An interesting thing I heard today

[727Goon]

So to rehash this shit a third, fourth, or fifth time (I've lost count) I was talking to my cousin who's an imperialist baby killing scumbag fuck nigga horrible person child eating rapist sexist uncle tom Marine who just got back from Afghanistan. I asked him how much local support the Taliban had, and he pretty much said that most people there dont give a fuck about the US or the Taliban, all they want to do is farm and shit. I know this is anecdotal, but the actual reports I've seen show that the majority of the Afghans don't support the Taliban. So if most Afghans are opposed to the Taliban, and since reestablishing them won't do anything for socialism, why should we even give them critical support in the name of anti-imperialism. Oh, also for all of you awesome anti imperialists out there who think the Taliban are worth critically supporting, what about their genocide on the Hazara people? Not only are they fundamentalists but they are also Pashtun (the majority ethnic group) nationalists who have committed atrocities against other groups, so you're basically supporting the Afghan KKK in the name of anti-imperialism.

[#FF0000]

I think, generally, people don't care so much for the Taliban as much as they care for the US losing.

[CommieTroll]

It really all boils down to supporting the lesser of two evils, for a majority of people living in the western world they couldn't give a fuck about the Taliban or Afghanistan in general, most people I know are sick of seeing it on the news. And who funded these ''terrorists, murderers and rapists''? The biggest terrorists of all, the USA

[727Goon]

It really all boils down to supporting the lesser of two evils

So I'm guessing you vote Democratic?

[727Goon]

I think, generally, people don't care so much for the Taliban as much as they care for the US losing.

I mean I think we all want the US to lose, but that doesn't mean we need to support genocidal religious fanatics.

[#FF0000]

I mean I think we all want the US to lose, but that doesn't mean we need to support genocidal religious fanatics.

Yup. Think just about everyone agrees on this.

[RGacky3]

I was talking to my cousin who's an imperialist baby killing scumbag fuck nigga horrible person child eating rapist sexist uncle tom Marine who just got back from Afghanistan.

You guys must get along.

[727Goon]

You guys must get along.


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[727Goon]

Yup. Think just about everyone agrees on this.

not the lesser of two evil-ists

[RGacky3]

wait that was sarcasm? So you don't have a problem with soldiers? If its sarcasm it sould be clear that its NOT what you believe.

[727Goon]

I mean I don't have a problem with soldiers to the extent a lot of people here do. Yeah they violently enforce imperialism and capitalism or whatever but you won't see me fetishizing their deaths or talking about creative ways in which I would kill them like a lot of people here do. I mean keep in mind it's pretty much the only way to get out of the shit life that is working minimum wage jobs that dont give you hardly enough money to support yourself let alone a family with no opportunities for advancement or benefits. Like in my situation, all it takes in my girlfriends mom to cut me off and I'm basically ass out and in that situation I probably would join the military, especially since my hours just got cut.

[Franz Fanonipants]

bro you're still going on about all the imaginary people who are pro-taliban?

[Kamos]

I mean keep in mind it's pretty much the only way to get out of the shit life that is working minimum wage jobs that dont give you hardly enough money to support yourself let alone a family with no opportunities for advancement or benefits. Like in my situation, all it takes in my girlfriends mom to cut me off and I'm basically ass out and in that situation I probably would join the military, especially since my hours just got cut.

It's precisely the fact that you're set up to either join the military or die that is so repulsive about the whole thing. If the leftist struggle means anything to you, you do not sell out, you try to find the third option.

[Ocean Seal]

We don't support the Taliban. The Taliban are a bunch of ex-USA thugs whose only goal is to keep Afghanistan backwards a poor. The United States decided that they weren't poor enough to most effectively oppress them so they want to back an even more repressive regime. The United States will only go to war when a regime doesn't do what it wants. So, no, we don't support the Taliban and we never will. But to support the United States in Afghanistan would be to subject the Afghan people to further economic oppression and turn Afghanistan into an American client state. The United States needs to get out and stop bombing innocents for their aspirations to turn Afghanistan into a neo-colony. When the US leaves Afghanistan, the people of Afghanistan, most of whom as you say don't support the Taliban will get rid of the Taliban?

Do we forget that Afghanistan has people too and that these people have material interests as well? Or do we think that the Afghans are better off with US aid? That the United States is coming to liberate them and that when they're through Afghanistan will be as rich as the United States?

The Taliban will be a thing of the past when people realize that they are not necessary, and when the United States get out, they will no longer need anyone to protect them from American terrorism.

[727Goon]

We don't support the Taliban. The Taliban are a bunch of ex-USA thugs whose only goal is to keep Afghanistan backwards a poor. The United States decided that they weren't poor enough to most effectively oppress them so they want to back an even more repressive regime. The United States will only go to war when a regime doesn't do what it wants. So, no, we don't support the Taliban and we never will. But to support the United States in Afghanistan would be to subject the Afghan people to further economic oppression and turn Afghanistan into an American client state. The United States needs to get out and stop bombing innocents for their aspirations to turn Afghanistan into a neo-colony. When the US leaves Afghanistan, the people of Afghanistan, most of whom as you say don't support the Taliban will get rid of the Taliban?

Do we forget that Afghanistan has people too and that these people have material interests as well? Or do we think that the Afghans are better off with US aid? That the United States is coming to liberate them and that when they're through Afghanistan will be as rich as the United States?

The Taliban will be a thing of the past when people realize that they are not necessary, and when the United States get out, they will no longer need anyone to protect them from American terrorism.

I think that the Taliban won't take over after the US leave just from a realistic standpoint because like it or not most Afghans support the Karzai government or are apolitical. I think this is essentially a failing of the anti-imperialist and socialist movement there, when the anti-imperialists are killing more of their own people then the imperialists obviously somethings wrong. But as you said, the Taliban are essentially the products of US imperialism in the first place so it's to be expected.

[727Goon]

It's precisely the fact that you're set up to either join the military or die that is so repulsive about the whole thing. If the leftist struggle means anything to you, you do not sell out, you try to find the third option.

Yeah dude, first of all using myself as an example is kind of dumb since I'm not a principled or involved leftist at all, my political involvement is just reading shit and sometimes talking to people. But just to put it out there, even when I worked full time I still wouldn't be making enough money to support myself on my own, much less my family. It pisses me off because even though I work my ass off, I'm still as bad as a loser who lives with his mom, except worse cuz I live with someone elses. And yeah I don't want to join the military, not just for political reasons but because it would fucking suck, and I'm about to do the third route and go to school to be a paramedic. Still its gonna be hard as fuck trying to work full time, go to school, and help with my daughter as much as possible. I've basically got one chance with the financial aid and if I fuck up at school, I'm basically joining the military. This isn't supposed to be a sob story, a lot of this is my fault and with the grades I had in high school I probably could have accomplished a lot more in my life but it is what it is. I just know there are a lot of other people in the military who joined coming from similar situations so I'm not as quick to judge as a lot of you guys.

[lines]

Afghanistan should run its own affairs, there's no point for the USA to be their. Whatever government they want they should have.


So to rehash this shit a third, fourth, or fifth time (I've lost count) I was talking to my cousin who's an imperialist baby killing scumbag fuck nigga horrible person child eating rapist sexist uncle tom Marine who just got back from Afghanistan. I asked him how much local support the Taliban had, and he pretty much said that most people there dont give a fuck about the US or the Taliban, all they want to do is farm and shit. I know this is anecdotal, but the actual reports I've seen show that the majority of the Afghans don't support the Taliban. So if most Afghans are opposed to the Taliban, and since reestablishing them won't do anything for socialism, why should we even give them critical support in the name of anti-imperialism. Oh, also for all of you awesome anti imperialists out there who think the Taliban are worth critically supporting, what about their genocide on the Hazara people? Not only are they fundamentalists but they are also Pashtun (the majority ethnic group) nationalists who have committed atrocities against other groups, so you're basically supporting the Afghan KKK in the name of anti-imperialism.

[teflon_john]

727Goon is the best poster on this board.

[727Goon]

#Swag

[Drosophila]

Yeah, I'm not sure I've seen anyone who's pro-Taliban around here. Though I have seen a pro-Hamas.

[ZrianKobani]

It's precisely the fact that you're set up to either join the military or die that is so repulsive about the whole thing. If the leftist struggle means anything to you, you do not sell out, you try to find the third option.
That might work in an Anti-Flag song but in real life, when survival is at stake, ideals will always become secondary. It would be great if we could all throw the world a big "fu-k you" and make it in a way not contradicting our politics but if that were the way of life, forums like this wouldn't exist or need to.