animal rights and environmentalism.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I just cannot bring myself to care at all about either of these topics. My eyes start to glaze over and my jaw becomes slack at the mere mention of them.

Is something wrong with me?

[Red Future]

Nope its just your communist nature identifying Capitalism as the main enemy rather than some abstract factor such as animal rights.

[Angry Young Man]

Environmentalism should be just another string to our bow.

[Delenda Carthago]

I just cannot bring myself to care at all about either of these topics. My eyes start to glaze over and my jaw becomes slack at the mere mention of them.

Is something wrong with me?
you are perfectly fine.trust me.

[Hebrew Hammer]

I care about the rights and enviroments of cats, both house and big, indeed.

[Kuppo Shakur]

Nah man you don't understand how lucky you are.

[Pirate Utopian]

I dont care either.

[Veg_Athei_Socialist]

I just cannot bring myself to care at all about either of these topics. My eyes start to glaze over and my jaw becomes slack at the mere mention of them.

Is something wrong with me?
Any reason why you feel that is?

[Rusty Shackleford]

i really dont care so much about animal rights(animal cruelty is fucked up though). i do care about making the environment less toxic and a little less degraded but thats it.

dont worry dude.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Any reason why you feel that is?

I don't know. The topic just bores me.

A lot of people within the "milieu" seem to place great importance on it, though. I read Fire To The Prisons and half the entries in the prisoner support section are for people affiliated with ELF or similar organizations. I'm always like, damn dawg, years in the federal pen seems like kind of a waste just in order to save the minks or foxes or whatever.

[Spawn of Stalin]

I care about animals like bears and dolphins and giraffes and dogs but the environment can explode as far as I'm concerned.

[Quail]

I care about the environment because I live in it, and capitalism is destroying it. I'm not exactly for animal rights, but I'm against all unnecessary cruelty just because being cruel to animals for your own personal pleasure is fucked up.

[caramelpence]

I care about animals...

http://www.godine.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/steak.jpg

ON MY PLATE

[El Rojo]

animals are great an all, but i put humanity first. i really don't understand how this is a problem, so long as animals are not suffering unnecesarily

again, the environment is there for us to use and abuse, so long as we manage to stay sustainable (which we aint doint) then its all good

[JustMovement]

environmentalism isnt just a fad, although I thought it was for a while. If global warming continues it will have disastrous consequences. The places that are poor will be the worst affected. Rising sea levels could cause mass migrations, war over resources, increases in disease. Honestly global warming is the a topic Im surprised is not discussed more in the radical left.

[JustMovement]

PS We should distinguish between "scientific" environmentalism and new age bullshit like crying over mother nature and whenever a tree gets cut or whatever.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Global warming is a myth perpetuated by the liberal media

[JustMovement]

wat But Al Gore said its real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, really, learn science.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Got an E and a D in science when I was 16 years old pal. I believe I'm as qualified as anyone else is to say with absolute certainty that global warming is not happening.

[Os Cangaceiros]

An E for "excellent"? :w00t:

[Vanguard1917]

I care about animals...

ON MY PLATE

Like Peter Kay said: I couldn't be a vegetarian - man can't live on chips alone.

[JustMovement]

can vegeterians eat carnivorous plants? Because in a way they are eating meat.

[bailey_187]

do vegetarians perform oral sex

[Quail]

do vegetarians perform oral sex
Unless you bite someone's bits off and eat them when you give oral, I don't see why they shouldn't.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

do vegetarians perform oral sex
-.-
anyway,
I didn't really care too much about environmentalism. I knew of the topic and the concerns, but just shrugged it off. I decided to read "Ecology and Socialism" and it blew my fucking mind. I read it last year and am already considered rereading it.

I mean, I'm not not huge on the subject (it's not my first priority), however, it's a great book and opened my eyes to a lot of things that you won't hear idiots like Al Gore saying and advocating. It really gets to the root of the problem, which I haven't heard any other person really advocate or even mention.


/too serious of a post in chit-chat

[Ele'ill]

The environment is the area we inhabit every day so it's kind of important that it doesn't kill us, and for the qualities we need from it, that we don't kill it. Animal liberation involves abolishing every industry we possibly can that enslaves animals and inflicts emotional distress and physical pain. How any human can say that abuses are wrong against a human but not against an animal 'because one is human and the other is not' is fucking hilariously telling. So it has nothing to do with the pain and suffering? "NO NO NO, IT HAS TO DO WITH THAT THEY'RE HUMAN" Right but it's because of the pain and the emotional trauma that makes the abuses so invasive and violating I just .. "NO NO NO IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE HUMAN" Yeah whatever :rolleyes:

[bailey_187]

my environment is the concrete, metal, bricks etc of inner london. ill defend MY environment from u hippies to the death

[Spawn of Stalin]

Yeah most workers' environments are mostly grey and that includes mine so I really don't see any logical reason why socialists should care about being green.

[Spawn of Stalin]

As long as the streets are in a good enough condition for me to ride my bike on them I'm happy.

[Pirate Utopian]

do vegetarians perform oral sex

Do vegans swallow?

[NoOneIsIllegal]

^ yes.
WEINER IS KOOL, DAWGZ. JUST NOT ANIMAL WEINER.

[Pirate Utopian]

Yeah but humans are animals so cum is an animal product.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

millions of vegans and vegetarians just exploded. thanks man!

[Ele'ill]

No, vegans don't swallow. And if they by chance do since this is a silly question anyways, it's someone sharing liquid out of love, in a noninvasive manner. There is consent.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

don't spread lies. people get down and dirty, no matter what their food/lifestyle preference is.

[caramelpence]

How any human can say that abuses are wrong against a human but not against an animal 'because one is human and the other is not' is fucking hilariously telling.

I don't think there is a single humanist who does this. The issue is not so much that humans have human DNA, it is that the biological makeup of humans is such that we can do and be things that animals cannot and that we are unique as a species, especially in terms of our ability to abstract from our immediate conditions and reflect on our goals and wants. The very fact that humans talk about concepts like rights and that we can have discussions about what the criteria are for the application of rights is itself evidence of just how different human beings are from other species who lack the same capacity for abstraction and reflection. The same is true of the notion of abuse - properly understood, abuse means a way of treating someone that violates a certain set of socially-constructed understandings about the way that people should be treated, such that it relies on an ability to compare empirical experiences and acts with a body of conceptual norms and to identify transgressions of the latter. When people talk about animal abuse they are necessarily speaking in terms of the violation of standards that have been applied by human beings to animals, rather than standards that have been articulated by animals themselves, because animals do not have the capacity to understand and put forward the philosophical and moral concepts that underpin the notion of abuse. If, hypothetically, we were to encounter a species that shared the unique (in comparison to the organisms that we currently know of) capacities of humans but differed from human beings in biological terms (say an alien lifeform) then I and I think most other radical humanists would agree that it would also be obligatory to treat the members of that species in the same way that we should treat human beings.

Now go back to the woods.


No, vegans don't swallow. And if they by chance do since this is a silly question anyways, it's someone sharing liquid out of love, in a noninvasive manner. There is consent.

So if there was a cow that wanted to be eaten it would be okay to eat it?

[bailey_187]

how did u know the seamen wanted u to invade their personal autonomy my eating them

[Os Cangaceiros]

my environment is the concrete, metal, bricks etc of inner london. ill defend MY environment from u hippies to the death

lol

[Il Medico]

Unless you bite someone's bits off and eat them when you give oral, I don't see why they shouldn't.
I believe that was a joke about eating 'meat'

[JustMovement]

Cant we all please just all respect our beautiful mother nature? Have YOU ever made love to a tree? Have you felt its sap running through yours hands?

Anyways, I dont know about you, but just because Im living in a grey shit hole doesnt mean I dont want it to become a little better. Fine, I admit it, I ENJOY parks. If that makes me a hippy so be it. Also I would like my future hypothetical children to know more animals exist other than cows, pigs, and chickens, and that they have not all gone extinct. Also I dont want them to be living in some post-apocalyptic wasteland due to a horrific nuclear accident or C02 emissions.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Parks are fine because they're park of the urban landscape. Fields and forests, not so much. Cutting down the rainforest is ok but try to fuck with that oak tree on the corner of my street and we're going to have a big problem

[Os Cangaceiros]

pave the planet! death to flora and fauna!

[Os Cangaceiros]

One of the things that I think people who live in congested urban environments really miss out on is the air, though. People who've lived in cities all their lives don't really understand this, but the air they breath sucks (well, maybe they do understand that, but I don't think they realize just how much it sucks). Hell, I've walked through NYC at times and have ingested what seems to be pure gaseous shit straight through my nostrils. It's like I'm enhaling manure as I walk through the streets, for a good 30 seconds.

Where I live now, there is virtually no development at all. It is what most people down south would consider "the wilderness". And man, the air is amazing. I've explained this to other people, but yeah. I take skiff rides out into the bay next to my house, and you just get to ingest the coolest, most refreshing pure breeze ever. It literally turns my mood around sometimes. When the flowers on the surrounding hills come into bloom, the smell of all of them blows down into the bay and it smells like sweet honey. It's one of life's small pleasures IMO.

[Spawn of Stalin]

People who've lived in cities all their lives don't really understand this, but the air they breath sucks

Good for the immune system

[Rusty Shackleford]

Good for the immune system
great way to get asthma too.

ive lived in rural and urban places. and i have to say, i like to be within reach of both.

[bailey_187]

Good for the immune system

its gives u strong, iron lungs also

[Tablo]

One of the things that I think people who live in congested urban environments really miss out on is the air, though. People who've lived in cities all their lives don't really understand this, but the air they breath sucks (well, maybe they do understand that, but I don't think they realize just how much it sucks). Hell, I've walked through NYC at times and have ingested what seems to be pure gaseous shit straight through my nostrils. It's like I'm enhaling manure as I walk through the streets, for a good 30 seconds.

Where I live now, there is virtually no development at all. It is what most people down south would consider "the wilderness". And man, the air is amazing. I've explained this to other people, but yeah. I take skiff rides out into the bay next to my house, and you just get to ingest the coolest, most refreshing pure breeze ever. It literally turns my mood around sometimes. When the flowers on the surrounding hills come into bloom, the smell of all of them blows down into the bay and it smells like sweet honey. It's one of life's small pleasures IMO.
That is why NYC is my least favorite place I have ever visited. It seriously messes with my sensitive Alabamian sinuses.