2 Calgary Nazis Charged With Murder

[Stand Your Ground]

Two skinheads who are believed to lead a white supremacist group in Calgary have been charged with second-degree murder in what investigators described as a random attack.
Robert David Reitmeier and Tyler William Sturrup, alleged leaders of the WEB, or Western European Bloodline, white pride group were arrested Tuesday in connection with the killing of Calgarian Mark Mariani in October 2010.


Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Skinheads+charged+with+murder+random+attack/4874133/story.html#ixzz1OYVNZLbx (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Skinheads+charged+with+murder+random+attack/4874133/story.html#ixzz1OYVNZLbx)

[tachosomoza]

We need a leftist gang in prison to give these types a warm welcome. :cool:

[Johnny Kerosene]

We need a leftist gang in prison to give these types a warm welcome. :cool:

I've actually been thinking, that if I ever go to prison, I'll get a couple of people to join up with me, and start a sort of protection group, where all members are defended by all the other members, and all that's asked of them is to return the favor whenever an ally is under attack. It wouldn't be overtly leftist but leftist ideology would be promoted, however, anyone who's not racist/sexist/homophobic can join. I'd imagine it would be relatively easy to recruit new inmates, because the group wouldn't force to participate in any criminal activity outside prison. It'd probably be especially easy with white guys because for most of them it's either be someone's sex slave or join a white supremacist group. If such a group were successful, it could potentially wipe out, the other prison gangs, or at least make them an extreme minority terrified to do anything for fear of have the group attack them. Also, if successful in converting people to leftist point of view, it could play a valuable role in a revolution. An army of people who've spent some time living in some of the most violent dehumanizing places in the world.
I was thinking of something like the International Protection Agency or something silly like that for a name, and I would be honored if anyone who reads this goes to prison and tries to start something up.

[∞]

Fascists deserve the death penalty.

[tachosomoza]

I've actually been thinking, that if I ever go to prison, I'll get a couple of people to join up with me, and start a sort of protection group, where all members are defended by all the other members, and all that's asked of them is to return the favor whenever an ally is under attack. It wouldn't be overtly leftist but leftist ideology would be promoted, however, anyone who's not racist/sexist/homophobic can join. I'd imagine it would be relatively easy to recruit new inmates, because the group wouldn't force to participate in any criminal activity outside prison. It'd probably be especially easy with white guys because for most of them it's either be someone's sex slave or join a white supremacist group. If such a group were successful, it could potentially wipe out, the other prison gangs, or at least make them an extreme minority terrified to do anything for fear of have the group attack them. Also, if successful in converting people to leftist point of view, it could play a valuable role in a revolution. An army of people who've spent some time living in some of the most violent dehumanizing places in the world.
I was thinking of something like the International Protection Agency or something silly like that for a name, and I would be honored if anyone who reads this goes to prison and tries to start something up.

It would be easy to get minority inmates to join as well because we would be active in opposing the prison administration, which is often racist and homophobic. Also, we'd counter the bourgeois oriented Crips, Bloods, La Eme, Aryan Brotherhood, etc. who are profit oriented.

[tachosomoza]

Think about it. If we could get our incarcerated comrades to stop fighting over what part of the state they're from or what "race" they are, we've got a pretty sizeable united revolutionary front that's comprised of the cast offs of society. Imagine what type of direct actions we'd have then. We'll dispel the myth that all Leftists are rich, spoiled, intellectual college kids who are hopelessely naive, disconnected from reality and afraid of getting their hands dirty. I'll avoid saying anything else, but you all get my drift.

[bcbm]

I've actually been thinking, that if I ever go to prison, I'll get a couple of people to join up with me, and start a sort of protection group, where all members are defended by all the other members, and all that's asked of them is to return the favor whenever an ally is under attack. It wouldn't be overtly leftist but leftist ideology would be promoted, however, anyone who's not racist/sexist/homophobic can join. I'd imagine it would be relatively easy to recruit new inmates, because the group wouldn't force to participate in any criminal activity outside prison. It'd probably be especially easy with white guys because for most of them it's either be someone's sex slave or join a white supremacist group. If such a group were successful, it could potentially wipe out, the other prison gangs, or at least make them an extreme minority terrified to do anything for fear of have the group attack them. Also, if successful in converting people to leftist point of view, it could play a valuable role in a revolution. An army of people who've spent some time living in some of the most violent dehumanizing places in the world.
I was thinking of something like the International Protection Agency or something silly like that for a name, and I would be honored if anyone who reads this goes to prison and tries to start something up.

yeah a bunch of leftists in jail for probably some property crime are going to start a group to rival some of the most violent organizations in the country, meaning both the gangs and screws, and come out on top. sorry but this just sounds like a good way to get you and your buddies stabbed to death in the exercise yard.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Think about it. If we could get our incarcerated comrades to stop fighting over what part of the state they're from or what "race" they are, we've got a pretty sizeable united revolutionary front that's comprised of the cast offs of society. Imagine what type of direct actions we'd have then. We'll dispel the myth that all Leftists are rich, spoiled, intellectual college kids who are hopelessely naive, disconnected from reality and afraid of getting their hands dirty. I'll avoid saying anything else, but you all get my drift.

Yeah it's not as easy as it sounds trying to recruit gang members. It's hard to get them to realize there is even a whole world outside of their block.

[tachosomoza]

yeah a bunch of leftists in jail for probably some property crime are going to start a group to rival some of the most violent organizations in the country, meaning both the gangs and screws, and come out on top. sorry but this just sounds like a good way to get you and your buddies stabbed to death in the exercise yard.

You're stereotyping. Most of the people in White Supremacist gangs join not because they believe in that shit, but because they were forced to do so, in addition to the fact that they want to make money. Same with the Mexican and Black gangs. If you form a group with the stated goal of protecting those that don't wish to link up with those bourgeois institutions, then I can see a pretty substantial following. As for getting stabbed to death, in prison, they do to you only what you let them do. We'd defend ourselves.

[tachosomoza]

Yeah it's not as easy as it sounds trying to recruit gang members. It's hard to get them to realize there is even a whole world outside of their block.

People have been fools for lesser things. The goal would be mutual defense, the philosophy would be opposition to oppression from the hacks and bourgeois racist gangs. Hell, the Brand (Aryan Brotherhood) formed to defend itself from the Blacks and Hispanics in the '70s, they only turned into a gang when they became profit oriented. I can see leftists forming an organization along the same lines, the only difference is that we wouldn't exploit members.

[bots]

I've actually been thinking, that if I ever go to prison, I'll get a couple of people to join up with me, and start a sort of protection group, where all members are defended by all the other members, and all that's asked of them is to return the favor whenever an ally is under attack. It wouldn't be overtly leftist but leftist ideology would be promoted, however, anyone who's not racist/sexist/homophobic can join. I'd imagine it would be relatively easy to recruit new inmates, because the group wouldn't force to participate in any criminal activity outside prison. It'd probably be especially easy with white guys because for most of them it's either be someone's sex slave or join a white supremacist group. If such a group were successful, it could potentially wipe out, the other prison gangs, or at least make them an extreme minority terrified to do anything for fear of have the group attack them. Also, if successful in converting people to leftist point of view, it could play a valuable role in a revolution. An army of people who've spent some time living in some of the most violent dehumanizing places in the world.
I was thinking of something like the International Protection Agency or something silly like that for a name, and I would be honored if anyone who reads this goes to prison and tries to start something up.

Hahaha holy shit

[Ele'ill]

Oz wasn't real.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

People have been fools for lesser things. The goal would be mutual defense, the philosophy would be opposition to oppression from the hacks and bourgeois racist gangs. Hell, the Brand (Aryan Brotherhood) formed to defend itself from the Blacks and Hispanics in the '70s, they only turned into a gang when they became profit oriented. I can see leftists forming an organization along the same lines, the only difference is that we wouldn't exploit members.

And the Black Guerrilla Family was formed originally as a black MARXIST prison gang, but look at it now making "profits" by selling drugs and killing people. Prisons are full of bourgeois minded street kids who got locked up because they were trying to sell weed or got caught committing some sort of violent act over territory. I remember one time I had my friend over and he saw my che poster. He said "why do have this commie on your wall, you know they're against making money right."

[tachosomoza]

And the Black Guerrilla Family was formed originally as a black MARXIST prison gang, but look at it now making "profits" by selling drugs and killing people. Prisons are full of bourgeois minded street kids who got locked up because they were trying to sell weed or got caught committing some sort of violent act over territory. I remember one time I had my friend over and he saw my che poster. He said "why do have this commie on your wall, you know they're against making money right."

The BGF isn't truly Leftist, because it's organized along racial lines. I'd oppose them as well.

[Ocean Seal]

Think about it. If we could get our incarcerated comrades to stop fighting over what part of the state they're from or what "race" they are, we've got a pretty sizeable united revolutionary front that's comprised of the cast offs of society. Imagine what type of direct actions we'd have then. We'll dispel the myth that all Leftists are rich, spoiled, intellectual college kids who are hopelessely naive, disconnected from reality and afraid of getting their hands dirty. I'll avoid saying anything else, but you all get my drift.
But the inmates are pitted against one another, often by race, to the benefit fo the prison guards and the prison industrial complex. It would be very difficult to get them out of that since both the guards and the ruling gang members would be against it. And of course you have to consider that gangs are bound together by extreme loyalty to hierarchy, and often if one member leaves s/he is often disciplined or killed. Moreover, each gang member considers to owe his life to his gang, because if s/he didn't have it, perhaps said member wouldn't have their life. This task would be extremely progressive, but the odds are lined up against us.

[bcbm]

You're stereotyping. Most of the people in White Supremacist gangs join not because they believe in that shit, but because they were forced to do so, in addition to the fact that they want to make money. Same with the Mexican and Black gangs. If you form a group with the stated goal of protecting those that don't wish to link up with those bourgeois institutions, then I can see a pretty substantial following.

what do you think is going to happen when you cut into the profits and recruits of violent, powerful gangs? and, for that mater, how do you think the screws are going to treat that shit?


As for getting stabbed to death, in prison, they do to you only what you let them do. We'd defend ourselves.

yeah you and your tiny crew v. huge gangs with lots of people who have no reason not to throw down and end your life. good luck bro

[A Revolutionary Tool]

The BGF isn't truly Leftist, because it's organized along racial lines. I'd oppose them as well.

Gangs aren't like political parties here, if you oppose all the other gangs you will get killed in or outside of prison by them I guarantee that.

[tachosomoza]

There have been anti-racist leftist gangs, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_Stand_United

It is possible...

[Salyut]

Apparently they marked the crime scene with a swastika- because thats totally the smart thing to do after killing someone. (http://anti-racistcanada.blogspot.com/2011/06/reitmeier-and-sturrup-updates.html)

[A Revolutionary Tool]

There have been anti-racist leftist gangs, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_Stand_United

It is possible...

yeah that looks like another anti-racist group, not really what we are talking about when talking about street or prison gangs.

[CommieTroll]

Fascists deserve the death penalty.

That really is the only way to deal with them, but to me it seems that the death penalty is too humane

[bcbm]

There have been anti-racist leftist gangs, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_Stand_United

It is possible...

nobody is denying that you could form a crew, but the idea that said crew could go toe to toe with real world or prison actual gangs like the crips or ms-13 or the aryan brotherhood is basically completely absurd

[tachosomoza]

nobody is denying that you could form a crew, but the idea that said crew could go toe to toe with real world or prison actual gangs like the crips or ms-13 or the aryan brotherhood is basically completely absurd

Not in the beginning. Remember that the Crips and Salvatrucha and AB started out as simple crews.

[Rusty Shackleford]

New rev tendency. Prison entryism.

seriously. good luck dealing with the Aryan Brotherhood.


This isnt the 70s when mentioning Huey makes you popular.

this is the 2010s where mentioning Huey makes no sense to anyone in prison.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Not in the beginning. Remember that the Crips and Salvatrucha and AB started out as simple crews.
okay you have fun with that, tell me how it goes. Tip: if you can't stand the sight of blood or can't stand shooting, stabbing, fighting, police repression, etc, then gang banging is not for you.

[bcbm]

Not in the beginning. Remember that the Crips and Salvatrucha and AB started out as simple crews.

but they aren't any more and if you fuck with them you will be crushed

[A Revolutionary Tool]

but they aren't any more and if you fuck with them you will be crushed

No you just don't understand, the people don't like their gangs anymore and everybody hates the other gangs. That leaves room to create a very large leftist street gang, because obviously the left in America is the best at recruiting. In no time we'll have enough members to battle all those other cappie gangs!

[06hurdwp]

Reform the Nazis.

Some of them, dare I say it, are not stupid. Some of them are very intelligent but have just followed the wrong path. Some of them would make great Communists.

[Anarchist Skinhead]

dream on..

[06hurdwp]

dream on..

I've already converted one Nazi to Communism. We used to argue for ages, I just told him to come and look through the threads on here.

[Red Future]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Kemp_on_Gangs

This might be a series worth looking at as background knowledge.

[Bronco]

I've already converted one Nazi to Communism. We used to argue for ages, I just told him to come and look through the threads on here.

Cant have been a very good one

[tachosomoza]

Cant have been a very good one

There's no such thing as a "good" bonehead. Well, unless he's in the hospital or morgue.

[Bronco]

There's no such thing as a "good" bonehead. Well, unless he's in the hospital or morgue.

Well he cant have been very good at being one then

[A Revolutionary Tool]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Kemp_on_Gangs

This might be a series worth looking at as background knowledge.

You should know those gang shows are usually pretty dramatic compared to how it is on a day to day basis. Although MS-13 is pretty fucking hard.

[∞]

Reform the Nazis.

Some of them, dare I say it, are not stupid. Some of them are very intelligent but have just followed the wrong path. Some of them would make great Communists.

If you mean dogmatic psychopaths, then yes, they'd make excellent communists.