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Delenda Carthago
4th June 2011, 12:58
Inclusive Democracy

TAKIS FOTOPOULOS


Today we face a very serious multidimensional crisis. This crisis affects all spheres of life. In other words, it is an economic crisis, it is a political crisis, it is a social crisis, an ecological crisis, even a cultural crisis. So the question is, is there any common thread, that is, can we find any common cause for the various aspects of the crisis? And the answer, to my mind, is yes. The cause is always the concentration of power on various levels. It is the concentration of economic power, which leads to the economic crisis, of political power, which leads to the political crisis, and so on.

The political crisis is a by-product of the dynamics of representative democracy. Representative democracy is not a system that was always there – it was created at about the same time as the system of the market economy, 200 years ago, and its dynamics has led to the present situation, where it’s not parliaments any more that take important decisions, it’s not even the governing parties, but it’s just cliques around the president or the prime minister which take all the important decisions. This creates huge alienation. That’s why today we don’t have any more mass political parties. People do not become members of parties, as used to be the case in the past. Not only this: Today, many people do not even bother to vote. So this is a manifestation of the huge political crisis that the system of representative democracy is going through at the moment.

Therefore, if you look at every aspect of the present crisis, you will see that the ultimate cause behind it is the concentration of power in some form. And that’s why we need an inclusive democracy, because inclusive democracy is the abolition of this concentration of power at the institutional level, the abolition of this concentration of power in all its forms and the creation of conditions of equal sharing of power, of political, economic power, and so on.

I’m Takis Fotopoulos, I’m a writer and the editor of the international journal Democracy & Nature, the international journal for inclusive democracy, and I’ve been teaching economics at the University of North London, in the past, for over 20 years. I would like to talk about the project of inclusive democracy and I would like to start first with the question: What is inclusive democracy? I think it is important to stress that the inclusive democracy project is not just an economic model, but it is a broader political project, which aims to remake society at all levels, at the political level, the economic level, the social level, and, of course, in the ecological sphere. The overall aim of the inclusive democracy project is to create a society determined by the people themselves; in which, in other words, the “demos”, as it was the classical concept for the people, has overall control over the political sphere, the economic sphere and, the social sphere in general.

So the inclusive democracy project, in a sense, is a synthesis of the two major historical traditions, the socialist tradition and the democratic tradition, and also of the currents that developed in the last 30 or 40 years, the new social movements, i.e., the feminist movement, the ecological movement, the identity movements of various sorts, and so on. In other words, the inclusive democracy project is a synthesis of all those historical experiences, of the socialist and also the democratic tradition and all those new social movements. In this sense, we can say that the inclusive democracy project is neither a theoretical construct, as it is the product of all those historical experiences, nor is it a utopia – and it is not a utopia because there are already trends all around us leading to a society which in various aspects resembles the inclusive democracy society. Thus, everywhere, there are experiments going on with alternative institutions and whenever there is an insurrection, like, for example, the recent Argentinean one, we have seen people organizing themselves in general assemblies and trying to organize political and economic life according to principles which, like the principles that I’m going to explain in a moment, are the principles of the inclusive democracy project.

The four components of the inclusive democracy society are: first, political or direct democracy; second, economic democracy; third, democracy at the social level; and fourth, ecological democracy. So, let’s see briefly what we mean by each of those components.

Political or direct democracy means the authority of “demos”, of the people, over the political sphere. In other words, political democracy implies that it is the people, collectively, that take decisions about all political affairs, and directly, without representatives. Because what we call representative democracy today is a fake democracy, since there can be no representation of my will, of anybody’s will. That is, you can either express your will directly, or you can simply delegate certain kinds of wishes you have, but you cannot have somebody else decide for you. So political or direct democracy is the type of society where people directly and collectively decide for themselves on all important aspects of political life. That means that in a direct democracy every resident in a particular area takes part in the democratic process. We shall assume that usually this will not be a community of more than thirty to fifty thousand people.

In the same way that we define political democracy as the authority of demos over the political sphere, we can define economic democracy as the authority of demos over the economic sphere. This means that it is the citizen body, that is, all people at a mature age – which is decided by the assemblies – all people at a certain age who decide, i.e., take decisions on all major economic problems, particularly those affecting the meeting of basic needs. In an inclusive democracy, there should be no private ownership of productive resources, of the means of production, but instead the productive resources should be owned by the demos, i.e., there should be demotic ownership of the means of production.

The third component of inclusive democracy is democracy at the social level; that means at the micro level, at the level of the workplace, the household, the educational place, and so on. In all those places, there should be democracy in the sense that there should be equal distribution of power. There should be no distinction between workers working in a workplace, there should be, in other words, equal distribution of power between men and women, between teachers and students or pupils, and so on.

And, finally, we have the fourth component of inclusive democracy, the ecological democracy component, which means that the inclusive democracy aims to create the subjective and objective conditions so that man is reintegrated into nature; society is reintegrated into nature. This is important, because what we have today is a situation where society is separate from nature. We see nature as an instrument to achieve certain objectives – the main objective is economic growth, of course – and, as a result, we suffer the crisis that we have at the moment, a serious ecological crisis.

So, having seen what is an inclusive democracy and why we need an inclusive democracy, the next important issue is to see how an economic democracy, that is, how this basic component of inclusive democracy, will work, i.e., what sort of an institution we can imagine that would secure equal distribution of economic power. This is important, not in order to prescribe some kind of regime that should follow in the future – this is silly anyway because, in fact, it is the democratic assemblies of the future that will decide the form that their institution would take. What we can only do here is to give an idea of why such a system is feasible, how it can work, and make some proposals that would implement all the basic principles I mentioned before.

The model therefore of economic democracy that I’m going to explain in a moment also represents a synthesis – as the whole project of inclusive democracy represents a synthesis – it represents a synthesis of two systems that we have known in the past, the planning system, on the one hand, and the market system that we still have, on the other.

The basic element of the planning system was that it aimed at meeting the basic needs of all people. On the other hand, the basic element that is produced or presented by supporters of the market system as its main strong point is freedom of choice. However, neither of the two systems has worked as in theory. That is, the planning system, the central planning system in the East, has created some conditions so that the basic needs more or less of all people have been met, but this did not mean any kind of economic democracy because, as I said before, the decisions were taken by the political elite. Nor does the market system satisfy the supposed advantage of freedom of choice, because it’s ridiculous to even talk about freedom of choice when basic needs are not being fully met.

So the question is, how we can have a system that, on the one hand, secures the satisfaction of the basic needs of all citizens, and, on the other hand, secures freedom of choice? For this, the proposal of the inclusive democracy project is to combine the planning element, which would be especially useful as regards the meeting of basic needs, with the market element – not in the sense of a real market like the present one, but in the sense of an artificial market that I’m going to explain in a moment.

As you can see in this simple diagram,… at the bottom of the pyramid you can see “citizens decide”. And there you can see that it is citizens who decide production, decide consumption, decide work. In other words, all the important decisions are being taken by citizens. This is not accidental because you should not forget that this is a model of an economy which is stateless, in other words, it does not presuppose a state; it’s moneyless, in the sense that it does not presuppose money the way we know it today; and it is marketless, in the sense that there is no real market but an artificial market. Thus, it is basically citizens who decide.

So let’s move first to the consumption side of the economy. There, you can see that citizens decide, as consumers, how to allocate their income, which comes in the form of vouchers. That is, citizens, in exchange for the work they offer to society, are rewarded with vouchers.

Now, we may distinguish here between basic and non-basic vouchers. Let’s start first with the basic vouchers on the right [Editor’s note: on the right side of the diagram.]. We can estimate the number of man-hours that people have to offer to society, to the community, so that their basic needs are satisfied. The planners, in other words, on the basis of estimates about what are basic needs – and what are basic needs is decided democratically, not objectively, because if you introduce the element of objectivity, then you may easily end up with all sorts of arbitrary decisions, so, democratically, citizens decide which needs are basic and also what should be the level of satisfaction so that the basic needs, say food or clothing or whatever, are satisfied – and, also on the basis of estimates about the size of the population and the entitlement of each citizen to particular basic needs, on the one hand, and, on the other hand, on the basis of technological averages, can find out what is the total number of basic hours (and, correspondingly, the basic vouchers) that should be offered in a community, of say thirty or fifty thousand people, so that its basic needs are satisfied.

The non-basic vouchers are issued to citizens who would like to work over and above the minimum requirement that is needed for the satisfaction of basic needs. Let’s say that planners have estimated that everybody has to work three hours a day so that all basic needs are met. If somebody wants to work more than three hours, either in the same line of activity or in a different one, then he is rewarded for this with non-basic vouchers, which he can use to buy commodities – i.e., goods and services that are of non-basic nature.

The question that arises with respect to non-basic vouchers is how we can determine the rates of exchange, in other words, the “prices” at which work is exchanged with non-basic vouchers. For basic vouchers, that is no problem because everybody has to work a minimum number of hours to meet his or her basic needs. But with non-basic vouchers, there is a question of what is the rate of remuneration. Now, here, we can take into account – and that’s why I talked before about an artificial market – the demand and supply conditions of the past. In other words, if, say, a mobile phone is characterized as a non-basic good by the assemblies and if, say, over the past six months, in this community, there has been an offer of, say, 100,000 non-basic vouchers in the purchase of mobiles, and with these 100,000 vouchers people could buy 1,000 mobiles because that was the total production of mobiles, then, if we divide the number of vouchers used in the purchase of mobiles by the number of mobiles produced, we get 100. So the price of a mobile is 100 non-basic vouchers. And, similarly, we can find out the price of any other non-basic good, in other words, by taking into account what production took place over a period of time and, also, what the demand for this particular type of good and service was. This way, therefore, we start with actual demand and actual supply conditions rather than – and this is a major drawback of most planning systems – by asking people in advance what they wish to buy and then calculating accordingly, through the planning mechanism, what is to be produced. The disadvantage of all these types of planning is that people have to decide six months or a year in advance what exactly they are going to buy, which, of course, is something that seriously restricts freedom of choice.

So, let’s move now to the production side of the economy. As you can see, citizens decide the production targets in demotic assemblies, on the one hand, and workplace assemblies, on the other. Now, demotic assemblies are perhaps the most important body of decision-making in the inclusive democracy. It is the assembly of the demos, the assembly of the citizen body in a particular area. The demotic assembly takes decisions on all aspects of economic and political and social life. As regards economics in particular, it takes decisions on the basis of the plan that is designed at the confederal level, which we are going to see in a moment. Thus, the demotic assembly, on the basis of the confederal plan instructions, as we have seen before, estimates what the basic needs of the people would be and how many hours each has to work. Then, on the basis of these instructions, the demotic assemblies give instructions to the various workplace assemblies of what the work tasks are – that is, what they have to produce in order to meet the basic needs of the people.

However, both demotic and workplace assemblies refer to the local level. But there are also problems of regional, or national, or even continental significance. That’s why we also need what we may call regional assemblies, as we can see in the diagram, which decide on problems that cannot be decided at the local level. This is because, in principle, all main decisions are taken at the local level but there are also problems that cannot be solved at the local level – take transport, take energy, take communication. You cannot solve this sort of problems at the local level, so there should be a regional assembly – consisting of delegates from demotic assemblies – which, however, only co-ordinates; it does not take decisions. That’s important, the regional assembly is only an administrative council, it’s not a policy-making body – remember, we have delegates, not representatives. So, from demotic assemblies, a number of delegates are elected to the regional assembly, in order to implement the decisions of demotic assemblies.

Finally, we have confederal assemblies, which are the highest economic organ of the inclusive democracy. And this means that an inclusive democracy cannot work only at the local level. Unless local democracies are confederated in a kind of confederal inclusive democracy, it is meaningless to talk about any reasonable allocation of resources. In fact, I could say that the three conditions of economic democracy are: first, what I mentioned before, demotic ownership of the means of production; second, self-reliance, that is, each local community, each demos, should be self-reliant, not in the sense of autarchy – autarchy is impossible today – but in the sense of relying on its own resources in order to meet as many needs as possible; and the third important principle that is implied by this economic democracy model is confederal allocation of resources, i.e., the allocation of resources takes place at the confederal level.

In a free society, the question is who is going to do the unpleasant jobs and how we can meet demand and supply when, say, more people would like to do jobs that are very pleasant, versus the other type of jobs. Now, one solution that has been suggested is the idea of job complexes, which means that people can do a variety of work tasks. In other words, we can expand the meaning of the job, or type of job, to include as many work tasks as possible. For example, if you work in an office, you can do typing but at the same time you can be involved in other types of more interesting work in the office and in decision-taking as well, and so on. So, in this sense, the job complex idea does sort out the problem of how we choose jobs in certain kinds of activities. But this is not a panacea, that is, there are types of activities that we can think of where the idea of job complexes may not work, especially if you need a very high degree of training and skill in order to do a particular job. I cannot think of a job complex for a surgeon, say, or for a pilot. I cannot imagine the surgeon doing the cleaning as well, or helping the nurse give injections because that would be a waste of his time and of society’s time, which is even more important. So, there should be some other way of expressing the desires of people as regards the type of work they choose.

As regards the non-basic type of work, there is a way that is proposed by the inclusive democracy system, which could sort out this problem. But as regards the basic type of work, I think the only solution to a serious mismatch between demand and supply is either rotation, (that is, people do various types of activities on rotation, so that you’re going to do hard work like building or mining and then rotate), or that you reward people doing jobs for which there is not much demand with non-basic vouchers on top of the basic vouchers they have to receive anyway.

As regards non-basic goods, if we move up to the diagram, then we can see that we have, on the left, the index of desirability and, on the right, the ‘prices’ of non-basic goods and services. These are the two basic elements that determine the rate of remuneration of non-basic work. The index of desirability is a complex index showing the desires of people as regards various types of work. First, a look at the index of desirability: We can design it as an inverse function of desirability, in the sense that the more desirable a job, a type of work is, the less the remuneration is, so that, in this way, we can have, on the one hand, satisfaction of the desires of people and, on the other hand, satisfaction of the needs of society, in the sense that for non-desirable work there should be higher remuneration – say, a builder or a miner should receive a higher remuneration than perhaps a university teacher if the university teacher’s job is more in demand (because he gets more satisfaction from his work) than that of a miner or a builder. Furthermore, and that’s important, we have an adjustment mechanism here at work, because if, say, in a particular type of activity there is not much offer for non-basic work, if, say, there are not many people who would like to do extra work in the production of mobiles, this would be reflected in the price of mobiles; the price of mobiles would go up as production of mobiles falls. But, as the price of mobiles goes up, the rate of remuneration would be going up as well, and this could attract more workers in the production of mobiles.

So, that’s in a nutshell how this model of economic democracy works. But as I said from the beginning, this is just a proposal to show that it is feasible to have a different kind of society meeting the basic needs of all citizens and at the same time meeting the demand for freedom of choice. And it is, of course, up to the general assemblies of the future to decide what exactly the form of their society should be.

Finally, the crucial question that we have to consider is how we can move towards an inclusive democracy, that is, how we envisage a transitional strategy towards this sort of society.

I think that the basic principle that should guide our steps here is that means should be consistent with ends. Therefore, we need a new type of political organization that would meet the basic demands of direct democracy. That rules out any kind of avant-garde and hierarchical political parties and so on. What we need instead is a new movement, a new kind of mass movement, which would be based on autonomous – more or less – organizations that would be confederated, of course, and which would start building institutions of inclusive democracy in their own areas.

In other words, I can see the transition towards an inclusive democracy using two sorts of tactics or, if you like, strategies: On the one hand, the usual defensive strategy of the left, which means taking part in the struggles of working class, and of people in general, against the attacks of neo-liberal globalization. But this is only one part of the struggle, as far as I can see it. The other, equally important, if not even more important, part of the struggle is the positive one: i.e., the one involving building alternative institutions within the present society.

In fact, this process has already started, that is, you can see all over the place co-ops being established by various groups, communes, LETS schemes in Anglo-Saxon countries, whereby people, particularly unemployed people, avoid the use of money and exchange their services directly with other services – so, there are all sorts of similar schemes going on at the moment. The problem is that all those schemes are not part of a comprehensive political program for political change.

This is why I would have no hesitation to suggest (even if such groups have already started installing alternative institutions) taking part in local elections. In other words, if such groups take part in local elections, in the context of an inclusive democracy program, or generally a program for a comprehensive type of democracy – and this presupposes that such groups have already developed into a massive movement with significant appeal to the people – then, if they win the local elections, they would have a perfect opportunity to apply, to implement massively at the local level, the principles of inclusive democracy. In other words, they would take local power in order to abolish it, if you like, the next day, in the sense that once they take over local power, then, from the next day on, they will start organizing people in neighborhood assemblies to take over themselves, instead of the usual municipal council, and so on.

The importance of the transitional strategy of the inclusive democracy project is that the new society will not be established at all unless the majority of the population has already subscribed to this project, unless, in other words, they have already adopted, – by using them – the alternative institutions in practice, and have acquired a corresponding democratic consciousness, So, unless the majority have already been integrated in a new society of this type, the society will not come about.

When the moment comes that the power from below, (i.e., this power that developed from below), is more powerful than the power of the normal authorities (in other words, capitalists, the state, and so on) then, after a period of tension between the state and the capitalist elite, on the one hand and the people, self-organized in this way, on the other, you could have a transition, which may or may not be violent. That is, it would be violent, of course, if the elites, as it is possible, attack this sort of experiments using various forms of force – and force need not be physical force, even economic force may sometimes be enough. But, it may not be violent. It all depends on the balance of power at the moment of transition.



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Kotze
4th June 2011, 18:10
Today we face a very serious multidimensional crisis. This crisis affects all spheres of life. In other words, it is an economic crisis, it is a political crisis, it is a social crisis, an ecological crisis, even a cultural crisis. So the question is, is there any common thread, that is, can we find any common cause for the various aspects of the crisis? And the answer, to my mind, is yes. The cause is always the concentration of power on various levels.I believe there is a lot of overlap between economic and political elites, so I find talk about multidimensional this or that misleading.
And, finally, we have the fourth component of inclusive democracy, the ecological democracy component, which means that the inclusive democracy aims to create the subjective and objective conditions so that man is reintegrated into nature; society is reintegrated into nature. This is important, because what we have today is a situation where society is separate from nature. We see nature as an instrument to achieve certain objectives – the main objective is economic growth, of course – and, as a result, we suffer the crisis that we have at the moment, a serious ecological crisis.I find it highly problematic to link economic growth nonchalantly like that with ecological problems. There are many people in ATTAC and green movements who write ominously about the "growth religion" of everybody from the far right to Keynesians and Marxists and always claim that link, but never justify it. It is very much possible to have a shrinking economy and make ecological problems worse at the same time, or growth while making ecological standards tighter. I also find the use of "we" in the above quote obnoxious. The ultra-rich fuck up everything, and then it's all we, we, we. They ask, Aren't we all greedy? Oh, the hybris of humanity. Next thing is often, Don't we consume too much? And they don't really mean themselves by that.

I'm also not a fan of splitting vouchers into basic/non-basic (http://www.revleft.com/vb/inclusive-democracy-introduction-t149028/index.html?p=2004635#post2004635). Let me expand on that a bit. There is a reason economists of just any type don't like giving food stamps and payments in kind to poor people, it is an incredibly bureaucratic process compared to handing out cash. Now Fotopoulos might say that since it's just two types, it should be much less bureaucratic. But it's still more simple having only one type and checking regularly that people on the lower end of the income spectrum have enough to afford a basket of goods and services. Though I suppose there is a way to categorize consumer items and services like that with broad agreement and only a small percentage of controversial edge cases, I don't think you can separate production processes like that, so I don't see how these accounting processes could operate according to very different laws, they would have to interact to form a coherent whole. Think about stuff that can be used as an input both for basics and non-basics, like steel and electricity. How would the usage ratio of dual-use input A be set? X amount of basic-good demand points ask for its service and Y amount of non-basic good demand. Even if people can't trade one type of voucher for the other, there would have to be an "exchange rate" for planning purposes.

Having a preferential treatment like a subsidy/tax system for basic goods and luxuries, and maybe something between, is a byzantine political process. Think about thousands of different goods. Compare that with not having these subsidies and taxes, and just having one type of voucher for consumer stuff and avoiding an excessive flimflam sector by a more egalitarian distribution of income.

Back when I registered here I proposed a system where people can get different incomes of buying points, but everybody has the same income of signal points which are hidden in (and equally distributed among) your buying points. The number of each type of points going to an item would be revealed at regular intervals, and for each good the proportion between these types would be used to determine where that item is on a spectrum from non-luxury to luxury. I didn't know for sure what to do with that data at that point, and I still don't know. Suppose these point ratios were used to automatically set some sort of tax or subsidy for each consumer good, without politics interfering. This would solve one problem the subsidy/tax approach usually has. But it would not solve the bread-to-pigs problem, the wasteful usage of a subsidized good by people who don't need that subsidy. A more egalitarian income distribution solves both problems.

Mr. Natural
4th June 2011, 18:11
Takis,
I appreciate the work you put in on this mini-manifesto. You also live in a country with ancient democratic tradlitions that is undergoing great socio-economic upheaval. What more could a revlefter want?

You seem reluctant to pull the trigger on capitalism as humanity's and nature's root problem, though. Isn't capitalism the systemic source of our social, economic, political, and ecological problems?

I'm new here and reluctant to get too bold too quickly. But I gotta be me, and I'm a red-green revolutionary who employs the new sciences to understand the organization of life and society. Here are some radical insights from this new science.

Life is an "inclusive democracy." Life is a systemic process composed of self-organizing, integrated wholes that exist in dynamic interdependence with each other and their physical environment. This pattern of life has prevailed on Earth for four billion years, and this is a bottom-up, intensely democratic pattern.

Capitalism, though, is a cancer of life in all its forms. Capitalism produces for profit and takes its runaway profit from life's and humanity's communities. Nature's and humanity's productive, creative powers have been captured and turned against life.

Life--Mother Nature--produces for community. Life generates a sustainable surplus (ecologicial profit) through the processes of photosynthesis and natural selection, and this surplus is used to maintain the communities of life. A cell is a community, as is an ecosystem and the human body.

So the new sciences show us how to organize into community--into your inclusive democracy. These new sciences reveal the "economics of life" and the manner in which we must organize. Human ecology (red) must be modeled upon natural ecology (green).

Well, are we not life? Marx and Engels certainly saw us as natural beings.

You edit Democracy and Nature. The new science sees democracy as the means by which nature organizes. Natural relations are democratic.

What I've touched upon in this thread represents a paradigm shift for a human consciousness that perceives things but misses their critical organizational relations. Life is a property of the organization of matter, and this really matters and is really difficult for people to see and understand.

I'm eagerly looking forward to developing with you and others a bottom-up, grassroots process of personal and social transformation. And Greece is a great place to begin.

Thanks for your work and my little work-out. Mr. Natural sends you his red-green very best.

pugachev
17th June 2011, 18:12
To Kotz,

I would like to offer a brief response to your remarks in the interest of clarifying what Inclusive Democracy is about.
First, there is indeed an overlap among the dominant elites of the system, in the sense that the dominant social groups in their respective spheres of politics, the economy, the realms of culture and society possess the power to formulate the basic parameters of these fields in accordance with their particular interests and ambitions. Of course, the shape and content they give to these institutions is primarily aimed: a) to vouchsafe the continuation of their dominance and concentration of power in their hands and b) to safeguard the preservation and reproduction of the system as a whole, since the very essence of a dominant social paradigm is the congruence and compatibility existing between the political, economic and cultural (ideological) structures of a particular system of social organization. So, the elites indeed overlap in the sense that all fields where power is concentrated in the hands of a minority are organized in accordance with a mutually-sustaining hierarchical paradigm, guaranteeing the unity of the social totality as a heteronomous structure in all spheres of social organization. For example, universities and the educational process maintain a nominal «autonomy» as opposed to the fields of politics and the economy, but they have to adjust their curriculum and the value-system they uphold to the needs of the system in general. Otherwise, the market economy would collapse due to lack of a trained and obedient work-force and representative democracy would be unsustainable in the absence of docile subjects.
Second, the notion of a multidimensional crisis does not refer to the relations among the elites, but to the consequences of the concentration of power on different spheres of social activity (politics, economy, society, culture) and on the environment. The effects of the crisis are different in every sphere. For example, in politics the subjection of the non-privileged social majority to the ruling political elite of representative institutions. In the economy, generalized poverty, the spread of relations of dependence and the increase of the uneven distribution of wealth worldwide and so on. So, although the cause of the present crisis can be traced in the concentration of power fostered by the system of the market economy and representative democracy, it must be described as multidimensional given that it encompasses disparate effects and developments, which in the end are mutually compatible and interconnected with one another.
Thirdly, Inclusive Democracy is not about exonerating any one of us from his/her share of personal responsibility. However, it interprets contemporary society as a hierarchical, class-based form of social organization in which power among social groups and individuals is unevenly distributed and so it traces the root of social evils to this class structure and holds those in power, those who have both a vested interest and take the decisions shaping the basic parameters of the system as the basic culprits for the problems that we are currently facing. With power, comes responsibility. Personal transformation towards a genuinely autonomous, democratic value-system is an integral part of our worldview, but ID feels that this transformation can only take place in the context of collective political struggle for the overthrow of the current disastrous system and the creation of new autonomous institutions of direct democracy and self-determination on a mass social scale. And of course, not all of us are equally to blame.
Fourthly, the destruction of the environment is the result of consumption patterns adopted by affluent westerners, in whose hands is concentrated most of the world’s generated income, and not the result of the life-style of the destitute nations in Africa, or South-east Asia. It is the result of the system of the internationalized market economy which depends on the continuous movement of goods and raw materials on a global scale, yet it does not allow for the establishment of social controls limiting the unfettered function of market-forces, not even those protecting the environment and our very lives because they run counter to profit of the corporations. And of course it is the result of the growth ideology which ascribes primacy to the development of productive forces over any other social, economic or ecological consideration. I agree that de-growth does not automatically mean to the abandonment of consumerism. For this, what is needed is also the complete abolition of the market-system and of representative democracy and the cultivation of a genuinely democratic value-system and of ecological consciousness among the citizens of the demos. To advocate inner self-transformation and the abandonment of consumerism without advocating struggle for the abolishment of the social and economic structures which foster and encourage such attitudes and without demanding the political and economic transformation of our social surroundings, is to be blind to the power of the system and to the class-nature of society. Not a very radical perspective from someone who claims to be a revolutionary, I might add.
Finally, regarding the ID economic system, the egalitarian distribution of income that you are proposing presupposes the preservation of money as a medium of exchange. Yet, money is also a medium for the accumulation of wealth and even if a system of egalitarian distribution is created, no one can exclude the probability of a new accumulation of wealth, resulting to a novel accumulation of economic power. The ID model proposes the introduction of the voucher system as a safeguard against this possibility, since vouchers correspond to consumption and not purchase units. Even if non-basic vouchers are handed-out, these would entitle the recipients only to increased individual consumption and could not lead to the institutionalization of relations of economic dependency (power) relations among different individuals or groups. Also, there is nothing bureaucratic about the fulfillment of basic needs.

To Mr. Natural,

Capitalism refers only to the existence of power relations in the sphere of the economy, namely to the private ownership of the means of production. However, history has shown that power-relations can persist even after private ownership has been abolished, as for example in the Soviet state. The dominant social paradigm used by ID is a much broader concept, incorporating class-distinctions in the broader sense, defining class structures in terms of the unequal access of different social groups to the sources of power in politics, the economy, ideology, culture and the social realm. ID is proposing to eliminate power relations in all their forms, since contemporary class-identities are not monolithic and a person might be subject to power-relations on more than one level. For example, racism cannot simply be explained away as a by-product of the capitalist mode of production, nor are we justified to regard racial prejudice as a symptom. It will have to be abolished in its own right.

Hope this helps.

Pugachev

Die Neue Zeit
30th June 2011, 23:25
Takis,
I appreciate the work you put in on this mini-manifesto. You also live in a country with ancient democratic tradlitions that is undergoing great socio-economic upheaval. What more could a revlefter want?

AttackGr isn't Takis, just so you know.

Kotze
1st July 2011, 01:26
@pugachev: After reading your response, I still believe you Inclusive Democray guys overstate how separate elites are.
the destruction of the environment is the result of consumption patterns adopted by affluent westerners (...) I agree that de-growth does not automatically mean to the abandonment of consumerism.My actual position is that economic growth and less pollution are possible together, and I should have clarified something when I said that the ultra-rich fuck up everything. I didn't mean that so much from the point of what they consume. I don't think you can do much about the environment by changing your consumption, even if you are well-off, even if you are in a big network of like-minded ethical consumers. What's more straight-forward, a boycott or a strike.
Finally, regarding the ID economic system, the egalitarian distribution of income that you are proposing presupposes the preservation of money as a medium of exchange.I advocate a system where you get more consumption points for working longer and harder (but only within a small spectrum, and there will be needs-based adjustments) and how consumption points are spent is used to fine-tune production; a system where you can't buy means of production, can't hire workers, can't inherit these points or simply transfer them from your account to another person's account. Whether this counts as money depends on how you define the term.

As for how bureaucratic 2 voucher types are: I don't think we are all individually special snowflakes who can't find broad agreement on which category is rice and which category is snowboards, I do think however that 2 voucher types are more bureaucratic than 1 type. I still don't know how the "exchange rate" I mentioned in my last post is to be set under the dual system or whether that question even occured to Fotopoulos O_______________O