If they were banned.. [Archive]

Ocean Seal

8th June 2011, 01:53

My reaction would be that I just got trolled hard, and I should probably stay home while the entire Mid-West takes to the streets and starts a battle with the "liberals" who took their guns away. Anyway I would probably get out before the Glenn Beck revolution.

the Left™

8th June 2011, 01:54

OH EM GEE teh state is takin away my armz. Revolushun! proteck da republic!

xub3rn00dlex

8th June 2011, 02:18

How else am I gonna bus' a cap when Palin comes to town =[

Tablo

8th June 2011, 02:20

I would be quite upset and would probably be out in the street complaining along with all the Tea Partiers. xD

Vendetta

8th June 2011, 03:51

Find a safe place for my guns, because I wouldn't give them up.

Os Cangaceiros

8th June 2011, 03:56

Banning 200+ million firearms (by the FBI's estimation) would be quite the undertaking.

Rusty Shackleford

8th June 2011, 03:59

It wont happen, but i would be quite upset. i love shooting.

Pretty Flaco

8th June 2011, 04:02

I would give up all the guns that I have, which is none.

Comrade_Oscar

8th June 2011, 04:20

I would be pissed off, not because of the guns (because I don't own any) but because I live in Texas and every redneck will climb out of his hut and be going around and blaming Obama and his liberals.

xub3rn00dlex

8th June 2011, 04:22

I would give up all the guns that I have, which is none.

I refuse to amputate my biceps! :D

Proukunin

8th June 2011, 04:24

What shall we do if the Ron Paul revolution or the Glen Beck revolution takes hold. I feel that it could have potential with all the blinded people out their

A Revolutionary Tool

8th June 2011, 04:25

I would go buy a gun to defend myself from the hordes of conservatives that would try and attack me. I mean they think we all want to take their guns away because we're leftists.

Imposter Marxist

8th June 2011, 04:28

id wonder wtf the plot of Grand theft auto games would be

xub3rn00dlex

8th June 2011, 04:28

What shall we do if the Ron Paul revolution or the Glen Beck revolution takes hold. I feel that it could have potential with all the blinded people out their

What the hell is this Glen Beck revolution everyone keeps talking about? Just curious, 'cause I'm pretty sure that moron got fired?

id wonder wtf the plot of Grand theft auto games would be

Helping elderly people across the street into oncoming traffic maybe?

Rusty Shackleford

8th June 2011, 04:30

id wonder wtf the plot of Grand theft auto games would be

At least there would be grounds to make it outside of the US.

imagine, Grand Theft Auto that ISNT in the fucking US besides the old london 69 GTA

bcbm

8th June 2011, 04:57

from my cold dead hands

Rusty Shackleford

8th June 2011, 05:04

from my cold dead hands

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTmNYWPww1Ligs5MAeA_ysu2ghT-FtZzjXZcR3nvgL2Cwy7IwXy&t=1
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Soviets = godless libruls Took er geerns.

wolverines: the inevitable conservative backlash.

bcbm

8th June 2011, 05:08

wolverines were heroes liberating america from the imperialist soviet forces

Rusty Shackleford

8th June 2011, 05:19

wolverines were heroes liberating america from the imperialist soviet forces
and patrick swayze.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3494/3208029208_ae42774c58.jpg

A Revolutionary Tool

8th June 2011, 05:47

I find the idea funny that the Soviets would have spent any time decimating a small insignificant town in Colorado. Especially with the whole shooting at schools and school-buses. Like they're invading America and the first stop is fucking who cares Colorado let's shoot these kids.

Rusty Shackleford

8th June 2011, 05:50

thats why its such a fucking great movie. its plot is dumb as fuck.

Magón

8th June 2011, 06:10

Pfft, I'd load up all my ammunition & guns, and take them to Mexico. DUH!

bcbm

8th June 2011, 21:02

Buitraker

8th June 2011, 21:17

And what do you do with this people?

http://scienceblogs.com/isisthescientist/redneck%202%20copy.jpg

Blake's Baby

8th June 2011, 21:25

I'd applaud the fact that the US had finally dragged itself out of the 17th century.

Tablo

8th June 2011, 23:13

I'd applaud the fact that the US had finally dragged itself out of the 17th century.
Lol, are you being sarcastic?

Blake's Baby

8th June 2011, 23:35

The Man

8th June 2011, 23:51

Blake's Baby

8th June 2011, 23:55

My point exactly. I wouldn't give a crap, except, as already mentioned, thinking it may be good thing if fewer Americans were murdered (contrary to received opinion, not everyone on Revleft thinks Americans being murdered is a good thing).

coda

9th June 2011, 00:01

guns are an unequal advantage.. so I can only think communities would improve without them..

Hey, Whatever happened to the old dual or boxing match.. at least skill won out there.

bcbm

9th June 2011, 02:14

you know who else banned guns? the nazis

/thread

The Douche

9th June 2011, 02:20

Gun threads on revleft make me wish I wasn't a communist.

Most things on revleft make me wish I wasn't a communist.

Johnny Kerosene

9th June 2011, 02:40

Pfft, I'd load up all my ammunition & guns, and take them to Mexico. DUH!

Damn you beat me to it.

Also, if guns were banned, I assume that that would only apply to civilians. The Police and Military would still be locked and loaded and ready to shoot the newly disarmed protesters.

EDIT: +1 to cmoney

Tablo

9th June 2011, 03:23

I'm being ... provocative. I wouldn't really applaud, but it would have dragged itself out of the 17th century.

Apart from being mildly surprised when I heard about it on the news and thinking perhaps that fewer Americans might be murdered, I guess my life would continue with no adjustment necessary, as, like 95% of the world's population, I live outside the USA and I really don't care all that much.

My point exactly. I wouldn't give a crap, except, as already mentioned, thinking it may be good thing if fewer Americans were murdered (contrary to received opinion, not everyone on Revleft thinks Americans being murdered is a good thing).
I don't think you are aware how many of the firearms used by criminals are smuggled into the country. Whether average citizens have guns or not there will still be shootings. Besides, why would we want to be without firearms when the bourgeois dictatorship is armed.

The Douche

9th June 2011, 04:27

Tsukae, don't feed the trolls.

Tablo

9th June 2011, 04:36

Tsukae, don't feed the trolls.
It's so hard not to. xP

Robespierre Richard

9th June 2011, 04:38

If guns were banned I'd sit in my basement and listen to Immortal Technique.

Agent Ducky

9th June 2011, 08:34

And what do you do with this people?

http://scienceblogs.com/isisthescientist/redneck%202%20copy.jpg

If guns were banned, maybe this guy would wear pants? Please?

Black Sheep

9th June 2011, 09:07

gun loving rednecks all over this thread

Devrim

9th June 2011, 09:22

Tsukae, don't feed the trolls.

I don't think that the poster 'Blake's Baby' was trolling in any way, and the fact that you think so reflects the vast difference between views about guns in the US and the rest of the world.

Devrim

Hebrew Hammer

9th June 2011, 09:34

If guns were banned in the U.S., meaning all Machine guns, Semi-Automatics, Bolt Actions, Shotguns, and Pistols. What would you do and what would your reaction be?

There is already an arms black market in America? Probably get some on the dl.

How else am I gonna bus' a cap when Palin comes to town =[

Sarah Palin is the only cougar I'd put a gun too.

The Douche

9th June 2011, 16:07

I don't think that the poster 'Blake's Baby' was trolling in any way, and the fact that you think so reflects the vast difference between views about guns in the US and the rest of the world.

Devrim

But that is exactly my point, there is a vast difference between views about guns in the US and rest of the world. I do understand this, but there are many hoplophobes on this website who refuse to understand this.

I have grown up around guns my entire life, shooting was an important part of my childhood, its how I spent time with my father, its how my friends and I spent time together, its what I do on my days off now, its how I spend time with my girlfriend, its how I spend time with my friends currently, it helps me meet new people, it helps me make new friends, it occupies my free time in a constructive way, and finally they have been use in my own self-defense. But to posters like blakes baby, guns are nothing more than senseless and archaic devices for the slaughter of innocents.

And so yes, people like him, and others, who post in threads like these, do make me wish I was not a communist, the issue of guns often brings out the worst in communist, both for those infected with remnants of political liberalism or authoritarianism, and those with a childish fetish for violence and guerrilla warfare.

Blake's Baby

9th June 2011, 16:59

... there are many hoplophobes on this website ...

You do know 'hoplophobia' isn't real, don't you? It was invented as a term of abuse by a US Army Colonel to insinuate that there was something wrong with people who didn't think guns were cool. It has no scientific validity as far as mental health goes. Unless you think that whatever the US military says about guns is right of course.

... But to posters like blakes baby, guns are nothing more than senseless and archaic devices for the slaughter of innocents...

Of course guns are 'senseless' in that they don't have senses.

But they are also archaic devices for the slaughter of innocents, yes. You do know what guns are for, don't you? They were invented in the Middle Ages to kill people.

And because I cannot see the progressive or humanistic content of machines for killing other people, you insinuate that I'm suffering from mental delusion. Nice. Do you see me going on about how anyone who loves guns so much is compensating for anxiety over their small penis? No, you don't. So please don't bring your psychobabble bullshit into the discussion.

...
And so yes, people like him, and others, who post in threads like these, do make me wish I was not a communist...

The feeling's mutual, comrade.

Devrim

9th June 2011, 20:24

But that is exactly my point, there is a vast difference between views about guns in the US and rest of the world. I do understand this, but there are many hoplophobes on this website who refuse to understand this.

Having a different opinion isn't trolling.

I have grown up around guns my entire life, shooting was an important part of my childhood, its how I spent time with my father, its how my friends and I spent time together, its what I do on my days off now, its how I spend time with my girlfriend, its how I spend time with my friends currently, it helps me meet new people, it helps me make new friends, it occupies my free time in a constructive way, and finally they have been use in my own self-defense.

I don't quiet see what is constructive about it. Personally I would suggest trying to develop a wider field of interests.

Devrim

JustMovement

9th June 2011, 20:47

Im not American, Ive never held a gun, much less shot one, but I dont see what buisiness it is of ours to tell others what they can or cannot do. In the US guns have a much wider cultural significance than in the rest of the world. Although they can be, they are not necessarily associated with (class, gender, race) oppression. If it was another country, people would think twice before telling other people to change their customs and habits, but because it is the imperialist U.S. then there is no problem.

I do not deny that they are dangerous, but so are many other things. I dont think that as a communist one has to take any specific stance towards guns.

RedSunRising

9th June 2011, 20:47

I don't quiet see what is constructive about it. Personally I would suggest trying to develop a wider field of interests.

Devrim

Huh if someone said to an English person a lot of who's life revolved around football that they should develop a wider field of interests how do you think they would react? Obviously there is skill involved in shooting and there is a massive social element involved in it for cmoney, both of which are constructive. In a socialist society people will be required to own guns and know how to use them, at least that wont be a heavy duty for cmoney.

JustMovement

9th June 2011, 20:52

In a socialist society people will be required to own guns and know how to use them, at least that wont be a heavy duty for cmoney.

I completely disagree with this. Im happy that we dont have a gun culture in Europe. I feel safer knowing that even most cops arent carrying heat. Im happy knowing that some kid doesnt have to just open the wrong cabinet to bring a Glock to school. But the bottom line is that it is not up to us to tell Americans to change their culture.

RedSunRising

9th June 2011, 21:01

I completely disagree with this. Im happy that we dont have a gun culture in Europe. I feel safer knowing that even most cops arent carrying heat. Im happy knowing that some kid doesnt have to just open the wrong cabinet to bring a Glock to school. But the bottom line is that it is not up to us to tell Americans to change their culture.

What are your views on drugs and alcohol? I mean should they be banned too? (Personally I would ban drugs, but maybe not cannibis). What about cars which cause so many deaths on the roads?

An armed people is a necesscity under socialism to maintain it.

bcbm

9th June 2011, 21:09

cars kill more people every year than guns. car culture is more destructive to both people and the environment than gun culture.

JustMovement

9th June 2011, 21:14

Well thats the thing, I dont think there is a particular "communist" stance on drugs and alcohol, it varies from community to community and culture to culture.

I can give you my personal take on it, which is that if there was a button I could press and every drug and every drop of alcohol would just disappear, than I would not think twice of pressing it, but there isnt a button like that, and we have to accept that prohibition (maybe not cocaine and heroin) is pointless.

And before people start accusing me of being a puritan Ill admit that i do use drugs and alcohol, but I have no illusions that its somethign romantic and rebellious, sayign fuck you to the man or whatever, Ive seen enough of my friends gone to waste because of it ,especially alcohol.

As far as the cars and guns thing, etc. maybe there is a place where it makes sense to ban cars, that up to that community to decide, which is the same as with guns. And I dont buy that you need privately armed citizens to maintain socialism, but maybe thats not a discussion that is good for chit chat.

RedSunRising

9th June 2011, 21:22

cars kill more people every year than guns. car culture is more destructive to both people and the environment than gun culture.

Definitely. Very good point.

bcbm

9th June 2011, 21:24

i do use drugs and alcohol, but I have no illusions that its somethign romantic and rebellious, sayign fuck you to the man or whatever

um i don't think most people hold those illusions, they use drugs and alcohol because they're fun

JustMovement

9th June 2011, 21:33

I think people do tend to romanticise their drug use.

Rusty Shackleford

9th June 2011, 22:38

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Blake's Baby

9th June 2011, 23:01

... I dont see what buisiness it is of ours to tell others what they can or cannot do...

And has anyone actually done that, or is that a strawman?

Those of us who don't think guns are great are being told we're mentally disturbed and accused of cultural imperialism. Which isn't true. The fact is that we're just not very impressed and that makes some people defensive and angry. Can't think why they would be so touchy about it personally, it's not as if it has the slightest impact on the rest of the world.

Welshy

9th June 2011, 23:52

I would be angry. I enjoy hunting and shooting at a firing range and I plan on doing these things when I get older as well (I currently don't own a gun). I think there should be restrictions on who gets gun (for example I wouldn't want someone with severe psychological disorder having guns) and I think that anyone who owns a gun should undergo a lot of safety training.

Also any law banning guns wouldn't go over well in the US and I think any communist advocating a complete ban of guns would be alienating themselves from a good section of the working class in this country. Also why would you want a bourgeois state to have a complete monopoly on gun ownership?

The Douche

10th June 2011, 01:38

Having a different opinion isn't trolling.

I interpreted a very condescending tone in his post, and the arguements from anti-gun individuals are often condescending. Its not trolling to say "I don't like guns, wouldn't own one", it is trolling to say "they should ban those arachaic implements of destruction".

I don't quiet see what is constructive about it. Personally I would suggest trying to develop a wider field of interests.

:rolleyes: You don't see whats constructive about spending time with friends and family? Should I abandon all my hobbies, or just the ones you're not interested in?

Blake's Baby

10th June 2011, 01:46

... Its not trolling to say "I don't like guns, wouldn't own one", it is trolling to say "they should ban those arachaic implements of destruction"...

Which I never said, so back off and/or learn to read.

Devrim was right. I wasn't trolling to start with, but your prissy and snide attitude has brought out the worst in me. You have tried to insinuate that I have a mental health disorder - sadly for your case, not one that even exists, but one that was deliberately invented to justify American gun-laws, allied youself with an ideologist of the US military, and become incredibly defensive because we don't share your interests.

Lighten up and find something more constructive to do, is my advice.

Tablo

10th June 2011, 01:50

Which I never said, so back off and/or learn to read.

Devrim was right. I wasn't trolling to start with, but your prissy and snide attitude has brought out the worst in me. You have tried to insinuate that I have a mental health disorder - sadly for your case, not one that even exists, but one that was deliberately invented to justify American gun-laws, allied youself with an ideologist of the US military, and become incredibly defensive because we don't share your interests.

Lighten up and find something more constructive to do, is my advice.
What is something more constructive to do?

Broletariat

10th June 2011, 01:59

I would be interested to see opinions on things like how archery is still legalised. I can draw parallels to cmoney's tale of being in a gun shooting range to my days in the boyscouts when we shot bow and arrows together. And what about guns in the context of hunting or population control or some such?

The Douche

10th June 2011, 02:26

What is something more constructive to do?

Maybe I should take a swing at internet trolling...

Which I never said, so back off and/or learn to read.

they are also archaic devices for the slaughter of innocents, yes

;)

Hebrew Hammer

10th June 2011, 04:02

from my cold dead hands

Exactly:

http://sumodawg.com/AR15.jpg

Devrim

10th June 2011, 09:07

:rolleyes: You don't see whats constructive about spending time with friends and family?

You obviously use a different definition of constructive to both myself and dictionaries.

Should I abandon all my hobbies, or just the ones you're not interested in?

I didn't suggest that you should abandon any of your hobbies nor am I totally uninterested in shooting and I even actually go hunting from time to time. What I suggested was "trying to develop a wider field of interests". Maybe a reading comprehension course would be a good place to start.

Devrim

Blackscare

10th June 2011, 09:17

How else am I gonna bus' a cap when Palin comes to town =[

That is a supremely stupid thing to type on the internet's largest english based leftist forum that is, for a fact, monitored. Users have had their homes raided after saying things to this effect in the past (albeit more consistently and forcefully).

I'm not even sure of the procedure here but have an administrative warning for absolute stupidity and putting this community at risk by making threats to politicians. Anything else like this from you and I will bring this up for discussion with the rest of the administration here to have you banned for being a security risk. No bueno.

Blackscare

10th June 2011, 09:21

Sarah Palin is the only cougar I'd put a gun too.

You, stop, no.

Tablo

10th June 2011, 09:31

So, I'm confused. Is there anyone in this thread actually opposed to gun ownership? I'm a little but fucked so I think I'm misreading everything...

Blake's Baby

10th June 2011, 10:39

... they are also archaic devices for the slaughter of innocents, yes...

... it is trolling to say "they should ban those arachaic implements of destruction"...

Which I never said, so back off and/or learn to read...

...
;)

Being smug only works if you have something to be smug about. If you are wrong, you just look like an idiot.

So, again, can you tell me where I called for the banning of guns? Preferably quoting the bit where I said it and linking back to my post?

La Comédie Noire

10th June 2011, 19:02

I don't own guns, so eh.

Johnny Kerosene

13th June 2011, 04:42

I'd be pretty pissed.
1. It'd be more difficult to arm the people against the bourgeoisie.
2. Guns are fucking cool
3. My dad has a Springfield 30.06 hunting rifle that's fucking awesome, that's going to be mine someday, and it's perfect because it has my Grandpa's first initial and last name engraved on it, which are the same as my first initial and last name.