For Oblivion/Skyrim Bethseda fans... ect.

[Rafiq]

Let's talk some Skyrim.

Alright, remember how oblivion was so dynamic, so smooth and stuff? Acrobatics, running, ect...

Then fallout came, where you fealt like a heavy douche who ran .00000000001 miles and hour, walking took forever (It fucking sucked) and it was hard as fuck, not dynamic, repetitive (VAAATTSSSS), and made your thumbs hurt? (Btw, I love Fallout New Vegas, but nothing compared to oblivion)

I hope Skyrim isn't like that. What got me scared is that they said they took out speed as a skill, and acrobatics. That sucks. the whole game you will run just as fast, and jump just as high. In Oblivion, my guy was a badass who jumped 30 ft like a ninja/assassin.

Plus, combat looks a lot harder.

I hope it doesn't become like fallout.... (Walking is a pain in the ass).

Skryim.... Might just suck... A lot


(Btw, I am not hating on fallout, but for the TES series i have much higher standards, man)

[Princess Luna]

I hated the fact in Oblivion you had to enter towns though the main gates, it was annoying as fuck if you were playing a thief or assassin type character because if you had a bounty on your head you had to get it removed or you couldn't enter towns and i know there are mods to fix it but i had to play it on the consol for 4 years because i didn't have a computer powerful enough to play it. My hope is to have the sneaking and acrobatics of Oblivion, the non-instanced towns from Morrowind, and the climbing skill from Daggerfall. One of my fondest memories from Morrowind was making my way to the Thieves Guild with a bounty on my head by running along the the outer-wall of Balmora, it felt sneaky.

[Rafiq]

But you can fix that issue with the Oblivion open cities mod.

[thesadmafioso]

The only thing I didn't much care for with Oblivion was the omnipotence of the guards hive mind. You could kill a Legion forester in the middle of nowhere, and everyone in every town suddenly was aware of your crime. Oh, and the loading times were absolutely terrible.

Overall though, these minor things were a small price to pay for the tremendous immersion of Oblivion. I don't know how best to put it, but I never really cared for my characters in fallout, whereas in Oblivion I really felt more involved in the course of the game. I only hope that Skyrim will be able to replicate that same degree of player engagement.

[ComradeGrant]

they took out speed and acrobatics!? I could run across Cyrodil on foot faster than on a horse and jump across entire buildings. Still looking forward to it but come on.

[Rusty Shackleford]

speed and acrobatics. they were fucking pointless skills! i only used them to buffer my level so i could get the level bonuses. yeah you can jump high but that could be modified by strength or something. even then, i dont care for the loss.

remember in morrowind where you would just jump everywhere? yeah, thats what was dumb.

also, New Vegas is pretty good, it is the end of that engine though. they need a new one but this one is apparently a refurbished and reworked version of the Oblivion engine. they said it resolved many issues though.

also, the terrain is totally hand made in this one. and there are 8 cave designers.

http://skyrimguild.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/The_Elder_Scrolls_5_-_Skyrim_Screenshot_3.jpg
LOOK AT THE BIRCH TREES!

[Pavlov's House Party]

In Skyrim you're supposed to fight dragons, but from what I hear it's most likely going to be some scripted event that gets monotonous after the first two times.

[Rusty Shackleford]

the dragons are goign to be the oblivion gates basically.

[Tablo]

Dragons are much better than Oblivion gates. I'm just hoping they don't go focus so much on appealing to console gamers that they give pc users a shitty interface. TES started on pc and I would like to continue playing it on pc.

[Rusty Shackleford]

there is a huge bonus to having it on PC though. MODS

[#FF0000]

There will be infinite dragons, or so I've heard.

I don't know. I am not too optimistic because fuck bethesda

[Rafiq]

I don't think I'm going to buy this game right away. If it isn't as good as oblivion, than fuck it, I'm done with video games.

If it IS better than oblivion, then It'll be the last game ill ever buy, ill play it for 13 years, ditch my friends, and only befriend the people in the game, and just that...

[Manifesto]

I thought Oblivion gates were fun, one of the best parts! But a pain in the ass at the same time. Also in Morrowind now THOSE loading times were horrible and you could levitate anywhere! Gotta admit it was fun though and needed without fast travel. Guard hive mind thing needs to go.

[Nolan]

Oblivion gates were dumb, I hated the main quest. If I could somehow just play the game without the main quest and no fucking arches everywhere that fucked up the sky I'd be a happy traveler.

[Black Sheep]

Fuck fast travel.It destroys immersion.I want Silt striders or what they're called and Mark/Recall, not magical teleportation and time travel.
The oblivion map was huge and it was condensed to shit with the implementation of fast travel.

[Iraultzaile Ezkerreko]

Oblivion gates were dumb, I hated the main quest. If I could somehow just play the game without the main quest and no fucking arches everywhere that fucked up the sky I'd be a happy traveler.

This. To this date I have still never completed the Oblivion Main Quest. I don't want to. Shouldn't a game make you want to beat it's Main Quest, not avoid it at all costs?

[Obs]

They'll never top Morrowind.

[Invader Zim]

The problem with Oblivion is that the levelling system was absolutely shit, and the fact that if you didn't level properly you could be attacked by a rat or a goblin and be given a run for your money. The second major problem was the ridiculous story line which saw you liberate what seemed like an endless number of gates. None of which were any more difficult than killing a nest of goblins at any point in the game (thank you shit levelling system).

Boring.

Fallout 3 was a vastly better game.

[bcbm]

Oblivion gates were dumb, I hated the main quest. If I could somehow just play the game without the main quest and no fucking arches everywhere that fucked up the sky I'd be a happy traveler.

don't goto weynon priory or kvatch. boom, problem solved.


skyrim looks sick

[Kuppo Shakur]

When Skyrim comes out, I will do a careful internet search to find out whether or not it has a quest arrow, and that is it.
If it does, I will never think about it again.
If it does not, I will buy it instantly.

[Rusty Shackleford]

don't goto weynon priory or kvatch. boom, problem solved.


this

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

Goddamn newcomers thinking Oblivion was good...

telepathic guards, annoying as fuck oblivion gates, lotr enviroments that somehow lacked the character of morrowind despite morrowind the characters standing in the same place 24 hours a day, and LEVELED CREATURES...Eughhhh.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Look, i started with morrowind. i spent a whole summer playing the hell out of that game. i dont remember anything else from that summer.

it was excellent.

Oblivion was still good though. im actually playing through it again right now with Oscuros Oblivion Overhaul and a weather mod. its going to be great imo.

[Kuppo Shakur]

Yeah it's not like Oblivion was the worst game of all time, but when you compare it to Morrowind, WHICH YOU SHOULD, It's just a pile of crap.

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

Look, i started with morrowind. i spent a whole summer playing the hell out of that game. i dont remember anything else from that summer.

it was excellent.

Oblivion was still good though. im actually playing through it again right now with Oscuros Oblivion Overhaul and a weather mod. its going to be great imo.

haha yeah I was being a little too extreme. Oblivion's still a banging game, espcially when modded. I just much prefer Morrowind ;)

[Rusty Shackleford]

E3 live presentation, gameplay, on a 360. fuckign awesome. and no, dragon fights arent scripted or god of war like... completely.


http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2011-gameplay-walkthrough/714852

[Red Commissar]

E3 live presentation, gameplay, on a 360. fuckign awesome. and no, dragon fights arent scripted or god of war like... completely.


http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2011-gameplay-walkthrough/714852

Same vid is now spammed across youtube:

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They will also be airing some stuff on Skyrim again at 5:00 pm eastern- very soon now.

[Rusty Shackleford]

one thing is that it looks a bit choppy. they still have five months to refine it though. but goddamn i dont want to be "loading area" every half kilometer. either way im still going to get it.


Nordic Mythology is great so long as you dont take it too far and turn into a Nazi. its fucking epic. And this game, though not REAL mythology, is heavily influenced by it and does a great job blending it with the elder scrolls game and its own mythology they created over the past almost 2 decades.


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[Tablo]

I was skeptical of Skyrim until those gameplay vids. I'm now officially looking forward to it. I'm sure it will be better than Oblivion. If it is better than Morrowind I will be a happy camper. :)

Btw, check out the Dark Souls trailer. Looks soooooo good!

[Invader Zim]

haha yeah I was being a little too extreme. Oblivion's still a banging game, espcially when modded. I just much prefer Morrowind ;)


No, you weren't and no it isn't. Oblivion is easily the most over-rated game I have ever played. It is at best a mediocre game substandard to even the third Gothic installement, which wasn't great either.

Let's just run through the three main aspects, as far as I am concerned:

Game play: Oblivion was, in terms of combat game play was actually inferior to the indie installement Mount and Blade, which was made by two people from their living room on a shoe-sting budget gathered by selling at tiny prices early verions of the game. I got Mount and Blade years ago back when it was in version 0.3, and even then it was vastly suprior in terms of game play to Oblivion and had a far more sinsible levelling system.

Graphics: Ok. They were pretty good, but no more so than should be expected. In fact Morrowind, as I recall, looked better for its time than oblivion. And Fallout 3, which is admittedly a few years younger, makes Oblivion look positively ugly.

Story: What a load of crap. While there was lots of exploring to do the central storyline was impossibly bad. The fact that the developers added all those fucking oblivion gates to artifically extend the play time was nothing short of false advertising and soon turned Oblivion into one of the most boring RPGs I have ever played.

So I really fail to see why Oblivion is a banging game. Every installement of the Elder Scroll's series was and remains a more enjoyable game. Seriously, get Dosbox and play Arena, if you think that Oblivion was a banging game Arena will blow your mind. And that game came out in 1994.

[bcbm]

lol man u care too much

[Rafiq]

No, you weren't and no it isn't. Oblivion is easily the most over-rated game I have ever played. It is at best a mediocre game substandard to even the third Gothic installement, which wasn't great either.

Let's just run through the three main aspects, as far as I am concerned:

Game play: Oblivion was, in terms of combat game play was actually inferior to the indie installement Mount and Blade, which was made by two people from their living room on a shoe-sting budget gathered by selling at tiny prices early verions of the game. I got Mount and Blade years ago back when it was in version 0.3, and even then it was vastly suprior in terms of game play to Oblivion and had a far more sinsible levelling system.

Graphics: Ok. They were pretty good, but no more so than should be expected. In fact Morrowind, as I recall, looked better for its time than oblivion. And Fallout 3, which is admittedly a few years younger, makes Oblivion look positively ugly.

Story: What a load of crap. While there was lots of exploring to do the central storyline was impossibly bad. The fact that the developers added all those fucking oblivion gates to artifically extend the play time was nothing short of false advertising and soon turned Oblivion into one of the most boring RPGs I have ever played.

So I really fail to see why Oblivion is a banging game. Every installement of the Elder Scroll's series was and remains a more enjoyable game. Seriously, get Dosbox and play Arena, if you think that Oblivion was a banging game Arena will blow your mind. And that game came out in 1994.

You, obviously haven't joined the Dark Brotherhood yet.

Oblivion was one of the greatest games ever constructed.

Fallout 3 was ass, and it looked like ass too.

Fallout 3 had the shittiest, ugliest, piece of crap environments ever.

[Kuppo Shakur]

You, obviously haven't joined the Dark Brotherhood yet.

Oblivion was one of the greatest games ever constructed.

Fallout 3 was ass, and it looked like ass too.

Fallout 3 had the shittiest, ugliest, piece of crap environments ever.
dude...

WHAT THE FUCK

[synthesis]

When Skyrim comes out, I will do a careful internet search to find out whether or not it has a quest arrow, and that is it.
If it does, I will never think about it again.
If it does not, I will buy it instantly.

All these types of games are going to have that shit from now on. There's way more money to be made in pandering to "casual players" - people who don't want to spend three hours looking for the right door or whatever - than in pandering to "gamers" - people who do. That's cool with me - I like that the newer Rockstar games have the GPS and the "restart from checkpoint" shit.

I mean, it's not that big of a deal, is it? With New Vegas, you could just put the active mission as one without an arrow and just work from there.

[Blackscare]

You, obviously haven't joined the Dark Brotherhood yet.

Oblivion was one of the greatest games ever constructed.

Fallout 3 was ass, and it looked like ass too.

Fallout 3 had the shittiest, ugliest, piece of crap environments ever.

FUCK YOU DICKHEAD. I don't like the fact that Bethesda took over for Black Isle BUT THE FALLOUT WORLD/ENVIRONMENT IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE SHIT. Clearly you have never played the original Fallout games BECAUSE YOU ARE A FUCKIGN NOOBY CANKER SORE OF A HUMAN BEING. FUCK YOU. That is my childhood you are fucking with right there, fuck you.


ANYWAY, seems that the dragons are totally unscripted (hell yea) but they're going to be using the leveling system of FO3, which is terrible. Also they got rid of some skills, presumably to be replaced by others (judging by the dual wielding).

What makes me nervous is this talk of "not having to select a characters/etc, and just playing the way you want to play". I hated how the specialization and general RPG features of Morrowind were dumbed down. In Oblivion you could basically do whatever you wanted, and that sucked. You're not supposed to be able to do that. You should have to, I don't know, develop your fucking character a little bit and specialize. I fear that it's going to be like Oblivion's magic but worse (as in, if you did magic you could basically do anything from any role, probably better than if you had specialized). If they make the character progression/rpg elements too open it's going to further break the game. I don't like feeling like superman while playing a game, that's why I liked Morrowind. You could be running along, not a care in the world, then WHAM, a fucking level 60 shemp comes out and pwns the fuck out of you. That added something.




Also, fuck you rafiq. You are now on my shit list.

[Kuppo Shakur]

All these types of games are going to have that shit from now on. There's way more money to be made in pandering to "casual players" - people who don't want to spend three hours looking for the right door or whatever - than in pandering to "gamers" - people who do. That's cool with me - I like that the newer Rockstar games have the GPS and the "restart from checkpoint" shit.

I mean, it's not that big of a deal, is it? With New Vegas, you could just put the active mission as one without an arrow and just work from there.
Nonononononono. NO.

It's not a question of "hardcore" or some dumb shit like that. It's about the actual form of the quests.

FUCKIN EXAMPLE:
(With Quest Arrow)
QuestGiver: O hai, find this person and kill them, I won't tell you where they are or anything, but do it.
You: Ok, don't worry about not telling me where they are, because I already know there exact location and current velocity for some reason.
QuestGiver: O good, cuz if you didn't know that, you may have to, like, explore this world or some shit, laaame.

So you see, you can't even solve these quest arrow quests without the quest arrow, because they require them.

OH AND CALL ME A GAMER ONE MORE TIME MOTHERFUCKER. I AM A NERD AND I AM FUUULLL OF RAAAGGGEEE.

[Tablo]

Nonononononono. NO.

It's not a question of "hardcore" or some dumb shit like that. It's about the actual form of the quests.

FUCKIN EXAMPLE:
(With Quest Arrow)
QuestGiver: O hai, find this person and kill them, I won't tell you where they are or anything, but do it.
You: Ok, don't worry about not telling me where they are, because I already know there exact location and current velocity for some reason.
QuestGiver: O good, cuz if you didn't know that, you may have to, like, explore this world or some shit, laaame.

So you see, you can't even solve these quest arrow quests without the quest arrow, because they require them.

OH AND CALL ME A GAMER ONE MORE TIME MOTHERFUCKER. I AM A NERD AND I AM FUUULLL OF RAAAGGGEEE.
soooooooooo true

[Wanted Man]

I always thought that was kind of the charm of Morrowind: "You have to kill some fucker in his yurt on the windswept Azura's Coast. It's approximately south-east of <city>, so go there and ask for any rumours about his location."

And then you just have to travel from A to B. The place may or may not be reachable by transport, and probably only from a few other towns. If it isn't, then that's tough titties and you'll just have to walk and find your way. No arrow and no fucking instant travel (except for the Interventions, which don't let you go wherever you want, and Mark/Recall, which only allows you to mark one place at a time).

It doesn't so much have to do with "casual vs hardcore" as it does with whether you want to play a role playing game or a kind of interactive fantasy film. In the former, it makes sense that quick travel is crippled by the aforementioned restrictions. You're not just teleporting from one place to another, but you're actually taking the boat somewhere. The latter variety is just as much fun.

[bcbm]

it was charming until you spent three hours trying to find some stupid asshole in a stupid cave in the middle of nowhere

[Tablo]

it was charming until you spent three hours trying to find some stupid asshole in a stupid cave in the middle of nowhere
I don't think so, cause during those three hours you have discovered new locations and gathered a better knowledge of the landscape.

Morrowind pretty much killed my social life while I was playing it. xP

[Rafiq]

FUCK YOU DICKHEAD. I don't like the fact that Bethesda took over for Black Isle BUT THE FALLOUT WORLD/ENVIRONMENT IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE SHIT. Clearly you have never played the original Fallout games BECAUSE YOU ARE A FUCKIGN NOOBY CANKER SORE OF A HUMAN BEING. FUCK YOU. That is my childhood you are fucking with right there, fuck you.


ANYWAY, seems that the dragons are totally unscripted (hell yea) but they're going to be using the leveling system of FO3, which is terrible. Also they got rid of some skills, presumably to be replaced by others (judging by the dual wielding).

What makes me nervous is this talk of "not having to select a characters/etc, and just playing the way you want to play". I hated how the specialization and general RPG features of Morrowind were dumbed down. In Oblivion you could basically do whatever you wanted, and that sucked. You're not supposed to be able to do that. You should have to, I don't know, develop your fucking character a little bit and specialize. I fear that it's going to be like Oblivion's magic but worse (as in, if you did magic you could basically do anything from any role, probably better than if you had specialized). If they make the character progression/rpg elements too open it's going to further break the game. I don't like feeling like superman while playing a game, that's why I liked Morrowind. You could be running along, not a care in the world, then WHAM, a fucking level 60 shemp comes out and pwns the fuck out of you. That added something.




Also, fuck you rafiq. You are now on my shit list.



No, fuck you.

Fallout 3's environment was repetitive, shitty, and frustrating to travel. All the towns sucked, and it got boring as hell.

Yeah, the gameplay was fucking awesome, like weapons, monsters and VATS but the city was asssssssss.

New Vegas, on the otherjand, had both a fucking epic gameplay system AND kickass environment.

Never played the old versions, but we.

But one question: Umad?

[Manic Impressive]

I agree with Rafiq FO3 didn't look good I got so bored I couldn't be bothered to finish it.

[Tablo]

FO3 did have terrible looking environments, but that is kind of the point. I don't expect a post-apocalyptic wastelend to be pleasing to the eyes. I didn't like the game nearly as much as FO and FO2.

[Bright Banana Beard]

i found it stupid that they dont want to make the place look nice as in BoS bunker.

Viva la Republica Populares de California, loco!

[CleverTitle]

So I've been hopping around the Fallout series recently, and it immediately becomes obvious how damn terrible 3 is compared to the rest. Christ they fucked that up.

At any rate, I have high hopes for Skyrim. It's nice that they've finally moved on from their previous horrible engine. I can only hope they don't completely mess this up.

[Tablo]

So I've been hopping around the Fallout series recently, and it immediately becomes obvious how damn terrible 3 is compared to the rest. Christ they fucked that up.

At any rate, I have high hopes for Skyrim. It's nice that they've finally moved on from their previous horrible engine. I can only hope they don't completely mess this up.
Indeed. I really hated a lot of their last engine. While there are things I like about it, it overall was what I would consider a failure and I can't believe it was used for three whole fucking games.

[Rusty Shackleford]

FO3 was great imo. it was my first experience with an actual post apocalyptic console game. (nothing will compare to the STALKER series though...EVER!!! when it comes to apocalyptia) But Fallout New Vegas kicked the living shit out of FO3. FO3s sorry ass carcass was used as a fucking punching bag in that game.

But, Kuppo and others in here were totally correct about Morrowind.

Charm. That game had it for sure. It felt like a real world. It was difficult. It was something you actually though about seriously. not "how can i pwn that guy" but "how do i get to this place? i know theres a ridge near by and its a ways from (name some nomad camp in bum fuck nowhere) and its on the east side. you had to THINK and actually look at the map the game came with. like seriously. i studied that and i felt like i was actually figuring my way around.

But, Oblivion was still a good game. Obviously it didnt have that one aspect (which i do actually miss, and im going to get Morrowind now and maybe get a few overhaul mods to give it a fresh feel) and play that shit till november. Oblivion had its own charm. Epicness. actuall come to think of it, im nostalgiaing pretty hard right now. Oblivion was a step down, for sure. great graphics, but... yeah...


i just hope that there is a hardcore mode in Skyrim. and that it doesnt allow you to use that one spell which draws a line for you to get somewhere. i want ti to be hard. not physically, but mentally. i want some imagination!


(ive been drinking, yes)


EDIT: so, looking for some mods, i found this texture one. this one is a def.

http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/fms/images/mods/2915/1134437761_fullres.jpg

[Honggweilo]

im suprised no one posted this yet

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[Ele'ill]

I thought that the whole fallout series sucked. It wasn't fun at all.

[Rafiq]

New Vegas was fun, but not as fun as the TES.

[agnixie]

it was charming until you spent three hours trying to find some stupid asshole in a stupid cave in the middle of nowhere

Except a god deal of the storylines can't be fast-travelled either ;) - The most out of the way Daedra shrines inspired a lot of "how did the fuckers get there", the dark brotherhood (it should so have been expanded) had some of its victims in the middle of nowhere, and most of Shivering Isles can't be fast travelled until about halfway through - that said I still feel like I want more SI, less Oblivion.

[bcbm]

shivering isles was (intentionally i think) more like morrowind with the weirder setting and all that. definitely was a fun expansion. i mean i think morrowind was a better game too and spent waaaaay more time with it than with oblivion (might install it again with all this talking about it..) but oblivion wasn't that bad. i think mw had a lot more to do, it was easier to just get lost in and completely ignore the main quest or whatever. stealing was harder when nobody went to bed though

[Bright Banana Beard]

HAHA NERDS!

Fallout New Vegas is nice, but they need to fix many error and glitches.

[bcbm]

new vegas was too much like fo3 so i didn't really spend as much time with it exploring and what not

[Rafiq]

Anyone here heard of morroblivion?

[Rusty Shackleford]

Anyone here heard of morroblivion?
is it a mod for oblivion or morrowind?

[agnixie]

is it a mod for oblivion or morrowind?

IIRC It's Morrowind. I'd love if there was an Oblivion mod that basically runs Morrowind on the Oblivion engine.

[Tablo]

FO3 was great imo. it was my first experience with an actual post apocalyptic console game. (nothing will compare to the STALKER series though...EVER!!! when it comes to apocalyptia) But Fallout New Vegas kicked the living shit out of FO3. FO3s sorry ass carcass was used as a fucking punching bag in that game.

But, Kuppo and others in here were totally correct about Morrowind.

Charm. That game had it for sure. It felt like a real world. It was difficult. It was something you actually though about seriously. not "how can i pwn that guy" but "how do i get to this place? i know theres a ridge near by and its a ways from (name some nomad camp in bum fuck nowhere) and its on the east side. you had to THINK and actually look at the map the game came with. like seriously. i studied that and i felt like i was actually figuring my way around.

But, Oblivion was still a good game. Obviously it didnt have that one aspect (which i do actually miss, and im going to get Morrowind now and maybe get a few overhaul mods to give it a fresh feel) and play that shit till november. Oblivion had its own charm. Epicness. actuall come to think of it, im nostalgiaing pretty hard right now. Oblivion was a step down, for sure. great graphics, but... yeah...


i just hope that there is a hardcore mode in Skyrim. and that it doesnt allow you to use that one spell which draws a line for you to get somewhere. i want ti to be hard. not physically, but mentally. i want some imagination!


(ive been drinking, yes)


EDIT: so, looking for some mods, i found this texture one. this one is a def.

http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/fms/images/mods/2915/1134437761_fullres.jpg
Definitely get the graphics extender and stuff so you can have real good view distances. The Unofficial Patch would also be a good idea too.


Anyone here heard of morroblivion?
THANK YOU!! I have never heard of this and now I'm pumped to play an updated Morrowind! :drool:

[Das war einmal]

Couldn't really be arsed with Morrowind, but I got it in like 2006 and I thought it didnt really look that awesome anymore. Fallout 3 is one of the best games I ever played and I tried Oblivion next but that was boring crap. Busy with Fallout New Vegas now but I gave it a rest.

[Rafiq]

Shut the Fuck up everyone of you. Morroblivion is where they take all of Morrowind and put it into oblivion, so your oblivion character could explore ALL of morrowind and do ALL of the Morrowind quests with ALL The morrowind items.

Look it up..... This is NOT a mod for morrwind.

[Kuppo Shakur]

it was charming until you spent three hours trying to find some stupid asshole in a stupid cave in the middle of nowhere
Yeah cuz leik fast-travelling is sooooooo fun.

[Rafiq]

Kuppo, if you don't want to use that feature than don't... but don't ruin it for everyone.

[bcbm]

Yeah cuz leik fast-travelling is sooooooo fun.

sometimes i only have like 30 min to play before i goto work and i'd prefer to spend it doing the quest instead of jogging around in circles trying to find a door in the middle of a lava field

and you have to find the location to fast travel to it anyway in oblivion so...

[Tablo]

I don't have an issue with a fast-travel kind of system when it makes sense. Oblivion I did not like the fast-travel at all. In Morrowind it was just fast-travel between cities and it cost money. It made sense to me and kept the immersion at a high. I think I read Skyrim is introducing a kind of system like this coupled with Oblivion style fast-travel.

[Wanted Man]

One thing that I always found interesting about Oblivion is that, at least from what I can remember, all the things that we laugh about now were heavily hyped. The gaming press felt that the levelled enemies, the persuasion system, fast travel and the arrow were all brilliant features. The backlash only came later on.

[Rusty Shackleford]

One thing that I always found interesting about Oblivion is that, at least from what I can remember, all the things that we laugh about now were heavily hyped. The gaming press felt that the levelled enemies, the persuasion system, fast travel and the arrow were all brilliant features. The backlash only came later on.
whats funny is i never got caught up in the hype for TES IV or III. i actually first even touched the game probably a year before TES IV was announced and i didnt want to touch it with a 10 foot pole. a year later i decided to give it a shot because i had no other games. i wasnt aware of a new one coming out and i only just heard of the 360.

i got into it. WAY INTO IT.

then i played oblivion at my friends house and was like oh shit. it was definitely different feeling. i dont remember how i felt though.

same with Fable. i played it for the first time maybe a year after it came out and LOVED IT. i didnt know anything about what it was hyped up to be.

[Tablo]

One thing that I always found interesting about Oblivion is that, at least from what I can remember, all the things that we laugh about now were heavily hyped. The gaming press felt that the levelled enemies, the persuasion system, fast travel and the arrow were all brilliant features. The backlash only came later on.
Well, a lot of Morrowind fans were upset when they heard about it. I think it was mostly reviewers and people new to the series that liked the change..

[bcbm]

same with Fable. i played it for the first time maybe a year after it came out and LOVED IT. i didnt know anything about what it was hyped up to be.

probably for the best, fable games are always absurdly hyped

[Ele'ill]

I did the vampire quest. Wandering for an hour and then getting killed by a unicorn.

[Rafiq]

You know there is a waiting button, right?

[Invader Zim]

No, fuck you.

Fallout 3's environment was repetitive, shitty, and frustrating to travel. All the towns sucked, and it got boring as hell.

Yeah, the gameplay was fucking awesome, like weapons, monsters and VATS but the city was asssssssss.

New Vegas, on the otherjand, had both a fucking epic gameplay system AND kickass environment.

Never played the old versions, but we.

But one question: Umad?

You critique the look of a game based in a post-apocalyptic world (which they did stunningly well, I might add) for looking shitty?

WhKrLYhXIDg

[Manifesto]

I did the vampire quest. Wandering for an hour and then getting killed by a unicorn.
Odd considering there is only one in the game. Anyways while this thread is up might as well ask here too. There is this part in Morrowind that I cannot get passed. It's in the Bloodmoon expansion with the East Empire Company quests, the Spriggan one. I am trying to kill those four and have looked everywhere but I have only found a few. I entire turned werewolf and killed every one I found on the island! Still nothing. Any tips? Unel keeps saying the Spriggans are still out there.

Correction, I have found about 6 of them as I am doing it now but not really in the town as I am finding it to be said.

[Wanted Man]

I have seen the gameplay video. There is now an easy way to deflect any pre-emptive criticism: YOU CAN FRY FUCKING SALMON AND IT WILL BE BETTER FOR YOU THAN RAW!!! Holy shit! This is immersive fucking role-playing right here, folks.

Also, they've got dragons which are totally unique and dynamic, we have no idea what they're going to do! (Attack me, presumably?)

[Kuppo Shakur]

Kuppo, if you don't want to use that feature than don't... but don't ruin it for everyone.
No.
THATS IT I'M GOING TO SABOTAGE SKYRIM BEFORE ITS RELEASED SO NOBODY GETS TO PLAY IT

[Rusty Shackleford]

No.
THATS IT I'M GOING TO SABOTAGE SKYRIM BEFORE ITS RELEASED SO NOBODY GETS TO PLAY IT
i will personally destroy you.

[Rafiq]

You critique the look of a game based in a post-apocalyptic world (which they did stunningly well, I might add) for looking shitty?

WhKrLYhXIDg


It's just not shiny enough for me.

It's depressing and boring, and kind of drags on. Makes me hungry too, AND gives me a headache.

[bcbm]

Odd considering there is only one in the game. Anyways while this thread is up might as well ask here too. There is this part in Morrowind that I cannot get passed. It's in the Bloodmoon expansion with the East Empire Company quests, the Spriggan one. I am trying to kill those four and have looked everywhere but I have only found a few. I entire turned werewolf and killed every one I found on the island! Still nothing. Any tips? Unel keeps saying the Spriggans are still out there.

Correction, I have found about 6 of them as I am doing it now but not really in the town as I am finding it to be said.

you playin on console or pc? you might need to spawn the necessary sprigaans, its a common bug.

god i cant believe i still remember that

[Black Sheep]

YOU CAN FRY FUCKING SALMON AND IT WILL BE BETTER FOR YOU THAN RAW!!! Holy shit! This is immersive fucking role-playing right here, folks.
And it has been done before,too.
See gothic series.

[Manic Impressive]

you playin on console or pc? you might need to spawn the necessary sprigaans, its a common bug.

god i cant believe i still remember that
Morrowind is available on console? which one?

[Rusty Shackleford]

xbox afaik

[Manic Impressive]

wow never knew that I can now play Morrowind to warm me up for skyrim.

And here I was thinking you were all bourgie mutha fuckers who could afford a computer with a graphics card good enough to play action games :rolleyes:

[Invader Zim]

wow never knew that I can now play Morrowind to warm me up for skyrim.

And here I was thinking you were all bourgie mutha fuckers who could afford a computer with a graphics card good enough to play action games :rolleyes:

My machine plays Fallout 3 on high settings with no problem and my graphics card cost me a whole £25 (less than the game) on ebay and was made in 2006.

[Manic Impressive]

I was only joking mate trouble is I looked into getting a decent graphics card but then I found out I'd need to know some weird shit about what the power through put is or something idk but to buy a computer with a decent graphics card already in is like £800+

[Manifesto]

you playin on console or pc? you might need to spawn the necessary sprigaans, its a common bug.

god i cant believe i still remember that
It's on my xbox. Anything I can do?

[bcbm]

keep looking, you could be fucked

[Manifesto]

keep looking, you could be fucked
I think I might be. I'll try one more time but they're probably just not there in some glitch. Tons in that game.

[Manifesto]

This is exactly like in Jet Set Radio Future when I tried to advance in the story but because I didn't do capture Clutch at that point in the game to advance in the story he didn't appear.

[Rusty Shackleford]

man, raven rock was my favorite quest line. even though it is basically the establishment of a capitalist company town colony.

[Invader Zim]

I was only joking mate trouble is I looked into getting a decent graphics card but then I found out I'd need to know some weird shit about what the power through put is or something idk but to buy a computer with a decent graphics card already in is like £800+

What exactly is the problem? Are you worried that a new card would consume more power than your PSU can provide? If so you need a website like this:

http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

Tell us what your rig is. If you aren't sure install everest home edition:

http://majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181

If you find out what your motherboard is, and know that the card you want to buy is compatable, you should have too much of a problem.

[bcbm]

man, raven rock was my favorite quest line. even though it is basically the establishment of a capitalist company town colony.

yeah that shit was fun

[Princess Luna]

:eek: OMFG!!!1 i read article that said they are going to make it so you will be able to download player made mods on Ps3 and Xbox. If this is true it will be the most epic thing since bacon.


maybe even more epic...

[Rusty Shackleford]

:eek: OMFG!!!1 i read article that said they are going to make it so you will be able to download player made mods on Ps3 and Xbox. If this is true it will be the most epic thing since bacon.


maybe even more epic...
source source source source source source source!

[Princess Luna]

skyrim-cover.blogspot.com/2011/06/modification.html this is the only website i could find it confirmed on, all the other websites (including gamespot) just have speculation about it.

[bcbm]

if i can download mods to my xbox... fuck. this game is going to occupy a disgusting amount of my free time

[Tablo]

Holy shit. May not even bother upgrading my pc if this is true. Since Deus Ex won't be supporting mods I'm seeing less and less reason to throw another $450 into my pc for just another few years. If the mod compatibility is limited then fuck it. I honestly don't see there being decent compatibility for mods between the console and pc. If there is serious mod compatibility I might be on the verge of saying goodbye to my years of hardcore pc gaming. As much as I prefer the pc, it is expensive as fucking hell to keep up with the shit being released.

[bcbm]

yeah pc gaming is expensive as shit, mods are really the only thing i miss being a console gamer. i forgot about the new deus ex is that looking awesome?

[Tablo]

yeah pc gaming is expensive as shit, mods are really the only thing i miss being a console gamer. i forgot about the new deus ex is that looking awesome?
I know. I just started moving more into playing ps3 games. Only advantage of the pc is piracy and mods.. The new Deus Ex looks great. Much better than the second one.

[bcbm]

i actually liked the second one :blushing: so the third being even better sounds awesome!

[Tablo]

I liked the second one too. Only thing I really disliked was how the ammunition worked. The trailers for the new Deus Ex look awesome.

[Kuppo Shakur]

:eek: OMFG!!!1 i read article that said they are going to make it so you will be able to download player made mods on Ps3 and Xbox. If this is true it will be the most epic thing since bacon.


maybe even more epic...
Epic?
Only if someone makes a nekkid people mod.

[Red Commissar]

For those of you who care, they had a 30+ minute demo of the game at quakecon. This footage was naturally leaked out into the internets. It gets uploaded to youtube and other places, but there's a risk they'll get taken down quickly so have this download instead.

http://www.mediafire.com/?sjcnjlb2cw14erb

Use a program like VLC to launch the file. There's a problem with the file at one point in the footage but you can skip over it with no problem.

[Rusty Shackleford]

gonna check it out. im esciteed

[Il Medico]

Man I only recently got Oblivion (on the urging of my friend who insisted I had to play oblivion or morrowind to get properly introduced to the Elder Scrolls before Skyrim came out) and I fucking love the game. There is a lot of stuff i don't get how to do (magic wise anyways) but still hugely fun. Only disappointment I had was my Viking couldn't have a beard. Apparently there will be over 50 different beards in skyrim, I'm a happy man.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Man I only recently got Oblivion (on the urging of my friend who insisted I had to play oblivion or morrowind to get properly introduced to the Elder Scrolls before Skyrim came out) and I fucking love the game. There is a lot of stuff i don't get how to do (magic wise anyways) but still hugely fun. Only disappointment I had was my Viking couldn't have a beard. Apparently there will be over 50 different beards in skyrim, I'm a happy man.
i generally find magic to be boring but one tip:


Max out your heavy armor then use sigil stones to modify your armor pieces to carry 10 more weight a piece.



EXCELLENCE

[Rss]

They'll never top Morrowind.

This so much. I started to hate Bethsoft after Oblivion, which was garbage with stupid, cheap and LCD writing, mostly bad and repetitive quests and clunky and technically outdated engine. Then became Fallout 3. Oh boy. That sucked. [Intelligence] So you fight the good fight with your words? Writers had no clue there.

Fallout: New Vegas was vastly better, even if it had some severe flaws. It was Fallout game. Can't say that about FO3.

Can't really say that I'm interested about Skyrim. At all. I do have a raging erection for Deus Ex: Human Revolution though.

[Ele'ill]

Oh jeeze, Skyrim (PC) cancelled.


http://pc.ign.com/news/objects/040.html






















Oh yeah I'm just joking around about that.

[Rafiq]

Just beat oblivion again yesterday, only that time I was a vampire :D

Now I am continueing to try to beat morrowind.

[Rafiq]

Man I only recently got Oblivion (on the urging of my friend who insisted I had to play oblivion or morrowind to get properly introduced to the Elder Scrolls before Skyrim came out) and I fucking love the game. There is a lot of stuff i don't get how to do (magic wise anyways) but still hugely fun. Only disappointment I had was my Viking couldn't have a beard. Apparently there will be over 50 different beards in skyrim, I'm a happy man.

vikings suck :thumbsdown:

Be like a super cool vampire.

And just some advise: Kill people, go to sleep after, and then the dark brotherhood will recruit ya. They are AWESOME.

Also, Magic is easy to grasp. Click 'B' then click "RT' til u get to magic

[Manifesto]

Dammit, no speed or acrobatics skill? I always got that shit to 100 fast because I needed it to not be a slow bastard since I always wear heavy armour.

[Il Medico]

vikings suck :thumbsdown: When i said viking I meant my guy is a nord. And if he is a viking he is a terrible viking as he has ended up a super sneaky ninja type dude who usually wields a katana and will only occasionally bash someone in the face with an axe.


Be like a super cool vampire.
I have a save file where my guy is a vamp. Decided against it though as I don't care for losing most of my bad ass powers every time I gotta go to market. (or sunlight in general)


And just some advise: Kill people, go to sleep after, and then the dark brotherhood will recruit ya. They are AWESOME.
Yeah, I know, I'm already a silencer. :lol:


Also, Magic is easy to grasp. Click 'B' then click "RT' til u get to magic
I got it for the ps3, and i know how to use magic. I don't know how to enchant stuff, use soul stones, or understand quite how to gain more actual magicka (I have a pitifully low amount that keeps me with very few usable spells.) It kinda sucks because one of my major traits or abilities or what not is Destruction and I only have like 28 destruction because the only destruction spell I know and have enough magicka to cast is flare, which is useless.

[Rafiq]

When i said viking I meant my guy is a nord. And if he is a viking he is a terrible viking as he has ended up a super sneaky ninja type dude who usually wields a katana and will only occasionally bash someone in the face with an axe.

:thumbup: now that's how you play oblivion!


I have a save file where my guy is a vamp. Decided against it though as I don't care for losing most of my bad ass powers every time I gotta go to market. (or sunlight in general)

Meh, it does get annoying... But if you want, you can go to cloud ruler temple at night and feed on one person every three days and you can be in sunlight all you want.


Yeah, I know, I'm already a silencer. :lol:

OOh... Keep playing it, there's intense things to come in those quests.


I got it for the ps3, and i know how to use magic. I don't know how to enchant stuff, use soul stones, or understand quite how to gain more actual magicka (I have a pitifully low amount that keeps me with very few usable spells.) It kinda sucks because one of my major traits or abilities or what not is Destruction and I only have like 28 destruction because the only destruction spell I know and have enough magicka to cast is flare, which is useless.


To enchant things, you know those sigil stones from oblivion gates? Click on them and choose what you want to enchat, then name it (I have an axe that does ice damage and I named it "Icepick that killed Trotsky")

Or, if you're high up in the mages guild, you can go to an enchantment place and make your own enchantments. Soul Gems need souls, once you have those, you can use them to recharge your weapons .

[Rusty Shackleford]

So that video the guy went though all the trouble to bootleg was just a rehash of the E3 video. it showed a bit more combat and stuff though.

[Wanted Man]

Funny audience in the video. They were all like "KILL THEM!!" and "RAPE HER!!!" constantly. WTF?

[Rusty Shackleford]

Funny audience in the video. They were all like "KILL THEM!!" and "RAPE HER!!!" constantly. WTF?
WATER!!!

WHERES THE HORSE ARMOR!!!!


but yeah, im just glad theres no rape in the game. i dont know if i could play it with something so vile in it. and its at a game convention. and gamers tend to not see rape a s a serious subject. at least main stream a-political gamers.

[Invader Zim]

Man I only recently got Oblivion (on the urging of my friend who insisted I had to play oblivion or morrowind to get properly introduced to the Elder Scrolls before Skyrim came out) and I fucking love the game. There is a lot of stuff i don't get how to do (magic wise anyways) but still hugely fun. Only disappointment I had was my Viking couldn't have a beard. Apparently there will be over 50 different beards in skyrim, I'm a happy man.

You need to get Morrowind, if you loved Oblivion it will blow your mind.

[#FF0000]

yeah skyrim is going to be bad, man.

[Manifesto]

^^^ No it won't. I have no doubt that it will be better than Oblivion, Morrowind....that was close to perfect.

Dammit, no speed or acrobatics skill? I always got that shit to 100 fast because I needed it to not be a slow bastard since I always wear heavy armour.
Yeah just found out that you can sprint but it drains your fatigue, going to be a lot of fun running into anybody using hand-to-hand.

[Honggweilo]

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/262412_2323701653214_1269808299_32844625_4915518_n .jpg

[Honggweilo]

anyway it think i will customize my class like this;

Major skills:

Acrobatics/Athletics (since they will be merged)
Marksmanship (love archery)
Sneak (awesome stealth, plus sneak attack 3x critical bonus at journeyman, and disregards armor at master)
Security (fuck private property)
Alchemy (stat boost, arrow poisoning)
Hand to Hand (knocking motherfuckers out when they get close, drain fatigue, then run again to arrowspam)

this way i can just focus on speed, agility and luck (main attributes). maybe some intelligence for minor spells/alchemy, and a little bit of strength for carrying/hand to hand. But carrying weigth is overrated, so ill just make a shitload of feather potions. I want to use Hand to Hand for knocking out mainly.

i will put light armor in minor because i dont plan to get hit that much, so i wont level that quick when i put it major.

Will probably play as Khajiit again, love the Nighteye and eye of fear, plus the agility bonus. And i guess i will take the equivillent of the Shadow birthsign (i dont know how it will work with those stones in Skyrim though). ill start of with the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild missions, because they give you the best agillity and speed bonuses and gear.

[Smyg]

I'd rather have Morrowind 2 rather than Skyrim, but eh. :D

[Honggweilo]

I'd rather have Morrowind 2 rather than Skyrim, but eh. :D

Not going to happen. There might be a remake daggerfall ( i hope ). The next TES should be fucking Elsewyr or about the Avakiri/Dwemer.

[Smyg]

I meant more in style than in location, but eh. I'd prefer Black Marsh as for setting.

[bcbm]

elsweyr or black marsh would be cool. there's a mod for oblivion in the works that takes place in elsweyr, i played it once pretty cool stuff. might d/l it again actually... playing morroblivion now its pretty fun. joined the imperial legion and then the thieves guild in cyrodil and have a nice smuggling operation going...

[Honggweilo]

elsweyr or black marsh would be cool. there's a mod for oblivion in the works that takes place in elsweyr, i played it once pretty cool stuff. might d/l it again actually... playing morroblivion now its pretty fun. joined the imperial legion and then the thieves guild in cyrodil and have a nice smuggling operation going...

awesome, must look into that, so i can feed my furry fetish :rolleyes:

[bcbm]

several new catman species for your pleasure, plus an elephant to ride or something. and sweet desert adventure

[Princess Luna]

Skyrim is so awesome it caused a woman to go into labor
http://gamepolitics.com/2011/08/09/dragons-quakecon-and-motherhood

[Honggweilo]

several new catman species for your pleasure, plus an elephant to ride or something. and sweet desert adventure

haha looked at the screenshots, they even have Ohmes-rath khajiit/human halfbreeds like in daggerfall, awesome XD

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSx-vayLr9nAMSl6SElOjAhlCTy_HqXJCh1pmZHZPCxi9giT_RC

[Obs]

haha looked at the screenshots, they even have Ohmes-rath khajiit/human halfbreeds like in daggerfall, awesome XD

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSx-vayLr9nAMSl6SElOjAhlCTy_HqXJCh1pmZHZPCxi9giT_RC

awh nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Rusty Shackleford]

haha looked at the screenshots, they even have Ohmes-rath khajiit/human halfbreeds like in daggerfall, awesome XD

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSx-vayLr9nAMSl6SElOjAhlCTy_HqXJCh1pmZHZPCxi9giT_RC

link to real image? i cant imagine they would fuck up on something so obvious.

[Honggweilo]

link to real image? i cant imagine they would fuck up on something so obvious.

dude its a mod, and having been a skinner/3d modeller in the cnc modding community myself, these errors are mostly a result of having to work with the restricted scripting of the game itself.

[Rusty Shackleford]

dude its a mod, and having been a skinner/3d modeller in the cnc modding community myself, these errors are mostly a result of having to work with the restricted scripting of the game itself.
totally mist that.

as for texture mapping, i only did a little bit of it, nothing elaborate though. its mind bogglingly difficult looking.

[Rafiq]

Not going to happen. There might be a remake daggerfall ( i hope ). The next TES should be fucking Elsewyr or about the Avakiri/Dwemer.

Skyrim is about the Avakiri.

In the game you are the last dragonborn, and the blades serve the dragonborns (who automatically get the thrown to the empire) so you may become emporer.

[Rafiq]

Can someone show me how to download morroblivion?

[bcbm]

there's a guide on the website i think?

[Rusty Shackleford]

looks like skyrim is going to have extensive crafting. making and reinforcing weapons and armor. special foods. hide skinning logging and all that.

im guessing it will be like in New Vegas. which wasnt that bad. though some of it was useless. Doctors Bags for hardcore mode were a must to make though.

[Manifesto]

Ok is the mods thing for 360 a sure thing?

[Rusty Shackleford]

dont know yet.

[Tablo]

Ok is the mods thing for 360 a sure thing?

It's a possibility if Sony and Microsoft are down with it. I don't think it will happen.

[Manifesto]

Then that changes things. On one hand I hate PC games and play my 360 a hell of a lot more but on the other hand Elder Scrolls games are pretty damn buggy (mostly Morrowind) but even Oblivion I can't keep doing quests for that dark elf witch in SI because she won't leave the house plus on PC the mods are great. idk which.

[Red Commissar]

It's highly doubtful mods will be allowed on the console. Sony and Microsoft haven't shown indications of allowing it in other games- at least to the scale that we saw in the Morrowind and Oblivion modding scene.

Then again it might take a while for the modding scene to "kick off" so to speak, so if one really wanted to play it they could get it on the console first, and later when it comes down in price get it on PC (or through other methods, *cough* torrent *cough*) and jump into all the mods that will be made then.

The game is going to be demoed today at the PAX (Penny Arcade Expo), so we'll be getting some information from that. One odd thing I learned recently in the past week is that they'll be giving the feature for players to "marry" an NPC (lolwut)- regardless of gender or race too. One of the Beth guys has confirmed that it'll allow same-sex marriage too, stating in two tweets "Not hush hush, just not making a huge deal out of it. You can marry anyone." and "... not any NPC, [I] just mean any male or female. Doesn't matter what you're playing"

Gee, I can see the conservatives going nuts about that, considering this'll be no doubt a big seller on the consoles.

[Princess Luna]

:thumbup:Gay marriage is going to be in Skyrim!!! :thumbup:

http://gamepolitics.com/2011/08/25/gay-marriage-gets-thumbs-skyrim

[Red Commissar]

Yes, that's what I mentioned in my last post. "Marriage" is possible with any NPC in the game given that it's either "male" or "female".

[Princess Luna]

oh sorry, i skimmed over your post and didn't see it :blushing:

[Red Commissar]

oh sorry, i skimmed over your post and didn't see it :blushing:

It's no big deal. I think it's a good thing anyways to leave these options open to the player in what way they want to play.

Of course the "gay agenda" folk will be out in storm over this.

[Rafiq]

I think I just might marry Maiq the liar

[No_Leaders]

Woot i got skyrim pre-ordered! I'm super stoked, i swear this game will consume my life. When i played oblivion i lost my job and girlfriend. (the job was kinda getting rid of me cause i had school and couldn't work their hours they wanted me to). Then the girlfriend got mad because i was busy being a vampire trying to find my way to becoming normal again. Let's hope this doesn't happen with skyrim! ;)

[Invader Zim]

Holy shit. May not even bother upgrading my pc if this is true. Since Deus Ex won't be supporting mods I'm seeing less and less reason to throw another $450 into my pc for just another few years. If the mod compatibility is limited then fuck it. I honestly don't see there being decent compatibility for mods between the console and pc. If there is serious mod compatibility I might be on the verge of saying goodbye to my years of hardcore pc gaming. As much as I prefer the pc, it is expensive as fucking hell to keep up with the shit being released.

Well, you don't have to keep up with what is being released. You can stay a few years behind, and spend relatively small sums and still be able to play most, if not all, new games.

I, for example, need to upgrade the amount of RAM I have, this will cost me no more than £15, and I'll be able to play skyrim on my piece of shit ragtag rig.

[Rusty Shackleford]

So, it turns out, there will NOT be bananas in Skyrim. fucking terrible.

[Rafiq]

Hope its not too realistic