RACE RELATIONS!!!!

[Lardlad95]

1. Black People don't have it as bad as Black people make it out to seem

2. Black people don't have it as good as White people make it out to seem

3. Historically Europeans have done horrible things to none-european countries(America included)

4. These atrocities are in the past, they must be remembered but aren't an excuse to complain.

5. These atrocities are however Valid points to bring up in arguementation as well as being a reason for minority anger.

6. Minority anger should not take the form of violence or reverse racism, they should however be a motivation for change.

7. Affirmative action shouldn't be around forever

8. Affirmative action is however needed at this point in time

9. Affirmative action in Colleges should be eventually phased out

10. To replace affirmative action we must help inner city schools, the point is to break the cycle not perpetuate it

11. Welfare in america is run wrong and should be abandoned

12. Welfare money should be spent to help get people jobs instead of keeping them unemployed and paid.

13. White people need to realize that minorities do have a right to be angry

14. Minorities need to realize they can't blame whites for everything

15. White people need to realize that the Minorities aren't taking over the country, whites still run it for the most part

16. Minorities need to start trying to gain more power in the nation

17. Whites need to realize that they have it better off (for the most part) than minorities in this country

18. Minorities need to stop the culture of anti intellectualism

19. Whites need to stop saying nigger

20. Blacks need to stop saying nigga

21. Everyone needs to stop using racial slurs

22. Whites need to realize that race isn't something to Joke about

23. Blacks need to stop joking about other races if they are going to be upset when whites do it to them

24. Whites need to stop running this white flight crap

25. Minorities need to stop letting whites by their houses cheap and sell them for more(come on guys, it isn't the white guys fault, they have every right to do this)

26. Whites need to stop mocking blacks by acting in a stereotypical black manner

27. minorities need to stop acting in stereotypical roles

28. Whites need to view minorities as equals(and I don't mean just when you are around minorities)

29. Minorities need to stop seeing white people as the eternal enemy

30. We all need to get along

[Rastafari]

Unfortunately, all of these things have been said before:
Crisis in Black and White, Charles E. Silberman
Published by Random House, 1964

the problem is, most people aren't listening

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2003, 11:12 PM
Unfortunately, all of these things have been said before:
Crisis in Black and White, Charles E. Silberman
Published by Random House, 1964

the problem is, most people aren't listening
STOP UNDERMINING ME!!!!

Yeah I know I"m not the first to say it...it's just that white people and blacks need to quit complaining, they complain about different things but they are both bullshit

[Unrelenting Steve]

Did you do that out of your head or copy paste it? Its very good.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by Unrelenting [email protected] 6 2003, 11:26 PM
Did you do that out of your head or copy paste it? Its very good.
Top of my head.

Over the years I've observed lots of rhetoric, and action, and ideas.

Now I'm a liberal, I'm a socialist, and my family is generally to the left.

However we are also very real, and talking with my family(extended and immediate) I've gotten to see these arguements from a black perspective, but form an imformed black perspective.


Since I'm black it would be logical to assume that I'm going to be all for repirations and crap like that.

However I didn't grow up around blacks, or whites, or hispanics, or asians. I didnt grow up around anyone or any particular group.

So I've gotten to see things from what I believe is about as objective a standpoint as I can

[apathy maybe]

The language post people grow up speaking at home in the USA is now Spainish.

One step on the road to fixing some of the problems in the USA and other countries is compulsary voting.
When everyone has to vote or get fined if they don't then they will vote for people who will help them. Right now only a minority of minorities vote. Mostly it is the WASPs who vote and so they get elected. Even if a black or a Spainish speaker stood for Prez, well they wouldn't get in 'cause people don't vote. That's why pot's still illegeal. The pot heads don't bother voting. At this time, if you don't vote you don't change a thing.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by apathy [email protected] 7 2003, 01:30 AM
The language post people grow up speaking at home in the USA is now Spainish.

One step on the road to fixing some of the problems in the USA and other countries is compulsary voting.
When everyone has to vote or get fined if they don't then they will vote for people who will help them. Right now only a minority of minorities vote. Mostly it is the WASPs who vote and so they get elected. Even if a black or a Spainish speaker stood for Prez, well they wouldn't get in 'cause people don't vote. That's why pot's still illegeal. The pot heads don't bother voting. At this time, if you don't vote you don't change a thing.
I agree

[Rastafari]

makes sense.
But I'd take it one step further and restrict the voting priveledges of people that make over 100,000 dollars a year. Maybe only let them vote for 2 or 3 elections every 4 years. But that is only the idiot in me talking I guess.

but then again...
the more educated people are usually in the higher classes in the current system.

[Guest1]

instead of directly restricting them, make it a 1000 dollar fine. that way, the extremely poor would definitely vote, and the extremely rich won't change the habit :P

[Socialmalfunction]

if you forced people to vote you would have a lot of resentful people voting just to get it out of the way and not paying attention to what they were voting for. this would probably go away once they got used to voting and the habit was reinforced. but in the beginning people that dont want to be in the voting polls would only vote because they were being forced to and that could cause a good lot of damage, especially considering that less than half the population votes (i think that's the number). hmm but i dont know... that could probably be rectified within a few years or less i guess. once people realise that is a bad idea anyway. i can see the fine as turning into something positive in the long run. but where would the fine money go to? i think it should go into either education or medical care.

[Urban Rubble]

I agree with all of them except #22. I think it's fine to joke about race. There are very real differences between cultures, I say joke all you want, just don't be a dick about it.

Has anyone seen Tough Crowd with Collin Quinn ? Most of the people's politics on that show suck, but it's funny. The whites, blacks, latinos and everyone else all make fun of each other, and it's great. I think it's fine, as long as you aren't being sincerely racist.

[Sasafrás]

If I know a white person is not really racist, I don't get offended by their making jokes about blacks. Since I've been in college, I've met a lot of white people, especially gay ones, and we joke incessantly about race, sexuality, and language (dialects). It's cool. I asked the gay guy if he ever watched GI Joe as a kid and when he said no, I said "Of course not, because... you know." He laughed. He always jokes about the "African-American church experience" and "Ebonics" but I never get offended. Hell, it's funny. I think that in many cases, people need to lighten up. It's not that crucial. But, I do, however, get offended by the use of racial and other kinds of negative slurs against others... They're not appropriate.

Otherwise, good deal, Comrade.

Oh, and as far as #27. Yes. Hence my big objection to actors like Martin Lawrence, Chris Rock, Wanda Sykes and damn near every "Kung Fu" or "Karate" star.

[HankMorgan]

Lardlad I like your post and I don't care where it came from.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

White people need to stop saying that minorities are just as racist as whites and that somehow this means that minorities cannot work to end racial segregation

[Chapel]

1. Black People don't have it as bad as Black people make it out to seem

Obviously.

2. Black people don't have it as good as White people make it out to seem

No, they do.

3. Historically Europeans have done horrible things to none-european countries(America included)

So? This world is soaked in blood.

4. These atrocities are in the past, they must be remembered but aren't an excuse to complain.

Agreed.

5. These atrocities are however Valid points to bring up in arguementation as well as being a reason for minority anger.

Doesn't this sort of contradict your previous point?

7. Affirmative action shouldn't be around forever

It shouldn't be around at all.

8. Affirmative action is however needed at this point in time

Not, it isn't. I could care less about the condition of your race, why should I be forced to pay?

9. Affirmative action in Colleges should be eventually phased out

Again, it shouldn't exist at all.

[(*]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2003, 02:59 AM



7. Affirmative action shouldn't be around forever

It shouldn't be around at all.

8. Affirmative action is however needed at this point in time

Not, it isn't. I could care less about the condition of your race, why should I be forced to pay?

9. Affirmative action in Colleges should be eventually phased out

Again, it shouldn't exist at all.


Affirmative action is necessary to right the wrongs of the past.
Minorities were put at a disadvantage by their white oppressors.
Affirmative action will help level the playing field.

[suffianr]

29. Minorities need to stop seeing white people as the eternal enemy

Then white people need to stop referring to them as Minorities in the first place. :o

It's a vicious cycle.

[truthaddict11]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2003, 07:18 AM

29. Minorities need to stop seeing white people as the eternal enemy

Then white people need to stop referring to them as Minorities in the first place. :o

It's a vicious cycle.
minority is a term that refers to a group that is not a majority such as if you were white and you were to go to china. you would be a minority.or the capitalists are a minority on this board , what we need to do is end this stupid classification of "race" of people.

[suffianr]

what we need to do is end this stupid classification of "race" of people.

Exactly!

[Pete]

Affirmative action should be revamped, the way it stands now is no good. Perhaps instead of just race, social class should be examined as well. (Unless things have changed since I have last read up on it)

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2003, 10:58 PM
1. Black People don't have it as bad as Black people make it out to seem

2. Black people don't have it as good as White people make it out to seem

3. Historically Europeans have done horrible things to none-european countries(America included)

4. These atrocities are in the past, they must be remembered but aren't an excuse to complain.

5. These atrocities are however Valid points to bring up in arguementation as well as being a reason for minority anger.

6. Minority anger should not take the form of violence or reverse racism, they should however be a motivation for change.

7. Affirmative action shouldn't be around forever

8. Affirmative action is however needed at this point in time

9. Affirmative action in Colleges should be eventually phased out

10. To replace affirmative action we must help inner city schools, the point is to break the cycle not perpetuate it

11. Welfare in america is run wrong and should be abandoned

12. Welfare money should be spent to help get people jobs instead of keeping them unemployed and paid.

13. White people need to realize that minorities do have a right to be angry

14. Minorities need to realize they can't blame whites for everything

15. White people need to realize that the Minorities aren't taking over the country, whites still run it for the most part

16. Minorities need to start trying to gain more power in the nation

17. Whites need to realize that they have it better off (for the most part) than minorities in this country

18. Minorities need to stop the culture of anti intellectualism

19. Whites need to stop saying nigger

20. Blacks need to stop saying nigga

21. Everyone needs to stop using racial slurs

22. Whites need to realize that race isn't something to Joke about

23. Blacks need to stop joking about other races if they are going to be upset when whites do it to them

24. Whites need to stop running this white flight crap

25. Minorities need to stop letting whites by their houses cheap and sell them for more(come on guys, it isn't the white guys fault, they have every right to do this)

26. Whites need to stop mocking blacks by acting in a stereotypical black manner

27. minorities need to stop acting in stereotypical roles

28. Whites need to view minorities as equals(and I don't mean just when you are around minorities)

29. Minorities need to stop seeing white people as the eternal enemy

30. We all need to get along
Personally I think you are never gonna stop racism with statements like this, and I know that's not exactly what you're trying to do. But to be honest if this is the stuff people "can't" realize, then I most definitly never wanna go to the United States again.

When I hear statements like "whites this....." and "blacks that......" it might aswell be jibberish to me.

Whites? which whites? :huh:

Blacks? which blacks? :huh:

If your talking about say Will Smith's (some randon black rich guy) childeren then garantee you that they are better off than me (alot!).

And what exactly constitutes a "black guy"?

'Cause personally, I don't know about you, but I find it hard to consider Colin Powell anything other than "white".
And I've also heard before that some people in the states consider Latin people to be "black". Which is absolutely rediculous as far as I'm concerned. Because they are just as related to the conquistadors as any "white man" is to "the white man". And look how awesome things are for latin people!

I kind of lost the point I was trying to make. Race is a stupidly touchy subject for some people.

I try the best I can, to not consider "race" period.

What I think every Man and Woman need to realize (race regardless) is that every woman has it way worse off than any man!

[redstar2000]

1. Black People don't have it as bad as Black people make it out to seem

Though it may seem a paradoxical assertion, I think they actually have it worse than they realize.

To come to grips with how harsh reality really is...is not an easy thing for many people to do. For one thing, if you really look reality in the face, then some kind of radical action seems demanded.

Many people in the black community admired Malcolm X (for example)...how many were ready/are ready to walk in his footsteps?


11. Welfare in America is run wrong and should be abandoned

12. Welfare money should be spent to help get people jobs instead of keeping them unemployed and paid.

There are already millions of Americans who can't find work...especially work with any kind of future. Throwing welfare mothers off the rolls will only add to their numbers...and create a generation of under-nourished children. (The majority of them will be white children...just thought I'd throw that in.)


14. Minorities need to realize they can't blame whites for everything

It would be a real step forward if minorities succeeded in figuring out which whites were responsible "for everything".


9. Affirmative action in Colleges should be eventually phased out

It's being abolished now..."too many" minority kids were going to college.


18. Minorities need to stop the culture of anti intellectualism

That "culture" is a creation of the white-owned mass media...and it's done deliberately to keep minorities down.


30. We all need to get along

We need to stop "getting along"...with our real enemies.

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2003, 08:20 PM


30. We all need to get along

We need to stop "getting along"...with our real enemies.

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas
Right on my brother that is exactly what I'm talkin' about.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2003, 06:59 AM
1. Black People don't have it as bad as Black people make it out to seem

Obviously.

2. Black people don't have it as good as White people make it out to seem

No, they do.

3. Historically Europeans have done horrible things to none-european countries(America included)

So? This world is soaked in blood.

4. These atrocities are in the past, they must be remembered but aren't an excuse to complain.

Agreed.

5. These atrocities are however Valid points to bring up in arguementation as well as being a reason for minority anger.

Doesn't this sort of contradict your previous point?

7. Affirmative action shouldn't be around forever

It shouldn't be around at all.

8. Affirmative action is however needed at this point in time

Not, it isn't. I could care less about the condition of your race, why should I be forced to pay?

9. Affirmative action in Colleges should be eventually phased out

Again, it shouldn't exist at all.
>No, they do.<

So blacks are totally the equals of whites socially and economically in this country?

i don&#39;t know where yoou get your facts from but I&#39;m willing to bet they are skewed.

The fact of the matter is minorities don&#39;t get an equal chance in this country.


>So? This world is soaked in blood.<

I really hope this wasn&#39;t an attempt to justify anything


>Doesn&#39;t this sort of contradict your previous point?<

No it doesn&#39;&#39;t contradict it. I said they weren&#39;t reason to complain. Because complaining doesn&#39;t help anyone and it doesn&#39;t change anything.

I do however think anger is perfectly fine, anger at what happened, not at the descendants of the people who did it.

I have a right to be angry about blacks being put in slavery, I do not however have the right to be angry at YOU for blacks being put in slavery.

I also mentioned that anger shouldn&#39;t be directed in any negative ways in the point proceeding the one you quoted.


>It shouldn&#39;t be around at all.<


Aww...are you mad that you have to hire some black guy? Well suck it up, just because you only want to be surrounded by white guys is no reason to discriminate.

Or if you are worried that you will lose out on a job, suck it up, OYU ARE IN THE MAJORITY YOU ARE BOUND TO GET A JOB(provided you keep trying) STATISTICALY THERE IS NO WAY YOU COULDN"T.


>Not, it isn&#39;t. I could care less about the condition of your race, why should I be forced to pay?<

You could care less? Well thats your opinion and you have a right to have it.

However YOU LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES AND IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT"S POLICIES LEAVE, YOU RIGHT WINGERS HAVE TOLD US LEFTISTS TO DO IT FOREVER, SO TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE, THIS IS AMERICA JACK, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT. :D



>Again, it shouldn&#39;t exist at all.<


...Unless you are too stupid to apply to more than one college this shouldn&#39;t apply or even concern you. Minorities Rarely outweigh Whites on college campuses, so calm down you&#39;ll get a spot

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2003, 08:20 PM

1. Black People don&#39;t have it as bad as Black people make it out to seem

Though it may seem a paradoxical assertion, I think they actually have it worse than they realize.

To come to grips with how harsh reality really is...is not an easy thing for many people to do. For one thing, if you really look reality in the face, then some kind of radical action seems demanded.

Many people in the black community admired Malcolm X (for example)...how many were ready/are ready to walk in his footsteps?


11. Welfare in America is run wrong and should be abandoned

12. Welfare money should be spent to help get people jobs instead of keeping them unemployed and paid.

There are already millions of Americans who can&#39;t find work...especially work with any kind of future. Throwing welfare mothers off the rolls will only add to their numbers...and create a generation of under-nourished children. (The majority of them will be white children...just thought I&#39;d throw that in.)


14. Minorities need to realize they can&#39;t blame whites for everything

It would be a real step forward if minorities succeeded in figuring out which whites were responsible "for everything".


9. Affirmative action in Colleges should be eventually phased out

It&#39;s being abolished now..."too many" minority kids were going to college.


18. Minorities need to stop the culture of anti intellectualism

That "culture" is a creation of the white-owned mass media...and it&#39;s done deliberately to keep minorities down.


30. We all need to get along

We need to stop "getting along"...with our real enemies.

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas
>Though it may seem a paradoxical assertion, I think they actually have it worse than they realize.<

No, what they have worse is things they don&#39;t realize they have bad in the first place. We blame things on race that that don&#39;t need to be blamed, and ignore other things that we should be focused on.


>There are already millions of Americans who can&#39;t find work...especially work with any kind of future. Throwing welfare mothers off the rolls will only add to their numbers...and create a generation of under-nourished children. (The majority of them will be white children...just thought I&#39;d throw that in.)<

Thats why I"m suggesting finding these women, and these other unemployed people jobs.

Also the majority the whites have on welfare is dwindling, as whites are alot more likely to get off welfare than blacks.


>It would be a real step forward if minorities succeeded in figuring out which whites were responsible "for everything".<


Yes, that would be nice. But remember minorities are just like everyone else in the world. THey don&#39;t pay long enough attention to politics and news to get all the facts.

I mean the majority of people in the world get half the facts, so this really isn&#39;t the minoritie&#39;s fault, they are just acting like every other human would when they get information on things that affect their lives.


I for one do not hate you Redstar...even though you enslaved my ancestors :D


>It&#39;s being abolished now..."too many" minority kids were going to college.<


I know...whats with these minorities and wanting to "better" themselves...don&#39;t they realize that if they go to college they could...(god forbid) learn????? :o :o :o :D



>That "culture" is a creation of the white-owned mass media...and it&#39;s done deliberately to keep minorities down.<


Yeah but Minorities don&#39;t do anything to help the situation. Once again Minorities are just regular people, and regular people don&#39;t love to gain knowledge.

THe problem arises from the fact that the minorities are already at a disadvantage so this lack of love for learning is hurting them more than it does white people.


>We need to stop "getting along"...with our real enemies.<


My real enemy is the Right, and their eternal quest to destroy all that humanity can potentially achieve.

Whites aren&#39;t my enemy.....people who happen to be white are my enemies, just like some people who happen to be black are my enemies.


So to prove that I hold no ill will for any race, I&#39;m going to marry an asian women, we are going to have kids, I&#39;m going to adopt a little white kid, take in a Hispanic run away teen, and I"m going to live in Brooklyn amongst black peopple. :D


Also...doesn&#39;t everyne wish Brotha Malcolm (X) and Brotha/Comrad Huey (Newton) were still alive?

[Firestorm]

I all into cross cultural marriages....I am as antiracist as they come. Can&#39;t really explain any further....

[Rastafari]

Also...doesn&#39;t everyne wish Brotha Malcolm (X) and Brotha/Comrad Huey (Newton) were still alive?


except for racists, yeah.

[elijahcraig]

Minority anger should not take the form of violence or reverse racism

Liberal trash.


Affirmative action is necessary to right the wrongs of the past.
Minorities were put at a disadvantage by their white oppressors.
Affirmative action will help level the playing field.

To a Marxist, which if I remember right you are not, this is false.

The Capitalist class, repairing wrongs in the past? Dictatorships don’t give handouts, they are only manipulators who manipulate for profit.

…Affirmative Action is an illusion of change.

Any concept of the dictators who operate solely on the motivation of profit acting generously or fairly, is beyond Marxist thought.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2003, 05:16 AM

Minority anger should not take the form of violence or reverse racism

Liberal trash.


Affirmative action is necessary to right the wrongs of the past.
Minorities were put at a disadvantage by their white oppressors.
Affirmative action will help level the playing field.

To a Marxist, which if I remember right you are not, this is false.

The Capitalist class, repairing wrongs in the past? Dictatorships don’t give handouts, they are only manipulators who manipulate for profit.

…Affirmative Action is an illusion of change.

Any concept of the dictators who operate solely on the motivation of profit acting generously or fairly, is beyond Marxist thought.
First of all, before you go off shooting at the mouth, you need to realize that me saying minority anger shouldn&#39;t be violent serves your purpose too.


Question: Are minorities the only poor, underclass people in the America?


Question #2: Are people of color the only opressed peoples in theworld?



OK if you answered either of these questions no, then you will see where I&#39;m going with this...


If Poor Blacks are fighting poor whites then how are they supposed to unite against their cappie opressors? The point is to get them to fight together, not fight each other, if the people on top can seperate the lower classes(Like they&#39;ve been doing) it makes it harder for these people to stand up for themselves. COme on Elijah you are aware of the tactics of divide and conquer.



Also in that second quote...who exactley were you quoting...because it doesn&#39;t sound like me....

[elijahcraig]

Stop the quoting&#33; Damn you&#33; Just go bit by bit and don’t take up so much room.


First of all, before you go off shooting at the mouth, you need to realize that me saying minority anger shouldn&#39;t be violent serves your purpose too.

See^?

How? I am in favor of violent revolution, nationalist or otherwise. And I mean oppressed Nationalists, not “White” Nationalists obviously.



Question: Are minorities the only poor, underclass people in the America?

This does not matter. I do not support reformism. I do not think the Capitalist class will give out handouts to the poor, no matter what color they are.

Their aim is profit, not helping people.



Question #2: Are people of color the only opressed peoples in theworld?

No.



If Poor Blacks are fighting poor whites then how are they supposed to unite against their cappie opressors? The point is to get them to fight together, not fight each other, if the people on top can seperate the lower classes(Like they&#39;ve been doing) it makes it harder for these people to stand up for themselves. COme on Elijah you are aware of the tactics of divide and conquer.

When did I speak of division? It is you who do so. Sitting down with your enemy (the rich white capitalist, or the poor white pawn), is dividing. It is uniting with enemies, dividing people’s attention amongst varying degrees of reformism, and killing any chance of revolution.




Also in that second quote...who exactley were you quoting...because it doesn&#39;t sound like me....

*)

[Lardlad95]

happy?


>How? I am in favor of violent revolution, nationalist or otherwise. And I mean oppressed Nationalists, not “White” Nationalists obviously.<


With the Exception of Comrad Huey and a More enlightened Brotha Malcolm....Black nationalists would kill you too.

I mean they are in it for the advancement of their race not, the advance meant of the proletariat



>This does not matter. I do not support reformism. I do not think the Capitalist class will give out handouts to the poor, no matter what color they are.

Their aim is profit, not helping people.<


I don&#39;t disagree about the hand out thing. America&#39;s "social" programs aren&#39;t designed to help they are designed to perpetuate.


I do however believe that Social Programs can be helpful provided they are designed right


>When did I speak of division? It is you who do so. Sitting down with your enemy (the rich white capitalist, or the poor white pawn), is dividing. It is uniting with enemies, dividing people’s attention amongst varying degrees of reformism, and killing any chance of revolution.<


Yes...I see....Whitey must be destroyed...I&#39;ll start with you.....


White peopl aren&#39;t my enemy, most white people I know don&#39;t hate me because I&#39;m black. Granted I&#39;ve met quite a few who do...but for the most part they are&#39;nt my enemy.

Unless you&#39;d care to explain why average white people are(rich white cappies, sure they are everyon&#39;es enemy)

[elijahcraig]

happy?

Yes.



>How? I am in favor of violent revolution, nationalist or otherwise. And I mean oppressed Nationalists, not “White” Nationalists obviously.<


With the Exception of Comrad Huey and a More enlightened Brotha Malcolm....Black nationalists would kill you too.

I mean they are in it for the advancement of their race not, the advance meant of the proletariat

Black Nationalists would not kill me; that makes no sense.

I pick and choose which nationalism I accept; it is not a matter of discussion, just opinion and judging at the time of the event.





>This does not matter. I do not support reformism. I do not think the Capitalist class will give out handouts to the poor, no matter what color they are.

Their aim is profit, not helping people.<


I don&#39;t disagree about the hand out thing. America&#39;s "social" programs aren&#39;t designed to help they are designed to perpetuate.


I do however believe that Social Programs can be helpful provided they are designed right

Do not these two statements contradict one another?





>When did I speak of division? It is you who do so. Sitting down with your enemy (the rich white capitalist, or the poor white pawn), is dividing. It is uniting with enemies, dividing people’s attention amongst varying degrees of reformism, and killing any chance of revolution.<


Yes...I see....Whitey must be destroyed...I&#39;ll start with you.....

WHITE people have nothing to do with it; Clarence Thomas should be avoided as well.





White peopl aren&#39;t my enemy, most white people I know don&#39;t hate me because I&#39;m black. Granted I&#39;ve met quite a few who do...but for the most part they are&#39;nt my enemy.

White people are your enemy if they are of the ruling classes; or if they support racist policies. Whether your ideology of liberalism will allow you to accept that or not.




Unless you&#39;d care to explain why average white people are(rich white cappies, sure they are everyon&#39;es enemy)

It would depend; for example, Billy Bob of the KKK (poor and white) is your enemy. He is not going to change, it is ingrained in him by his masters to be the way he is. Death would be a gift to such a fool.

[Lardlad95]

Black Nationalists would not kill me; that makes no sense.

I pick and choose which nationalism I accept; it is not a matter of discussion, just opinion and judging at the time of the event.


....which black nationalists? There are many black nationalist groups who hate all white people regardless...

But then again you said you are capable of judging which ones you support so i wont argue with you about this, I just hope your powers of judgement are as good as you say they are.



Do not these two statements contradict one another?


No I said that I disliked America&#39;s social programs because they weren&#39;t designed to help. However I do believe that Social Programs can help provided they are designed correctly. America&#39;s programs aren&#39;t so I don&#39;t like them.





White people are your enemy if they are of the ruling classes; or if they support racist policies. Whether your ideology of liberalism will allow you to accept that or not.

The first is easier to recognize, i know which White people are of the "ruling" class and which aren&#39;t. It&#39;s harder to tell which whites are secretly racist(the ones who are openly racist are easy to pick out) so since I can&#39;t read minds I can&#39;t go around distrusting everyone who is white because they "MIGHT" be racist.And if I did my life wouldn&#39;t be very fun and I&#39;d go around hating the innocent along with the guilty.






It would depend; for example, Billy Bob of the KKK (poor and white) is your enemy. He is not going to change, it is ingrained in him by his masters to be the way he is. Death would be a gift to such a fool.


..pffft, I&#39;d rather see Billy bob&#39;s daughter get married to a Black guy....see thats more fun than killing, because there is nothing funnier than a mad ignorant racist.

Or if you really do want to kill him, be my guest, just remember use the 9mm, you don&#39;t want to waste shot gun rounds on a guy like Billy Bob

[elijahcraig]

....which black nationalists? There are many black nationalist groups who hate all white people regardless...

For instance, the NBPP. I do not support them.

As I said, it depends on the group. I don’t know if I’d support any Black Nationalists right now unless they are living in Africa.


No I said that I disliked America&#39;s social programs because they weren&#39;t designed to help. However I do believe that Social Programs can help provided they are designed correctly. America&#39;s programs aren&#39;t so I don&#39;t like them.

If Capitalists operate out of drive for profit alone, there is no way that social programs can help. Momentary fix? Maybe. In totality? Absolutely not.


The first is easier to recognize, i know which White people are of the "ruling" class and which aren&#39;t. It&#39;s harder to tell which whites are secretly racist(the ones who are openly racist are easy to pick out) so since I can&#39;t read minds I can&#39;t go around distrusting everyone who is white because they "MIGHT" be racist.And if I did my life wouldn&#39;t be very fun and I&#39;d go around hating the innocent along with the guilty.

We are in agreement.


..pffft, I&#39;d rather see Billy bob&#39;s daughter get married to a Black guy....see thats more fun than killing, because there is nothing funnier than a mad ignorant racist.

I highly doubt the daughter would be a non-racist if her father was so flagrantly racist. But, yes, that would be funny.

Although the Black guy could be murdered.


Or if you really do want to kill him, be my guest, just remember use the 9mm, you don&#39;t want to waste shot gun rounds on a guy like Billy Bob

I’ll make a note.

[Scalawag]

Please check out my website

The Truth About the Confederate States of America (http://www.geocities.com/jy_wik/big_profits.html)

I think money is the cause of most racial problems. However, Communists have not wiped out racism. Racism existed in the Soviet Union. There were no lynchings in the Soviet Union. However, many blacks that lived in the Soviet Union experienced light racism.
In other words, they were discriminated in jobs and in dating. However, they were not insulted to thier face or forced to endure brutality. Many Russians were racist against Koreans and Chinese too. They viewed them as yellow, barbarian, and slant eyed. Of course, we can&#39;t forget about the racism against Jews.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2003, 04:17 PM
Please check out my website

The Truth About the Confederate States of America (http://www.geocities.com/jy_wik/big_profits.html)

I think money is the cause of most racial problems. However, Communists have not wiped out racism. Racism existed in the Soviet Union. There were no lynchings in the Soviet Union. However, many blacks that lived in the Soviet Union experienced light racism.
In other words, they were discriminated in jobs and in dating. However, they were not insulted to thier face or forced to endure brutality. Many Russians were racist against Koreans and Chinese too. They viewed them as yellow, barbarian, and slant eyed. Of course, we can&#39;t forget about the racism against Jews.
I&#39;m afraid I can&#39;t agree, money isn&#39;t the cause of racial problems, race is.


Even rich people face and exert racism, just the same as poor people.

And yes I&#39;m aware of the existenece of racism in various nations regradless of Society.

Though the economics had nothing to do with it, people of different skin color are simply ridiculed, regardless of financial status

[Lardlad95]

For instance, the NBPP. I do not support them.

As I said, it depends on the group. I don’t know if I’d support any Black Nationalists right now unless they are living in Africa.

Who would Suppor the NBPP? They are antisemetic for absolutely no reason....

And yes, American black nationalist groups died with Malcolm X and Huey newton





If Capitalists operate out of drive for profit alone, there is no way that social programs can help. Momentary fix? Maybe. In totality? Absolutely not.


That is why the capitalists must be taken out of office...or in your case destroyed



I highly doubt the daughter would be a non-racist if her father was so flagrantly racist. But, yes, that would be funny.

Although the Black guy could be murdered.


Nah I&#39;ve seen it before....Trailer trash redneck girls with Black guys....I&#39;ve seen it, didn&#39;t understand it, but I&#39;ve seen it


Meh, black guys are murdered all the time, only this time we can go on TV and ***** about racism



I’ll make a note.


Make sure you do, I mean you don&#39;t want to waste good Revolution ammunition on your average racist

[Totalitarian]

7. Affirmative action shouldn&#39;t be around forever

AA is a scheme of racial divisiveness IMO, and should be abandoned immediately.



13. White people need to realize that minorities do have a right to be angry


Perhaps that is true, but maybe white people also have reasons to be angry. As far as racial crime goes, whites are the main victims these days.

15. White people need to realize that the Minorities aren&#39;t taking over the country, whites still run it for the most part

They sort of are taking over, because the white % of the population is steadily reducing all across the west. In california whites are already a minority, whereas they were about 90% fifty years ago.

17. Whites need to realize that they have it better off (for the most part) than minorities in this country

An incorrect generalisation. In terms of average socio-economic position, East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are a lot better off than whites.

24. Whites need to stop running this white flight crap

It&#39;s quite natural that people usually prefer to live amongst those who look and act like them. &#39;White flight&#39; is a sensible response to racial violence.

[Hampton]

AA is a scheme of racial divisiveness IMO, and should be abandoned immediately.

Fine do that and make sure you eliminate racism too.


Perhaps that is true, but maybe white people also have reasons to be angry. As far as racial crime goes, whites are the main victims these days.

Nobody said white people didn&#39;t, you turned that one around. Good job&#33;


They sort of are taking over, because the white % of the population is steadily reducing all across the west. In california whites are already a minority, whereas they were about 90% fifty years ago.

Oh no, watch out for those Mexicans. The government is still 99% white, you don&#39;t have anything to worry about.


An incorrect generalisation. In terms of average socio-economic position, East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are a lot better off than whites.

You pick two groups of people, it&#39;s doubtful they have a huge population in America, and you throw out the statement? Bollocks.


It&#39;s quite natural that people usually prefer to live amongst those who look and act like them. &#39;White flight&#39; is a sensible response to racial violence.

Right gotta stick with the other aryans, I understand.

[Totalitarian]

Oh no, watch out for those Mexicans. The government is still 99% white, you don&#39;t have anything to worry about.

Where did you get that statistic from?


In terms of average socio-economic position, East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are a lot better off than whites.

You pick two groups of people, it&#39;s doubtful they have a huge population in America, and you throw out the statement? Bollocks.

They both have very small populations, but in terms of average wealth they are better off than whites.



Right gotta stick with the other aryans, I understand.

If two groups of people can&#39;t live in the same space without murdering each other, they should peacefully separate. What other option is there?

[Hampton]

Where did you get that statistic from?

Let&#39;s call it a rough estimate, maybe 90-95%. Better?


They both have very small populations, but in terms of average wealth they are better off than whites.

Okay, but does it answer the statement that was made in the first place?:

"Whites need to realize that they have it better off (for the most part) than minorities in this country"

This isn&#39;t true? You put out here two groups with a small population make more than most whites, that is included in the "for the most part" of the statement. Don&#39;t whites make more, on average, than MOST minorities excluding these two groups with small populations?


If two groups of people can&#39;t live in the same space without murdering each other, they should peacefully separate. What other option is there?

That&#39;s your mindset. Believe it or not, blacks and whites can peacefully coexist, it&#39;s happened before. I know, I know, it&#39;s crazy but it has happened. Or if you prefer:

"Segregation Now, Segregation Tomorrow, Segregation Forever&#33;"

[Lardlad95]

Instead of replying I&#39;m going to let Hampton field this guys grievences since he is doing such a fine job.

I will say this though.


The man said that white flight is good because if two groups can&#39;t live peacefully then they should seperate.


That isn&#39;t how things work in the real world. People need to work out their differences not avoid them.

Because sir, no matter if you like it or not, Minorities exist, we will always exist. Now I don&#39;t hate you, I don&#39;t intend to harm you in any way. You are the one who is creating this mentality of hate. And It isn&#39;t because you are white, there are blacks who are just as guilty. Instead of trying to learn and grow with others you try to seperate, this isn&#39;t needed in a modern world. And I hope someday you learn to coexist peacefully with minorities

[Totalitarian]

"Whites need to realize that they have it better off (for the most part) than minorities in this country"

This isn&#39;t true? You put out here two groups with a small population make more than most whites, that is included in the "for the most part" of the statement. Don&#39;t whites make more, on average, than MOST minorities excluding these two groups with small populations?


Okay, well if you put it that way i suppose i agree. I guess that sentence can be interpreted in several ways.



Believe it or not, blacks and whites can peacefully coexist, it&#39;s happened before. I know, I know, it&#39;s crazy but it has happened. Or if you prefer:

I know it&#39;s happened and it&#39;s possible. But let&#39;s say you&#39;re a white folk living in a neighbourhood. After a while it becomes 60% black and it becomes very dangerous for whites because of all the racism. In that situation, what&#39;s wrong with moving to a place which is mostly European and you&#39;re less likely to be targeted because of your race? Don&#39;t tell me blacks don&#39;t cluster together cos they DO.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 04:28 AM

"Whites need to realize that they have it better off (for the most part) than minorities in this country"

This isn&#39;t true? You put out here two groups with a small population make more than most whites, that is included in the "for the most part" of the statement. Don&#39;t whites make more, on average, than MOST minorities excluding these two groups with small populations?


Okay, well if you put it that way i suppose i agree. I guess that sentence can be interpreted in several ways.



Believe it or not, blacks and whites can peacefully coexist, it&#39;s happened before. I know, I know, it&#39;s crazy but it has happened. Or if you prefer:

I know it&#39;s happened and it&#39;s possible. But let&#39;s say you&#39;re a white folk living in a neighbourhood. After a while it becomes 60% black and it becomes very dangerous for whites because of all the racism. In that situation, what&#39;s wrong with moving to a place which is mostly European and you&#39;re less likely to be targeted because of your race? Don&#39;t tell me blacks and Asians don&#39;t cluster together cos they DO.
How many neighborhoods have you lived in where Whites were the minority? I&#39;m just curious

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by Lardlad95+Oct 11 2003, 04:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lardlad95 @ Oct 11 2003, 04:31 AM)
[email protected] 11 2003, 04:28 AM

"Whites need to realize that they have it better off (for the most part) than minorities in this country"

This isn&#39;t true? You put out here two groups with a small population make more than most whites, that is included in the "for the most part" of the statement. Don&#39;t whites make more, on average, than MOST minorities excluding these two groups with small populations?


Okay, well if you put it that way i suppose i agree. I guess that sentence can be interpreted in several ways.



Believe it or not, blacks and whites can peacefully coexist, it&#39;s happened before. I know, I know, it&#39;s crazy but it has happened. Or if you prefer:

I know it&#39;s happened and it&#39;s possible. But let&#39;s say you&#39;re a white folk living in a neighbourhood. After a while it becomes 60% black and it becomes very dangerous for whites because of all the racism. In that situation, what&#39;s wrong with moving to a place which is mostly European and you&#39;re less likely to be targeted because of your race? Don&#39;t tell me blacks and Asians don&#39;t cluster together cos they DO.
How many neighborhoods have you lived in where Whites were the minority? I&#39;m just curious [/b]
None. I&#39;m basing this on the crime stats, which show that whites are far more likely than blacks to be the victims of inter-racial crime.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by Totalitarian+Oct 11 2003, 04:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Totalitarian @ Oct 11 2003, 04:35 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 04:31 AM

[email protected] 11 2003, 04:28 AM

"Whites need to realize that they have it better off (for the most part) than minorities in this country"

This isn&#39;t true? You put out here two groups with a small population make more than most whites, that is included in the "for the most part" of the statement. Don&#39;t whites make more, on average, than MOST minorities excluding these two groups with small populations?


Okay, well if you put it that way i suppose i agree. I guess that sentence can be interpreted in several ways.



Believe it or not, blacks and whites can peacefully coexist, it&#39;s happened before. I know, I know, it&#39;s crazy but it has happened. Or if you prefer:

I know it&#39;s happened and it&#39;s possible. But let&#39;s say you&#39;re a white folk living in a neighbourhood. After a while it becomes 60% black and it becomes very dangerous for whites because of all the racism. In that situation, what&#39;s wrong with moving to a place which is mostly European and you&#39;re less likely to be targeted because of your race? Don&#39;t tell me blacks and Asians don&#39;t cluster together cos they DO.
How many neighborhoods have you lived in where Whites were the minority? I&#39;m just curious
None. I&#39;m basing this on the crime stats, which show that whites are far more likely than blacks to be the victims of inter-racial crime. [/b]
None? I thought so.


I&#39;ve lived in neighborhoods in which i was the majority, minority, and interracial neighborhoods. I&#39;ve never seen a white person be the victim of a hate crime, nor have I been one. I have been subject to hate speech, but never hate crimes.


Also, interracial crimes?


You are just as bad as any minority who screams hate crime.

Just because I beat the shit out of some guy of a different color doesn&#39;t mean that it&#39;s a hate crime.

Unless it was racially motivated it isn&#39;t a hate crime, I don&#39;t care what color you are.


Also I noticed you said interracial crimes and not hate crimes

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by Lardlad95+Oct 11 2003, 04:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lardlad95 @ Oct 11 2003, 04:38 AM)

[/b]

[email protected] 11 2003, 04:31 AM

I&#39;ve lived in neighborhoods in which i was the majority, minority, and interracial neighborhoods. I&#39;ve never seen a white person be the victim of a hate crime, nor have I been one. I have been subject to hate speech, but never hate crimes.


Also, interracial crimes?


You are just as bad as any minority who screams hate crime.

Just because I beat the shit out of some guy of a different color doesn&#39;t mean that it&#39;s a hate crime.

Unless it was racially motivated it isn&#39;t a hate crime, I don&#39;t care what color you are.

Also I noticed you said interracial crimes and not hate crimes


I&#39;m not necessarily talking about &#39;hate crimes&#39;.

The facts simply are that it is safer for the average white person to live in a place which is mostly white, rather than mostly black. I&#39;d say its probably the same with most groups, and this is because of racism.

It&#39;s well known that there are certain areas where whites just shouldn&#39;t go, because they will likely get shot or mugged. The same sort of thing happens to black people in certain areas, although its not so bad now but in the South several decades ago there were lots of attacks against blacks who lived in majority-white areas, sometimes they were made to flee.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by Totalitarian+Oct 11 2003, 04:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Totalitarian @ Oct 11 2003, 04:45 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 04:38 AM




[email protected] 11 2003, 04:31 AM

I&#39;ve lived in neighborhoods in which i was the majority, minority, and interracial neighborhoods. I&#39;ve never seen a white person be the victim of a hate crime, nor have I been one. I have been subject to hate speech, but never hate crimes.


Also, interracial crimes?


You are just as bad as any minority who screams hate crime.

Just because I beat the shit out of some guy of a different color doesn&#39;t mean that it&#39;s a hate crime.

Unless it was racially motivated it isn&#39;t a hate crime, I don&#39;t care what color you are.

Also I noticed you said interracial crimes and not hate crimes


I&#39;m not necessarily talking about &#39;hate crimes&#39;.

The facts simply are that it is safer for the average white person to live in a place which is mostly white, rather than mostly black. I&#39;d say its probably the same with most groups, and this is because of racism.

It&#39;s well known that there are certain areas where whites just shouldn&#39;t go, because they will likely get shot or mugged. The same sort of thing happens to black people in certain areas, although its not so bad now but in the South several decades ago there were lots of attacks against blacks who lived in majority-white areas, sometimes they were made to flee. [/b]
Your advocating people being ruled by fear...this is a good thing?


Had blacks been ruled by fear in the 1960&#39;s I&#39;d be put in jail for drinking from the same water fountain as you.


No one should be ruled by fear, fleeing isn&#39;t the way to go. I"m sorry but white flight, black flight, asian flight, green flight is wrong and it&#39;s only breeding more flight. There is no solving these problems when people run

[Totalitarian]

So what do you think people should do....just stay there and fight it out? That only increases the hate. :unsure:

Of course people should be able to sort these things out peacefullly, but quite often that doesn&#39;t work. Anyway, folks usually feel more comfortable amongst their own ethnic group and i don&#39;t see anything wrong with that.

[the SovieT]

...

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 05:10 AM
So what do you think people should do....just stay there and fight it out? That only increases the hate. :unsure:

Of course people should be able to sort these things out peacefullly, but quite often that doesn&#39;t work. Anyway, folks usually feel more comfortable amongst their own ethnic group and i don&#39;t see anything wrong with that.
And staying away from other people and living in ignorance of other cultures doesnt breed hate?

I have no problem living around whites, blacks, asians, Martians, it doesn&#39;t matter.

People need to learn to live with each other, simple as that

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by the [email protected] 11 2003, 11:05 AM
...
I&#39;ll be sure to check the Rodrigo label out, thanks comrade

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 03:05 PM




Lardlad95:

"And staying away from other people and living in ignorance of other cultures doesnt breed hate?"

Not necessarily. I&#39;d rather not live in China, but that doesn&#39;t mean i hate Chinese people.

"I have no problem living around whites, blacks, asians, Martians, it doesn&#39;t matter."


What if the Martians didn&#39;t want to play nice?

[Lardlad95]

Not necessarily. I&#39;d rather not live in China, but that doesn&#39;t mean i hate Chinese people.

Not wanting to live in another nation is one thing, not wanting to live around a group of people is another. There are many chinese people in America, do you want to live around them? That is the important question.


Also no one said you dislike chinese people(though I am a little skeptical about your feelings towards blacks) but if you think that people are better off with their own kind then there is a problem.




What if the Martians didn&#39;t want to play nice?


PLay nice? You are just as unwilling to play nice as any other segregationist regardless of race.

[Totalitarian]

Lardlad95:

I don&#39;t have a problem with living around Chinese people; in fact there are all sorts of people in my neighbourhood. What i&#39;m saying is that i usually prefer to associate with people who share my European heritage.

[commie kg]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2003, 09:19 PM
Lardlad95:

I don&#39;t have a problem with living around Chinese people; in fact there are all sorts of people in my neighbourhood. What i&#39;m saying is that i usually prefer to associate with people who share my European heritage.
What I don&#39;t understand is why that matters at all. What makes you want to be around other whites rather than any other person?

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by commie kg+Oct 13 2003, 05:29 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (commie kg @ Oct 13 2003, 05:29 AM)
[email protected] 12 2003, 09:19 PM
Lardlad95:

I don&#39;t have a problem with living around Chinese people; in fact there are all sorts of people in my neighbourhood. What i&#39;m saying is that i usually prefer to associate with people who share my European heritage.
What I don&#39;t understand is why that matters at all. What makes you want to be around other whites rather than any other person? [/b]
It&#39;s not that i just want to be around whites; but my family is white and so are most of the people i grew up with, so i am more comfortable around them because they share my culture and traditions to some extent.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2003, 07:36 PM
There are many chinese people in America, do you want to live around them? That is the important question
Totalitarian is a New Zealander.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by Totalitarian+Oct 13 2003, 05:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Totalitarian @ Oct 13 2003, 05:54 AM)
Originally posted by commie [email protected] 13 2003, 05:29 AM

[email protected] 12 2003, 09:19 PM
Lardlad95:

I don&#39;t have a problem with living around Chinese people; in fact there are all sorts of people in my neighbourhood. What i&#39;m saying is that i usually prefer to associate with people who share my European heritage.
What I don&#39;t understand is why that matters at all. What makes you want to be around other whites rather than any other person?
It&#39;s not that i just want to be around whites; but my family is white and so are most of the people i grew up with, so i am more comfortable around them because they share my culture and traditions to some extent. [/b]
That really is a shame, you are leavin yourself in a cave. Now why wouldn&#39;t you want to learn about other cultures? Why wouldn&#39;t you want to expand your mind? Or would you rather hold on to your old stereotypes about how I"m going to kill you simply because you are white and I am black?


Also what about Black Europeans? Or Blacks who grew up in white neighborhoods?


Also if you live in new zealand...just what is the black population in New Zealand? Or the Hispanic Population?

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2003, 02:45 PM




That really is a shame, you are leavin yourself in a cave. Now why wouldn&#39;t you want to learn about other cultures?

I do want to learn about other cultures.


Why wouldn&#39;t you want to expand your mind? Or would you rather hold on to your old stereotypes about how I"m going to kill you simply because you are white and I am black?

I don&#39;t think that someone is going to kill me just because of that, if i did i would never go near a black person.



Also what about Black Europeans? Or Blacks who grew up in white neighborhoods?

They are not ethnic Europeans.



Also if you live in new zealand...just what is the black population in New Zealand? Or the Hispanic Population?

Miniscule. Our main ethnic minorities are Maori (<20%), Polynesian (7%), and Asian (5%).

[dopediana]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2003, 05:19 AM
Lardlad95:

I don&#39;t have a problem with living around Chinese people; in fact there are all sorts of people in my neighbourhood. What i&#39;m saying is that i usually prefer to associate with people who share my European heritage.
wow. i can&#39;t believe you just said that. that is open and blatant racism. that is really very hurtful to people of other races. that&#39;s a fucking enormous insult. if i were black or asian or hispanic i&#39;d give you a huge cybersmack. what do you mean "prefer to associate"? that&#39;s so freakin elitist.....

[Pete]

Trying to avoid generalizations, and thus relying on specific examples, I must say this:

In my experience all of my friends of an ethnic minority (that being Asian, usually from Korea), prefer to associate and date with members of their own ethnicitiy and nationality. For example, I went to a week long mini course with two of my friends, and they would only check out Asian girls, and only talk to the Korean ones. Perhaps there is a comfort level about being around someone who can speak the same langauge and relate to certain cultural &#39;traits&#39;, but being from a largely European (Dutch, Irish, Scottish...with the usual splatterings of English and French) community I probaly don&#39;t have the authority to make such generalizations.

[Totalitarian]

I don&#39;t see anything racist about preferring the company of those who i am more closely related to. I find that Blacks, Jews, Polynesians, Asians and all other racial groups do it to some extent as well. Biologists call it "kin selection".

[suffianr]

wow. i can&#39;t believe you just said that. that is open and blatant racism. that is really very hurtful to people of other races. that&#39;s a fucking enormous insult. if i were black or asian or hispanic i&#39;d give you a huge cybersmack. what do you mean "prefer to associate"? that&#39;s so freakin elitist.....

Yeah, I had a "friend" who recently confessed to being quite proud of working in a big company with lots of people from diverse racial backgrounds...I asked him why, and he said that he didn&#39;t find other races a threat because he was "taught" how to handle them in the work environment during his previous internship.

And he got a tight slap from me. Tsk, tsk, tsk. :lol:

[Eastside Revolt]

Yeah a freind of mine recently cofessed (while we were all very drunk) that he only wanted a child with a black woman. At first I didn&#39;t really take note, but then my ears perked when I heard him say something about raising a child in an "all black atmosphere". And I was like WHAT&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :blink:

So me and this native girl sorta jumped all over him without thinking twice about it. Less than 5 minutes later he left in a huff claiming we wern&#39;t his freinds anymore. :angry:

Thinking back on it I probably should have shut my mouth, except I just didn&#39;t understand at the time. The guy is "black" (not truly "black" I&#39;m always hesitant to admit someone is "black" or "white"), and he grew up with a "white" foster family and 90% of his freinds are "white", including me. So when he said "all black atmosphere" I was thinking WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE WAY YOU GREW UP&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

Now that I have thought about it a little more. This probably means he has some deep-down feelings about how he can&#39;t relate to his culture. And I feel bad for jumping all over him :( :unsure: . Because you have to understand that this guy NEVER and I mean NEVER, talk or has opinions on anything philisophical or political (unless maybe its a philosophy on how to get the most play out of women while putting in the least effort :D ). So for him to come-out with something like that, he must have felt he trusted us. :(

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 07:46 PM
Yeah a freind of mine recently cofessed (while we were all very drunk) that he only wanted a child with a black woman. At first I didn&#39;t really take note, but then my ears perked when I heard him say something about raising a child in an "all black atmosphere". And I was like WHAT&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :blink:

So me and this native girl sorta jumped all over him without thinking twice about it. Less than 5 minutes later he left in a huff claiming we wern&#39;t his freinds anymore. :angry:

Thinking back on it I probably should have shut my mouth, except I just didn&#39;t understand at the time. The guy is "black" (not truly "black" I&#39;m always hesitant to admit someone is "black" or "white"), and he grew up with a "white" foster family and 90% of his freinds are "white", including me. So when he said "all black atmosphere" I was thinking WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE WAY YOU GREW UP&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

Now that I have thought about it a little more. This probably means he has some deep-down feelings about how he can&#39;t relate to his culture. And I feel bad for jumping all over him :( :unsure: . Because you have to understand that this guy NEVER and I mean NEVER, talk or has opinions on anything philisophical or political (unless maybe its a philosophy on how to get the most play out of women while putting in the least effort :D ). So for him to come-out with something like that, he must have felt he trusted us. :(
Well....for the most part blacks who weren&#39; raised around other blacks catch alot of heat from blacks who were raised around other blacks.

This doesn&#39;t justify his statements in anyway, but he wanted his kid to have it easier.

In fact doing that is very cowardly, if he happens to end up living in a black neighborhood so be it, but his kid shouldn&#39;t need to be justified by growing up "black"

Anyone who picks a certain neighborhood on thebasis of race needs to sit back and take a look at just how stupid it really is

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 02:53 AM

Miniscule. Our main ethnic minorities are Maori (<20%), Polynesian (7%), and Asian (5%).
So then....you know how many black people?

[Totalitarian]

I know very few black people....but i know about the crime rate, from reading the US stats. I know there are certain places where it is extremely dangerous for whites to go, because theres a good chance of being attacked by racist gangs.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2003, 11:52 AM
I know very few black people....but i know about the crime rate, from reading the US stats. I know there are certain places where it is extremely dangerous for whites to go, because theres a good chance of being attacked by racist gangs.
....Meet some black people, I assure you, we aren&#39;t going to kill you as soon as you show up

[Goldfinger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2003, 11:27 PM
....Meet some black people, I assure you, we aren&#39;t going to kill you as soon as you show up
I would

[Urban Rubble]

....Meet some black people, I assure you, we aren&#39;t going to kill you as soon as you show up

Liar.

[Hampton]

Damn they found out.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 18 2003, 11:32 PM

....Meet some black people, I assure you, we aren&#39;t going to kill you as soon as you show up

Liar.
Beat perhaps...but never kill

[Totalitarian]

Lardlad:

I treat people as individuals, and i do not discriminate against people based solely on their race.

However the point i was originally making, is that due to the disproportionately high rate of black-on-white crime, the migration of whites towards more ethnically homogenous (and therefore safer) areas is quite understandable.

[Hampton]

So you treat people as individuals and don&#39;t discriminate except you choose to live in all white areas becuase blacks generally cause more crime?

Ummm, that doesn&#39;t work out.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2003, 02:36 PM
So you treat people as individuals and don&#39;t discriminate except you choose to live in all white areas becuase blacks generally cause more crime?

Ummm, that doesn&#39;t work out.
I&#39;m afraid I must concur

[Anarchist Freedom]

woohoooo i completely agree this is perfectly the way i feell



:che:

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2003, 02:36 PM
So you treat people as individuals and don&#39;t discriminate except you choose to live in all white areas becuase blacks generally cause more crime?

Ummm, that doesn&#39;t work out.
THere&#39;s nothing wrong with people choosing to live in areas where they feel relatively safe.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by Totalitarian+Oct 22 2003, 10:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Totalitarian @ Oct 22 2003, 10:26 PM)
[email protected] 21 2003, 02:36 PM
So you treat people as individuals and don&#39;t discriminate except you choose to live in all white areas becuase blacks generally cause more crime?

Ummm, that doesn&#39;t work out.
THere&#39;s nothing wrong with people choosing to live in areas where they feel relatively safe. [/b]
It&#39;s no right however to base what is and isn&#39;t safe on stereotypes and prejudice

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by Lardlad95+Oct 26 2003, 10:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lardlad95 @ Oct 26 2003, 10:38 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 10:26 PM

[email protected] 21 2003, 02:36 PM
So you treat people as individuals and don&#39;t discriminate except you choose to live in all white areas becuase blacks generally cause more crime?

Ummm, that doesn&#39;t work out.
THere&#39;s nothing wrong with people choosing to live in areas where they feel relatively safe.
It&#39;s no right however to base what is and isn&#39;t safe on stereotypes and prejudice [/b]
What if it&#39;s based on personal experience and crime statistics?

[Bodyguard]

If I may add my 2 cents in here......I think that perhaps in the furture groups of people will flock together because of how they THINK not how they LOOK. If one has something in common with someone of another race then who cares as long as they like and respect each other? Say for instance I am white and lived in a white neighborhood full of Mafia types, I would prefer to live in a place that held my values....even if it was a black or hispanic or any other non-white neighborhood.

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 08:12 AM
If I may add my 2 cents in here......I think that perhaps in the furture groups of people will flock together because of how they THINK not how they LOOK. If one has something in common with someone of another race then who cares as long as they like and respect each other? Say for instance I am white and lived in a white neighborhood full of Mafia types, I would prefer to live in a place that held my values....even if it was a black or hispanic or any other non-white neighborhood.
In my opinion people should be able to form groups based on whatever criteria they choose....whether it be shared ideas, ancestry, appearance or whatever.

[Scalawag]

It&#39;s difficult to criticize minorities without being labled a "stupid cracker ass". I&#39;m a white guy from Tennessee so I&#39;m easy to make fun of.

However, I will say that I&#39;m for improved race relations. The USA has plenty of room for everyone. We have enough money to help everyone.

However, there is a catch. We cannot help the rest of the world. We can only help US citizens. So we need to:

1. Keep our armed forces within the USA

2. Turn our armed forces into a national police force. Let&#39;s scare everyone into being good citizens. China and Malaysia do it. Why can&#39;t we?
Our goal is to prevent crime. However, our present government encourages crime. They make money off the prison population. Prisons are big business..

3. End foriegn aid (except for private and religious donations).

4. Support a foriegn policy which allows each nation to defend itself.

5. End NAFTA. It is hurting the Mexican economy. Why not encourage Mexico to improve it&#39;s standard of living? Now, we are just encouraging immigration. Cause who wants to live in a poor nation when they can live in a rich one?

6. End US support of Israel. It&#39;s just a piece of desert for Pete&#39;s sake&#33; It&#39;s probably not any bigger than New Hampshire. Anyways, "it&#39;s not our problem"

7. So basically my new American foriegn and domestic policy is summed up in 3 words "KISS MY ASS"

How does this relate to race relations? Well, America&#39;s racist, imperalistic, and capitalist system is the source of most racial problems.

[Totalitarian]

Turn our armed forces into a national police force. Let&#39;s scare everyone into being good citizens. China and Malaysia do it. Why can&#39;t we?

That&#39;s called martial law.

[Rasta Sapian]

We are all people&#33; regardless of race, what we as people need is a classless society where everyone can be apart of the global political agenda to improve mankind all around the world&#33; :)

U can help&#33; Together we can make a difference&#33;

[pastradamus]

rasta may I top that up with a bit of marx...

&#39;Workers of the world unite&#39;.

beautiful :D

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by Rasta [email protected] 4 2003, 11:11 PM
what we as people need is a classless society
I disagree. There will always be some people who are highly intelligent, and others with a natural tendency towards more physical based labour.

[Urban Rubble]

I disagree. There will always be some people who are highly intelligent, and others with a natural tendency towards more physical based labour.

That has nothing to do with it. Of course there are people more inclined to physical labor. What does that have to do with a classless society ?

If a construction worker and a accountant are paid the same, how is that a class difference besides what they do at work ?

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 03:53 AM
We cannot help the rest of the world. We can only help US citizens.

[...]
2. Turn our armed forces into a national police force. Let&#39;s scare everyone into being good citizens. China and Malaysia do it. Why can&#39;t we?
Our goal is to prevent crime. However, our present government encourages crime. They make money off the prison population. Prisons are big business..

3. End foriegn aid (except for private and religious donations).

7. So basically my new American foriegn and domestic policy is summed up in 3 words "KISS MY ASS"

How does this relate to race relations? Well, America&#39;s racist, imperalistic, and capitalist system is the source of most racial problems.
The U.S. has stolen resources from all parts of the globe... we do have enough money to help beyond our national borders (not to mention a moral obligation to pay back what has been stolen&#33;).

"Turn our armed forces into a national police force. Let&#39;s scare everyone into being good citizens. China and Malaysia do it. "

That sounds fascistic... people can do the right thing without living in a police state, you know.

"However, our present government encourages crime. They make money off the prison population. Prisons are big business.."

You are right about that...

Why should we end foreign aid? Why should we have loopholes for business (private is a code word for business) or evangelical interests? I do not see how we would be better off for doing this... I do see a need to eliminate military aid to terror states like Israel and Turkey.

What do you mean by a policy of "KISS MY ASS"? I do not see where that came from.

Your last point is well taken, but what exactly did it have to do with your point?

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 5 2003, 05:23 AM
[QUOTE]
If a construction worker and a accountant are paid the same, how is that a class difference besides what they do at work ?
I think that society should be organized so that everyone has the sufficient material goods needed for survival. If they desire more than this, then they should be able to use their own talents to do so.

I don&#39;t think that people should all be paid the same, for doing completely different tasks. For example, a brain surgeon is performing a much more complex task than someone who sweeps the streets.

Anyone can sweep the streets, but it takes a good deal of intelligence and training to become a brain surgeon. This should be reflected in what they earn.

[Rasta Sapian]

Sorry Totalitarin, but I disagree. In a socialist world where people are equal, material wealth and money as we know it would be irrelivant&#33; Furthermore some people of great intelligence do and would prefer to be with the workers or proletariot to help inspire and motivate or even to help others&#33; :o a classless society.

Watch the movie ANTS, its a cartoon movie with an extensive socialist medium&#33;

[Totalitarian]

In a socialist world where people are equal, material wealth and money as we know it would be irrelivant&#33;

In order so that people are fed and have their basic desires satisfied, there will always be a need for some form of material wealth.

Money as we know it may indeed disappear. But as long as there is some form of exchange, certain commodities may be used as a medium. Even if it was just a barter economy.


some people of great intelligence do and would prefer to be with the workers or proletariot to help inspire and motivate or even to help others&#33;

That may be true, but some of them would be needed to carry out the tasks in society which require great skill.

Ants as i recall, operate according to a genetic caste system in which society is rigidly divided into workers and drones who all obey the dictatorial Queen. Probably not a good model for socialist utopia ;)

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by Totalitarian+Oct 30 2003, 02:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Totalitarian @ Oct 30 2003, 02:18 AM)
[email protected] 29 2003, 08:12 AM
If I may add my 2 cents in here......I think that perhaps in the furture groups of people will flock together because of how they THINK not how they LOOK. If one has something in common with someone of another race then who cares as long as they like and respect each other? Say for instance I am white and lived in a white neighborhood full of Mafia types, I would prefer to live in a place that held my values....even if it was a black or hispanic or any other non-white neighborhood.
In my opinion people should be able to form groups based on whatever criteria they choose....whether it be shared ideas, ancestry, appearance or whatever. [/b]
....You can&#39;t honestly compare Ideas with ancestry. I can control what I believe I can&#39;t however control the fact that I"M BLACK

Because I&#39;m a socialist that would bar me from becoming chair of the republican party.

however if I&#39;m black should that be taken into consideration?

You are advocating seperation based on things people can&#39;t control which is wrong.

[Totalitarian]

Lardlad95:

You can&#39;t honestly compare Ideas with ancestry. I can control what I believe I can&#39;t however control the fact that I"M BLACK....You are advocating seperation based on things people can&#39;t control which is wrong.

If people want to form associations and communes based on ancestry, then that is fine by me.

I don&#39;t see the problem with it.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2003, 03:11 AM
Lardlad95:

You can&#39;t honestly compare Ideas with ancestry. I can control what I believe I can&#39;t however control the fact that I"M BLACK....You are advocating seperation based on things people can&#39;t control which is wrong.

If people want to form associations and communes based on ancestry, then that is fine by me.

I don&#39;t see the problem with it.
THe problem is that it breeds ignorance and ignorance translates into hatred which ends up in opression and fighting.

If you are around people only like you who tend to agree with you then you begin to develop prejudices and never learn how you can fix your own flaws.

That is the same reason OI is necassary...what good does it do communists to only be around other communists? Some cappies bring up good points that communists need to adress. If they weren&#39;t cappies around thn commies would just go on an on patting themselves on the back

[Totalitarian]

THe problem is that it breeds ignorance

Not necessarily. Unless people are completely isolated, then they can still learn about others.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 02:26 AM
THe problem is that it breeds ignorance

Not necessarily. Unless people are completely isolated, then they can still learn about others.
I only hang out with blacks who only hang out with blacks, I only live around with blacks, I have no white friends.....do you honestly think that if this trend continues my children will know alot about white people?

[Totalitarian]

I only hang out with blacks who only hang out with blacks, I only live around with blacks, I have no white friends.....do you honestly think that if this trend continues my children will know alot about white people?

You can still read about them in books, or go visit some part of your country which has lots of white people.

[dopediana]

http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com

[Eastside Revolt]

LOL that site is bizare&#33;&#33; :lol: