American Politics Forum Game

[ryacku]

Any position where it says (No Player) is open. You can always join as a politician of a political party, or create a political party with the support of two other players.

Turns:
Q1 2013 (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2132033&postcount=2)

Basic Economics:
Doesn't hurt to read this on economics either. (http://www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson/)

Slightly More Advanced Economics:
-Because the Clinton administration changed the accounting procedures for determining the national deficit, money from payroll taxes will increase the debt because the money will go towards. As a result it will shift ownership of the debt to social security and medicare. If you don't understand this, don't worry, but please don't complain that the debt is increasing if you manage to have a budget surplus.

Basic Political Science:
-There are factions within political parties. It isn't unknown for politicians to vote against a bill, and even if a party has a majority in the House and the Senate, a bill may not pass.
-In real life there are Blue Dog Democrats, liberal-ish Republicans, etc. Political stances of a politician depends less on his party and more on his voting district. In short: no socialist will be elected in Texas, and no libertarian will be elected in coastal New England.


Some Clarification Regarding the Budget: I merged some of the smaller agencies to reduce the items I have to keep track of. Also, Social Security and Medicare will naturally increase as people retire and take on benefits, along with the other departments as bureaucracy/prisons/crime naturally expands due to bureaucracy/population.

Rules
Political Parties: Players may create political parties, only if two other players will become politicians for that party.

Turns: There will be four game turns (a quarter) each game year. There will be a new turn every 3-7 days. During each game turn players may debate amongst themselves regarding actions. Congressional and Presidential elections will occur at expected parts of the year.

The President may decide upon foreign policy and negotiate treaties. Due to the war powers act, he can order a foreign military operation limited to a period of 60 days. He may also order a domestic military operation The President may also veto laws.
The Vice President may give a tie-breaking vote. He may also engage in some diplomacy.
Congressmen may submit a new bill, vote to limit appropriations, to approve treaties, decide taxes, vote upon new regulations, override a veto, etc.

The United Party is mostly a conservative party.
The Liberty Party is mostly a liberal party.

How a bill becomes a law in this game: To simplify everything for everyone, a congressman proposes a new bill. Everyone voices their approval or disapproval with parts of the bill, and is then amended and reposted by the congressman who will label it as the final version. The bill will then be voted upon.

How the budget is approved: Once again, for simplicity, each budget item can be modified via a bill. The budget, as-is, is assumed to automatically pass.

Note: China may become an available nation to play much later in the game.

[ryacku]

Q1 2013

Supreme Court: 1 Highly Conservative, 4 Conservative, & 4 Liberal Justices.

President: James V. Beasley, First Term, United Party (tachosomoza)
Vice President: George Hobart, United Party (xub3rn00dlex)

2013 Budget Report (https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1q-tqSWIphoNBp9anhn8rI6dCEBCkd0v-YfLVZhYThCI)
Short History: A period of revolts and unrest in the Arab world has replaced many corrupt dictatorships with corrupt democratic governments. The US doesn't come out of the recession as quickly as many wanted, Americans became impatient, and voted in the local conservative party.

Approval Rating: ~60%

Political Parties:

United Party:
-Senate: 50 Seats
-House: 219 seats
-Notable Politicians: Senate Majority Leader (AZ): Conrad Bingaman (theblitz), Speaker of the House (TX): John Rayburn (cu247)

Liberty Party
-Senate: 50 Seats
-House: 214 seats
-Notable Politicians: Senate Minority Leader (NY): Rod Abrams (RGacky), Senator (MA): Greg Kariotis (Metacomet), Senator (MI): Joseph Myers (Bardo)

Communist Party of America (Marxist-Leninist)
-Senate: 0 Seats
-House: 0 Seats
Notable Politicians: Party Leader (CA): Leon Maciejewski (TheRedWolverine), Mayor of Detroit: Isaac Greensberg (Leftie), Rear-Admiral (RET): Gregory Schultz (Impulse97)

New Libertarian Party of America
-Senate: 0 Seats
-House: 0 Seats
Notable Politicians: Party Leader (VA): Michael Rosenberg (Hailtothethief), Unelected Party Politician (CA): Joe Maccali (ICanHazClassWar?)

News Items
-The world has not ended.
-James V. Beasley has been inaugerated as the President of the United States of America.
-A military coup has occurred in Bangladesh by a radical Muslim faction of the army. India demands that democracy and the President be reinstated. China has issued a statement of slight support for the new Bangladeshi junta.
-The Japanese have built a new supercomputer, which has displaced the Chinese Tianhe-1A as the fastest computer in the world. The supercomputer is planned to be used for new social science experiments in simulating how people react to social conditions.
-German scientists have developed a new antibiotic, the first in over thirty years. This will help deal with the rise in antibiotics resistant bacteria.
-An American pharmaceutical company has developed a new experimental drug which might relieve some symptoms of arthritis. The drug is currently undergoing testing.
-Unusually cold weather in Russia has caused havoc in transportation. The Russian President has declared a state of emergency and military helicopters are aiding in transport.
-Greece once again suffers from mass rioting, but efforts to bring them under control fail. US banks that own debt in Greece discreetly request intervention, and the EU is drawing up a peacekeeping force in response to a steady stream of refugees fleeing the civil violence in Greece. The value of the Euro drops a bit.
-The Islamic militant group, European Islamic Front, has bombed a bar frequented by US soldiers in Germany.
-A car bomb explosion near a crack house in New Orleans is suspected to be part of an escalating gang war.
-Major new outlets have picked up on how Egypt is funding jihadis in Somalia, apparently for five years now. The American public demands cutting military aid to Egypt.

[Welshy]

I would like to join. Instead of being a member of the liberty or United Parties I would make the Communist Party of America (Marxist-Leninist) if another player would to join me. If not I would like to be in the United Party.

[Leftie]

I would like to join. Instead of being a member of the liberty or United Parties I would make the Communist Party of America (Marxist-Leninist) if another player would to join me. If not I would like to be in the United Party.

I'd like to join you :)

[Die Rote Fahne]

I'd like to start the New Libertarian Party of America (Free Market Capitalist), my name: Michael Rosenberg.

Anyone care to join me as a free market a-hole?

[Welshy]

Oh I want my name to be Leon Maciejewski.

[ryacku]

Oh I want my name to be Leon Maciejewski.
Okay, good luck in not getting elected.

[the Left™]

I'll be Hailtothetheifs number two, Joe Maccali

[Welshy]

Okay, good luck in not getting elected.

Seeing how we have the mayor of Detroit, we have done better in elections than most far left parties in the real US :P.

[Impulse97]

Can I be Rear-Admiral Gregory Schultz, commander of Riverine Task Force 116, closet commie and a member of the CP?

[Die Rote Fahne]

I'll be Hailtothetheifs number two, Joe Maccali

Very nice, high five vanilla face!

[the Left™]

Very nice, high five vanilla face!

I have come to u s of a to make movie film(assuming borat reference lol idk )

[Die Rote Fahne]

I have come to u s of a to make movie film(assuming borat reference lol idk )

Yes :P

[Pretty Flaco]

Can I be independent governor of wisconsin? All of my major policies would be related to cheese production.

[Welshy]

We need some players for the Main parties or else this game will be going no where fast.

[Die Rote Fahne]

We need some players for the Main parties or else this game will be going no where fast.

Agreed, i vote no more invented characters or parties. People must pick one of the open roles.

[cu247]

I've never played a game like this before, but sign me in for John Rayburn and I'll do the best I can

[Welshy]

Agreed, i vote no more invented characters or parties. People must pick one of the open roles.

We should post a thread in chit chat to see if we can get people who would be interested in playing those roles.

[theblitz]

I'll take Conrad Bingaman.

[theblitz]

An Open Letter to the American People

Dear fellow citizens,

I am proud to say I have served the American people and the great state of Arizona as a Senator for nearly 20 years now. And while I love my work fighting for the best interest of this country and it's hard working families, I must admit this pit of vipers and politicians that is DC sometimes makes me pine for my youth on my father's ranch just north of Tucson. This city, our capital, has become a place where democracy dies. Our elected representatives, from both parties, march up here and promptly sell out the American people for whatever corporation, whoever banker, whoever elitist liberal professor promises them the most. I, for one, am absolutely sick of it.

Before 2008, these elites could get away with it. Even though we were being robbed by the top, most of us got by fine enough to accept it as a necessary evil. Since the crisis, however, and more and more American families suffer, while the corruption in DC grew to consume the entire nation, action has become obligatory. I grew to realize, as this depression unfolded, that this action must be focused on the balance of power and wealth. This nation has gone from a nation run by it's blue collar workers and middle class to a nation run by an oligarchical elite, be they northeastern liberal professors or corporate stiffs. And while the great mass of people just scrape by, a small number live in unimaginable luxury.

How many men ever went to a barbecue and would let one man take off the table what's intended for nine-tenths of the people to eat? The only way you will be able to feed the balance of the people is to make that man come back and bring back some of that grub he ain't got no business with.

How are you going to feed the balance of the people? What's Trump and Buffett and Soros and the Waltons gonna do with all that grub? They can't eat it. They can't wear the clothes. They can't live in the house.

But when they've got everything on the God-slaving earth that they can eat and they can wear and they can live in — and all that their children can live in and wear and eat and all their children's children can use — then we've got to call Mr. Trump and Mr. Buffett and Mr. Walton back and say, 'Come back here. Put that stuff back on this table that you took away from here that you don't need. Leave something else for the American people to consume.

God told you what the trouble was. The philosophers told you what the trouble was; and when you have a country where one man owns more than 100,000 people, or a million people, and when you have a country where there are four men, as in America that have got more control over things than all the 300 million people together, you know what the trouble is

Now, I hear all the time that the United Party is the party of the Rich. Let me tell you something you won't hear from any other United Party politician: this is absolutely true. There is, of course, a catch! So is the Liberty Party! In fact, both of these parties, with such great and long histories, have been hijacked by the rich and elites. The United Party and the Liberty Party are just like the old patent medicine drummer that used to come around our country. He had two bottles of medicine. He'd play a guitar and he'd sell two bottles of medicine.

One of those bottles of medicine was called High Popalorum and another one of those bottles of medicine was called Low Popahirum.

Finally somebody around there said is there any difference in these bottles of medicines? 'Oh,' he said, 'considerable. They're both good but they're different,' he said.

'That High Popalorum is made from the bark off the tree that we take from the top down.

And that Low Popahirum is made from the bark that we take from the root up.'

And the only difference that I have found between the United leadership and the Liberty leadership was that one of 'em was skinning you from the ankle up and the other from the ear down — when I got to Congress.

Despite these challenges, I am not without hope. I am absolutely confident that the strength and traditions of the American people and defeat the forces which seek to subvert our democracy.

Now, you may say "My, Bingaman's starting to sound like a liberal!" Well, my friends, you would be wrong. I have come to my conclusions about the state of this country not from any Marxist and Socialist scribbles, or anything some elitist northeastern ivy league liberal professor wrote, but from the holiest of documents. From Jesus Christ and the Bible, where we learn that mercy and charity and loving our neighbor is the greatest undertaking, and from the Declaration of Independence, which declares that all men are created equal.

With these concerns in mind, and an eye toward the future, I announce the creation of the People's America Caucus of the United Party, dedicated to aiding the working and middle class of America from the assault of the Elites. We will raise taxes on the top 2% and lower taxes for the rest of the nation. We will share this nations wealth with it's people. We will uphold the American family and protect it's conservative traditions from liberal assault. We will fight to save this nation from becoming an oligarchy of fatcats!

Your representative,
Conrad Bingaman

[RGacky3]

Senate Minority leader.

[ryacku]

*waves hand around*
Approved.
Approved.
Approved.
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.

[xub3rn00dlex]

Anybody want to recommend a role for me to play? =]

[Welshy]

Anybody want to recommend a role for me to play? =]

We could use someone to play the president.

[tachosomoza]

I'll play the Pres. :D

[xub3rn00dlex]

I'll play the Pres. :D
I'll be vice pres. in that case =]

[the Left™]

when do we start? The New Libertarian Party has got some serious witch hunting to start

[ryacku]

Feel free to start posting bills and start doing things.

Also: Approved. Approved.

[tachosomoza]

Let's roll. Remember, I'm a "conservative" that's very easy to work with and to approach. No Maggie Thatcher or Ronnie Ray-Gun here.

[the Left™]

Populist rally in rural Kentucky, New Libertarians invited to speak

Joe Maccali takes the stand

"My friends, my fellow patriots. We are living in dangerous and ominous times. Statists run amok in parliament, and are on a fiscal course that will devastate our countries financial solvency. The foundation of our country is in jeopardy to these godless bureaucrats who want to infiltrate and control ever aspect of you life."

I WILL NOT... TOLERATE THIS

The American people deserve a better way. They deserve philosophical and political purity. Today I proclaim that we openly identify known communists and socialists in our government and demand that they be held accountable for their devious and morally bankrupt ideology of redistribution.

Who's with me?

*Mild Applause*

I SAID WHO IS WITH ME

*yea YEA!*

Go out and tell you neighbors and your friends that no communist can sleep at night in America. They must be found and purged!


*communist witch hunt begins in the deep south*

[tachosomoza]

Populist rally in rural Kentucky, New Libertarians invited to speak

Joe Maccali takes the stand

"My friends, my fellow patriots. We are living in dangerous and ominous times. Statists run amok in parliament, and are on a fiscal course that will devastate our countries financial solvency. The foundation of our country is in jeopardy to these godless bureaucrats who want to infiltrate and control ever aspect of you life."

I WILL NOT... TOLERATE THIS

The American people deserve a better way. They deserve philosophical and political purity. Today I proclaim that we openly identify known communists and socialists in our government and demand that they be held accountable for their devious and morally bankrupt ideology of redistribution.

Who's with me?

*Mild Applause*

I SAID WHO IS WITH ME

*yea YEA!*

Go out and tell you neighbors and your friends that no communist can sleep at night in America. They must be found and purged!


*communist witch hunt begins in the deep south*


*Issues memorandum to FBI director to begin monitoring New Libertarians as potential threats to safety and security of nation.*

[Die Rote Fahne]

Another rally, simultaneously held, this time held in Virginia:

Michael Rosenberg, leader of the New Libertarian Party stands at the podium.

"Fellow Americans! We are faced with oppression far greater than any, an oppression which wants it's hands in your pockets, to tell you how long you can work, what you can pay others, and how much you owe them. The oppression of big government! We do not want this, do we?"

*Crowd hisses*

"We will oppose all the socialist measures and schemes of this government, and we will invoke the invisible hand of God into the market, and we will see prosperity! With this prosperity, we must stop the communist usurpers who want to violently overthrow this great republic, and turn us into a third world dictatorship! Inform all government officials and NLP officials of those known to you as socialists, communists and anarchists! We must stop them, before they imprison us all under the iron fist of socialist oppression!"

*Cheers from crowd*

"We want to remove all taxes, and put the money in your pockets! Stop the stealing of your money and putting it into the hands of abusers of the system, who are too lazy to work! Stop this socialist theft that is social security! Friends, fellow Americans, great patriots, our constitution lays it all out...this is supposed to be a free market, not a market of government! The constitution is our law, and in the next elections, you must follow your own patriot heart, the way of our founding fathers, vote for the New Libertarian Party, vote for the constitution! May God bless you all, and may God bless the United States of America!"

*Mass applaud and cheers*
*Continued small government/big government libertarian ranting from others*

OOC: I feel dirty for that...

[Welshy]

OOC: Can we have information about the political make up of the states governments like which party controls state legislative and executive branches? Also is the US involved with the same wars that we are and are the war on drugs and the drug cartel violence important issues in this game? I take it that undocumented immigration is a big issue as well.

In Character:

I would like to announce that the CPA(ML) will be holding a rally with immigrant rights groups in Sacramento dealing with immigrant rights and the condition of migrant workers and other farm workers in the Central valley.

Leon Maciejewski, General Secretary of the CPA(ML)

[tachosomoza]

NBC News Report: Secretary of Labor invites Leon Maciejewski, General Secretary of CPA, to Washington to discuss migrant and immigration policy.

[Welshy]

NBC News Report: Secretary of Labor meets with Leon Maciejewski, General Secretary of CPA, in Washington to discuss migrant and immigration policy.

OCC/IC: I'm not sure if we can make announcements for news stations, but I'll consider speaking with the Secretary of Labor.

Leon Maciejewski, General Secretary of CPA(ML)


OCC: Can party membership numbers be available for non-major-party parties, that way we don't do stuff that only larger parties can?

[ryacku]

OOC: Can we have information about the political make up of the states governments like which party controls state legislative and executive branches? Also is the US involved with the same wars that we are and are the war on drugs and the drug cartel violence important issues in this game? I take it that undocumented immigration is a big issue as well.

In Character:

I would like to announce that the CPA(ML) will be holding a rally with immigrant rights groups in Sacramento dealing with immigrant rights and the condition of migrant workers and other farm workers in the Central valley.

Leon Maciejewski, General Secretary of the CPA(ML)
Yeah, honestly that's a ridiculous amount of detail that won't contribute to the game. I can't give detail on each state's politics. Just assume things are somewhat similiar to RL. And besides, what are you going to do, knowing who's governor of what state and etc?

Right now immigration, crime, and the economy are items to be dealt with.


NBC News Report: Secretary of Labor meets with Leon Maciejewski, General Secretary of CPA, in Washington to discuss migrant and immigration policy.
OOC: Why would the secretary of labor of a conservative US government meet with the Communist Party General Secretary?

Breaking News
Riot police in several cities apprehend several thousand New Libertarian members as they attack the "Communists." The Director of the FBI urges for the banning of the New Libertarian Party.

[tachosomoza]

Well, Reagan was meeting with Union people in 1981 shortly before he got shot...granted, he also broke the Air traffic strike with heavy handed methods.

I intended for the meeting to give the impression of my administration being an openmimded one.

In character: President adds New Libertarians to list of violent terrorist groups, grants federal agencies permission to freeze all accounts and supports the issuance of arrest warrants for party leadership.

[Welshy]

Yeah, honestly that's a ridiculous amount of detail that won't contribute to the game. I can't give detail on each state's politics. Just assume things are somewhat similiar to RL. And besides, what are you going to do, knowing who's governor of what state and etc?

Right now immigration, crime, and the economy are items to be dealt with.


0[;-
Eh, I was just curious about general political climate in the states, so I know which areas would be easier for my party to organize in or know which one will be the most hostile to us. But if we assume it is similar to real life, then that will answer my questions.

[theblitz]

Press Release from the Office of Conrad Bingaman

I wholeheartedly oppose the measure by the President to limit the free speech of the New Libertarian Party. While they are deluded in their belief that giving the banker and corporate elite free reign over this country will help us, we must respect their fundamental rights. I have no problem with prosecuting those who directly attacked other American citizens, but shutting down an entire political party because of the actions of a few radicals reminds me of another country, Hitler's Germany.

I will place a bill before the Senate that will remove the New Libertarians from the domestic terrorist list and guarantee their rights to free expression.

In other news, I will be proposing a sweeping revision of the tax code, one which will greatly increase taxes on the top 2%, the liberal elite, while significantly reducing them for the rest of the nation. Income taxes on top earners will be raised to 50% while the great majority of Americans will experience tax relief. It will also cut all loopholes which allow American owned and operated corporations from escaping our tax laws. It will forbid these corporations from attempting to flee this country with their wealth stolen from the American people to pay off their big European liberal banker elite.

Wealth must be shared in this country. We cannot allow the Elite Liberal New York Bankers, the Elite Liberal Ivy League Professors, and the Elite Liberal Foreigner Corporate Overlords to get away with robbery. If a big corporation makes money from the American People, they will pay their fair share!

I also condemn the President for meeting with vile Marxists and Socialists. Is he not aware that they are part of an international liberal conspiracy to subvert the American way of life? To hand all of our hard earned money to big business and the banking elite? I believe in the Bible, Mr. President. I believe in the Declaration of Independence. I'm becoming increasingly worried you do not.

[Bardo]

I'd like to be a Liberty Party Senator from Michigan if I could.

[Die Rote Fahne]

We see the communist roots of this government now. Meetings with those who wish to rule in a dictatorship, who wish to steal more of our hard earned money, attempting to silence the New Libertarian Party...shame on them...shame.

Great Americans! We must use the constitution to our advantage, I will be taking on the government in the court system, to assure our right to freedom of speech, to assure your rights! I call out to you to rally against this regime of socialists and big government elites, across this nation. I call on all people who want to eliminate or lower taxes, who want small government, instead of intruding "hands-in-your-pocket" big brother government. Rally peacefully in the streets, tell congress you will not stand for this oppression!

In two weeks time, gather in the streets of the capital cities, protest this disregard for our constitutional rights!

God Bless!

Michael Rosenberg, NLP.

[xub3rn00dlex]

You dare call us Socialist!? God loving people of America, we now see the true character of these libertarians! They dare accuse us of communism, when it is they themselves who wish to steal your hard earned money, and redistribute it! That is the true face of socialism!

How can we allow such monstrosities to occur? How dare these thieves attempt to steal from hard working Americans only to better their own lives, forcing the rest of the people to stand in endless lines for food, water and clothing?

I am asking America not to fall prey to this socialist beast! They will take everything you have worked hard for and earned, and give it to whoever they see fit! These Libertarians disguise themselves behind the democratic mask, when truly they are communists at heart! Defend your property Americans, defend your freedoms! Defend your identity!

~V.P. George Hobart, UP

[Metacomet]

I'd like to be a liberal party Senator from Massachusetts if possible.

Fictionally-a bit to the left of the party. But a younger "rising star"

[Die Rote Fahne]

You dare call us Socialist!? God loving people of America, we now see the true character of these libertarians! They dare accuse us of communism, when it is they themselves who wish to steal your hard earned money, and redistribute it! That is the true face of socialism!

How can we allow such monstrosities to occur? How dare these thieves attempt to steal from hard working Americans only to better their own lives, forcing the rest of the people to stand in endless lines for food, water and clothing?

I am asking America not to fall prey to this socialist beast! They will take everything you have worked hard for and earned, and give it to whoever they see fit! These Libertarians disguise themselves behind the democratic mask, when truly they are communists at heart! Defend your property Americans, defend your freedoms! Defend your identity!

~V.P. George Hobart, UP

The United Party is afraid, because we will not only NOT steal your money, we will guarantee your property rights under the constitution, and focus on the economy as opposed to gay marriage, and other such nonsense. He dares call us communist? We will end the big govenment programs, ensure private enterprise can succeed, and allow people to spend their money however they choose by ending all taxes. We will minimize the government to it's true roll of protecting private property and enforcing contracts.

The Vice President is a liar, and he uses you, the people, as his wallet. He taxes you, stealing your money by force so someone you don't know can get healthcare or collect welfare instead of working for it.

Stand up against the lying big government!

Michael Rosenberg, NLP

[ryacku]

Well, Reagan was meeting with Union people in 1981 shortly before he got shot...granted, he also broke the Air traffic strike with heavy handed methods.

Okay, but it seemed a bit unusual which was why I asked.

[Welshy]

While the UP and NLP are bickering over who represents the small ruling class the best, the CPA(ML) is busy fighting for the large working class of this country! This is because unlike the other parties, we are members of the working class! We are your friends, your family, your neighbors, your coworkers. We fight for socialism because it is in all of our interests. The ruling class knows that and that's why they try to demonize us and attack us! Workers of America don't fall prey to this attack, stand up and fight back!

Leon Maciejewski, General Secretary of CPA(ML)

[tachosomoza]

You dare call us Socialist!? God loving people of America, we now see the true character of these libertarians! They dare accuse us of communism, when it is they themselves who wish to steal your hard earned money, and redistribute it! That is the true face of socialism!

How can we allow such monstrosities to occur? How dare these thieves attempt to steal from hard working Americans only to better their own lives, forcing the rest of the people to stand in endless lines for food, water and clothing?

I am asking America not to fall prey to this socialist beast! They will take everything you have worked hard for and earned, and give it to whoever they see fit! These Libertarians disguise themselves behind the democratic mask, when truly they are communists at heart! Defend your property Americans, defend your freedoms! Defend your identity!

~V.P. George Hobart, UP


The United Party is afraid, because we will not only NOT steal your money, we will guarantee your property rights under the constitution, and focus on the economy as opposed to gay marriage, and other such nonsense. He dares call us communist? We will end the big govenment programs, ensure private enterprise can succeed, and allow people to spend their money however they choose by ending all taxes. We will minimize the government to it's true roll of protecting private property and enforcing contracts.

The Vice President is a liar, and he uses you, the people, as his wallet. He taxes you, stealing your money by force so someone you don't know can get healthcare or collect welfare instead of working for it.

Stand up against the lying big government!

Michael Rosenberg, NLP


My fellow Americans, we must not resort to vile name calling and baseless attacks to express our disagreement. We all want what we think is best for our country. It is obvious that there is an unequal distribution of wealth in this country. I am willing to work with all parties to remedy these problems. There is absolutely no reason why Americans should let fellow Americans stand in endless lines and suffer endless waits for basic necessities such as healthcare, food, shelter, and water. There is absolutely no reason why those of us who are well off are allowed to skirt the law and avoid paying their just due to the nation that has aided them in achieving prosperity. Do not take seriously the ramblings of a few disturbed men who urge violence against those with whom they disagree. I will stand by my decisions to add the NLP to the domestic terrorist list and to freeze their bank accounts. They have demonstrated through their rhetoric their willingness to cause bodily harm and destruction of property. Freedom of speech is a Constitutionally guaranteed right, but breaking the law and encouraging violence is not. To that end, Federal District Judge Harold Kanazawa has signed an arrest warrant for NLP chief Rosenberg for inciting violence across interstate boundaries and other terrorism charges.

Also, I have taken the initiative in inviting the gentleman Speaker to the White House to discuss the recently exposed situation in Egypt, which, as you know, has been using covert methods to fund enemies in Somalia who have expressed willingness to cause harm to the United States. The ramifications that the Egyptians will face are, I assure you, going to be swift and just. We are going to demonstrate what happens when you betray the good faith and abuse the good will of the United States of America.

In conclusion, I encourage all Americans to keep our friends in Russia in their thoughts as they suffer enormous hardships in these trying times.

Thank you.

President Beasley

[RGacky3]

OCC: We should also have other leader,s corporate leaders, big banks, maybe a union leader or 2, leaders of industry and so on (to e realistic we need corporate pressure).

[ryacku]

OOC: Don't worry. I'll simulate those.
In any case, please post here any approval of any bills, or post or PM me any actions. Because I'm doing the next turn in six to eight hours.

[tachosomoza]

Press Release from the Office of Conrad Bingaman



In other news, I will be proposing a sweeping revision of the tax code, one which will greatly increase taxes on the top 2%, the liberal elite, while significantly reducing them for the rest of the nation. Income taxes on top earners will be raised to 50% while the great majority of Americans will experience tax relief. It will also cut all loopholes which allow American owned and operated corporations from escaping our tax laws. It will forbid these corporations from attempting to flee this country with their wealth stolen from the American people to pay off their big European liberal banker elite.


White House Press Office: The President has expressed his support for the revisions of the tax code.

[tachosomoza]

White House Press Release: President Beasley to travel to New Orleans to offer city administration federal support in combating violent drug gangs.

[Die Rote Fahne]

White House Press Release: President Beasley to travel to New Orleans to offer city administration federal support in combating violent drug gangs.

Better idea, decriminalize all drugs. It's a choice people should be allowed to make themselves. This government wastes billions in it's wasteful "war on drugs".

[tachosomoza]

Better idea, decriminalize all drugs. It's a choice people should be allowed to make themselves. This government wastes billions in it's wasteful "war on drugs".

Thanks for the statement from jail. :lol:

[Welshy]

The CPA(ML) believes that the only way to end this drug related violence is to end the war on drugs! Prohibition caused the rise of the mobs who made money off of illegal alcohol production and sales. It also clogs our prisons with people who should be receiving treatment and it disproportionately attacks minority groups. Legalize marijuana and other lesser drugs, and decriminalize the usage of hardcore with a focus on treatment of addiction rather than punishment!

Leon Maciejewski, General Secretary of the CPA(ML)

[Die Rote Fahne]

Thanks for the statement from jail. :lol:
I didn't know I was in jail. Just thought I was being monitored.

But, seeing as I've done nothing wrong, I'll be taking the government to court, and seeking damages.

[tachosomoza]

White House Press Office: President Beasley has directed the DEA to shift focus away from marijuana and to focus on combating the large scale production and trafficking of harder drugs such as methamphetamine and crack cocaine. Also, he has taken the initiative to support the introduction of a bill before Congress that establishes a federal program that will allow first time "hard" drug possession and small time distribution offenders to serve their sentences under community supervision, and to provide increased federal funding for drug rehabilitation programs. An unnamed source says that the President is weighing proposing a bill to decriminalize marijuana possession and cultivation for personal use.

[Welshy]

OCC: Wow you have got to be the most liberal conservative president, I have seen.

[tachosomoza]

OCC: Wow you have got to be the most liberal conservative president, I have seen.

OCC: I know. Maybe we should hand the chair to one of the trolls. :lol:

[Welshy]

OCC: Or maybe you should do some trollish flipflopping. Think, what would Ronald Reagan do?

[tachosomoza]

OCC: Or maybe you should do some trollish flipflopping. Think, what would Ronald Reagan do?

OCC: Whatever the astrologer told him to. :cool: I'd like to think I'm what Ahnuld would be like if he was allowed to be President. Also, a congressperson is gonna have to propose that drug bill.

[ryacku]

Q2 2013

Supreme Court: 1 Highly Conservative, 4 Conservative, & 4 Liberal Justices.

President: James V. Beasley, First Term, United Party (tachosomoza)
Vice President: George Hobart, United Party (xub3rn00dlex)

2013 Budget Report Revised (https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1q-tqSWIphoNBp9anhn8rI6dCEBCkd0v-YfLVZhYThCI)

Approval Rating: ~45%

Political Parties:

United Party:
-Senate: 50 Seats
-House: 219 seats
-Notable Politicians: Senate Majority Leader (AZ): Conrad Bingaman (theblitz), Speaker of the House (TX): John Rayburn (cu247)

Liberty Party
-Senate: 50 Seats
-House: 214 seats
-Notable Politicians: Senate Minority Leader (NY): Rod Abrams (RGacky), Senator (MA): Greg Kariotis (Metacomet), Senator (MI): Joseph Myers (Bardo)

Communist Party of America (Marxist-Leninist)
-Senate: 0 Seats
-House: 0 Seats
Notable Politicians: Party Leader (CA): Leon Maciejewski (TheRedWolverine), Mayor of Detroit: Isaac Greensberg (Leftie), Rear-Admiral (RET): Gregory Schultz (Impulse97)

Other Notable Peoples: Prisoner: Michael Rosenberg (Hailtothethief), Prisoner: Joe Maccali (ICanHazClassWar?)

News Items
-The United Party is dividing into two factions due to internal disagreements with the radical policy of the party's leadership. There are rumors that the United Party may split.
-The Central African Republic collapses into civil war after a failed coup attempt.
-Taxes are raised on the top 2% to 50%, raking in around 500 billion dollars.
-A few butlers and maids have been laid off as the richest of the rich must make do with less.
-India is beset with rising guerrilla warfare in it's northeast tribal regions, and rising tensions in Kashmir.
-Bangladesh has received military aid and training from China.
-Bangladesh has begun nationalizing the properties of Hindus.
-Russia showcases the advanced T-95 tank as it rolls off the production lines into it's armor divisions.
-The courts rule against the New Libertarian appeals, noting that incitement to violence is illegal. Members of the New Libertarian Party await trial.
-The US President has decided to meet with the Speaker of the House on the subject of Egyptian aid to Somali rebels, and with the Mayor of New Orleans in directing anti-gang operations.
-Saturday Night Live has parodied the President's actions as a kid who needs to be lead by the big politicians in big matters, and finally goes down to play with his model city, labeled "New Orleans".
-Teacher's unions hold a march in Washington to reverse cutbacks and layoffs.
-There has been a high-profile drive-by shooting in the poorer section of Washington, D.C. What is even more alarming is that it happened even though submachine guns are banned...

[Welshy]

The CPA(ML) stands in solidarity with the Teachers' Union in their struggle against cuts and lay offs. These attacks on education are anti-worker class measures and the CPA(ML) will stand strong against these cuts and any other cuts on programs that benefit working class of this country! The CPA(ML)'s newly founded Youth organization will be holding rallies against cuts to education and other anti-working class cuts at all universities that they have a presence.

Leon Maciejewski, General Secretary of the CPA(ML)

[Metacomet]

I stand with the union members and our nation's educators. Nothing is more important to our future then education. A strong education system made us what we are, and a strong education system will allow us to continue to keep our place in the world. These cuts are an unnecessary political, union busting move. My constituents are with the teachers. And I urge my fellow Senators and Representatives to do the same.

Senator Greg Kariotis

[tachosomoza]

White House Press Office: President Beasley calls teacher layoffs and cutbacks shameful, urges states to "get their priorities in order".

[Bardo]

From the desk of Sen. Joseph Myers (LP-MI):

These attacks on public education will accomplish nothing but a hindrance to American success in the future. This country will not be able to keep up with the competative nature of the 21st century job market without a deep commitment to our education system. In order to ensure quality and available education for our citizens, we must reappraise our budgetory priorities. Defense spending is entirely out of control. Medicare and medicaid are very expensive programs which would be obsolete under a universal health care system. Having acknowledged our current financial woes, I am promising to never vote for a bill that would defund our already underfunded education system.

[Die Rote Fahne]

I await my trial, and though I expect to be thrown behind bars for some time, I will never give up on getting out...this government is shameful...though, I will submit my plea now:

Guilty for inciting violence and not guilty on charges of terrorism...lock me up...do your worst!

Michael Rosenberg, former head of the, now defunct, New Libertarian Party.

[tachosomoza]

I await my trial, and though I expect to be thrown behind bars for some time, I will never give up on getting out...this government is shameful...though, I will submit my plea now.

Guilty...lock me up...do your worst!

Michael Rosenberg, former head of the, now defunct, New Libertarian Party.

US Department of Justice: Rosenberg sentenced to 8 years in Federal Prison after pleading guilty to Domestic terrorism charges. Let this be a message to all who seek to use violence to silence those with whom they disagree.

[Die Rote Fahne]

US Department of Justice: Rosenberg sentenced to 8 years in Federal Prison after pleading guilty to Domestic terrorism charges. Let this be a message to all who seek to use violence to silence those with whom they disagree.
OOC: 8 years for inciting violence? Not domestic terrorism charges.

Come on bro, I even pleaded guilty...

2 years max, I want to play this game again...meh...I'll see how it goes...even if it's 8 years, Ill be back to play this game.

[tachosomoza]

ooc: 8 years for inciting violence? Not domestic terrorism charges.

Come on bro, i even pleaded guilty...

2 years max, i want to play this game again...meh...i'll see how it goes...even if it's 8 years, ill be back to play this game.

ooc:
title 22, chapter 38 of the united states code (regarding the department of state) contains a definition of terrorism in its requirement that annual country reports on terrorism be submitted by the secretary of state to congress every year. It reads:
"definitions ... The term 'terrorism' means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;"


The decision stands. 8 years is suitable for his role in the organization. Whine, and he'll get more.

[Die Rote Fahne]

ooc:

The decision stands. 8 years is suitable for his role in the organization. Whine, and he'll get more.
OOC: whine and i'll get more? This is a game right? Don't take this so seriously.

IC: Also, I didn't participate or plan or perpetrate any violence, including politically motivated.

My statement says to "out" people, not to attack them. I would take inciting violence, even though I didn't actually.

I will also cite Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 US 444 (1969)

I did not incite others into lawless action, I merely urged followers to inform the NLP of communists and communist activity. I am not responsible for any violence called by another person, regardless of affiliation in an organization.

[tachosomoza]

OOC: whine and i'll get more? This is a game right? Don't take this so seriously.

Also, I didn't participate or plan or perpetrate any violence, including politically motivated.

My statement says to "out" people, not to attack them. I would take inciting violence, even though I didn't actually.

OOC: 15 years. :lol:

Seriously, I think your guy is fucked under the imminent lawless action thing.

IC: USDOJ: Federal appeals judge lessens sentence for NLP leader Rosenberg to 4 years for inciting violence. Maccali found guilty of conspiracy to incite violence, receives 2 years probation due to lesser role in organization.

[Die Rote Fahne]

OOC: 15 years. :lol:

OC: Federal appeals judge lessens sentence for NLP leader Rosenberg to 4 years for inciting violence.
OOC: lolz, that'd be rough...(i'll post again in this thread when I am released from prison, or ill try for early release after 2-3 years).

IC: I accept this sentencing, and I will continue my work of promoting a free market, and ensuring the private property rights of this nation, even behind bars. This Stalinist regime will fall one day!

[tachosomoza]

White House Press Office: President Beasley orders troops to Bangladesh to reinstore democracy to the nation and cease the unlawful arrests and slaughter of Hindu citizens.

[RGacky3]

Rob Abrams has announced plans to travel to Washington to meet and greet with the teachers on strike, and will meet with union leaders as well as state leaders to try and bring favorable results.

While now putting foward legislation to to stop cuts to education in the states by providing federal funds to states that increase education spending and invest in education more in poor areas.

Bangladeshi actoin:

If a vote comes to the senate to fund interention in Bangladesh, we will not vote for it, this is playing world police and the American people do not want to loose lives for something that does not affect them.

[the Left™]

IC:

I demand that this corrupt bureaucratic legal system press charges fairly instead of using broad terminology to target political enemies. The constitution is on my side. I have merely incited people to look deep into themselves and friends and expose the communist seditionists within our own country! You should be thanking me instead of imprisoning me on such wafer-thin charges!

OOC: nvm. 2 years :S

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OOC: lolz, that'd be rough...(i'll post again in this thread when I am released from prison, or ill try for early release after 2-3 years).

IC: I accept this sentencing, and I will continue my work of promoting a free market, and ensuring the private property rights of this nation, even behind bars. This Stalinist regime will fall one day!
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[Die Rote Fahne]

IC:

I demand that this corrupt bureaucratic legal system press charges fairly instead of using broad terminology to target political enemies. The constitution is on my side. I have merely incited people to look deep into themselves and friends and expose the communist seditionists within our own country! You should be thanking me instead of imprisoning me on such wafer-thin charges!

OOC: nvm. 2 years :S

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i lol'd

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Lol , and more lol at xzibit.

[tachosomoza]

Bangladeshi actoin:

If a vote comes to the senate to fund interention in Bangladesh, we will not vote for it, this is playing world police and the American people do not want to loose lives for something that does not affect them.

White House Press Office: President Beasley has stated that totalitarian regimes that steal from and murder innocents solely because of their choice of faith will not be tolerated. Oppression is oppression, regardless of who is the victim. He stands behind his decision to send troops to Bangladesh.

[RGacky3]

The American people did not vote for being the worlds schoolyard bully, the American people did'nt vote for wasting funds, and more importantly American lives on trying to play world police.

If a vote comes to the senate for funds, it won't pass.

[Bardo]

These actions in Bangladesh are just another shining example of our nation's misplaced priorities. If oppression is oppression then who are we to dictate the economic policy of this foreign land while putting time, resources, and American lives at risk?

I demand the withdrawl of our troops from Bangladesh and I ask of the president to consider public opinion on the matter.

[cu247]

(sorry, I was out of town for the week-end, but now the united party speaker of the house is ready to participate)

On a televised interview on CNN:

Anchor: What is your opinion on the recent dividing of the united party?
John Rayburn: Even though I often disagree with the president's decisions, I think the united party is still strong and united and that the many faces of the right wing will continue to exist under the same banner. Together we must fight the increasingly socialist ideas of the liberty party and the best way to do so is to be loyal to our president Mr. Beasley

[Metacomet]

(Speaking outside his D.C home)

I have been following the situation in Bangladesh closely, I have been in touch with my colleagues in congress and in the state department, and our intervention is totally uncalled for. The situation is fluid, and does not necessarily call for American men and women to be put in danger, not to mention the financial cost of such an intervention. There are other avenues in which to address the serious human rights issues going on in Bangladesh. I will fully support a U.N resolution, but not a unilateral intervention. We have been down this road before, with disastrous results.

(on the education issue)

I will fully support any legislation that supports education funding, particularly in our poorest states and cities. I am on my way now to meeting with the teachers and the union leaders. And I am proud to stand with them, and the people of my state stand with them

[xub3rn00dlex]

Press Release: Vice President Hobart will be touring the nations prisons to raise awareness of the conditions surrounding prisons and to shine light on a broken system. He will be making personal visits to the recently jailed members of the NLP.

[tachosomoza]

(Speaking outside his D.C home)

I have been following the situation in Bangladesh closely, I have been in touch with my colleagues in congress and in the state department, and our intervention is totally uncalled for. The situation is fluid, and does not necessarily call for American men and women to be put in danger, not to mention the financial cost of such an intervention. There are other avenues in which to address the serious human rights issues going on in Bangladesh. I will fully support a U.N resolution, but not a unilateral intervention. We have been down this road before, with disastrous results.

(on the education issue)

I will fully support any legislation that supports education funding, particularly in our poorest states and cities. I am on my way now to meeting with the teachers and the union leaders. And I am proud to stand with them, and the people of my state stand with them

White House: President Beasley will stand by his decision to take unilateral action in Bangladesh due to the urgency of the situation. We will not sit back and wait for the international community to offer humanitarian support. If the action hadn't been taken, more and more innocents would have had their lives ruined, if not taken. Also, the President will sign any legislation that extends increased funding to the poorest states and cities, but also has announced support for private charter schools and vouchers as well to keep spending down in light of our already bloated federal budget. Giving all of America's children an equal chance to succeed is at the top of the President's agenda, but keeping spending to reasonable levels is there as well.

[RGacky3]

2 Bills up for a Vote

1. Increase the education budget by 4 billion, having the money going to largely to low income areas, such as the south, rural midwest, and the inner cities. All the money going to public schools.

2. No Money will go to intervention in Bangladesh.

[ryacku]

White House: President Beasley will stand by his decision to take unilateral action in Bangladesh due to the urgency of the situation. We will not sit back and wait for the international community to offer humanitarian support. If the action hadn't been taken, more and more innocents would have had their lives ruined, if not taken. Also, the President will sign any legislation that extends increased funding to the poorest states and cities, but also has announced support for private charter schools and vouchers as well to keep spending down in light of our already bloated federal budget. Giving all of America's children an equal chance to succeed is at the top of the President's agenda, but keeping spending to reasonable levels is there as well.
Advisors: You know there is such a thing as a UN.

[tachosomoza]

Advisors: You know there is such a thing as a UN.

President: Well, I'll talk to them, but I want this be a joint effort for the first few months. Those third world bastards are as crooked as Clinton's dick. I still remember that hooker thing from Ethiopia. I'm not pulling troops from Bangladesh until I'm satisfied that they can be trusted to distribute supplies like they're supposed to.

OCC: Does that sound conservativey enough? :lol:

[Bardo]

2 Bills up for a Vote

2. No Money will go to intervention in Bangladesh.

Supported.



1. Increase the education budget by 4 billion, having the money going to largely to low income areas, such as the south, rural midwest, and the inner cities. All the money going to public schools.


I'd like to add an amendment to this stating that public universities and colleges will recieve extra funds on the condition that they lower tuition rates in order to make higher education more accessible to lower income students while lessening the need for expensive loans and personal debt.

[RGacky3]

Ammendment Accepted.

[Die Rote Fahne]

Letter from Michael Rosenberg to all media outlets and former NLP members.

Dear Friends,

I address you from behind bars, a place I never thought I would land, especially for something I did not do. It is a homage to the corrupt nature of this government of imperialists and big government whores. I am told by the warden that VP Hobart wishes to pay me a visit, I refuse to speak with him, or any of his representatives. If he wishes to speak to me, he will first see my release from prison.

When I am free, I will take this nation back to it's roots, to the constitution, and to true capitalism. Eliminating taxes, wasteful spending, bureaucracy and big government nonsense.

Stay safe America, God bless you all,

Michael Rosenberg

[Die Rote Fahne]

Ooc: bump for new turn

[xub3rn00dlex]

Press Release: Vice President Hobart is rejected an audience with jailed NLP members, and vows to try again at the end of the tour. Hobart publicly states his trip is changing his views on the justice system, and will fight for changes in order to reduce criminalization for minor crimes. Hobart also announces he will be speaking with the president in private about the NLP detainees.



Ooc: bump for new turn

OOC: I second that.

[tachosomoza]

White House: President intends to veto legislation aimed at cutting Bangladesh funds, also announces support for education bill.

[ryacku]

Q3 2013

Supreme Court: 1 Highly Conservative, 4 Conservative, & 4 Liberal Justices.

President: James V. Beasley, First Term, United Party (tachosomoza)
Vice President: George Hobart, United Party (xub3rn00dlex)

Approval Rating: ~25%

2013 Budget Report Revised (https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1q-tqSWIphoNBp9anhn8rI6dCEBCkd0v-YfLVZhYThCI)

Political Parties:

United Party:
-Senate: 27 Seats
-House: 125 seats
-Notable Politicians: Senate Minority Leader (AZ): Conrad Bingaman (theblitz), Speaker of the House (TX): John Rayburn (cu247)

All-American Party
-Senate: 23 seats
-House: 94 seats
-Notable Politicians: Senate Minority Leader (UT): Richard Franklin (No Player)

Liberty Party
-Senate: 49 Seats
-House: 214 seats
-Notable Politicians: Senate Majority Leader (NY): Rod Abrams (RGacky), Senator (MA): Greg Kariotis (Metacomet), Senator (MI): Joseph Myers (Bardo)

Communist Party of America (Marxist-Leninist)
-Senate: 0 Seats
-House: 0 Seats
Notable Politicians: Party Leader (CA): Leon Maciejewski (TheRedWolverine), Mayor of Detroit: Isaac Greensberg (Leftie), Rear-Admiral (RET): Gregory Schultz (Impulse97)

Other Notable Peoples: Prisoner: Michael Rosenberg (Hailtothethief), Prisoner: Joe Maccali (ICanHazClassWar?)

Foreign News Headlines
-Nazi coup in Mongolia. Foreigners are being harassed or exiled. Widespread violence against resident Chinese. Russia and China vow intervention.
-Pakistan and China launch a simultaneous invasion of India after border tensions break into all-out war. The war between the three nuclear armed states may end disastrously.
-Investors pull out of China in response to China’s aggressive foreign policy stance, and in response to the Chinese government’s centralization of much of the national economy.
-Indian citizens lobby their respective representatives to place sanctions on China. There is widespread condemnation of China’s policies.
-Another military coup in Fiji, this time the new junta pledges to restore democratic rule.

Domestic News
-Due to the income tax increases, the economy slows down slightly.
-The US military refuses to obey the President’s order in invading Bangladesh. Noting that invading a country of a hundred million without an adequate buildup, deployment, congressional support, international support, domestic support, a decent transition plan, or even funding, that such an operation is doomed to failure from the very beginning.
-Berkley university students storm the campus’s administration building to protest shortages of classes.
-Congress authorizes nearly four billion dollars to poor public schools. They repaint the buildings and fix some of the bathrooms. The rest of the money goes to complying universities who agree to lower tuition, however they also cut back on financial aid, harming low-income students.
-The United Party splits, with dozens of defections from the United Party to the newly formed conservative American Party. Many more defections are expected.
-Liberty Party senator (IL) Joseph Wienis dies from a fatal heart attack due to an ill-advised mix of nitrates and male enhancement drugs, the latter bought illegally over the internet. It is expected that the Illinois governor will appoint an American Party senator in a few months.
-A leak within the US government reveals that the President had put direct pressure on the Judges overseeing the Libertarian cases. Michael Rosenberg’s lawyer calls for a retrial, while some senators begin calling for impeachment.
-A nuclear energy advocacy group begins television advertisements, alerting the public to the dangers of coal energy, noting that coal plants release far more radiation then nuclear plants, and that nuclear energy requires uranium from Canada and Australia as opposed to oil from Venezuela and Iran.
-The tobacco industry secretly lobbies for the legalization of marijuana, with the condition that the regulations for growing it are so complex that only major corporations could possibly farm it.

[Semi-Secret]
-The CIA estimates a 64% chance that an invasion of Mongolia is imminent, and cites military maneuvers near the Mongolian border by China and Russia. But the CIA is not certain.

[tachosomoza]

OOC: You're doing it wrong, the military can't disobey the President. He's the Commander in Chief.

[RGacky3]

White House: President intends to veto legislation aimed at cutting Bangladesh funds

OOC: YOu can't veto that, you don't HAVE funds until congress approves it, you have to ask US first, then we'll say no, you can't veto that unless we say yes.
ALso, yeah, the military can't really not obay the president.

[the Left™]

ooc: we need an assange type character who spearheaded this probe into foul play for the rosenberg and maccali inditements

[RGacky3]

occ: China and Pakistan invading India, and China and russia invading Mongolia, are HIGHLY unlikely without huge buildup, btw, how do you lobby for finances?

[ryacku]

OOC: You're doing it wrong, the military can't disobey the President. He's the Commander in Chief.
Feel free to initiate court-marshal proceedings against your commanding officers.

Patton disobeyed a few orders. So did other US generals. Depends on the percieved lawfulness on the orders, feasiblity, etc....

I suppose it's best to say that you're ignorant of military law.


occ: China and Pakistan invading India, and China and russia invading Mongolia, are HIGHLY unlikely without huge buildup, btw, how do you lobby for finances?
Wars have happenend without large buildups, or with concealed buildups. Or an accident spiraling out of control.

Because invading Mongolia requires alot of manpower? Doubt it.

Lobby for finances? You mean request campaign contributions from lobbyists? If you mean that, then whenever you engage in an action that supports or agrees with the aims of big industry, big unions, or simply rich people, then you'll recieve imaginary campaign contributions come election time.

[tachosomoza]

White House: President initiates court martial against Rogue generals, expresses acquiescence on Bangladesh, calls for international action from UN. Also, closes embassy in Mingolia after fascist takeover.

[tachosomoza]

OOC: YOu can't veto that, you don't HAVE funds until congress approves it, you have to ask US first, then we'll say no, you can't veto that unless we say yes.
ALso, yeah, the military can't really not obay the president.

OOC: well excuse me for forgetting shit I stopped caring about in 1996.

[xub3rn00dlex]

Press release: VP Hobart, halfway through his prison tour, brings christian missionaries into jails to preach more often to the "lost souls" in prison. VP Hobart hopes this will better the living conditions of inmates and "raise their spirits."

[Bardo]

OOC: So is this done?

[Die Rote Fahne]

Probably. I'd like to see it continue though...something to drag us through til "Katanga" come back.

[ryacku]

We kinda ran out of active players. Need more players to do anything. I might reboot the game considering that half of all major positions aren't being played.

[cu247]

:( It's true we need more players.

[Le Socialiste]

Probably. I'd like to see it continue though...something to drag us through til "Katanga" come back.


Hey guys, I have a suggestion: if this game doesn't get anymore interest/players, might I offer a new game surrounding Civil War-era Spain? There's plenty of potential there, and quite a few parties/players - socialists, communists, anarchists, nationalists, fascists, etc. etc. I don't know, just something I thought would be interesting. Just a thought. :)

[cu247]

I would love to. But I won't chip in that one. I don't know nearly enough about the spanish civil war. The American Politics one is more accessible for me and I think the idea was quite good. We could try to revive it perhaps?

[tachosomoza]

I can multitask. :D

[Metacomet]

I'm sorta just..........waiting. I think a game like this doesn't work as well as some of the other ones.