the disabled

[commieboy]

Like where will they work and how will they work, and i'm talking about mentally handicapped too...where will they go when they cannot work....or aid to the country?

I think they should be taught a trade which is easy for some mental cases....but what about the ones where they have the intelligence of an infant? where do they go?

[Ian]

Well firstly they will be treated much better with a socialist or communist system than they would with a capitalist system (in Australia a company called Cumberland Industries pays disabled people a tiny amount, I don't wanna be up for libel or anything, but let's just say I'd make more by selling oysters in a carpark in 40 degrees celsius).

I guess it would be best to give them jobs that are appropriate for their condition, those which you say have the intelligence of an infant could still work, obviously with a lower ability, but they would have a greater need and should be provided with all that they need, even if their work output if significantly less than what is needed to keep them living comfortably and provide the proper care, sure it would be a bit of an expense, but there are very few disabled person compared with idle hands, it must be borne in mind that after a revolution a lot of untapped labour potential will be allowed to work (unemployed people, armed forces a la MBR 2000 in Venezuela, the clergy perhaps, middle management, bureaucrats, the list goes on).

Retirement for disabled persyns may be a lot earlier than for able-bodied workers, but what does this mean? Simply it means that there will be a need for a bit more resources to be directed into disability care, but the once idle now working hands will easily cover the costs.

During their retirement (which IMO will be still a productive time in all peoples lifes in socialism, just scaled back) disabled persyns will be of tremendous benefit in many ways, I may offend some people here, but, disabled persyns with the intelligence of an infant would be a good influence on children and would help the children develop a sense of the equality of all humyns.

Please criticise if you feel you need to, these are just opinions I came up with on the spot

[Ian]

WARNING: If anyone suggests eugenics or extermination of disabled persyns I will add you to my 'To Kill' death list. You've been warned...

[UnionofSovietSocialistRepublics]

I agree with Ian R, appropriate jobs could be found for pople who are handicapped, and if they are severly disabled and are deemed to be unfortunate enough as not to work then they should be able to live off the state, as Ian said, there will be plenty of new potential workers as people previously unemployed under capitalism will work.

[Invader Zim]

Disabled people should be paid as much as any other person, and should be given jobs (if possible) which they can do, if a person is confined to a wheel chair, but can use a computer proficiently then UI see no reason why they should not be able to get a job in that field.

My aunt had MS (multipul schlorosis(s/p)) and she was a collage proffessor, to the point when she died, by then she had no use of her legs, but she still was a great teacher.

[ElRuso1967]

This small sentence sums up my entire view on this topic:

From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his needs.

From each, according to his ability: A disabled worker can do as much work as he or she thinks they are capable of, and will not be forced by the state to do more work than the person thinks they are capable of, and the state will not turn away a disabled worker because the state thinks that the person is not capable of doing the job. the job will be adapted around the person.

To each, according to his needs: The person will be given full support by the state, based on the extent of their disability. The state will provide financial, moral, and material support to the person, so that the negative effects of the disability on the persons life are minimalized. Places where the person wants to work will be adapted so that the person can work there, eg ramps, lifts etc for wheelchair users.

I strongly believe that disabled persons have an extremely important role to play in the development of a socialist state.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

I agree with the posts above, but I especially like the way Comrade ElRuso1967 phrased it.

The mentally disabled are capable of certain physical tasks, and also even intellectual work. Think about autism--poor people skills, but great capacity for mathematics and science.

The physically disabled are also capable of intellectual work--just look at Stephen Hawking.

[UnionofSovietSocialistRepublics]

ElRuso1967, very well put. i think thats a great description. :)

[commieboy]

i like all of your suggestions...they were what i was leaning towards..because i saw a documentary with a 18 yearold student who had down syndrom and he was taught how to do laundry and how to keep a place clean (Janitoral skills) i think that should be how it is in a country....

i wrote a paper for my civics class about what i'd do with my own country...and i said that anyone with disabilites would be taught to compensate for that and aid society....(Got an A) and the teacher liked my ideals* :D

but now i'm thinking of people who've maybe suffered an acciedent and like paralized completley and cant even chew their own food? do they just get a nice little house and food from the government?

Hey, that'd be fine for me, because who would want to put a handicapped person on the streets?

[Hate Is Art]

elRuso1967 has it pretty much, expet maybe special care for them, if they need a worker or help then fine give them it.

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2003, 07:11 PM

but now i'm thinking of people who've maybe suffered an acciedent and like paralized completley and cant even chew their own food? do they just get a nice little house and food from the government?

Theres many people in a similar position, needing similar full-time care. That is old people, the difference between capitalist and communist society is that in capitalist society you often rely on your own finances for your care.

[Dhul Fiqar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2003, 09:29 PM
This small sentence sums up my entire view on this topic:

From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his needs.

From each, according to his ability: A disabled worker can do as much work as he or she thinks they are capable of, and will not be forced by the state to do more work than the person thinks they are capable of, and the state will not turn away a disabled worker because the state thinks that the person is not capable of doing the job. the job will be adapted around the person.

To each, according to his needs: The person will be given full support by the state, based on the extent of their disability. The state will provide financial, moral, and material support to the person, so that the negative effects of the disability on the persons life are minimalized. Places where the person wants to work will be adapted so that the person can work there, eg ramps, lifts etc for wheelchair users.

I strongly believe that disabled persons have an extremely important role to play in the development of a socialist state.
Good post :)

[RyeN]

By disabled I hope you are reffering to the differently abled right? These post have a good view towards things though. Dont forget that those who are unable to perform a job may require someone to take care of them. Staffing for the hospital or institute. This will also creat more jobs, giving those workers fufilment and satisfaction from helping others.

[Anastacia]

I agree with comrade ElRuso1967.


but now i'm thinking of people who've maybe suffered an acciedent and like paralized completley and cant even chew their own food? do they just get a nice little house and food from the government?

I thought also that. And I think that if a person can't do anything he would get his own assistant. A work for someone. Everyone has a right to enjoy their life even if they couldn't do anything for society.

[Red Flag]

eugenics or extermination

[Red Flag]

Humans are the only species of animal that takes more care of the malfuctions of genetics than the regular animal..

Natural Selection is natures way of making sure only the best and brightest of each species survive to produce more of the best and brightest, and to continue the quality of the species..

People that think what I'm saying Is 'mean' have to much of a divine view of our species. IMO

[crazy comie]

i think el ruso hit it right on the nail.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 8 2003, 10:02 AM
Humans are the only species of animal that takes more care of the malfuctions of genetics than the regular animal..

Natural Selection is natures way of making sure only the best and brightest of each species survive to produce more of the best and brightest, and to continue the quality of the species..

People that think what I'm saying Is 'mean' have to much of a divine view of our species. IMO
An advocate of eugenics?

Tell me... how do you determine who is exterminated?

[Iepilei]

I also agree with ElRuso. It's a disgusting shame how we treat disabled individuals in this country. The right is openly against euthanasia yet it seems they've no objection to abandonment. The larger part of homeless people in the United States suffer from some form of disorder. Gah. Their morals are as malleable as the gold they believe them cast of.

If an individual is capable of a job, or duty, they should by all means be entitled to it. The ability of a person has nothing to do with their physical capacity, yet much-needed support and direction - much like the rest of us.

But when this debate arises, there is always the question of the extreme cases of disability. What of the unconcious, unaware, individuals? Would these people fall under the 'euthanasia' catergory? Or is there some form of moral objection to this as well? I'm not sure where I stand here, exactly. I've often thought it unfair for a person who must suffer in extreme cases as such be forced to live by will of the many.

Any comments?

[Rastafari]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 8 2003, 11:02 AM
Humans are the only species of animal that takes more care of the malfuctions of genetics than the regular animal..

Natural Selection is natures way of making sure only the best and brightest of each species survive to produce more of the best and brightest, and to continue the quality of the species..

People that think what I'm saying Is 'mean' have to much of a divine view of our species. IMO
You are not a socialist- you don't care about anyone!

I suggest you move your filth elseware before I do for you.

[Zafiro]

This is a very important subject and it hits home for me,...

I have a little boy with autism.

They should be given a chance. I agree with ElRuso. Thanks.

[Zafiro]

Here is my 'little rebel'.

[commieboy]

You're son looks like my younger cousin...He'll be a wonderful rebel when he grows up....

But i have a friend who is autistic and i think he'd be better suited for alot of jobs than able-minded persons....if you give him anyday of the year..like april 18th....he can tell you the day of week it will fall on in a second...and he can do astronomical math with ease....Plus.. he knows everything thing there is about Micheal Jackson...who happens to be his hero. ;)

[Dhul Fiqar]

This is off topic but... You have a beautiful son, Zafiro! Perhaps we should start a baby thread some time - I have not had a chance to post any pics of my baby sister on che-lives yet I think :)

--- G.

[Ian]

Yeah that would be really cool, you should start a thread Dhul.

[Zafiro]

Thanks Dhul!

His name is Karel and he says : 'Hola!'

I am teaching him all about Che. :wub:

[ComradeRobertRiley]

awww he said "Hola"

Hola, como estas?


This is my cousins baby from England

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Lo siento, didnt mean for the pic to come out that big. :(

[Red Flag]

lol I dont care about anyone.. i said euthanasia as a joke to one dudes quote about it..

not to get into a pissing contest, but what percentage of your income have you donated to charitable organizations or less fortunate this past year?

And im a Naturalist above all.. i believe in letting nature takes its corse.. not specifically euthanasia, but not giving more to someone that in nature would never survive, giving them an artificial survival..

[Rastafari]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 8 2003, 08:07 PM
not to get into a pissing contest, but what percentage of your income have you donated to charitable organizations or less fortunate this past year?

my parents...at least 15%

[BuyOurEverything]

And im a Naturalist above all.. i believe in letting nature takes its corse.. not specifically euthanasia, but not giving more to someone that in nature would never survive, giving them an artificial survival..

But a city IS nature now. Not letting someone survive because they wouldn't survive in the wilderness is ridiculous because we don't live in the wilderness anymore so it actually goes against the whole idea of evolution and survival of the fittest. Nothing's wrong with artificial survival if you live in an artificial environment.

[crazy comie]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 8 2003, 02:58 PM
eugenics or extermination
bollocks

[Rastafari]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2003, 10:38 PM

And im a Naturalist above all.. i believe in letting nature takes its corse.. not specifically euthanasia, but not giving more to someone that in nature would never survive, giving them an artificial survival..

But a city IS nature now. Not letting someone survive because they wouldn't survive in the wilderness is ridiculous because we don't live in the wilderness anymore so it actually goes against the whole idea of evolution and survival of the fittest. Nothing's wrong with artificial survival if you live in an artificial environment.
doesn't go against that so much as it goes agaisnt our claim of being civilized peoples.

As for Eugenics, I think the joke is close to cage-worthy. You better watch what you say, you will make a lot of people mad. Call us PC arseholes if you want, but thats the way it is.

[crazy comie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2003, 01:11 PM



doesn't go against that so much as it goes agaisnt our claim of being civilized peoples.

That is most cerrtainly true

[RED CHARO]

DISGUSTING SHIT - RED FLAG-----
I'm part of what would be called the 'disabeled'
I could do a job better than most of you , but because of my 'disability' , I'm discriminated by most bosses, who I say are disabeled such as RED FLAG, because of your Ignorance..............
the prulateriant won't stand for this shit If I have my way......
DISGUSTING........

[Red Flag]

Is this a leftist board or an authoritarian board?

Am I entitled to my own opinion and free voice of it?

I love people that are so into labels that they insist people of the left can't have opposing views in the matter of things like gun control, gay rights, persons with disabilities etc.

I came here to build and debate with open minded people of the same political persuasion, but I'm that much of a ***** that I would cry if my board posting privelages were revoked, I think some people need to take a step away from the computer for a few minutes (or days).

[RED CHARO]

I personaly don't think Ignorance and pig headedness should be toleraited.........
You don't even know what I'm talking about any way---

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 9 2003, 04:54 PM
Is this a leftist board or an authoritarian board?

Am I entitled to my own opinion and free voice of it?

I love people that are so into labels that they insist people of the left can't have opposing views in the matter of things like gun control, gay rights, persons with disabilities etc.

I came here to build and debate with open minded people of the same political persuasion, but I'm that much of a ***** that I would cry if my board posting privelages were revoked, I think some people need to take a step away from the computer for a few minutes (or days).
*NO NAZI TRASH*

[Red Flag]

Originally posted by Ian [email protected] 7 2003, 10:58 AM
WARNING: If anyone suggests eugenics or extermination of disabled persyns I will add you to my 'To Kill' death list. You've been warned...



NOW LOOK AT HOW IRONIC AND FUNNY THAT IS, AND YOUR TRIPPING ON ME

He says, he if you talk about killing disabled people, I'll Kill you! WTF, No One sees the Irony in that??

But as to my beliefs.. no matter how dogmatic you feel about your PC-ness and Left Beliefs NATURE is above all.. at all times... Current Society is not a different naure, becuase nature is nature is nature.. its a controlled environment, that operates in MANY MANY way against nature.

I believe in nature, above all. If a person cant naturally survive like everyone else, then they shouldnt be given any special treatment, if they cant survive without special treatment then they don't survive. Thats natural selection. We're the only animal that gives more support to the worst of our species than to the best and brightest.

Its unatural it makes no sense. Nature is designed so only the best and brightest will reproduce, to keep the species at status quo or even improve..

The problem with our 'advanced' society is that we support ALL life, even the worst and slowest.. and thats why we have been slowly degenerating as a species, and will continue to, untill we decide to move forward..

Does this mean I believe all people with mental handicaps or very low IQ's should be killed? Nope.. this means any time a person can't survive like the rest of us and has nothing to contribute to society should not be supported by society.. let nature take its corse.. + to each according to their NEED

Now thats my opinion.. if it's not "left enough" and you want to be a facist against free speech then by all means ban me from the board :rolleyes:

[Invader Zim]

you want to be a facist against free speech then by all means ban me from the board

Your the one advocating a Nazi principal, and you talk to us about being fascist?

Somebody slap this kid.

:angry:

http://www.cordonline.org/cordgrp.jpg

[Red Flag]

To Each According to their DEEDS.

LOL @ me being a Nazi, I'm EVERYTHING BUT an Aryan, I have 'Black' Children and I'm A 'Native American' Socialist.. I just have my own opinons and don't subscribe to some hidden law I'm picking up on here..

The Real Nazism and Facism is coming from those of you that think that All Socialists must be a Certain Way, as if there is no individualised form of anything..

Rather disturbing to see so many people who claim to be 'left' are so anti free thought and speech :(

[Red Flag]

oh and BTW you should probably ban the 3 people I seen use the Word 'NIGGER' on this board, but I guess their right to free speech is protected?

[Saint-Just]

Red Flag, one of the great socialist leaders of the 20th Century said that the aim of socialism is to increase the power of man over nature.

Technology and science has afforded us to beat nature in many way, it has afforded us to stay warm when nature makes it cold, to move further and faster than we naturally can and so on. We have the ability to look after those that need it, when people become sick and would naturally die off we can protect them and prolong their life, bring people back from almost certain death. We do what is most advantageous to the human race, regardless of what nature would like to dictate.

One of these things that we like to do is afford life to those who find it difficult to live. At the moment science-technology enables humans to correct the illness and thus create a more wholesome life for individuals such as the child who's picture was posted in this thread. Ultimately we will be able to turn such children into fully capable human beings so they can enjoy life fully, at the moment the best and most humane we can do is to look after them. We do this for the family of those children. If my child had a terrible illness such as this I can assure you I would not look kindly on you saying you want to have them killed.

I agree it is ignorant to call you a fascist and a Nazi, you said you came here for serious debate, well from some people you will get it, and some people you won't. This board is representative of the same level of thought that is so evidently diverse in society.

Indeed, our societies should look for efficiency and productivity to make sure human resource and effort is not wasted and that we can further our development as much as possible. However, there is a point that you can take this concept far out of proportion, that is killing people. Humans do exert extra effort prolonging life and making people safe.

[Red Flag]

So you must all be Pro Lifers too then right?

Like I've stated many times I'm a naturalist ABOVE ALL, I do not use Sythethic Medicines, If I get sick and can't over come it with natural remedies, then I'll parish as nature intended.

[Deniz Gezmis]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 9 2003, 03:54 PM
Is this a leftist board or an authoritarian board?
Leftist, But you must understand that this forum is not a Communist soceity nor a democracy. You disgust me. <_<

[Rastafari]

very interesting view point, but still disheartening to hear that a brother in the revolution would let disabled die. Tell me this much: Do you know anyone closely who is disabled?

[BuyOurEverything]

So you must all be Pro Lifers too then right?

Like I&#39;ve stated many times I&#39;m a naturalist ABOVE ALL, I do not use Sythethic Medicines, If I get sick and can&#39;t over come it with natural remedies, then I&#39;ll parish as nature intended.

I don&#39;t see what "pro-life" has to do with this. Why don&#39;t you use modern medicine? That&#39;s just ridiculous. Survival of the fittest doesn&#39;t just mean physical, it means mental too. Not using technology goes against your own ideology.


I believe in nature, above all. If a person cant naturally survive like everyone else, then they shouldnt be given any special treatment, if they cant survive without special treatment then they don&#39;t survive. Thats natural selection. We&#39;re the only animal that gives more support to the worst of our species than to the best and brightest.

What is nature? How many people actually live in the wilderness? Not that many. People today don&#39;t need to be able to survive in &#39;nature&#39; as in the forest. They need to survive in the nature that is our current society. Just because a person is physically disabled and maybe needs help to live, does that mean they can&#39;t contribute to society? Of course not. Society would just be shooting itself in the foot.


The problem with our &#39;advanced&#39; society is that we support ALL life, even the worst and slowest.. and thats why we have been slowly degenerating as a species, and will continue to, untill we decide to move forward.

We&#39;ve been degenerating as a species, have we? I guess you&#39;re right, i mean how can our modern cities and technology compare with the thriving metropolises of the apes?

[Red Flag]

First let me say LOL @ me offending "Death" with a life issue&#33;&#33; :lol: very amusing..

About being advanced: You call oppressive imperialist governments being created and people dying over land marked by invisible lines advancement? Causing pollution is advancement? Destroying our world is advancment? Let me guess, having more money is what you consider self improvment?

I don&#39;t use SYNTHETIC medicine.. is that rediculous? Im a vegan too, is that rediculous? I don&#39;t drink soda, is THAT rediculous? I think wasting time and energy on unproductive human vegetables is rediculous, how about that?

Nature is Nature, If you don&#39;t know what it is, it&#39;s obvious you&#39;d be oblivious to my opinion.

"Society would just be shooting itself in the foot."

So thats what EVERY OTHER ANIMAL IN THE WORLD has been doing SINCE THE BEGAINING of TIME?? :( Socialism does not equal Industrialism, at least not the brand i subscribe too, like i said im not big on labels.. I have my ideas and beliefs, and they are best classified as socialist, from my research, but please dont pigeon hole me into one idealogy, and say things like "Not using technology goes against your own ideology" you don&#39;t know my ideology.. if you want to know my opinion on somthing, ask.

[Rastafari]

very interesting view point, but still disheartening to hear that a brother in the revolution would let disabled die. Tell me this much: Do you know anyone closely who is disabled?

you&#39;d change quite quickly if you ever did.


Those are all interesting views with varying degrees of merit, except "letting the vegetables die"
I implore you to stop this, and try to exclude what we&#39;d call trolling.

[Ian]

Ian&#39;s &#39;To Kill&#39; list

Red Flag
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OK so the board&#39;s Eugenicist rears it&#39;s ugly head, such views would be more welcome in Nazi Germany than this day and age, I don&#39;t care whether you are Native American, you can still hold reactionary ideas, downright fascistic ideas.

[BuyOurEverything]

First let me say LOL @ me offending "Death" with a life issue&#33;&#33; very amusing..

I still don&#39;t have to see what any of this has to do with "pro-life."


About being advanced: You call oppressive imperialist governments being created and people dying over land marked by invisible lines advancement? Causing pollution is advancement? Destroying our world is advancment? Let me guess, having more money is what you consider self improvment?

You think modern imperialism and opressive regimes are caused by the degredation of the human race which is caused by society helping disabled people live? Wow. The world may have been less polluted 100 or 200 years ago but people were harldy less oppressed. Opressive regimes and arbitrary borders have existed for thousands of years.

[Red Flag]

The irony is so thick you could spread it on a piece of bread..

#1 Your Putting me on a TOO KILL list because of my opinion on a LIFE issue...

#2 YOU critize ME for EXPRESSING MY OPINION by calling ME a FACIST&#33;&#33;&#33;

:lol: I&#39;m officially "the boards Eugenicist"&#33;&#33;&#33; LOL..

Eugenics: n : the study of methods of improving genetic qualities by selective breeding (especially as applied to human mating)

eu·gen·i·cist:n. An advocate of or a specialist in eugenics.

Dont humans naturally search out the best possible canidate for mating? isnt that what the whole dating and searching thing is about?.. alot of people use the word Eugenics thinking its killing jews ala Nazi Germany.. thats as bad as calling the USSR a communism ;)

[Red Flag]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2003, 11:48 PM
The world may have been less polluted 100 or 200 years ago but people were harldy less oppressed. Opressive regimes and arbitrary borders have existed for thousands of years.
Here in my country Opressive regimes and arbitrary borders have exsisted for about 300 years, that&#39;s hardly thousands.. the same with polution, my people had no factories or automobiles.. because we we&#39;re UNCIVILIZIED right?

[crazy comie]

If we left pepole alone and did not treat pepole with medicens (synthetic) then th avredage age of death would be betwean30 and 60.

[Saint-Just]

You said people think that the the Jews victimisation in the holocaust was eugenics... that about sums up your insight into the world. The Nazis did practice eugenics, and although they did not kill Jews specifically for eugenics, it was acutally related since they saw Jews as racial pollutants and undesirable in respect to their genes, thus breeding them out of the human race was necessary. Firstly you denied that eugenics was not related to the eugenics aspecy of the holocaust and then cited that most people wrongly believe it is.

I would suggest eugenics was a science that did affect the holocuast in its Jewish aspect to some extent and that furthermore most people would actually be unaware of this.

I don&#39;t use SYNTHETIC medicine.. is that rediculous? Im a vegan too, is that rediculous? I don&#39;t drink soda, is THAT rediculous? I think wasting time and energy on unproductive human vegetables is rediculous, how about that?

Nature is Nature, If you don&#39;t know what it is, it&#39;s obvious you&#39;d be oblivious to my opinion.

I think it is ridiculous, these things are all for the common good. Industrialisation has made us into a lifeform that lives in relatively great comfort. I think your ideas are ridiculous.

I can accept you having these views on this forum, I wouldn&#39;t call you a fascist at all, just extremely misguided and belonging to a highly outmoded school of thought.

[Red Flag]

"these things are all for the common good"

Meat and Soda are for the common good?


"they did not kill Jews specifically for eugenics"

you answered yourself there. people call north korea communist, but is it? or is it just &#39;related&#39;?


"If we left pepole alone and did not treat pepole with medicens (synthetic) then th avredage age of death would be betwean30 and 60. "

Guess what, my people wouldn&#39;t need synthetic medicines, because we didnt have diseases such as small pox, or even the common cold for that matter, europeans brought those gifts to us. And I&#39;d much rather live a free and natural 60 years, then an artificial and oppressed 75 ;)

[Sabocat]

It seems that a lot of people are confusing eugenics with existentialism.

I would say that Red Flag is definitely more along the lines of naturist/existential.

I absolutely get where you&#39;re coming from, and in some instances agree. I&#39;m not so sure that humans need to live more than 30-60 years either. We as humans have definitely messed up the natural order of things. We&#39;ve lengthened life spans, but have put a drain on resources, polluted the hell out of the planet, propagated numerous strains of disease. We have in some degree subverted "mother nature".

I guess where I would part with Red Flag is medicines and treatment of the disabled. While living, the disabled have every right to quality of life as the rest of us and should be cared for by society. I think that in and of itself is the duty of a society.

In the words of Chris Rock....."I&#39;m not saying I agree with Red Flag......but I understand&#33;"

[Red Flag]

hahah word.. at least someone in here can UNDERSTAND where I&#39;m coming from, that&#39;s all i was looking for.

existentialist: a philosopher who emphasizes freedom of choice and personal responsibility but who regards human existence in a hostile universe as unexplainable..

I&#39;d say would work if you MUST label me.. althought I&#39;m not sure I fully understand what&#39;s meant by "who regards human existence in a hostile universe as unexplainable"

You Said Naturist and that&#39;s a nudist&#33; :lol: I&#39;m not that, but if you meant a Naturalist, then I&#39;d say that Label most appropriately defines me.

nat·u·ral·ist : One who believes in and follows the tenets of naturalism.

[Sabocat]

You Said Naturist and that&#39;s a nudist&#33; I&#39;m not that, but if you meant a Naturalist, then I&#39;d say that Label most appropriately defines me.

Ooops...yup, that&#39;s what I meant. Sorry. :lol:

[RED CHARO]

I say we get a Lion to eat Red flag---------

[Ian]

There&#39;s always that chance :lol:

He sounds like a fool... maybe one day he will find himself being eaten by a lion because of his own stupidity.

[ElRuso1967]

Take your nazi shit somewhere else red flag, you fascist asshole. Why visit a leftist website if your an extreme right winger? are you really that stupid you nazi prick?

[crazy comie]

Originally posted by RED [email protected] 11 2003, 08:55 AM
I say we get a Lion to eat Red flag---------
god idea

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 10 2003, 05:42 PM
"these things are all for the common good"

Meat and Soda are for the common good?


"they did not kill Jews specifically for eugenics"

you answered yourself there. people call north korea communist, but is it? or is it just &#39;related&#39;?

Yes, North Korea is communist.

Also, meat is healthy and people enjoy, people also enjoy soda. It is certainly your own choice whether you eat meat or drink soda. But not using synthetic medicine is rather bad for people, it shouldn&#39;t be down to choice. Why do you not drink soda or eat meat, I would only accept that if someone had a good reason such as they do not like soda or meat, but not anything along the lines of &#39;it&#39;s unnatural&#39;.

[crazy comie]

North korea isn&#39;t communist

[Red Flag]

the funny thing is on the political compas im -7 / -6 .. :lol:

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 12 2003, 03:00 PM
the funny thing is on the political compas im -7 / -6 .. :lol:
And I am -10 on economic and +4/5 on authoritarian and I disagree with all your eugenics etc.

[crazy comie]

isn&#39;t this geting off topic

[Saint-Just]

I think it did go somewhat off-topic, but now with my brief comment on eugenics I think there is certainlty room for Red Flag to reply.

[crazy comie]

good lets get back on track

[RedAnarchist]

We all have our own disability. I&#39;m short-sighted myself. Someone could be dyslexic, or dyscalculaic etc etc.

People who society regards as disabled as just as equal, and should be treated as equals. These people do not need the fascists idiots degrading them everyday, they need to be seen as normal, everyday humans with the same emotions as we have.

At high school, i was friends with about 4 people who had learning difficulties. Even though they had this disability, they were happy, fun-loving young people who didnt let their disability stop them.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Chairman Mao+Oct 12 2003, 04:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chairman Mao @ Oct 12 2003, 04:27 PM)
Red [email protected] 12 2003, 03:00 PM
the funny thing is on the political compas im -7 / -6 .. :lol:
And I am -10 on economic and +4/5 on authoritarian and I disagree with all your eugenics etc. [/b]
its happening...

from being around -5 -5 then to -6 -6 now its got to the point of: -

Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.56

Every time I take that test I seem to shift slightly to the left. I started off with what Gandhi was on and now look at me...

Its your harmful influence you know... I even have begun to support revolution in some limited cases...

From Democratic socialism to this...

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 07:43 PM
its happening...

from being around -5 -5 then to -6 -6 now its got to the point of: -

Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.56

Every time I take that test I seem to shift slightly to the left. I started off with what Gandhi was on and now look at me...

Its your harmful influence you know... I even have begun to support revolution in some limited cases...

From Democratic socialism to this...
:lol: o dear enigma... I would never have imagined you would get -9 on economic. I don&#39;t think I have influenced you though, I&#39;m not sure we can know how it happened. What are you know... a communist?

[crazy comie]

where do you get this test thing for how left wing you are

[Red Flag]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

[commieboy]

I got a -8.50 on the eco. and a -3.18 on the libertarian

Is this good?

[crazy comie]

Economic Left/Right: -8.62
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.03