Describe an average day in your ideal political system.

[Torie]

I'm curious to see how everyone envisions this because it isn't often that I see in-depth descriptions of how a certain political theory would affect everyday existence for the average person.

[Heathen Communist]

I'm not exactly sure. An ideal society would have to manifest itself before I could begin to understand its subtle details. I am more concerned with solving issues currently at hand.

[Manic Impressive]

Get up have a good meal
go to work with a smile on my face
leave work with a smile on my face
come home
have another good meal
spend some quality time with the family and friends
or learning or just relaxing
go to bed

[Ocean Seal]

Wake up in the morning feeling like P. Didd--- oh wait
I wake up in a decent sized home and eat some toast
I get on a train to work with plenty of other proletarians

The train is fairly shiny and the railroad is fairly clean.
The ride is about a half hour

I get to work, work for about 6 hours with a lunch hour inbetween
Go to the library and read up on physics and philosophy for fun
Get back to the train station
Walk home
Eat dinner and talk with family
Watch tv and go to sleep

[xub3rn00dlex]

Wake up from a relaxing sleep
Have my first big meal of the day
Get high at the local co-op owned shop/cafe. Choose from worldy variety
Go to work for 3 hours.


Second big meal of the day
1-2 hour siesta
Third big meal of the day


Work for another 3 hours.
Leave extremely satisfied.
Go have dinner with family/friends.
Workout for an hour.
Get high from another variety from the local co-op.
Sleep

[Kuppo Shakur]

- Crazy Sloppy Sex Party / DRUUUGZ
- Over 20 hours of sleep.
- Maybe do some productive work.
- Use all of my free time to work on super cool projects like colliding particles or programming sentient AI:cool:.
- Repeat.

[Rooster]

Free red bull and cigarettes for all.

[ZeroNowhere]

Someone does something and then something happens.

On a more serious note, I don't have an 'ideal political system', and I think that imaginative exercises such as this are more suited to propagandists or debaters, neither being an occupation which I could willingly take up while maintaining self-respect. I certainly don't have any system which will be best for man in the abstract, nor any Rights of Man or arbitrary universal moral laws or purposes with which to form a system, because there exist no men in the abstract. The moral ideal as an abstract system or collection of moral laws pulled out of one's rectum, the impotent 'ought', is merely an expression of alienation, and real morality exists in real practice and the imposition of one's will as necessity, in other words in everyday life.

[Johnny Kerosene]

-Wake up, eat... whenever,
-Go to work a few hours later, preferably like midday or something
-Leave work after an average of 6 or 7 hours
-go do, something, depending on relationship status, what's going down and shit
-sleep somewhere, probably at home

Mix cannabis use in with various parts of this schedule, and plenty of cigarette breaks

EXCEPT
when I don't have work (like weekends or vacations)
-Party
-Party some more
-Stop partying for a few minutes
-Party harder
-sleep for the rest of my time off

By party I mean hang out with people while in a not-sober state.

[Glenn Beckunin]

Wake up in a treehouse or teepee, go to garden for a bit of early morning work and quick breakfast, then make the short trek to local artisan facility to have a workers' soviet about what the self-contained community needs made, and then collaborate for a few hours on the project.

Have another meal and afternoon siesta, along with spontaneous music playing and group discussions. Perhaps spend some more time in the manufactory, or work on some art.

There happens to be visiting people that day in the village, so I spend the rest of the evening showing them around and discussing ways of improving our methodology, and swapping stories.

Probably a lot of time spend in worship and reverence of Divine Nature, as well.

[06hurdwp]

- Wake up
- Have a good breakfast with my family
- Go to work
- Have a good lunch at work
- Feel happy at work
- Come home from work
- Play on my free computer, watch programmes on my free tv
- Have a good dinner
- Laugh at what life was like in the year 2011

[ckaihatsu]

In line with the material reality that all activity is either work-related (productive), pleasure-related (consumption), or administrative / managerial (political), I'd see an average day in a workers-collectivized post-capitalist world to be *generically* similar, but *qualitatively* far more dynamic, socially interlinked, and collectively empowering for all. (Scenarios are at the links at the end of this post.)

With liberated-labor-based *political* liberation the question of civilization could be thrown open to actual everyday participatory planning on a global scale, finally and for the rest of time. For those so motivated by the issue of what to use the world for, each day would most likely involve *some* time dedicated to the politics of the day, including creating media materials for the public in order to advocate for a certain self-chosen involvement on the part of mass liberated labor.

Factional, strategic, and logistical details would have to be argued for as well, possibly at more-local levels, particularly once projects became finalized at broad scales of mass public approval.

This, then, is what would be considered 'work' for the most part, from most people, since the details of implementation -- as for physical tasks -- would have long since been relegated to mechanically powered machinery so as to eliminate all forms of drudgery from the human experience.

Pleasures would abound, especially for those who took such investigations seriously throughout their lives. The pantheon of pleasure-inducing experiences would grow exponentially as the human population freed itself to turn to such pursuits en masse, and to document and share the same with all others. All vestigal hindrances to these pursuits would have been eviscerated, with an effortless freedom of communications, movement, lodging, and sustenance available to anyone, at any time, anywhere on the globe.

Social relations would finally be fully intentional on the part of all, with all fully comfortable in their knowledge that no material motivations existed any longer to fuel the least of ulterior motivations on the part of any.


[6] Worldview Diagram

http://postimage.org/image/1budmnp50/


communist supply & demand -- Model of Material Factors

http://postimage.org/image/35sw8csv8/


Thanks, comrades at Revleft.com — see ‘A world without money,’ at tinyurl.com/ylm3gev and ‘Hours as a measure of labor,’ at tinyurl.com/yh3jr9x

[Wanted Man]

Too much spam in this thread. I trashed spammy posts, but will move the thread to Chit Chat if people can't discuss the topic normally.

[Magón]

- Wake up & Eat
- Do my morning run
- Shower & Dress
- Do 4-5hrs of Work w/a lunch break at the nearby Burrito Co-op restaurant
- Come home & relax for a couple hours & watch TV/read
- Play at the beach (if it's nice enough)
- Maybe smoke a blunt & eat dinner
- Have sex if I was in the mood
- Go to bed

The lack of Sex, and more Work in this thread is frightening. :p

[ckaihatsu]

With all due respect to everyone on this thread, and to ZN here...





Someone does something and then something happens.

On a more serious note, I don't have an 'ideal political system', and I think that imaginative exercises such as this are more suited to propagandists or debaters, neither being an occupation which I could willingly take up while maintaining self-respect. I certainly don't have any system which will be best for man in the abstract, nor any Rights of Man or arbitrary universal moral laws or purposes with which to form a system, because there exist no men in the abstract. The moral ideal as an abstract system or collection of moral laws pulled out of one's rectum, the impotent 'ought', is merely an expression of alienation, and real morality exists in real practice and the imposition of one's will as necessity, in other words in everyday life.


...I have to say that I find it a bit troubling that so many here are providing descriptions of desired social life that *don't require* mass political revolution for their realization.

And for ZN to conflate "imaginative exercises" [in describing sought-after human relations] with "arbitrary universal moral laws or purposes" belies a profoundly *dismissive* attitude that is hardly characteristic of being revolutionary-minded.

If political life was as simple as living today in a libertarian way, as best as one could afford under capitalism, then everyone should simply become anarchists out of sheer convenience, eschewing any sense of the body politic and the world's societal need for proletarian revolution.

I'm sorry to be the one to have to say it, but most of the responses here are far less than satisfactory.

[Die Rote Fahne]

1984 o.O

[o well this is ok I guess]

There's no need to elaborate on the steps of the average day.

Quite simply, "whatever I feel like doing".

[ZeroNowhere]

And for ZN to conflate "imaginative exercises" [in describing sought-after human relations] with "arbitrary universal moral laws or purposes" belies a profoundly *dismissive* attitude that is hardly characteristic of being revolutionary-minded.No, it's just a profoundly dismissive attitude. It's certainly not 'The German Ideology', so if anything it could do with turning the dismissive attitude up a notch if it's to reach revolutionary levels.


If political life was as simple as living today in a libertarian way, as best as one could afford under capitalism, then everyone should simply become anarchists out of sheer convenience, eschewing any sense of the body politic and the world's societal need for proletarian revolution.Who said anything about libertarianism? I'm not a libertarian socialist. In any case, real, human morality does not exist yet on the social level precisely because it does not exist in actual practice, due to the alienation of society from the individual, and, while reason exists, it takes the alien form of the state, and hence necessarily reduces to particular appetites and an ideological facade (reason exists in unreasonable form, to borrow a phrase). Communists are for the imposition of proletarian interests as the illusory general interest, which is not a matter of moral action, of the social interest, precisely because there is none yet. If it is to be declared moral, it can only be from the divorce of ethics from real interests, and hence their reduction to arbitrariness.

In any case, if the world has a societal need for proletarian revolution, it will make itself heard soon enough, being as it is a need. People can become anarchists out of convenience all they like, but economic necessity and capitalist laws of motion could not be less concerned about their freedom. And in crisis, 'convenience' is just as revolutionary as anything else.

[ckaihatsu]

And for ZN to conflate "imaginative exercises" [in describing sought-after human relations] with "arbitrary universal moral laws or purposes" belies a profoundly *dismissive* attitude that is hardly characteristic of being revolutionary-minded.





No, it's just a profoundly dismissive attitude. It's certainly not 'The German Ideology', so if anything it could do with turning the dismissive attitude up a notch if it's to reach revolutionary levels.


I only characterized your take on goal-setting -- if you will -- as 'dismissive' because of your attaching of it to the abstract, arbitrary realm of moralizing.

You do elaborate further here....





Who said anything about libertarianism? I'm not a libertarian socialist. In any case, real, human morality does not exist yet on the social level precisely because it does not exist in actual practice, due to the alienation of society from the individual, and, while reason exists, it takes the alien form of the state, and hence necessarily reduces to particular appetites and an ideological facade (reason exists in unreasonable form, to borrow a phrase).


Agreed.





Communists are for the imposition of proletarian interests as the illusory general interest, which is not a matter of moral action, of the social interest, precisely because there is none yet. If it is to be declared moral, it can only be from the divorce of ethics from real interests, and hence their reduction to arbitrariness.


Agreed, and I'm just not understanding where this concern with "morality" is coming from. You're explaining how, even in a post-private-interest communist society, there would continue to be real (material) interests in motion, the examination of which would tell us *nothing* about "ethics" / "morality", thus leaving those material interests as being roughly arbitrary in motivation.

I don't know how else to put this, but this is *exactly* what I signed up for. The introduction of "morality" into these arbitrary material political initiatives is an unwanted unnecessary complication, all around.





In any case, if the world has a societal need for proletarian revolution, it will make itself heard soon enough, being as it is a need.


I would *like* to agree with you here, but the objective reality remains that the world has both needed and been capable of proletarian revolution since the French Revolution, and arguably earlier than that. Actual struggle and realization does not follow automatically, unfortunately.





People can become anarchists out of convenience all they like, but economic necessity and capitalist laws of motion could not be less concerned about their freedom. And in crisis, 'convenience' is just as revolutionary as anything else.


Okay, fair enough.

[∞]

Wake up around 3pm
Have a dinner, Vegan of course
Have some of that free love
Smoke grass and listen to The Casualties
Stay up all night and punk rawking
everyone has a Mohawk by the way

Society #2


Wake up 6am
Go to factory
12 minute lunch
Back to work
Go to soviet food store
What should I get? Half a loaf of wheat or white? Should last a few months .
Sleep, KGB patrol the streets at this time

[Wanted Man]

Moved to Chit Chat.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Wake up around 3pm
Have a dinner, Vegan of course
Have some of that free love
Smoke grass and listen to The Casualties
Stay up all night and punk rawking
everyone has a Mohawk by the way

Society #2


Wake up 6am
Go to factory
12 minute lunch
Back to work
Go to soviet food store
What should I get? Half a loaf of wheat or white? Should last a few months .
Sleep, KGB patrol the streets at this time




so in your ideal society, you dont do shit? idealism for sure :lol:



anyways.
Working days
wake up, eat food, drink coffee or whatever enjoy a ciggie or 2, hang out for a while.
go to work work 8 hours with 1 hr paid lunch and 2 paid 15 minute breaks.
go home, relax a bit.
go out and eat at a cafe/restaurant with some friends or co-workers. bullshit.
do some politics if necessary.
go out with friends and drink or whatever.

days off:
wake up, get food at restaurant with friends and co-workers
hand out. go for a drive or ride to some place cool.
hang out there for a while. grab a beer and bullshit with whomever.
do something fun or whatever.
go home.

in general. on days off. do as i please for 2-3 days.

shit if i want to. play vidya games for a day or 2.

for the lulz:
wake up, do exercises as directed by state television
bathe, groom, put boiler suit on.
go to industrial part of town, work 10 hours. 3 10 min breaks and 30 min lunch
go home. drink cheap alcohol smoke cheap cigarettes.
eat stale food.
get into uniform
parade streets with red flag and tanks.
go to bed
get up in 4 hours.

[Manic Impressive]

go to work work 8 hours with 1 hr paid lunch and 2 paid 15 minute breaks.

paid :confused: what are you a market socialist or something?

[∞]

so in your ideal society, you dont do shit? idealism for sure :lol:



anyways.
Working days
wake up, eat food, drink coffee or whatever enjoy a ciggie or 2, hang out for a while.
go to work work 8 hours with 1 hr paid lunch and 2 paid 15 minute breaks.
go home, relax a bit.
go out and eat at a cafe/restaurant with some friends or co-workers. bullshit.
do some politics if necessary.
go out with friends and drink or whatever.

days off:
wake up, get food at restaurant with friends and co-workers
hand out. go for a drive or ride to some place cool.
hang out there for a while. grab a beer and bullshit with whomever.
do something fun or whatever.
go home.

in general. on days off. do as i please for 2-3 days.

shit if i want to. play vidya games for a day or 2.

for the lulz:
wake up, do exercises as directed by state television
bathe, groom, put boiler suit on.
go to industrial part of town, work 10 hours. 3 10 min breaks and 30 min lunch
go home. drink cheap alcohol smoke cheap cigarettes.
eat stale food.
get into uniform
parade streets with red flag and tanks.
go to bed
get up in 4 hours.

I hope you didn't take my post seriously, :glare:.

[Angry Young Man]

Wake and bake, then a harem of seventeen year old boys come in with a platter of marmite sandwiches and baklawa. After that, I set to dramatising whichever novel I'm on at the time for a couple of hours. After a hard day at the office, I take a dab of mandy and pork Karl from Shameless.

[Hebrew Hammer]

My ideal society? Anything? Probably a little something like this:

1. Wake up.
2. Smoke nargila, gotta be mastool son.
3. Sex gf.
4. Eat some curry.
5. Do some oceanic or meterological research (my dream job).
6. Smoke nargila.
7. Eat more curry.
8. Get done with work, go to cafe.
9. Play backgammon, drink coffee or espreso and smoke nargila.
10. Go home.
11. Pour a glass of gin or 5 and sex gf.
12. Smoke nargila.
13. Sex gf.
14. Eat munchies and drink more gin.
15. Sleep.

[Cleansing Conspiratorial Revolutionary Flame]

1. Typical Morning
2. Four Hours of Productive Labor/Intellectual Labor
3. Joint discussions of issues effecting Productive/Intellectual Labor and potential Democratic Decisions relating to this.
4. Activities
5. Sleep and the beginning of a new day.

Alternatively in a Stalinist Society...

1. Morning following the cleaning of the Stalin Portrait.
2. Commuting to Work in order to produce Steel for 10 Hours in order to increase the maximum industrial production.
3. Steel produced following ten hours of labor.
4. Proceed home; Clean Stalin Portrait
5. Dinner
6. Take part in a Community NKVD Patrol
7. Sleep
:lol:

[Rusty Shackleford]

paid :confused: what are you a market socialist or something?
you know what. i think i was thinking about what i wanted right now.


anwyas, ideal society.

work for a few hours, do some fun stuff, go back to work. hell if i want to i can work for a few more hours and be done for the day. go out get a nice bite to eat. so more fun stuff.

maybe ill go work at the place i just ate at. clean my dishes and help serve or something. why not eh?

[wunderbar]

Weekdays and Sundays

1. Awoken by sound of horns and military choir via intercom in everyone's home.
2. Walk by gold statue of revolutionary leader on the way to work.
3. Work for 10 hours, slice of cheese at noon:
7xNnRBksvOU
4. Wonder why coworker friend hasn't shown up for work in a week and can't be contacted.
5. Work done, 30-minute secret meeting of workers trying to organize for better working conditions.
6. Come home, open mail, which has already been opened. Application to join party denied again.
7. One hour of TV news on state channel showcasing the great progress the party has made since the revolution.
8. Alcohol and sleep.

Saturdays

1. Day off work.
2. Parades and revolutionary songs.
3. Revolutionary youth brigade go door-to-door to make sure everyone is at the parades and songs.

Repeat until arrested.

[Vanguard1917]

One thing is for sure, i hope i will not be hunting in the morning, fishing in the afternoon or rearing cattle in the evening; although i might do a bit of criticising after dinner if it didn't taste all that great.

[Nietzsche's Ghost]

Wake
Bake
Talk to my gorilla (everyone lives with a gorilla that can speak)
Ride tandem bike with gorilla to work.
Work at work (everything is worker self-managed)
Lunch bake
Work at work some more
Leave with gorilla to Bacon Restaurant
Go home with gorilla
Discuss the meaning of existence with gorilla
Bake
Bed

[Patchd]

I wake up, decide its too early, go back to bed, wake up 3 hours later, have a couple of bongs, head off out to work, come back 2 hours after finishing my shift and carry on smoking.

[Ermo Kruus]

- Wake up
- Go to work using free public transport
- Have meeting with everybody at the workplace, discussing demand and supply and making lists with the ones who's responsible for doing this and that.
- Work for three hours
- Break with delicious food brought by the local lunch food co-operative.
- Work for two hours
- Go to store and buy shit with digital voucher showing how much I can take according to the number of working hours I've done that week.
- Go to local commune/neighbourhood/city meeting to vote on decisions once a week, or if I'm lazy or ill, I'll just vote through my computer.
- Sleep

:cool:

[Angry Young Man]

Sam_B hasn't posted in this. Does that mean he can't even vaguely conceive a better world?

-Wake up before dawn and knock back some whisky
-Think about dead wife
-Read Dostoevsky
-Go out onto the moor and weep for a couple of hours
-Listen to Radiohead
-Go to bed just before dawn, praying not to wake