelevant. The most important factor when lifting is form. If you have proper form, then you are hitting your muscle groups properly and efficiently.

I don't agree at all. Proper excercise execution is essential to ensure adequate stimulation of the desired musculature and prevent injury but it's definitely not the most important factor. At the end of the day, it is always and only a question of the physiological stress induced by lifting and body's metabolic response to said stress. If you don't have the phsysiological adaptions that these guys have and the metabolic response, then no amount of good form is going to help you go (to the maximum potential) on these kind of programs.


One must crawl before sie can walk. :) These guys started out small too once upon a time.

Exactly right! And how much do you want to bet they started off using their current Mr. O routine! In fact you'll find that many many IFBB pros built their foundations on things like football training and powerlifting before BBing. Also, no matter who they are they all had crazy strength bases when they did embark on the road of BBing at a professional level.


Actually, food is more expensive than chemical enhancements. I can get a 3 month supply of deca/dbol/test e for approximately 350$ US. And considering these are cycled [ even if bridging is involved instead of full PCT ] I'd be spending less than 1000$ a year on chemical enhancements.

Yeah but these guys aren't just on deca/dbol/test - we're talking insulin, IGF-1, GH, Clen, diuretics and a fuckton more. Any reasonable course of GH on it's own is worth a small fortune.


And what better medical guidance than your local bromacist?? ;)

No doubt. If you get guys who are reputible, they know a shit load more about it than any GP you'll find. It's their job! But then again, pushing to skinny, weak kids with illusions of looking like Mr. O to get laid who not only don't need it but shouldn't be taking anything is also very easy.


I'll agree with you there. Most people simply don't know squat when it comes to proper dieting/lifting. If you do the research, talk to pros and amateurs, and are ALWAYS open to advice, guidance, and room for improvement then you will no doubt break your goals and keep pushing yourself to newer limits.

No doubt.

Nic.

[Niccolò Rossi]

I go to Snap and have to squat on a smith machine

My prayers are with you.

Nic.

[xub3rn00dlex]

Yeah that'd be cool.

Is it a two day split or a double split? I find it hard to imagine Jay training twice a week.

Shit, sorry for that but I meant double split. I have off on wednesdays and sundays.

http://muscleandbrawn.com/mr-olympia-jay-cutler-training-routines/



I don't agree at all. Proper excercise execution is essential to ensure adequate stimulation of the desired musculature and prevent injury but it's definitely not the most important factor. At the end of the day, it is always and only a question of the physiological stress induced by lifting and body's metabolic response to said stress. If you don't have the phsysiological adaptions that these guys have and the metabolic response, then no amount of good form is going to help you go (to the maximum potential) on these kind of programs.

What do you mean by physiological adaptations? See the way I understand it is if you hit the weights with proper form and are successful in tearing muscle fibers as much as your body can handle without causing injury, your job in the gym is done. It is now up to you to properly supply it with post workout nutrition and a good nights rest for recovery. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but physiological adaptations are what I'm trying to avoid. I want to constantly exert more pressure on my body than it can handle, so it doesn't get comfortable with a certain weight limit, and doesn't have time to adapt but rather must keep constantly adapting to the changes. I understand the metabolic response is the same, but this has a lot to do with genes ( cannot alter ) and nutrition ( controllable ) if I'm not mistaken. If you don't get the proper nutrition throughout your regimen, you won't make progress. Inside the gym, form is most important. Outside, food and sleep.



Exactly right! And how much do you want to bet they started off using their current Mr. O routine! In fact you'll find that many many IFBB pros built their foundations on things like football training and powerlifting before BBing. Also, no matter who they are they all had crazy strength bases when they did embark on the road of BBing at a professional level.

Luckily I did powerlifting in high school so I'm not coming out of the blue into this program. I have already been doing 5 day work weeks ( varying the routines ) for about a year and a half. I managed to gain ~80 lbs during the first year of my weight lifting, and am only 20 ( Jay is 37 ) and currently at 214 lbs.



Yeah but these guys aren't just on deca/dbol/test - we're talking insulin, IGF-1, GH, Clen, diuretics and a fuckton more. Any reasonable course of GH on it's own is worth a small fortune.

Actually most BBers do the cycle mentioned above, but also take additional supplements. They might vary their steroids and such, but it's all basically the same. Trenbolone is something the most experienced ones are on, but the negative sides of that are beyond ridiculous.

IGF-1 and GH are great and all, but IMO [and many non-professional juice heads I've spoken with] are not worth the money, or the risks. ( For now, I actually support the legalization of PEDs under supervision because there are possibilities to not only make them safer and cheaper, but also make them extremely beneficial to humankind. )

From my research on insulin, unless you suffer from diabetes it is a waste.

Clen and diuretics would be used for cutting phases, so for the entire year minus around 6-9 weeks pre-competition they are not used at all. Clen alone is fucking amazing, so I agree with you there.

I'm not nitpicking, just offering my thoughts on the supplements you listed. Have you done research into andarine?



No doubt. If you get guys who are reputible, they know a shit load more about it than any GP you'll find. It's their job! But then again, pushing to skinny, weak kids with illusions of looking like Mr. O to get laid who not only don't need it but shouldn't be taking anything is also very easy.

No doubt.

Nic.

I was small fry over a year ago, now I'm never happy with my weight and am constantly trying to get bigger. From talking to juice heads I've noticed that unless you are well educated in PEDs and are seriously approaching them with critiques/already established routines/ etc, they won't tell you what they're on. They'll feed you the whey and lots of food story, which will get you to a certain point, but not to Mr. O status. Me, personally this is a hobby that I ponder taking professionally at some point in my life. Whether or not I will do that remains to be seen. For now I'm very satisfied trying to outdo my own goals and keep growing larger every month, and I don't really need a trophy to make me feel like I'll achieve a physical state on par with the champs.

[Niccolò Rossi]

What do you mean by physiological adaptations?

Things like joint integrity, bone density, tendon and ligament thickness, increased lactic acid threshold, ATP-CP system efficiency, neuro-muscular efficiency and so on. These are all phsiological adaptations that bodybuilders at a professional level have accumulated making the volume/intensity/frequency at which they train possible and effective.


For now, I actually support the legalization of PEDs under supervision because there are possibilities to not only make them safer and cheaper, but also make them extremely beneficial to humankind.

Without a doubt.


Have you done research into andarine?

No, none.


For now I'm very satisfied trying to outdo my own goals and keep growing larger every month, and I don't really need a trophy to make me feel like I'll achieve a physical state on par with the champs.

I think that's a good outlook.

Nic.

[Blackburn]

A Nice fatty rare rump steak lightly cooked with a sprinkle of garlic salt.
Followed by a good couch session.

Lose weight every time. Backed up by science too :)

[ellipsis]

Cacao!!!

[xub3rn00dlex]

Things like joint integrity, bone density, tendon and ligament thickness, increased lactic acid threshold, ATP-CP system efficiency, neuro-muscular efficiency and so on. These are all phsiological adaptations that bodybuilders at a professional level have accumulated making the volume/intensity/frequency at which they train possible and effective.


PEDs such as steroids actually do cause ligament and joint problems, which I have not experienced during my cycle, but I know it's out there so I consider myself lucky. I don't know of a way to increase bone density, but I am assuming that GH would be the cause of artificial increases, hence IFBB competitors would no doubt spend a nice sponsored fortune on these supplements. I myself actually have a thicker than average bone density, so I consider myself again lucky enough to have a little advantage over other people who are starting out in the sport.

It is true that you develop these adaptations over time, but I still have to say that proper form, dieting, and recovery are more important than adaptations. If you manage to fuck up any or all of these three components, then your physiological adaptive process will either hinder or stagnate. I'm pretty positive that if I seek to do this professionally in the end, by the time I turn 37 I'll have most of the same adaptations that today's pros currently have.

Andarine is a research drug being developed to battle cancer. Currently cancer patients are given steroids in order to retain muscle while suffering from their sickness, but as we all know steroids have terrible side effects, especially for people battling with cancer. What andarine does is mimic the anabolic effects of steroids, without the harmful side effects normally associated with their usage. It is currently pricey, and I've only managed to find a bottle at $150 USD cheapest, but it does look promising, and is already no doubt largely in used by those with the right contacts.

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

Pretty sure 40 pull ups is close or over the world record bro :P

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

Reality is creatine works. Full-stop. Cycling is unnecessary. So yeah, we're in agreement here.

That's a fuck load of creatine. I supplement with 5 grams of creatine monohydrate per day. Of course I also get creatine from my food, but it's not over 10g total per day ever.

I mean 20g is a commonly suggested number to use for a 'loading phase', 30g seems rediculously high, especially if your training intensity and frequency is not extremely high.

Nic.

No offence but if your taking steroids, isn't creatine kinda redudant?

[xub3rn00dlex]

No offence but if your taking steroids, isn't creatine kinda redudant?

No it isn't redundant if done properly. A steroid cycle, depending on the steroids being used and the duration of the cycle, should be done without any creatine usage. However, following the cycle during PCT, creatine is perfect for retaining the gains made during cycle if it is used. Post cycle you can lose anywhere from 15%-20% ( this is highly sought after ) to everything gained on cycle ( if you don't do your research. ) In order to keep the testosterone from aromatizing, and AI ( aromatase inhibitor I believe ) is used, along with proper liver supplements, heart supplements, cholesterol supplements, etc. Also, natty test boosters and D-AA are recommended to help restart the system's own testosterone production.