Marriage

[miltonwasfried...man]

What are your views on marriage? Is it an expression of love or unnecessary? Societal norm or oppressive economic partnership? I am all for a life long committed relationship but a "marriage license" seems a bit artificial.

[Ocean Seal]

What are your views on marriage? Is it an expression of love or unnecessary? Societal norm or oppressive economic partnership? I am all for a life long committed relationship but a "marriage license" seems a bit artificial.
Some of your terms aren't really mutually exclusive.


Is it an expression of love or unnecessary?
Both


Societal norm or oppressive economic partnership?
Sometimes a societal norm and sometimes an oppressive economic partership.

Marriage licenses are artificial, but they make raising a family easier for the majority of working class people as families share benefits and other stuff.

I guess that's really my two cents.

[Dr Mindbender]

What are your views on marriage? Is it an expression of love or unnecessary? Societal norm or oppressive economic partnership? I am all for a life long committed relationship but a "marriage license" seems a bit artificial.

I am in the minority on this forum because i am actually 'pro-marriage', so to speak. Just not in the conservative context.

My belief is you need to have a benchmark for what is a legally bona fide relationship and marriage suits that purpose well.

The reason is simple. You want to be able to enter a relationship knowing full well what are the consequences of seperation in terms of both assets and child custody.

Otherwise how do you define a relationship in the eyes of the law? Does a one night stand constitute a relationship? I do not want to go to bed with a stranger and find out the next day i owe them half of all my assets.

[Lobotomy]

Aside from its brutally oppressive history, I think marriage serves a purpose. In a post capitalist society it probably wouldn't be as prevalent, but who knows.

[tbasherizer]

I don't think I'll get married, unless the state of my day incentivizes it. Marriage, in the end, really only is a piece of paper. Besides, the whole thing is just an abstraction made to ensure the monogamy of women. It's hardly an honour to make the woman in my life take part in what is essentially a pre-feudal holdover from slave society.

[Dr Mindbender]

I don't think I'll get married, unless the state of my day incentivizes it.
You say that now. You might become hopelessly besotted with someone who insists you marry them. Your attitudes may change. The passage of time can do a lot of things.


Marriage, in the end, really only is a piece of paper.

I'm pretty sure its not, for the reasons i've stated.

Its a commitment to the state, your partner and witnesses that you will love and cherish someone and a contract that they will own half of your worldly possessions if the relationship goes pear shaped.

Moreover marriage can effect other issues, such as your tax obligations, your welfare rights and even in some cases the nationality of your children.



Besides, the whole thing is just an abstraction made to ensure the monogamy of women.
Nah mate, it cuts both ways.

[CommieTroll]

Marriage really goes against human nature, we're really only here to reproduce

[Kamos]

Marriage doesn't matter. Two people can live together if they want without getting married. The current importance of it is tied to two things: capitalism and (Abrahamic) religion - neither of which are progressive, to say the least.

[Per Levy]

Marriage doesn't matter. Two people can live together if they want without getting married. The current importance of it is tied to two things: capitalism and (Abrahamic) religion - neither of which are progressive, to say the least.

or maybe because 2 people decided that they want to get married out of love, a lot people do because out of love, not because of the benefits it might bring nor out of religion.

[Per Levy]

I don't think I'll get married, unless the state of my day incentivizes it.

i said that once as well, then i fell in love with a wonderful woman and now we want to get married. it happens, maybe to you too^^.

[Dr Mindbender]

Why do i bother posting, nobody ever reads them.

[Game Girl]

My parents aren't married and after 26 years, they are still in love. Besides, after living together for a few years, they were eventually considered legally "married".

[caramelpence]

I used to take what I saw as a "radical" stance of opposing marriage, but now, at the age of 21, I expect to get married in the future, though probably not before my late 20s or early 30s. As patronizing as this can sound, I think many younger comrades will change their minds. I don't think marriage is a "natural" institution but nor do I think that it's "natural" for humans to constantly change partners - ultimately, different things work for different people, and we should expect a socialist society to accept and promote a diverse range of romantic arrangements that can cater for the full diversity of human wants and desires, whether that means two people being life partners and not ever getting married, or people rejecting monogamy and only having relatively brief relationships. I do think that part of the appeal of marriage is that it involves a public declaration of love, though it's also entirely possible for life partners to do something similar without the legal consequences.

[Octavian]

I oppose marriage and the modern relationship. Both cause the alienation of the sexes from each other causing strife and emotional hardship with the former on the decline. People want to get married because they see it as a form of structure to their relationship but if your relationship is really that strong do you really need government sanctioned structure?

[Robocommie]

I always love how seriously leftists can take themselves, feeling it necessary to take an official position on god-damn everything, always going on about what they oppose or what social behavior they feel is natural or right or progressive or reactionary.

Meanwhile, most people just live their damn lives.

I guess what I'm trying to say, is that I oppose both marriage and sexual reproduction.

[Decolonize The Left]

What are your views on marriage? Is it an expression of love or unnecessary? Societal norm or oppressive economic partnership? I am all for a life long committed relationship but a "marriage license" seems a bit artificial.

Marriage is a religious institution. A civil union is a marriage without the religious context, i.e. a union of two people ratified by the state for economic purposes.

So I think marriage should be an optional title which can be added to a union if the couple desires a religious context. Same goes for any other title you want added for whatever reason.

As for unions themselves, within the current socio-political context I think they are important for tax reasons and financial stability. But as a whole I don't think they're necessary at all.

- August

[Jimmie Higgins]

You say that now. You might become hopelessly besotted with someone who insists you marry them. Your attitudes may change. The passage of time can do a lot of things.That's what happened to me. I still think it's an un-necessary social ritual, but so is prom and as stupid as the pressures put on proms are, it's still fun to dance and get drunk... especially when a school or someone else's parents are paying for it :D

[Lobotomy]

... I oppose both marriage and sexual reproduction.

Wait, what?

[Dunk]

I may or may not get married. It depends if my girlfriend and I can get good, sustainable work, and if I stop caring that it's like joining a big "straights only" club.

[Kamos]

or maybe because 2 people decided that they want to get married out of love, a lot people do because out of love, not because of the benefits it might bring nor out of religion.

There is no need to get married out of love. It doesn't enhance your relationship. Lots of people live together without getting married, even straight people.


I always love how seriously leftists can take themselves, feeling it necessary to take an official position on god-damn everything, always going on about what they oppose or what social behavior they feel is natural or right or progressive or reactionary.

Are leftists supposed to not take themselves seriously? Because if so, then I was living under the misguided notion that we actually do want to change our society. My mistake. After all, that would apply to the little details as well.

[Red_Devotchka]

sure when its up to bureaucracy it's easier to live together married, but it's kinda conformist and unnnecessary. I doubt i'll ever get married.

[Aeval]

I used to be dead against marriage but now I don't care either way - it's nice to have a big party with your friends and family to celebrate that you love someone, and sure, you could have the party without signing the paper, it doesn't really matter if they do though.

It is beneficial for some people to get married though, especially if one of them is from another country or one or the other is planning on being a stay at home parent. I'd happily marry someone so that they'd be allowed to settle in the UK :)

[Robocommie]

Wait, what?

Read the first part of my post, I'm being sarcastic. :D


Are leftists supposed to not take themselves seriously? Because if so, then I was living under the misguided notion that we actually do want to change our society. My mistake. After all, that would apply to the little details as well.

I think a lot of leftists overextend themselves to such an extent that it becomes incredibly pretentious, yes. People rattle off their opinions about every single facet of human existence and whether it's progressive or reactionary, or good or bad, and so forth, acting like a bunch of extremely judgmental know-it-alls.